Woodsons accuracy

[turkeytalker]

Ive listened all year to people talk about his int.-comp. record and could only explain it by him missing by yards anyone including Dbs.But todays performance explained it all,did he throw one pass across the line of scrimmage?Of course i know he did,but very few that he connected on.

His long ball is horribly inaccurate and a few of his passes cost UK the game today.If your gonna be a pocket passer you have to be accurate,his lack of will definately hurt him in the NFL draft and i'm pretty sure he will be ranked under Brohm after today in the Heisman.

[KYHUNTER14]

Woodson is overrated. He is a good quarterback, but not great. He shouldn't and won't win the Heisman. I don't think Brohm can win either, a quarterbacks most important stats are W's and Brohm doesnt have enough of those this year.

Alot of Woodson's success comes from the system he is in IMHO. Like I said, he is good, but not great.

[KYhunter79]

I agree wholeheartedly, 14.

[turkeytalker]

Yeah im sure the Ky boys wont win the Heismann,and that leaves only one person.And yes i said one.Tebow, noone is even close to this guy and usually i only want to see a senior win,but this guy is an offensive A-bomb.


My top five 1.TEBOW, 2.BROHM, 3.HART, 4.WOODSON, 5.LYONS Jr.:D

[KYhunter79]

I really like Locke. That kid is going to be awesome.

[Multidigits]

LOL.....losers talking smack about BS.......read this article and note the number of times Brohm is mentioned as a #2

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=291394

[KYHUNTER14]

Nice article. He has woodson at 1 and tebow at 2. he says that one will take a hit this week (talking about todays game). Looking at it now I dont think today hurt Woodson that much, but definitely helped Tebow.

[KYHUNTER14]

LOL.....losers talking smack about BS.......read this article and note the number of times Brohm is mentioned as a #2

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=291394

Not really sure what you mean by "losers talking smack about BS". You mean the people talking on this thread or the people talking about the Heisman race?

[turkeytalker]

LOL.....losers talking smack about BS.......read this article and note the number of times Brohm is mentioned as a #2




Hey multi,lets see your personal top five.:rolleyes:

[Multidigits]

Hey multi,lets see your personal top five.:rolleyes:


Brohm IS NOT in the race. Period. Sorry about your luck.

[turkeytalker]

Brohm IS NOT in the race. Period. Sorry about your luck.

You dont have to be sorry.I understand you are a follower.Hey why dont you go copy paste espn's new poll?It has woodson actually gaining over tebow.Maybe you can fool us losers with your not so critical thinking.

[mwezell]

Woodson went 35 of 50 for 415 yards, 5 touchdowns, no interceptions, a qb rating of 128.3 against the defending national champion Florida Gators!
Yep,I guess he's over rated.

[Art]

Tebow is a better QB than Woodson IMO simply because he can hurt you in more ways then just throwing the ball, Woodson lives and dies by the O-line.. I said that before the game and I still say it. The whole Woodson-Heisman thing is fantasy land BS IMO.:)

I didn't get to watch the second half because I was in a wedding, but Woodson was not on at all in the first half and it brought the whole team down.

[MsgMills]

I thought it was a great game and the NFL scouts are going to be taking a great look at Woodson. But as far as being a better QB, Tebow maybe has a better chance of winning the Heisman. But if you actually look at just QB numbers for Passing and Interception...Woodson would be my pick for a QB on a team that has the experience to protect it's QB.

Tebow has to do the running game he does because he doesn't have a nice OLINE like UK has. Give Tebow an Oline like Woodson has and he would be hands down the Heisman winner for sure.

Time will tell and if Woodson continues to perform like he has so far, he just might win the Heisman. D. McFadden will have to slow down a little as well.

Brohm might be around the 5 or 6 position for the Heisman, he can't pull out the big game and he's thrown too many interceptions when his team really needs him to step up and be a leader to win a game......

[Art]

I just like a QB to be tough. Tebow is strong as an ox and he will flat out run you over if he needs to move the ball and has no option to pass. (They actually had to make the guy quit lifting because he was getting too big.) If Woodson gets pressured with nobody open, his only option is either get sacked or throw it away. You guys can say whatever you want about being a pocket passer and tell me all the great NFL QB's who are the same as Woodson, but I just don't like it. I like tough players in any sport. Players like D. Lyons Jr.

I gotta tell you, I'm not a small guy myself at 6'2" and about 205. I've been out with Woodson a few times and he makes me look like a jockey. I just wish he had the toughness to run the ball. I'm not into the NFL draft and all that, I just like a tough QB and that's why I'm not as high as everyone else is on Woodson..

[Tim T]

You guys can say whatever you want about being a pocket passer and tell me all the great NFL QB's who are the same as Woodson, but I just don't like it. I like tough players in any sport. Players like D. Lyons Jr.

I'm not into the NFL draft and all that, I just like a tough QB and that's why I'm not as high as everyone else is on Woodson..

Well, allow me to say as a U of L fan that next year you and Dicky Lyons Jr. can carry Woodson's bags at the NFL draft and maybe he will give you the hat that comissioner Goodel (sp) puts on his head.

[MsgMills]

In all honesty, I think that with Brohm coming back for his Senior year. It has hurt his standings in the NFL draft more than help it. Just checking out his status if he'd of went this year, he'd of been chosen by Atlanta for sure in round 1. But now I don't think he'll go in the Top 20, might go as the number 5 or 6 QB to be taken. Woodson will go a lot higher, like to see him wind up in Green Bay.

[Art]

Well, allow me to say as a U of L fan that next year you and Dicky Lyons Jr. can carry Woodson's bags at the NFL draft and maybe he will give you the hat that comissioner Goodel (sp) puts on his head.

I never said he won't get drafted.:rolleyes: Who even cares about that? You are forgetting that Dicky is one of the big reasons Woodson has done as well as he has. Maybe if Dicky doesn't get drafted then Woodson can hire him as a bodyguard.

[Multidigits]

Woodson got sacked several times and continued on against a very good FB team. Looked like he's considered one of the best in the game today by most experts.....else he wouldn't be drafted. Most teams don't want their QB doing stupid stuff with the ball and the rest of the season still being very important to a good finish. Ky. is having a good year......without Woodson, it would be an also ran like our little brother to the north.

[buckfever]

Ive listened all year to people talk about his int.-comp. record and could only explain it by him missing by yards anyone including Dbs.But todays performance explained it all,did he throw one pass across the line of scrimmage?Of course i know he did,but very few that he connected on.

