Has anyone else noticed....

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

I've watched a ton of hunting video's over the summer and continue to do so and I keep seeing alot of -quartering to- shots being taken? I thought this shot was an absolute no no when hunting with a bow. However, time and time again it seems like there is atleast one -quartering to- shot being taken on every video I watch. Whats the deal with this shot?

[Multidigits]

Pressure to get a kill on camera. Very few ever show how many deer aren't found or how long of a tracking job it took to make the recovery.

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

I was wondering buddy, cause I see it all the time! I'm not a real experinced bow hunter (1st kill last year) but those guy's make it seem like it's a perfectly fine shot to take.

[longtimegone]

I see all kinds of crazy shots too. They dont seem to care too much do they.

[str8 shot]

yep its mostly because they need to get a kill on video and plus thats what they do for a living so they know when and when not too...but for me...nahh

[Docknboatlift]

When you have a whole entourage of camera persons and production assistants and ranch managers to help you track the critter down and basically farm raised deer to shoot at, who the hell cares if you take a bad shot?

That's why I have entirely given up the watching TV hunts game. It's a plain sack of crap and you would be well served to spend your time and money at the range and scouting before you spend a minute or a penny hoping to learn something from under the bowl of potato chips perched on your belly watching the tube.

Sorry how many I have offended, but that's the way I see it. It's all a sack of crap and I leave no "fair chase" TV cracker out of the blame. Want proof?

OK.

How many of these professional hunters make it a regular part of their show to explain how to properly clean the animal they just killed, maybe even going so far as to explain how the shot they just took properly, or maybe even errantly, took the animal down? And how to arrange to pack the animal out? Or how to use something other than a venison backstrap in the old lady's chili recipe....such as long bones, sinew, or hide? Only one time have I seen any time spent on blood trailing a poorly hit animal. I suppose they may have done a few more recently since the blood trailing magic lanterns are now all the rage with the "$40 will keep you from having to know how to hit what you aim at" marketing types. So surely someone has demonstrated how one flash of an ultraviolet LED will cause a carcus at the far end of the county to shoot up rescue flares. I don't know though, I haven't been watching.

My point? They are there to entertain you. They really don't know or care if you learn to smell the difference between sheetrock and shinola. If you want to be entertained, then so be it. But you will learn a lot more in two hours spent on this web site than you will gain in 24 hours of watching video canned hunts.

[Multidigits]

Maybe....but it's better than watching The View?

[str8 shot]

nope i think you took it entirely the wrong way there man

[NonTyp]

Multi hit the nail on the head! Lots of pressure on these guys to get kills on camera! It is not easy by no means but it doesn't make taking bad shots any better!

[Docknboatlift]

Maybe....but it's better than watching The View?

Anything is better than watching The View....LOL

....but reading Playboy isn't better than the real thing now is it?

[COOK871151]

Camera angle can play a lot of ticks on the people watching the video. I have video of hunts that I have been on that the angle looks bad, from the camera, but it isn't always so. These guys do have a lot of pressure to get the kill on camera though.

[Multidigits]

Multi hit the nail on the head! Lots of pressure on these guys to get kills on camera! It is not easy by no means but it doesn't make taking bad shots any better!


I can live with the bad shots, because in reality most hunters do the same thing when they see good deer they can't get just right on. What bugs me most is watching the big time money guys shoot the little bucks and then try to tell us how nice they are. Still better than The View though.

[kyblackmallard]

I don't know about that Elizabeth is smokin!!!!!

[Dennis]

What gets me is the way the camera always seems to be out in front of the hunter when he lines up for a shot..whats wrong with being behind the hunter ?

[ScentFree]

A lot of those shows are BS. I have a good friend you used to work at Red Hawk Plantation is south Ga. About 10 years ago Suzuki Great Outdoors wanted to film a hog hunt at the ranch with Dick Butkus (Chicago Bears Hall of Fame Linebacker) as the special guest. So a few nights before the filming my friend and some other guys went out and caught a hog. Then when the film crew arrived they were told to "dope" the hog so it would be slow and couldn't get away when they let it out of the cage. The filming of the show was a total load of crap. They spliced and edited the whole thing so it looked like a real hunt, when in reality the hog was so doped up it basically just gave up when the dogs surrounded it.

