GIULIANI sucks

[turkeytalker]

Well i give up:confused:If he is the frontrunner and to win the nom.,i cannot vote.

Of course,i will do my best to keep everyone i know from voting for the scourge of the earth,a KLINTON.

[mrdux]

Sure you can vote!! You just choose not to.

You would rather not vote for a person who you disagree with on a couple of issues and assure the election of a socialist who you will disagree with on EVERY issue? That makes you an idiot in my book!!

You can scream Evangelical Christian or whatever you want to disagree with Rudy and his past stances on issues. I'm a Christian also but would rather be dead and gone than live in a country run by Hillary and her socialist friends.

I heard a guy the other day criticize James Dobson for encouraging his followers to not vote rather than vote for Rudy, Thompson, or McCain. He said Dobson needs to know that the only perfect Republican candidate died on a cross 2000 years ago!

Don't go around whining about not being able to vote. You have the choice not to vote. Think about it before you help give this great country away.

[Wildcat]

Seems like more and more people are saying they will NOT vote this time around. Every single one that does not vote is a vote for Clinton. That is a fact you can take to the bank.

[buckdroppings]

How bout we get through the primaries first. Rudy may be the front runner but he hasn't won yet. Just because the media says he is the favorite doesn't meant you have to vote for him.

[KYHUNTER14]

Rudy sucks, I agree. I will still vote for him over Hillary though.

[turkeytalker]

I remember in 1996 when the republican party leaders actually called Pat Buchanan a racist so he wouldnt continue smoking Bob Dole.Alot of what Buchanan was saying has come to pass,this has always bothered me because the republicans used the "Dole is the only one who gives us a chance", kinda like they are doing with Rudy now.


Too me Rudy is just a little right on the socialism scale than Hillary.And i'd bet money that Rudy would push harder for gun control than Hillary would.
Just look at him real closely

[hwright]

mrdux and I have had this consversation before. I will not vote for Rudy. I refuse to vote for a man that condons killing babies. PERIOD. It says something about a mans heart when he openly says he supports abortion. As for living under hilaries reign, ya it would suck, but at least I would be able to sleep at night.

The thing with Rudy is, its not just a couple of things that I disagree with him on, its that there is only a couple of things that I agree with him on. He is way to far to the left on social issues to ever get my vote. Ya he will be strong on defense, so what. The end of this country does not come from another army. The end will be brought on by socialist living among us. And my friends Rudy is one of them. HEATH

[30WCF]

The end will be brought on by socialist living among us. And my friends Rudy is one of them. HEATH
I can assure you whoever the Democrats nominate will be a worse one.

[Wildcat]

The end will be brought on by socialist living among us. And my friends Rudy is one of them. HEATH

And Hillary is NOT a socialist????????

Look at her voting record and all her public speeches. Look what she tried to do while her husband was in the White House. She is once removed from the socialist leader of the US. If you can sleep well at night with her in control then you must support her since I never will.

The whole point is which is electable? We cannot always get what we want 100%, sometimes to win we have to compromice. You have to look at the big picture.

As for abortion, Roe v Wade was a Supreme Court ruling, it was NOT a bill in Congress and was never debated or voted on in Congress. 4 years ago I posted one reason to keep Bush in office, the Supreme Court was AGING and the President might be able to put as many as 3 people in the court. So far he's put 2 people and he has a little over a year to go. The OLDEST judge is now past 90. If he lives and Hillary wins she might be able to appoint 1-3 judges depending on their health over the next 4-8 years.

So by NOT voting against Hillary you are helping the socialist control the Supreme Court for years. Once that happens there will NEVER be any way to over turn the abortion laws.

[turkeytalker]

[quote=Wildcat;479036].

The whole point is which is electable? We cannot always get what we want 100%, sometimes to win we have to compromice. [quote]



This kind of thinking is what reelected bill.You are giving up.What voters would the republicans gain by nominating Rudy?What voters will the republicans lose if they nominate rudy?Me for one and thousands of others.The republicans that say he is the only one electable is the same lazy,panty waist RINO's that have set on their but and got pushed around by the liberals for 6 yrs.And they are also the ones who put us in an almost no win situation.

[Wildcat]

[quote=Wildcat;479036].