His long ball is horribly inaccurate and a few of his passes cost UK the game today.If your gonna be a pocket passer you have to be accurate,his lack of will definately hurt him in the NFL draft and i'm pretty sure he will be ranked under Brohm after today in the Heisman.

I've gotta assume you're talking another QB named Woodson that plays for Southeastern Arizona State or some other team??? There ain't no way you're talking about the Woodson that plays QB at UK - that guy absolutely shredded Florida's defense. Hell, I thought he was twice as effective the Tebow, and I thought his accuracy on his downfield passes was astounding. IMO, the only thing that kept UF in that game was mistakes and turnovers by UK. Their defense sure as hell couldn't stop 'em, and UK must've outgained Florida by over 100 yards. I'm starting to think that UK has a lot more substance (especially offensively) than anyone gave them credit for.

I was more impressed by UK after the Florida game than I was after the LSU game (primarily b/c I think LSU was deflated a little after their game the week before against Florida). UK's offense is the real deal.

[KYHUNTER14]

I've gotta assume you're talking another QB named Woodson that plays for Southeastern Arizona State or some other team??? There ain't no way you're talking about the Woodson that plays QB at UK - that guy absolutely shredded Florida's defense. Hell, I thought he was twice as effective the Tebow, and I thought his accuracy on his downfield passes was astounding. IMO, the only thing that kept UF in that game was mistakes and turnovers by UK. Their defense sure as hell couldn't stop 'em, and UK must've outgained Florida by over 100 yards. I'm starting to think that UK has a lot more substance (especially offensively) than anyone gave them credit for.

I was more impressed by UK after the Florida game than I was after the LSU game (primarily b/c I think LSU was deflated a little after their game the week before against Florida). UK's offense is the real deal.

The thing that kept UF in the game was the fact that they scored pretty much at will.

[buckfever]

The thing that kept UF in the game was the fact that they scored pretty much at will.

UK had 512 total yards and 29 first downs. Florida had 427 yards and 21 first downs.

Florida was able to move the ball when they had to, but I thought UK pretty much dominated everything except the scoreboard. You sure you weren't watching an old UK vs. UF game on ESPN classics?

[KYHUNTER14]

I agree, UK is no longer a pushover. I just hope we can have consistently good teams to strengthen the program.

[michunter]

In my opinion I do not think Woodson is that great , sure he can throw the ball . I think he is a good QB , but he will never be great , and will get murdered in the NFL if he does not learn to scramble !! How many times have you seen this year , that UK is close to the goal , he could run it in , but he has to just stand there and wait for a open receiver . I about could not believe he ran one in during the LSU game . If he wants to be a great QB he better start running !!! But again thats my opinion !!!:D

[slickhead slayer]

Generally when people make outlandish statements, they tend to stop making them after irrefutable evidence has been made to show they were wrong. But some of you continue to show your intelligence by making incredibly innacurate and biased statements.

turkeyhunter, your comment that Brohm will now be ahead of Woodson in the heisman race could be the most laughable statement ever posted here.
For starters, before this weekend, Woodson was in everyones top 3, Brohm wasn't in most top 10's, except for ESPN which has him at 10 exactly.
UK then plays the defending national champions, and UK has over 500 yards, Woodson throws 5 TD's and no INT's.
Brohm and UL play a BAD UCONN team. He throws 2 Interceptions, and has 1 TD. He throws for less than 250 yards, and the offense only scores 10 points TOTAL.
But that somehow propels Brohm over Woodson. BWAHAHAHA Unbelievable man.

Art, you have been saying 1.Uk isn't a top 25 team 2. Woodson is not a heiman candidate 3. LSU will "kill" UK 4. Flor will "kill" UK.
I am not sure how your predictions could look any more wrong than they do, yet you keep throwing them out there. :rolleyes:


Anybody who says Woodson is overrated, and brohm isn't is just biased, has no football knowledge or probably both.
Woodson, 500 yards, 5 TD's, and no INT's against the defending national champions.
Brohm, 2 INT's, 1 TD, less than 250 yards against UCONN, and only 10 points.
Yeah Woodsons not in Brohms league.:rolleyes:

[slickhead slayer]

In my opinion I do not think Woodson is that great , sure he can throw the ball . I think he is a good QB , but he will never be great , and will get murdered in the NFL if he does not learn to scramble !! How many times have you seen this year , that UK is close to the goal , he could run it in , but he has to just stand there and wait for a open receiver . I about could not believe he ran one in during the LSU game . If he wants to be a great QB he better start running !!! But again thats my opinion !!!:D

Can you and the other guys who criticize Woodson for not scrambling name me a few good scrambling QB's in the NFL?????

And while your at it, name me the top QB's in the NFL.;)
I will give you a hint, they are named 1. Brady 2. Manning 3. Palmer 4. Romo. Not one of them runs, At ALL. You could even name the top 10, and you won't find a runner in it.
Sorry, but you guys lack football knowledge if you think scrambling is a necesary trait in the NFL. Its clearly not.

[buckfever]

Anybody who says Woodson is overrated, and brohm isn't is just biased, has no football knowledge or probably both.
Woodson, 500 yards, 5 TD's, and no INT's against the defending national champions.
Brohm, 2 INT's, 1 TD, less than 250 yards against UCONN, and only 10 points.
Yeah Woodsons not in Brohms league.:rolleyes:

I don't think Brohm's over-rated. I think he's a great QB. He didn't have a great game against a "bad"* UConn team, but you're being biased if you don't think he's having a great year or he's not a great QB. (Not sure why you needed to call UConn "bad". It's a little redundant since you've already made it clear in past posts that every team in the Big East is "bad";)).

Woodson's better than I thought he was. I think his accuracy has been as good as any QB I've seen this year. He also is having a great year. If he continues to throw the ball the way he has been throwing it and puts up similar stats, he should be a front runner at the end of the year.

From what I've seen, we've got the best two QB's in the country right here in KY.

[KYHUNTER14]

Running for a QB in the NFL is not a good thing. If a running QB equaled success in the NFL Tommie Frazier would be the best player on the planet. How many NFL teams run the option? Exactly.

I think what some people on here are trying to say is that Woodson needs to scramble more, not necessarily have designed runs. I don't think Woodson needs to be carrying the ball 20 times a game, but I do feel like he takes too many sacks and needs to be more elusive. It seems like if a lineman gets a hand on him he is done. IMHO this is Woodsons biggest weakness. He is not good at avoiding the rush.

[turkeytalker]

Generally when people make outlandish statements, they tend to stop making them after irrefutable evidence has been made to show they were wrong. But some of you continue to show your intelligence by making incredibly innacurate and biased statements.

turkeyhunter, your comment that Brohm will now be ahead of Woodson in the heisman race could be the most laughable statement ever posted here.
Unbelievable man.