[Gobblergetter2.1]

I saw a woman give some kind of goat the texas heart shot on VS. a few weeks ago. Really suprised me that they would show it. The guide even said "You gave him the texas-heart-shot". Goat dropped in its tracks though!

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

When you have a whole entourage of camera persons and production assistants and ranch managers to help you track the critter down and basically farm raised deer to shoot at, who the hell cares if you take a bad shot?

That's why I have entirely given up the watching TV hunts game. It's a plain sack of crap and you would be well served to spend your time and money at the range and scouting before you spend a minute or a penny hoping to learn something from under the bowl of potato chips perched on your belly watching the tube.

Sorry how many I have offended, but that's the way I see it. It's all a sack of crap and I leave no "fair chase" TV cracker out of the blame. Want proof?

OK.

How many of these professional hunters make it a regular part of their show to explain how to properly clean the animal they just killed, maybe even going so far as to explain how the shot they just took properly, or maybe even errantly, took the animal down? And how to arrange to pack the animal out? Or how to use something other than a venison backstrap in the old lady's chili recipe....such as long bones, sinew, or hide? Only one time have I seen any time spent on blood trailing a poorly hit animal. I suppose they may have done a few more recently since the blood trailing magic lanterns are now all the rage with the "$40 will keep you from having to know how to hit what you aim at" marketing types. So surely someone has demonstrated how one flash of an ultraviolet LED will cause a carcus at the far end of the county to shoot up rescue flares. I don't know though, I haven't been watching.

My point? They are there to entertain you. They really don't know or care if you learn to smell the difference between sheetrock and shinola. If you want to be entertained, then so be it. But you will learn a lot more in two hours spent on this web site than you will gain in 24 hours of watching video canned hunts.


You make some great points man, but your assumption is way off. I don't watch hunting videos in an attempt to become a better hunter. I understand the crazy (maybe even unfair) advantages that pro hunters have but on the other hand I don't compare myself to them either. I watch the videos because it excites me to see monster deer being shot with arrows. For whatever reason, that excites me.... Even though I know they get paid for killing deer on camera it just surprises me that so many of them are willing to take an unethical shot when they know millions of outdoorsmen (us) will probably watch the shot.

[myghtyjoe]

I've watched a ton of hunting video's over the summer and continue to do so and I keep seeing alot of -quartering to- shots being taken? I thought this shot was an absolute no no when hunting with a bow. However, time and time again it seems like there is atleast one -quartering to- shot being taken on every video I watch. Whats the deal with this shot?
i shot one quartering towards me last year 13 yards...super nice deer..best i ever slung an arrow at, and did not find the deer, arrow passed through, good blood on entire arrow, white bubbles and all, waited 4 hours, good blood trail, then gone, nothing.... the dand deer even stopped on a trail and made a rub while bleeding, i wont make that mistake again, i've been sick ever since.

[notimlmit]

No dought some of these deer are found with dogs or not at all and they only film the part of the last few feet of finding the deer after they already found it, who knows may not even be the same deer sometimes. Pressure for entertainment is right

[maxcam]

Quartering too shots are lethal if you know what you are doing......I dont like em but if its all the animal gives me and the conditions are right Ill take it...........

You have to imagine the target you are trying to "deflate" is an oblong cone......Naturally the margin of error shooting the cone quartering away is larger than shooting at the narrow end first or quartering too......

I think alot of folks loose their concentration when they are about to take a shot......They relax after they have been able to draw back and "know" its game over before they release the arrow........If I could give anyone one piece of advice it would be to pick a spot as small as you can focus on once you settle in on a deer and try to watch that spot even after you release and never break your concentration the entire time......

[Multidigits]

There's one place you can't get an arrow through and that's what you'll be shooting at at that angle. The knuckle on the end of the front leg bone, under the blade can not be busted by any arrow....and will deflect most bullets. If you shoot at that angle, you have a tough time hitting both lungs. If you don't hit some other vital organ, it's a poor shot. I'd bet at least 50% of those deer shot at that angle are lost.

[raven_over_easy]

The straight on or quartering to shot has to be the lowest percentage shot you could take on a big game animal especially with archery equipment. This body angle presents the hunter with a much smaller and more narrow target area. I'm not saying it can't be done in a ethical manor but why not just wait for that broadside or slightly quartering shot? Many of the Pro TV hunters are not payed just to hunt but have alot riding in the form of sponsorships so they can hunt for a living. Much Like the Nascar drivers. Thats where the pressure comes from to "get it on tape."

