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ptbrauch
10-19-2007, 09:15 AM
S.F. considers ‘shooting gallery’ for drug addicts

Facility would be nation’s first for supervised heroin injections


Updated: 11:56 p.m. ET Oct 18, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO - City health officials took steps Thursday toward opening the nation’s first legal safe-injection room, where addicts could shoot up heroin, cocaine and other drugs under the supervision of nurses.
Hoping to reduce San Francisco’s high rate of fatal drug overdoses, the public health department co-sponsored a symposium on the only such facility in North America, a 4-year-old Vancouver site where an estimated 700 users a day self-administer narcotics under the supervision of nurses.
“Having the conversation today will help us figure out whether this is a way to reduce the harms and improve the health of our community,” said Grant Colfax, director of HIV prevention for the San Francisco Department of Public Health (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21367579/#).

Organizers of the daylong forum, which also included a coalition of nonprofit health and social-service groups, acknowledge that it could take years to get an injection facility up and running. Along with legal hurdles, such an effort would be almost sure to face political opposition. Bertha Madras, deputy director of demand reduction for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21367579/#), called San Francisco’s consideration of such a facility “disconcerting” and “poor public policy.”

“The underlying philosophy is, ’We accept drug addiction, we accept the state of affairs as acceptable,”’ Madras said. “This is a form of giving up.”
Sixty-five similar facilities exist in 27 cities in eight countries, but no other U.S. cities have considered creating one, according to Hilary McQuie, Western director for the Harm Reduction Coalition, a nonprofit that promotes alternative drug treatment methods.

“If it happens anywhere in the U.S., it will most likely start in San Francisco,” McQuie said. “It really just depends on if there is a political will here. How long it takes for that political will to develop is the main factor.”
Drug overdoses represented about one of every seven emergency calls handled by city paramedics between July 2006 and July 2007, according to San Francisco Fire Department Capt. Niels Tangherlini. At the same time, the number of deaths linked to overdoses has declined from a high of about 160 in 1995 to 40 in 2004, he said.

Colfax estimated that there are between 11,000 and 15,000 intravenous drug users in San Francisco, most of them homeless men. Like many large U.S. cities, the city operates a clean-needle exchange program to reduce HIV and hepatitis C (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21367579/#) infections.

Advocates plan to work on building community support for a safe-injection center, including backing from Mayor Gavin Newsom and the Board of Supervisors.

While it’s too early to tell what the room in San Francisco would look like, Vancouver’s InSite program is located on the upper floor of a low-rise building in a downtown neighborhood where drug users shoot up in the open.

The site, exempt from federal drug laws so users can visit without fear of arrest, has 12 private booths where addicts inject drugs such as heroin, cocaine or crystal. They can use equipment and techniques provided by the staff, said Thomas Kerr, a University of British Columbia researcher who has extensively studied the program. While 800 overdoses have occurred on the premises, Kerr said, none of them resulted in death because of the medical supervision provided at InSite. His research also has shown an increase in addicts seeking drug treatment and a decrease in abandoned syringes, needle-sharing, drug-related crime and other problems since the clinic opened, he said.

The results indicate the idea is worth replicating, despite the criticism it may attract, Kerr said.

“I prefer the approach of the Vancouver Police Department, which was: ’We don’t like the idea of this, but let’s look at the evidence and at the end of three years we will tell you either this is something we can support or it’s something we can’t support,”’ he said.

© 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

mrdux
10-19-2007, 09:19 AM
I would insist that we declared the day a national holiday. Why just California? I say let everything up to the Canadian border slide. They don't call it the LEFT COAST for nothing.

nwest
10-19-2007, 11:03 AM
What will they think of next:rolleyes:. Cali ain't all bad, why not just shove off Orange county, san fran, and everything in a 60 mile radius if each. then build a moat stocked with gators on the southern border. We could flood the holes left by the cities, build a few wetlands, stock em with fish..... maybe even open a season on the straggling illegals. We could hunt em with dart guns:D.

Hmmm wonder if we could talk arnold into that?

killinmammals
10-19-2007, 11:15 AM
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What will they think of next:rolleyes:. Cali ain't all bad, why not just shove off Orange county, san fran, and everything in a 60 mile radius if each. then build a moat stocked with gators on the southern border. We could flood the holes left by the cities, build a few wetlands, stock em with fish..... maybe even open a season on the straggling illegals. We could hunt em with dart guns:D.

Hmmm wonder if we could talk arnold into that?

Now there is a plan. One question, would the darts have a tranquilizer on them? I don't want the german shepards we send after them to get to tired chasing them down for us.:D
So now we are ok with illegal drug use as long as you don't overdose!! WTH!!! Screwit, knock it off in the ocean!!

nwest
10-19-2007, 11:34 AM
Now there is a plan. One question, would the darts have a tranquilizer on them? I don't want the german shepards we send after them to get to tired chasing them down for us.:D
So now we are ok with illegal drug use as long as you don't overdose!! WTH!!! Screwit, knock it off in the ocean!!


Yeah we would have to use a tranq of some sort, wouldn't want to offend anyone:D

raktrakr
10-19-2007, 11:47 AM
"If California fell into the Pacific, would we really miss it? "
Yes we would!That would only push the mexicans and idiots further east.

Feedman
10-19-2007, 01:11 PM
City health officials took steps Thursday toward opening the nation’s first legal safe-injection room, where addicts could shoot up heroin, cocaine and other drugs under the supervision of nurses.
Hoping to reduce San Francisco's high rate of fatal drug overdoses,


Looks to me like the problem is taking care of itself.

Dennymac
10-19-2007, 03:12 PM
I would give cal back to mexico, half of its population are from there anyway:rolleyes:

Tim T
10-19-2007, 03:19 PM
Where is this California that you folks speak of? I have never heard of it!

BTW, I sometimes drink beer under a nurses supervision, at least when she is home instead of at work!

quackrstackr
10-19-2007, 08:00 PM
In the words of the band Tool:

"Learn to swim......." :D

Great song.

nitrox28
10-19-2007, 09:37 PM
It would actually please me to watch Kalifournia slide into the ocean killing everyone in that worthless state. But that's just me.

Auk1124
10-19-2007, 10:40 PM
"And if California slides into the ocean,
Like the mystics and statistics say it will,
I predict this hotel will be standing
Until I pay my bill."

I miss Warren Zevon.

KY_Fried
10-20-2007, 12:14 AM
In a perfect world a big wave would wash all the scumbags away and leave all that beautiful hunting land for the rest of us.

killinmammals
10-20-2007, 12:25 AM
I have sold several guns the past day that say in big bold letters...NOT LEGAL FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA...the customers have asked if there is something to it. I tell them yes...it lets the rest of us know it is a fun gun!:D They always miss spell it as california...not commieforniastan.

Kentuck
10-20-2007, 11:35 PM
If you take San Francisco and LA out of the equation, California isn't really much different than any other state. Lots of good down to earth folks but just like anywhere, the sqeeky wheels get all the attention.

KYBOY
10-21-2007, 05:15 PM
Dont worry, the idiots in California are going to keep breeding. In a few generations they will all have a I.Q of around 40. Sooner or later their gonna self-implode:D Then we can go in a restock with decent stock:p