The whole point is which is electable? We cannot always get what we want 100%, sometimes to win we have to compromice. [quote]



This kind of thinking is what reelected bill.You are giving up.What voters would the republicans gain by nominating Rudy?What voters will the republicans lose if they nominate rudy?Me for one and thousands of others.The republicans that say he is the only one electable is the same lazy,panty waist RINO's that have set on their but and got pushed around by the liberals for 6 yrs.And they are also the ones who put us in an almost no win situation.


That kind of thinking is NOT what elected Bill.

The VERY THINKING YOU HOLD AGAINST GIULIANI IS WHAT ELECTED BILL.. That is a FACT, the numbers do not lie.

People voted for Perot because he was MORE in line with what they wanted than Bush Sr. Everybody KNEW Perot would NEVER get enough votes to win yet he pulled votes from Bush to give Clinton the win. THAT IS A FACT.

Tha art of politics is compromise, you have to look at the bigger picture. Your way of thinking on Giuiani that he will LOSE thousands of republican votes means those republicans were democrats anyway and support Hillary. By staying out of the voting you are giving Hillary the win, the same as if you voted for a third party. History will repeat itself this election, the unsatficated will either not vote or vote for a third party GUARANTEEING a Clinton win.

Before anybody jumps on me I'm a Thompson supporter but I don't know if he can pull it off.

[Manzanita]

I will not vote for a liberal disguised as a conservative... or for a Democrat disguised as a Republican.

Guiliani will not get my vote if he wins the primary. I will simply not vote (or I will write in someone else). If he's the best the Republican party can put forth then they don't deserve my vote and damn the consequences.

Does that make me an idiot? Well, according to some of the wise old sages on this forum it apparently does. I'm also a bit disappointed in the surprising Republican-at-all-cost attitude among others whom I would have thought differently.

Sorry, but socialism is bad but my Faith and certain other principles trump everything. Number one is abortion. I will not ever vote for a candidate who publicly supports abortion. Yeah, gun rights are important. Illegal immigration, gay marriage, all that.

The thought of Clinton or Obama in office for the next four or eight years is chilling.

I will not sell my soul just to prevent that. Sorry, Republicans. Hell is hot.

[hwright]

I will not sell my soul just to prevent that. Sorry, Republicans. Hell is hot.


That is the single best line I have ever read on this forum. I feal the exact same way. Thank you for putting it into words for me... HEATH

[daking]

I guess what it boils down to is who will do the least harm.

We know who Hillary is and what she will do.

Guilani is wrong on a number of issues. He is however, much less wrong with the old broom rider.

Instead of voting for the lesser or two evils, maybe you should look at it as not voting for the evil of two lessers. I hope Rudy does not get the nomination. He's not my favorite. Given the choice between him and Hillary, I'll vote for him early and often, because while he won't do everything in the manner I want, I know that we're screwed beyond belief if Ms. Bill gets in the oval orifice.

[yote hunter]

the media is trying to pick rudy.i dont see the south or the west voteing for him.abortion was the main reason i left the democrates and il be dam#$ if i would ever vote for a republican that supported it.

[MsgMills]

The people of these United States are going to do a repeat of the Clinton and Jimmy Carter Era's. All they did was cry and complain for the entire 8 & 4 years while they were in office.
If a Democrat is put back in office again after the 8 years of Republican control. Watch and see if more of the jobs, factories, SSA and help for the elderly go downhill again.

Every time a democrat is in office the National Debt rises out of control. At least since Mr. Bush has been in office the debt has fallen in stead of rising.

I do think Fred Thompson is the choice for the Republicans, he's more of a choice for the normal people of today's society. His belief's and values remind me a lot of Ronald Reagan.

[Wildcat]

So what's Hillary's stand on abortion???

Did Reagan outlaw it?

Did Bush Sr outlaw it?

Did Bush Jr outlaw it?

You all supported them yet none of them did anything about abortion as far as outlawing it.

They all are Presidents not Kings, they cannot just order something. It has to go though Congress and if there is not enough votes it's a waste. They also know Roe v Wade was a Supreme Court ruling, a "liberal" Supreme Court at that. I pointed out 4 years ago Bush would have a chance to make it onto a Conservative court but unless the oldest member passes away before he leaves office then is Hillary wins she will appoint liberal judges every single chance she gets. If that happens Roe v Wade will NEVER be over turned, NEVER.

Serious question, what's Hillary's stand on abortion???