Anybody who says Woodson is overrated, and brohm isn't is just biased, has no football knowledge or probably both.

Yeah Woodsons not in Brohms league.:rolleyes:


PASSING YRDS.
3. BRIAN BROHM
17.ANDRE WOODSON


PASSER RATING
6. BRIAN BROHM
16.ANDRE WOODSON

Keep drinking the koolaid Slick,just leave the adult beverages out:)

[turkeytalker]

Running for a QB in the NFL is not a good thing. If a running QB equaled success in the NFL Tommie Frazier would be the best player on the planet. How many NFL teams run the option? Exactly.

I think what some people on here are trying to say is that Woodson needs to scramble more, not necessarily have designed runs. I don't think Woodson needs to be carrying the ball 20 times a game, but I do feel like he takes too many sacks and needs to be more elusive. It seems like if a lineman gets a hand on him he is done. IMHO this is Woodsons biggest weakness. He is not good at avoiding the rush.


Add that he also has the slowest release ive ever seen from a big time Qb.

[slickhead slayer]

I don't think Brohm's over-rated. I think he's a great QB. He didn't have a great game against a "bad"* UConn team, but you're being biased if you don't think he's having a great year or he's not a great QB. (Not sure why you needed to call UConn "bad". It's a little redundant since you've already made it clear in past posts that every team in the Big East is "bad";)).

Woodson's better than I thought he was. I think his accuracy has been as good as any QB I've seen this year. He also is having a great year. If he continues to throw the ball the way he has been throwing it and puts up similar stats, he should be a front runner at the end of the year.

From what I've seen, we've got the best two QB's in the country right here in KY.

BF
I don't think Brohm is overrated at all, I have been a believer in brohm since highschool.
Like I stated in our discussions before the season, most UK fans respect Brohm. Its the UL fans that continue to say Woodson is overrated. If you go back and look at our lenghty discussions before the season, I clearly said that i believe we have the top 2 QBs in the nation. I still believe that.
UL fans are the ones who disagree with that. I haven't seen anyone on this thread say brohm was overrated, but you will find one UL fan who still says Woodson is overrated on this thread alone.
the two biggest UL fans on this board still claim he is overrated. Not sure what else he has to do against the top rated teams in the country to prove he is legit.

[slickhead slayer]

PASSING YRDS.
3. BRIAN BROHM
17.ANDRE WOODSON


PASSER RATING
6. BRIAN BROHM
16.ANDRE WOODSON

Keep drinking the koolaid Slick,just leave the adult beverages out:)

Wow, you pulled two out of 100 stats out. You also didn't mention any of the factors related to those two numbers.
1. UL has NO running game, they throw the ball ALOT more than UK. Of course they are going to have more passing yards.
2. Brohm is putting those numbers up against UConn, Utah, syracuse, NC State etc etc. Woodson and UK out of 8 games have played 4 teams that at some point were in the top 10. Thats a big difference.
3. colt brennan of hawaii has alot more yards than Brohm, does that make him better than brohm????

They are both great QBs, not sure why you fail to see that.

[mwezell]

Woodson has 3 rushing td's this year to Brohm's 1 and has rushed 35 times to Brohm's 30. Nether has positive yardage which tells me that they are not running from a designed play but for their life when they do run. Tebow is a different story. He doesnt have the arm or the mechanics of a great QB. He makes one read and takes off if his primary receiver is covered. That won't make for a good record or a long career in the NFL.

[Tim T]

the two biggest UL fans on this board still claim he is overrated. Not sure what else he has to do against the top rated teams in the country to prove he is legit.

I resent that Slick, I am the biggest UL fan on this board:) and I never said Woodson is overrated.

BTW, how come only teams in the Big East suck? Why do people continue to act like the Big East is the worst of the BCS conferences, when they are clearly better than the ACC, deeper than the Big Ten (11) and their top teams can compete with any of the top teams in the country.

Just because they don't have the "Name recognition" of other conferences, doesn't take away from how good they are in the "here and now".

By using this type of logic then the Big East is by far the best basketball conference, because they have tons of tradition and have numerous teams that have won NCAA Titles. Wow, guess that is why they play the game.

[KYhunter79]

I resent that Slick, I am the biggest UL fan on this board:) and I never said Woodson is overrated.

BTW, how come only teams in the Big East suck? Why do people continue to act like the Big East is the worst of the BCS conferences, when they are clearly better than the ACC, deeper than the Big Ten (11) and their top teams can compete with any of the top teams in the country.

Just because they don't have the "Name recognition" of other conferences, doesn't take away from how good they are in the "here and now".

By using this type of logic then the Big East is by far the best basketball conference, because they have tons of tradition and have numerous teams that have won NCAA Titles. Wow, guess that is why they play the game.

I resent that. I'm the biggest Louisville fan on the board.

Man, there is no sense arguing with them. Anyone that refers to the Big East as bad or weak is completely biased. UK fans are the only fans in the country that think that. That *bad* Uconn team is top 6 in the country in defense. Which is inflated because they haven't played the best competition. But, I would say they are honestly a top 15/20 defense.

By the way, UK has rushed for a little more than 250 yards more than UL. Thats not much of a difference.

[WBBP]

Come on 79, considering UL's weak schedule, they should have rushed for an extra thousand already. You do understand a weak schedule played by a weak team ? Right?

Back to the Cardboard Cards............the team and fans fell for the hype early in the season, now the reality has sunk in. Terrible team-weak conference.

The moral of the sotry is just because ESPN says you are good, it doesn't mean very much.

K

[KYhunter79]

The same could be said about Kalen saying you aren't, couldn't it? ;)

[Multidigits]

The same could be said about Kalen saying you aren't, couldn't it? ;)

You have a point, in fact the fan poll posted by Turkey means the same. The best indication will be those who get to vote, and they don't have Brohm in the running at this time. Won't be anyway soon either with U of L not being able to beat a quality opponent

[WBBP]

79, the won loss record and how you lost speaks volumes.

You are holding onto the "hype" way too long 79...........That makes 2 years in a row where you picked the carboard cards for the NC game........

Let it go 79, it will help you in school...........:eek:

[KYhunter79]

Where do we draw the line at who gets credibility and who doesn't?

I actually said this to a UL fan last night. You can't agree with the experts when they say something favorable to you, and then call them idiots when they say something that isn't favorable. I think the experts are more knowledgeable than most of fans. You have to take the good with the bad.

[Art]

Slick is right, I don't know much about football but I know reality.