[yote hunter]

So what's Hillary's stand on abortion???

Did Reagan outlaw it?

Did Bush Sr outlaw it?

Did Bush Jr outlaw it?

You all supported them yet none of them did anything about abortion as far as outlawing it.

They all are Presidents not Kings, they cannot just order something. It has to go though Congress and if there is not enough votes it's a waste. They also know Roe v Wade was a Supreme Court ruling, a "liberal" Supreme Court at that. I pointed out 4 years ago Bush would have a chance to make it onto a Conservative court but unless the oldest member passes away before he leaves office then is Hillary wins she will appoint liberal judges every single chance she gets. If that happens Roe v Wade will NEVER be over turned, NEVER.

Serious question, what's Hillary's stand on abortion???
sorry but hillarys is the exact same as rudys.rudy is pro abortion ,anti gun pro gay, and screws around on his wife .he sounds just like bill clinton.

[turkeytalker]

Did Bush Jr outlaw it?

You all supported them yet none of them did anything about abortion as far as outlawing it.




You're joking right?President George W. Bush has done everything possible or that can be done by a president to outlaw it.He pushed the partial birth abortion ban harder than anyone.

Abortion is the key issue in this race,48,589,993 Abortions since 1973,If this genocide don't stop global warming is gonna be the least of our worries.

Also Rudy was a founder of the lawsuits against firearm companies.

[Wildcat]

You're joking right?President George W. Bush has done everything possible or that can be done by a president to outlaw it.He pushed the partial birth abortion ban harder than anyone.

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But he did NOT get it outlawed. I back President Bush more than most people on here but the fact is he did not get it outlawed and he lost his best chance when the Senate went to the democrats. Had the republicans held the Senate he would still have a chance to put one more conservative judge in the Court, no way they will get in now.

I'm still backing Fred and hope he does win but there is no way in hades I'll ever HELP Hillary win the White House by setting out the vote to make a point.

If Hillary wins do you think abortion will be outlawed??? Seriously do you??

If not then why do you want to help her???

[Tim T]

Well i give up:confused:If he is the frontrunner and to win the nom.,i cannot vote.

Of course,i will do my best to keep everyone i know from voting for the scourge of the earth,a KLINTON.

You can vote for someone other than Rudy during the primary. Just because he is leading according to some polls doesn't mean he will win!

[hwright]

Wildcat,

Get past the abortion thing for just a minute. What stance does Rudy have that is conservative? I can't really think of any. What has hurt the Republican party more then anything is the representives we elect and send to Washington are no different then the tax a spend liberals. They had power for 6 years and we still spent more then ever before. They have voted in the biggest entiltment ever with the prescription drug program. They have also carried a larger deficiet then ever before. Why would I vote straight republican anymore? The party has left me. I am a conservative, not a republican. I believe in less government and less taxes. Can you say Rudy will give me those things?

Maybe by sitting this election out I will be able to teach the republicans that have hijacked my party a lesson. Maybe they will get the pizz kicked out of them and step back and take inventory. Maybe not, the 06 election sure hasn't taught them anything. HEATH

[Snareman2]

Mitt Romney Suxxs
Guliani Suxx
Fred Thompson - Better, pro-life
Ron Paul - Will not be messing with our guns, pro 2nd admendment.

[turkeytalker]

More and more i'm finding myself leaning to Huckabee,and after tonights debate i like him even more.Got the below text from the Nra's website.
I REALLY LIKE HIS THINKING.


Governor Mike Huckabee
When addressing the United Nations’ attempts to disarm law-abiding Americans, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said, “International law doesn’t have an application in the appellate process or the adjudication process in an American court.” And he later commented that, “Frankly, if the United Nations continues to come at us with such outrageous things, then we should not be too disappointed if the whole thing were to break off and float away in the East River, never to be seen or heard from again.” :D

[MsgMills]

Not voting is the most crazy thing I've heard of in all my life. Go ahead and not vote and then if that (OLD NAG) wins the Presidency. Then you won't have anyone to blame but yourselves and everyone else who didn't vote. If you don't vote then you have no reason to complain over anything that comes out of her Presidency. God help this Country if she wins the election as President........:mad::cool:

[Manzanita]

The party has left me. I am a conservative, not a republican.

I know it's going to sound like we're amen'ing each other but... what he said. I haven't seen it lately but if I remember correctly, the Republican party national platform, in addition to being fairly conservative, used to specifically mention being pro-life.

Now they are pushing a liberal, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, anti-gun, New York liberal (did I say liberal?) as their front-runner? Why? Just because he happened to be mayor of New York on September 11, 2001? Give me a break. This is a bigger mystery than why Zell Miller is a democrat.

So, Rudy's big on killing terrorists. Big deal. Aren't we all. If Repubs choose Rudy as their candidate, they deserve Hillary. That's who they'll get because the conservative base... those of us with principles, will refuse to vote for a liberal, regardless of which letter follows his name. That Kool-aid is a bit too bitter.

This is not a "just vote for the lesser of two evils" game. This is not just four or eight years of a socialist president. There are non-negotiable moral issues at stake here and for those of us who believe in a Just and Righteous God, we aren't going to have to stand before Him and explain why we indirectly promoted the killing of unborn children just to keep our taxes down.

[Wildcat]

hwright,

Please don't tell ME to get past this abortion thing for a minute.

YOU are the one that brought it up so finish it.

Serious question;
Where does Hillary stand on abortion???

It seems like you all are alright with Hillary's stand on abortion and have no problem with it, in fact some of you are ever playing Hillary's stand down and saying the republicans are much worst on abortion but Hillary is fine with abortion and you all will sleep better with her in office when it comes to abortion.

A TRUE conservative will not stand for Hillary.

What is Hillary's stand on abortion??

[Manzanita]

hwright,

Please don't tell ME to get past this abortion thing for a minute.

YOU are the one that brought it up so finish it.

Serious question;
Where does Hillary stand on abortion???

It seems like you all are alright with Hillary's stand on abortion and have no problem with it, in fact some of you are ever playing Hillary's stand down and saying the republicans are much worst on abortion but Hillary is fine with abortion and you all will sleep better with her in office when it comes to abortion.

A TRUE conservative will not stand for Hillary.

What is Hillary's stand on abortion??

Are you serious?

You want someone to say that Hillary is for abortion? Sure. Hillary is for abortion. She's a democrat. That's a normal position for left wing socialist feminazi democrats.

It's not, however, a normal position for Republicans.

A TRUE conservative will not vote for a liberal... in any party.

Maybe Rudy won't win the nomination and we can all be pals again... :D. Otherwise, this has been a very enlightening thread.

[hwright]

hwright,

Please don't tell ME to get past this abortion thing for a minute.

YOU are the one that brought it up so finish it.

Serious question;
Where does Hillary stand on abortion???

It seems like you all are alright with Hillary's stand on abortion and have no problem with it, in fact some of you are ever playing Hillary's stand down and saying the republicans are much worst on abortion but Hillary is fine with abortion and you all will sleep better with her in office when it comes to abortion.

A TRUE conservative will not stand for Hillary.

What is Hillary's stand on abortion??

You want a serious question???

What is Rudy conservative on? Almost nothing on the social side of the house. If you want to vote for a joke of a conservative go ahead, just don't expect me to follow suit. At any rate I don't expect him to win the nomination. He may take Iowa and New Hampshire but when it comes to super Tuesday and the south gets their say he is done. At least thats the hope I am hanging on to.

I will just say one more thing and drop it. You can take it to the bank, I will NEVER vote for Rudy. Not in any way shape or form. ;) HEATH

[Wildcat]

True conservatives will never sleep well at night with Hillary in the White House.

We're pals and I have no problems with you all but I'll never understand how a conservative will HELP Hillary.

No mater who the republicans get, it will be a close election and every vote will count. If Hillary get in I'm never sleep well at night but you all go ahead and have sweet dreams.

[deadaim]

Fred is the logical choice he is conservitive enough that the christian right will stand behind him after the primarys. But he will still swing some liberal votes too im going to vote Fred.
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[slickhead slayer]

I just hope Fred wins the nomination so we won't have to choose.

[KYHUNTER14]

I plan on voting for Thompson in the primary.

[turkeytalker]

I know several conservative republicans who will not vote for Rudy under any circumstance,that being said i also know alot of conservative democrats that will not vote for Hillary.Most of the time we would pick up these democrats but when we have someone running thats just as bad as shething we lose their vote too.

If Rudy is nominated it will be the biggest landslide in history.I feel the same way about McCain and Romney.