Woodson, although a very good QB still has weaknesses that some of you danglers refuse to admit. You can make it out to be whatever you want but I agree with Michunter. Woodson is worthless if he has to scramble. I don't care about who does what in the NFL or any of that crap. There has been plenty of times that Woodson has screwed the pooch because of his inability to scramble. I'm concered about UK, not the NFL draft or what Woodsons career may or may not be after he leaves here.

If I were to pick a team, I would rather have Tebow and he's only a sophomore. Woodson has -123 yards rushing, and averages a loss of 3.5 everytime he tries. Like I said, I don't know much about football but that can't be good.

Is UK a top 25 team? I think they are but they were also a hair away from losing 3 in a row, and the 2 loses were to lower ranked teams. Who really cares about the rankings? Obviously they mean very little this year and there's lots of football left to play. UK could end up in the top 10 or fall out of the top 25 based on what happens between now and the end of the season. We don't have any guaranteed wins coming IMO.

[WBBP]

I guess it is pretty obvious to most unless you are looking through rose colored glasses all the time. I still haven't seen a cat fan on here talking about a NC game.

[KYhunter79]

A NC is a possibility. I'll say it. Somethings would have to fall into place.

[Tim T]

the team and fans fell for the hype early in the season, now the reality has sunk in. Terrible team-weak conference.

The moral of the sotry is just because ESPN says you are good, it doesn't mean very much.

K

No it only means anything if a bunch of football experts on a hunting board say it!

Yeah, don't believe the hype...Florida has two losses and LSU has already lost to UK....speaking of hype. BTW, is UK the only $EC team to beat a Big East team this season? UK 40, Big East (the worst conference) doormat 34. Doesn't help your argument much does it

LMAO, that is too funny, considering that last season UL was a bad second half, against a top 25 bowl winning opponent (on the road I might add) from playing Ohio St. for the mythical national title.

Florida owes part of their title last year to Rutgers and Judge Ito's kick:rolleyes:!

[WBBP]

Come on Tim, the selection comm was already discussing not picking UL if they finished out last year. So basically, they weren't going to the NC game last season regardless, they just didn't know it.

It is ok to dream though, plus it is not as lonely on here for 79. :D

[Tim T]

Come on Tim, the selection comm was already discussing not picking UL if they finished out last year. So basically, they weren't going to the NC game last season regardless, they just didn't know it.

It is ok to dream though, plus it is not as lonely on here for 79. :D

This isn't basketball, there is no selection committee. Of course as a UK fan with a history of losing, I wouldn't expect you to understand the bowl selection process.:D

[WBBP]

Tim, who do you think decides which teams play each other in the BCS bowls? It aint the computer that decides it...

K

[Tim T]

Tim, who do you think decides which teams play each other in the BCS bowls? It aint the computer that decides it...

K

Uh, the computers and coaches poll decide who plays in the mythical national title game, then the bowl committee picks from the rest. If you are ranked number 2 in the BCS poll at season's end, you play for the MNC period. UL was poised to be number 2 in the BCS until the loss at Rutgers.

[WBBP]

Uh, don't you rememmber the discussion around not voting UL to be No. 2 so they wouldn't be able to play in the NC game........?

The reason it was disucssed was becuase UL being in the NC game would not have been a very big draw compared to reps from the 2 major conferences with tougher schedules.

K

[WBBP]

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/09vecsey.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Organizations/U/University%20of%20Louisville&oref=slogin

[slickhead slayer]

I resent that Slick, I am the biggest UL fan on this board:) and I never said Woodson is overrated.

BTW, how come only teams in the Big East suck? Why do people continue to act like the Big East is the worst of the BCS conferences, when they are clearly better than the ACC, deeper than the Big Ten (11) and their top teams can compete with any of the top teams in the country.

Just because they don't have the "Name recognition" of other conferences, doesn't take away from how good they are in the "here and now".

By using this type of logic then the Big East is by far the best basketball conference, because they have tons of tradition and have numerous teams that have won NCAA Titles. Wow, guess that is why they play the game.

Tim I said that UCONN was bad, not the big east. And I agree with you that the big east is better than the Big ten and the ACC this year. the big ten only has 1 ranked team, thats pathethic.
with who UCONN has played, I still think they are a bad team.

[slickhead slayer]

Slick is right, I don't know much about football but I know reality.

Woodson, although a very good QB still has weaknesses that some of you danglers refuse to admit. You can make it out to be whatever you want but I agree with Michunter. Woodson is worthless if he has to scramble. I don't care about who does what in the NFL or any of that crap. There has been plenty of times that Woodson has screwed the pooch because of his inability to scramble. I'm concered about UK, not the NFL draft or what Woodsons career may or may not be after he leaves here.

If I were to pick a team, I would rather have Tebow and he's only a sophomore. Woodson has -123 yards rushing, and averages a loss of 3.5 everytime he tries. Like I said, I don't know much about football but that can't be good.

.

That don't make much sense to me, but your entitled to your opinion.
Lets look at the Woodson vs. Tebow head to head saturday.
Woodson had 415 yards passing. Tebow had 256 yards passing and 78 yards running, which equals 334 yards.
so woodson had almost 100 more yards than tebow. But you think tebow was more impressive because you think its cool the way he runs???

who cares how they get their yards, I just want more yards.

Scrambling QBs are overrated, give me a brohm or woodson anyday.

[turkeytalker]

Lets look at the Woodson vs. Tebow head to head saturday.
Woodson had 415 yards passing. Tebow had 256 yards passing and 78 yards running, which equals 334 yards.
so woodson had almost 100 more yards than tebow. But you think tebow was more impressive because you think its cool the way he runs???

who cares how they get their yards, I just want more yards.

.

Slick you are always putting down other peoples football knowledge,even calling them an idiot.You'r gonna keep on til you dig yourself a deep hole where everyone is looking at you and saying that there is the biggest idiot on this whole wide board!:eek:


Woodsons yrds. and TDs once again came to him from his receivers.Tebow threw 3 tds that his recievers dropped in the end zone. Not a 5yrd pass with 50rac.

Tebow completely blew woodson out of the water as far as skills and the ever important V.Stop drinking the koolaid slick.

[KYhunter79]

Slickhead is actually Kirk Herbstreit. For those that didn't know.

[Multidigits]

Slickhead is actually Kirk Herbstreit. For those that didn't know.

I seem to remember some others that posted a lot more smack than what Slick has.....except that Slicks has come to pass, and the others didn't?....LOL:D

I'm trying to figure out if the argument is about Brohm vs. Woodson or Tebow vs. Woodson or Tebow vs. Brohm???? Looks like most of the voters don't consider one of those mentioned as a candidate any longer.

[Art]

That don't make much sense to me, but your entitled to your opinion.
Lets look at the Woodson vs. Tebow head to head saturday.
Woodson had 415 yards passing. Tebow had 256 yards passing and 78 yards running, which equals 334 yards.
so woodson had almost 100 more yards than tebow. But you think tebow was more impressive because you think its cool the way he runs???

who cares how they get their yards, I just want more yards.

Scrambling QBs are overrated, give me a brohm or woodson anyday.


So, let me get this straight. You have been saying that the most important stat a QB can have in the heisman race is their W-L record? Not yardage, right? So why are Woodson's stats vs. UF important, especially since they came in a loss to a lower rated team at home with a sophomore QB?

Well, this makes the second SEC game that Woodson, despite his numbers, could not get the W and the other teams QB outplayed him, regardless of what the numbers say.

Woodson is not the best QB in the SEC, might as well face it.
This entire thread reminds me of UK basketball threads from years past where people got angry and claimed that you couldn't be a real UK fan unless you thought the program was perfect in every aspect. I just call it like I see it.

[Multidigits]

Art......what have you been smoking? Woodson will be the highest draft pick out of the SEC this year, and will be paid more money than any other SEC player after he's drafted. That's a lot more than UPS pays. Seems that most of the people paid to evaluate players don't agree with your opinion. I'll agree that overall Florida was/is the better team. But Woodsons game was as good as Tebows.

[Art]

Art......what have you been smoking? Woodson will be the highest draft pick out of the SEC this year, and will be paid more money than any other SEC player after he's drafted. That's a lot more than UPS pays. Seems that most of the people paid to evaluate players don't agree with your opinion. I'll agree that overall Florida was/is the better team. But Woodsons game was as good as Tebows.


Why are you guys so hell bent on comparing ME to Woodson? :D I know he will be drafted, I know he will make lots of money, probably more than you will to Multi. I'm also pretty sure he will not loan you guys any no matter how much you sweat him.

I still think Tebow is a better QB, especially considering that he has much less experience and is much younger. I think both of these factors will likely hurt him in the Heisman or possibly the draft should he decide to leave.

You know what though, I may not be a QB but I have a better job then Tim Couch.;) You guys can guarantee whatever you want, but there are no guarantees in sports.

I like Woodson and I think it would be AWESOME if he won the Heisman, I just don't think he is as big of a stand out player as most Heisman winners have tended to be. We'll see what happens, at this point it could get much better or much worse.

[MsgMills]

Sheesh, if Paul Hornung can win the Heisman Trophy, then Woodson should be a lock to win it.......

[KYhunter79]

I seem to remember some others that posted a lot more smack than what Slick has.....except that Slicks has come to pass, and the others didn't?....LOL:D

I'm trying to figure out if the argument is about Brohm vs. Woodson or Tebow vs. Woodson or Tebow vs. Brohm???? Looks like most of the voters don't consider one of those mentioned as a candidate any longer.

So you think Woodson will be drafted higher than Brohm?

[slickhead slayer]

Slick you are always putting down other peoples football knowledge,even calling them an idiot.You'r gonna keep on til you dig yourself a deep hole where everyone is looking at you and saying that there is the biggest idiot on this whole wide board!:eek:


Woodsons yrds. and TDs once again came to him from his receivers.Tebow threw 3 tds that his recievers dropped in the end zone. Not a 5yrd pass with 50rac.

Tebow completely blew woodson out of the water as far as skills and the ever important V.Stop drinking the koolaid slick.

1. I have never called anyone an idiot. And I am not worried about your scenario, I think you have that locked up.

2. Woodsons yards came from his receivers???????:confused: Were else would they come from???? He is a QB for gosh sakes. Its called passing yards for a reason.

3. I was at the game, I don't recall Floridas receivers dropping ANY balls in the endzone, much less three. what game were you watching?

4. Woodson had a great game, threw for 415 yards and 5 TD's. tebow was great, no doubt. But to say he "blew" woodson out of the water when woodson had more yards is just bias.

[Multidigits]

So you think Woodson will be drafted higher than Brohm?

Don't really care......Brohm is not a Heisman candidate any longer. You need to get past that fact (Woodson still is).

[slickhead slayer]

So, let me get this straight. You have been saying that the most important stat a QB can have in the heisman race is their W-L record? Not yardage, right? So why are Woodson's stats vs. UF important, especially since they came in a loss to a lower rated team at home with a sophomore QB?

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wins are the most important thing for the heaisman. I am not talking about the heisman. You are saying that you would rather have Tebow anyday, and he is far superior. My question to you is, why do you care how he gets his yards?? Yards are yards.
You picked a QB that had 334 yards over a QB that had 415 yards. Seems backward to me.

[slickhead slayer]

Slickhead is actually Kirk Herbstreit. For those that didn't know.

This coming from someone whos predictions haven't come cloe to fruition.
Let me guess, you still think UL is " On a collision course with the national championship"?

I was laughed at before the season for suggesting that Woodson should be mentioned with Brohm. I was then laughed at when I said UK very well might beat UL. Then I was laughed at for suggesting UK had a chance against LSU and Flor.

Sorry, everything you said would happen didn't, and everything I have said would happen did. Not sure why your still talking smack????:confused:

[buckfever]

79, the won loss record and how you lost speaks volumes.

You are holding onto the "hype" way too long 79...........That makes 2 years in a row where you picked the carboard cards for the NC game........

Let it go 79, it will help you in school...........:eek:

Dang, K, ease up on the boy. UofL ain't any good this year, but I've been scratching my head wondering why you hate the Cards so much.

Are you still mad that your college application to UofL was denied? :D:eek:

[buckfever]

Well, this makes the second SEC game that Woodson, despite his numbers, could not get the W and the other teams QB outplayed him, regardless of what the numbers say.

Woodson is not the best QB in the SEC, might as well face it.
This entire thread reminds me of UK basketball threads from years past where people got angry and claimed that you couldn't be a real UK fan unless you thought the program was perfect in every aspect. I just call it like I see it.

Art - You won't hear a single commentator EVER say that Tebow outplayed Woodson last Saturday. Tebow made some big plays, but I think virtually every expert would agree that Woodson had a much better game.

There simply isn't a better QB in the SEC that Woodson right now. Tebow might eventually become a better QB, but it ain't this year.

[slickhead slayer]

Slick you are always putting down other peoples football knowledge,even calling them an idiot.You'r gonna keep on til you dig yourself a deep hole where everyone is looking at you and saying that there is the biggest idiot on this whole wide board!:eek:


Woodsons yrds. and TDs once again came to him from his receivers.Tebow threw 3 tds that his recievers dropped in the end zone. Not a 5yrd pass with 50rac.

Tebow completely blew woodson out of the water as far as skills and the ever important V.Stop drinking the koolaid slick.

Here is what Rich Bozich said about Woodson after the Flor game.

" It was the kind of performance that gets a quarterback invited to New York City for the Heisman Trophy Ceremony.
University of kentucky quarterback Andre Woodson threw more strikes than Josh Beckett. He threw it deep, he threw it with sizzle, he threw it with touch, he threw it with accuracy,he threw it everywhere a quarterback is supposed to throw the football.
Five touchdowns. No interceptions. Completing 35-50 passes for 415 yards. Folks with heisman votes remember nights like that when a quarterback delivers them against Florida."

Seems the experts always disagree with the UK haters on here.

[ryan hickey]

Well, this makes the second SEC game that Woodson, despite his numbers, could not get the W and the other teams QB outplayed him, regardless of what the numbers say.

Woodson is not the best QB in the SEC, might as well face it.
This entire thread reminds me of UK basketball threads from years past where people got angry and claimed that you couldn't be a real UK fan unless you thought the program was perfect in every aspect. I just call it like I see it.


art, find another team to pull for buddy. maybe u already have? during b-ball season u talk about your 'man-crush' on billyD and how good the gators are. now, as uk is actually in the heat of a sec conference race - in FOOTBALL of all things - and this is the drivel u spew. WHO CARES if woodson is the best QB in the sec?! at the BARE MINIMUM that statement is arguable, we have a good FOOTBALL team. nobody said the program was perfect in every aspect, only that woodson is GOOD. i know some 'real' uk fanz, and u my friend are NOT one.

nobody is asking u to say we're the best team in the nation, but when u r a REAL uk fan, u don't need someone to tell u that we need to enjoy this football season - another one like it might not happen too soon. quit sniping at woodson, enjoy this season - and quit thinkin u r as smart as slick - u ain't. enjoy the wins art - or root for someone else - GEESH!!:confused::rolleyes:

[turkeytalker]

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3. I was at the game, I don't recall Floridas receivers dropping ANY balls in the endzone, much less three. what game were you watching?




Get better seats or watch it on the TV.Florida's receivers dropped 3 in the endzone.

[Multidigits]

Get better seats or watch it on the TV.Florida's receivers dropped 3 in the endzone.

Too much spin on the ball?

[Art]

Here we go with the not being a fan thing again. You guys are selective about what you read in my posts. I think a couple of you guys would eat a mile of Woodsons crap just to kiss where it came from. Hell, Hickey is still mad at me because I said something negative about teflon turd Tubby, who was perfect because he coached UK.:D

I really don't understand some of the arguements here because if it's in Woodsons favor, then it's relevant, if it's not then, well....... Sometimes wins are important (unless UK loses), sometimes yardage is important (unless another QB has more than Woodson), sometimes the schedule is important (if a QB puts up better numbers than Woodson).

Maybe you guys just don't understand that I like Woodson and I always pull for UK. I WANT him to win the Heisman. It's just my OPINION that he is not what I consider well rounded and I think Tebow is a better QB because I personally like QB's who are not scared to run the ball. I fully understand that my opinion means no more than your dogs. I also fully understand that Woodson will be drafted and he will make more money in 1 year than my entire family will in a lifetime.

[Bray]

Here we go with the not being a fan thing again. You guys are selective about what you read in my posts. I think a couple of you guys would eat a mile of Woodsons crap just to kiss where it came from. Hell, Hickey is still mad at me because I said something negative about teflon turd Tubby, who was perfect because he coached UK.:D

I really don't understand some of the arguements here because if it's in Woodsons favor, then it's relevant, if it's not then, well....... Sometimes wins are important (unless UK loses), sometimes yardage is important (unless another QB has more than Woodson), sometimes the schedule is important (if a QB puts up better numbers than Woodson).

Maybe you guys just don't understand that I like Woodson and I always pull for UK. I WANT him to win the Heisman. It's just my OPINION that he is not what I consider well rounded and I think Tebow is a better QB because I personally like QB's who are not scared to run the ball. I fully understand that my opinion means no more than your dogs. I also fully understand that Woodson will be drafted and he will make more money in 1 year than my entire family will in a lifetime.

I wouldn't go so far as to say tebow was more rounded than Woodson. More dangerous, maybe, but not more rounded. What makes Woodson great isn't that he has an accurate arm, or that he throws the ball where only his guys can get it. What makes Woodson great is his ability to read the defense and audible at the line. He is the best in the country at it and that's why the scouts love him. Tebow makes one read and if it's not there he tucks it and runs. Woodson doesn't have the speed, the moves, or the ability to handle the ball like Tebow can. Sometimes a sack doesn't hurt you. What would UK do with Woodson out for the year? What would FLA. do? Fla. would put in it's 5 star backup and UK would put who in? Woodson knows his game better than anyone and scrambling isn't his game. I can understand why people love mobile QB's I am a diehard Buckeye fan (don't hold it against me It;s in my blood) and LOVED to watch Troy Smith play last year. They make great college QB's but usually have to play WR in the pro's.

Anyway, UK redshirted Pulley (sp?) this year and will run an offense similar to the gators next year so it should be pretty exciting.

[maxcam]

Art I know you and I seldom agree and to be honest with respect to the comparisons of Tebow and Woodson we arent going to start now.....:eek:

Here is the bottom line.....Name one QB to lead his team in Rushing in the NFL..... Now before you get all bent out of shape know that there are alot of folks like you that love to see a rushing QB......Unfortunately they also like to rip their head off.......Now do you honestly think that Tim Tebow would last 6 weeks running 15-20 plays a game against NFL defenses...?

If you want to argue about who is the better athlete then I might tend to agree with you....But Tebow is just like Donovan McNAbb......One knee injury away from a never was...........

[Art]

Art I know you and I seldom agree and to be honest with respect to the comparisons of Tebow and Woodson we arent going to start now.....:eek:

Here is the bottom line.....Name one QB to lead his team in Rushing in the NFL..... Now before you get all bent out of shape know that there are alot of folks like you that love to see a rushing QB......Unfortunately they also like to rip their head off.......Now do you honestly think that Tim Tebow would last 6 weeks running 15-20 plays a game against NFL defenses...?

If you want to argue about who is the better athlete then I might tend to agree with you....But Tebow is just like Donovan McNAbb......One knee injury away from a never was...........


I understand your point, but what I'm saying is that THIS IS COLLEGE. I could care less about what may or may not happen in the NFL. Injuries can effect any athlete. Just because Tebow is at least two years younger than Woodson, a better athlete, and also much tougher and stronger doesn't mean it's a negative and I doubt NFL teams will see it as such. It would be much easier for a coach to make Tebow stop running the ball than it would be to get Woodson to be able to do anything besides throw it away or get sacked.

All this future predicting and bickering is kind of pointless. I guess I would like to know who here is so confident in Woodson that they are willing to say right here and now that he will win the Heisman? No BS about the NFL or Brohm, ect.. Will he win it? Yes or no. Me personally, I just kind of doubt it. If he played for USC or OSU then it would be more likely IMO.

[Multidigits]

............. Will he win it? Yes or no. Me personally, I just kind of doubt it. If he played for USC or OSU then it would be more likely IMO.

"just kind of doubt it" doesn't sound like a yes or a no answer. Sounds like your saying "maybe" instead. so, you have doubts about your own opinion? :o

[Art]

"just kind of doubt it" doesn't sound like a yes or a no answer. Sounds like your saying "maybe" instead. so, you have doubts about your own opinion? :o

Well, let me rephrase that. NO. I don't think he will win it, but that was my reasoning. My question was for all the people here who seem to be so sure that he is the best there is.

[Multidigits]

For the record, I don't believe he will win it either, but he will get invited to NYC. (That would indicate that he's "one of the best", the Heisman is seldom ever won by the best player).

Brohm won't make the trip unless he wins out the rest of the season.

[michunter]

Slick is right, I don't know much about football but I know reality.

Woodson, although a very good QB still has weaknesses that some of you danglers refuse to admit. You can make it out to be whatever you want but I agree with Michunter. Woodson is worthless if he has to scramble. I don't care about who does what in the NFL or any of that crap. There has been plenty of times that Woodson has screwed the pooch because of his inability to scramble. I'm concered about UK, not the NFL draft or what Woodsons career may or may not be after he leaves here.

If I were to pick a team, I would rather have Tebow and he's only a sophomore. Woodson has -123 yards rushing, and averages a loss of 3.5 everytime he tries. Like I said, I don't know much about football but that can't be good.

Is UK a top 25 team? I think they are but they were also a hair away from losing 3 in a row, and the 2 loses were to lower ranked teams. Who really cares about the rankings? Obviously they mean very little this year and there's lots of football left to play. UK could end up in the top 10 or fall out of the top 25 based on what happens between now and the end of the season. We don't have any guaranteed wins coming IMO.


Amen Brother !!!!:D

[michunter]

Art I know you and I seldom agree and to be honest with respect to the comparisons of Tebow and Woodson we arent going to start now.....:eek:

Here is the bottom line.....Name one QB to lead his team in Rushing in the NFL..... Now before you get all bent out of shape know that there are alot of folks like you that love to see a rushing QB......Unfortunately they also like to rip their head off.......Now do you honestly think that Tim Tebow would last 6 weeks running 15-20 plays a game against NFL defenses...?

If you want to argue about who is the better athlete then I might tend to agree with you....But Tebow is just like Donovan McNAbb......One knee injury away from a never was...........


Bottom line is we are not wanting him to be a leading rusher , Just a more agile QB , one that can take a bad play or a broken play and turn it into a remarkable play , thats all !!:D

[Multidigits]

Bottom line is we are not wanting him to be a leading rusher , Just a more agile QB , one that can take a bad play or a broken play and turn it into a remarkable play , thats all !!:D


That might be what you want, but most of us just want to win more games. You can't do that in the SEC with a QB with broken legs sitting on the bench. We need his arm and his back and game management skills much more than a few yards rushing.

[michunter]

That might be what you want, but most of us just want to win more games. You can't do that in the SEC with a QB with broken legs sitting on the bench. We need his arm and his back and game management skills much more than a few yards rushing.


Thats the problem with this damn internet you take it I want him to rush for all these yards , If he would have scrambled against SC I bet we would be 7-1 right now , or maybe even 8-0 . I want the wins as well . And him running once every 10 plays or 20 would not get him killed . IF he is such a tough QB , he can take it . If not maybe he should pick another career . maybe ballet or something . :eek::D

[Multidigits]

So, we're back to square one. You and Art both say he has to run to be a good QB, WHILE ALL the experts that have a vote on the Heisman say he doesn't have to do anything different. So, there's nothing wrong with the Internet, it's goes to qualifications on who's more capable of predicting talent. I think that honor goes to those who watch all the candidates all the time.

As for ballet, looked like Tebow might consider it? He got his bell wrung a couple of time running the ball to avoid trouble. Maybe he's not too tuff???

[GSPonGrouse]

IMO Woodson is by far the best QB UK has ever had and only time will tell> I know alot of you are going to start saying Tim or Jared was better like I said IMO. I got to go to the game Sat. Watch from down on the feild. After the game I sat in on the post game interveiws in the Fla. locker room. Before the coaches and players came in I overheard some of the media guys talking(All from Fla except one from CBS and one from ESPN) And I quote "Woodson is going to make one he11 of a pro. He has it all, mostly his patience and poise in the pocket". That means he does'nt take off running everytime the pressure is on. And if he did how many down the feild plays would he have missed, but he doesn't need me to defend him just look at his stats and his record that says way more than I can in a few lines of text.
C-A-T-S cats, cats, cats

[michunter]

So, we're back to square one. You and Art both say he has to run to be a good QB, WHILE ALL the experts that have a vote on the Heisman say he doesn't have to do anything different. So, there's nothing wrong with the Internet, it's goes to qualifications on who's more capable of predicting talent. I think that honor goes to those who watch all the candidates all the time.

As for ballet, looked like Tebow might consider it? He got his bell wrung a couple of time running the ball to avoid trouble. Maybe he's not too tuff???
No I am not saying he has to run to be a good QB , what I am saying he should run a little , make the defense think , not just come into a game and know he is going to throw the damn ball . I do think he is the best UK has had come through in the 10 years I have been following them , he makes Tim Couch look like a high school QB , And Jared Lorrensen , well thats another thread . Will he be in the top 3 for the Heisman , yes I believe he will . Do I think he will win it , No for the simple fact I think there is a more deserving college player . But again thats my opinion , Do I hope he wins it Sure !!!! :D

[slickhead slayer]

All this future predicting and bickering is kind of pointless. I guess I would like to know who here is so confident in Woodson that they are willing to say right here and now that he will win the Heisman? No BS about the NFL or Brohm, ect.. Will he win it? Yes or no. Me personally, I just kind of doubt it. If he played for USC or OSU then it would be more likely IMO.

For the record, I have never said Woodson would win the heisman, or even be invited to NY. My argument has been all along that he is not overrated like so many said, and like so many continue to say. I think he has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is legit.

My point about Tebow and Woodson is this, tebow had a career game, and yet he still had 100 yards less than woodson.
You guys act like you would rather have a hard fought 12 yard run by tebow where he is dragging defenders, than a 40 yard effortless pass by woodson. Sorry, give me the yards.
The best QB's in the pros, Manning, Palmer, Brady, Romo,etc don't run because they are taught not to. You stay in the pocket and try to complete the pass. Their asset is throwing, not running.
I am just confused why you would pick a QB who had 100 less yards. Why does it matter how you got the yards? Just get me yards.

[GSPonGrouse]

As far as Woodson winning. He will be in NY and that means a whole lot and Yes if things go well the rest of the season I think he can and will win it.
Tebow is a great talent, with out a dought, and deserves every good thing people say. He is hard to stop, but by the time bowl games get here he is going to be pretty banged up. Ask yourself this, why did all the great coaches and minds from the past and today preach one thing over and over to their O-line, YOU HAVE GOT TO PROTECT THE QB. To me one Comes to mind first. He is the hardest player on the feild to replace half way through a game or season as far as that goes. I know he cant do his job from his back is important to. B ehe sure cant from the sideline.

[KYHUNTER14]

I would have taken Tebow's performance in that game because he did what he had to do to win. IF you look only at the numbers then I admit, Woodson's numbers are better. I watched the game and I personally would take Tebow, because again he did what he had to do to win. Sports is about more than just individual numbers.


For the record, I am not a Woodson basher. I think he is a good QB, just not as great as everyone else seems to think he is.

To answer Art's question, NO, I don't think Woodson will win the Heisman. I think he will probably receive an invitation, as will Tebow. I don't think either will win though.

[maxcam]

Bottom line is we are not wanting him to be a leading rusher , Just a more agile QB , one that can take a bad play or a broken play and turn it into a remarkable play , thats all !!:D

Dude, what more do you want from the kid or the team for that matter......Kentucky was only allowed to roster a full stable of scholarship athletes what 2 years ago......After several dismal seasons they are ranked in the top twenty with 2 wins over top ten teams one of which was at the time ranked number one and have been in every ball game but one at SC.........

I can remember not too long ago basically this same team had a hard time beating a team from the MAC........

As for your wishes of more agile QB did you ever stop to think that it has to do more with the defenses he is facing than his ability......Kentucky rarely faces man coverage down the field........And when they do Woodson checks the play off to a more viable candidate to take the ball and make the play........I see his decisions as unselfish and believe this is the number one reason they are as successful as they are......

[maxcam]

I would have taken Tebow's performance in that game because he did what he had to do to win. IF you look only at the numbers then I admit, Woodson's numbers are better. I watched the game and I personally would take Tebow, because again he did what he had to do to win. Sports is about more than just individual numbers.


For the record, I am not a Woodson basher. I think he is a good QB, just not as great as everyone else seems to think he is.

To answer Art's question, NO, I don't think Woodson will win the Heisman. I think he will probably receive an invitation, as will Tebow. I don't think either will win though.

And I will argue that if Kentucky had the personell on defense to play man coverage instead of a 2 or 3 deep zone most of the time that Tebow would have not had the numbers he had........

[Art]

See, here is where I don't get the comparisons. In the UK-UF game, all you guys are preaching YARDAGE-YARDAGE-YARDAGE because this is really the only area where Woodson outperformered Tebow. By this same theory, Chris Smelley outperformed Woodson in the USC game. Is that proof that he's better?:confused:

Is the amount of yardage more important than a win over a higher rated team on the road? Think about it, had the situation been reversed then the arguement for Woodson would be totally different with you guys.:D

[Multidigits]

See, here is where I don't get the comparisons. In the UK-UF game, all you guys are preaching YARDAGE-YARDAGE-YARDAGE because this is really the only area where Woodson outperformered Tebow. By this same theory, Chris Smelley outperformed Woodson in the USC game. Is that proof that he's better?:confused:

Is the amount of yardage more important than a win over a higher rated team on the road? Think about it, had the situation been reversed then the arguement for Woodson would be totally different with you guys.:D


So, are we supposed to agree with you that Woodson is crap, or side with the paid experts all across the US that say he isn't???

At this point, after the Florida and SC game, Woodson is rated higher than Brohm as a senir player, and slightly lower than Tebow in the Heisman race. No worse than #2 at this point, as rated by those making a living do those things.

So, tell us why we should not believe what they see?

[Art]

So, are we supposed to agree with you that Woodson is crap, or side with the paid experts all across the US that say he isn't???

At this point, after the Florida and SC game, Woodson is rated higher than Brohm as a senir player, and slightly lower than Tebow in the Heisman race. No worse than #2 at this point, as rated by those making a living do those things.

So, tell us why we should not believe what they see?


Where did I every say he was crap? Remember my "selective reading" comment? Why do you keep bringing up Brohm in every thread?:confused:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/statistics

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/heisman07/index

[mcdenney]

Woodson was excellent again against Florida. He threw for a season-best 415 yards and five touchdowns!!!!! Yeah his accuracy is in question for sure... Please, all he has done is throw eight touchdown passes in the last two weeks – against Florida and LSU. I don't get it.:cool:

[slickhead slayer]

See, here is where I don't get the comparisons. In the UK-UF game, all you guys are preaching YARDAGE-YARDAGE-YARDAGE because this is really the only area where Woodson outperformered Tebow. By this same theory, Chris Smelley outperformed Woodson in the USC game. Is that proof that he's better?:confused:

Is the amount of yardage more important than a win over a higher rated team on the road? Think about it, had the situation been reversed then the arguement for Woodson would be totally different with you guys.:D

The win is of course the most important factor. Woodson didn't have a good game against SC, but he and Tebow had good games against each other.
I don't think woodson is the reason UK lost to Flor. You guys are saying Tebow outplayed Woodson, when Woodson had more yards. I think woodson did all he could do to win the game, i think his defense let him down.
A QB can do everything in his power to win, and still lose to other factors. I think thats what happened.
415 yards, 5 TD passes, and no INT's, what else could he do???? UK's defense is what needed to step up.
he had a career game, against a great team, and came up on the losing side. But he certainly didn't get outplayed. Thats all i am saying.