I don't know about you guys but I ain't going to let the buck of a lifetime walk cause they ain't enough light for the camera yet!

[maxcam]

If you arent confident dont take it....... I have and know what will work and what wont.......

Dan Fitzgerald was probably the first to video deer being shot in unconventional spots......His advice is what I will share with everyone else....Know what you can do before you do it........

Anybody remember ol' Dan shooting a doe in the spine from the top of a split trunk birch tree that he tied the tops together in order to set a stand and the wind was blowing 30 mph? He called the shot before he took it too!

Of course he could hit targets from the back of a moving jeep shooting instinctive too!

[Multidigits]

Anybody can do it....only a lot of deer will die and not be recovered by doing it. No one said it wouldn't kill one at that angle, it's just not a high precentage shot based on trying to recover a deer/elk shot with only one lung being hit.

[pearsonbowhunter]

I've watched a ton of hunting video's over the summer and continue to do so and I keep seeing alot of -quartering to- shots being taken? I thought this shot was an absolute no no when hunting with a bow. However, time and time again it seems like there is atleast one -quartering to- shot being taken on every video I watch. Whats the deal with this shot?


I stoped watching them a few years ago they
could walk right up to those farm rasied deer
and pet them or whatever they wanted to
it would be hard to kill a PET deer or pay that kind of
money to hunt deer in a PEN.

[120+]

Maybe....but it's better than watching The View?

I've never watched the View but seen a few clips of it when Rosie was on there. I'd watch it if I could see someone taking a shot at her......even if she was quartering toward them.

[droptine]

I think alot of times the angle that we see is different than what the shooter takes. I like to watch alot of the videos, Drury,Primos,North American Whitetail and Deer and Deer Hunting.

[120+]

I think alot of times the angle that we see is different than what the shooter takes. I like to watch alot of the videos, Drury,Primos,North American Whitetail and Deer and Deer Hunting.

I don't think that's what most are referring to. Yes sometimes the camera is not at the same angle as the hunter but there is no doubt when you see the arrow coming in from a bad angle.

I think Multi, or whomever said it, hit the nail on the head. They are under pressure to get a kill on camera and won't let an animal walk even if the shot is not a good one.

[islandspeck]

I am not a big fan of the quartering too shot. However, I had a buddy up to the farm last weekend and he took that shot on a doe at 20 yards with the 2-blade rage. Entrance was behind the front shoulder with the exit hole being just in front on the back ham on the offside. He got the top of one lung at most. Deer ran 80-100 yards and expired. Before we looked for the deer he told me about the shot and I was disgusted and told him that deer would run for a mile. Deer ran 80-100 yards and expired. I'm still not a big fan of that shot, but I was very impressed with that broadhead. That broadhead will definitely improve your recovery on a marginal shot. just my .02

[BuckBuster]

I've seen a lot of these videos with bad shots & I know that if I had made that shot 99% of the time I would never be able to find that deer ( been there, done that). But on these shows they find a lot of them which leads me to believe that they have to be using trail dogs. It's always "a little far back or a little too high, but shouldn't be any trouble to find" - Yea right. Bring out the dogs. No problem with that, we just don't all have that luxury.

[BadDuck]

I guess I am the bad guy, I have taken shots and killed AND recovered many deer that were quartering to me. Its really not that hard.

[Xi Bowhunter]

The last deer I killed was facing me. I shot him in the chest and he didn't run 10 feet.

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

What do you do when that 160 inch 10 point sneaks up on you while your in the stand and he's about to enter that big thicket and be gone forever. Right before the thicket he stops one last time and offers you a quartering to shot at 30 yds ? What are you going to do ? What about the straight down shot ?

[maxcam]

What do you do when that 160 inch 10 point sneaks up on you while your in the stand and he's about to enter that big thicket and be gone forever. Right before the thicket he stops one last time and offers you a quartering to shot at 30 yds ? What are you going to do ? What about the straight down shot ?

Ill look at the deer as Im drawing my bow and murmur something like.....aw nah you SOB.....Then Ill pick a small spot depending on the angle weither I go in front of or behind the shoulder and Ill send a 425 grain ACC traveling 300 fps through the boiler room and listen to him bawl like a baby when it smacks him........I promise you when the 1 1/2 dia Sidewinder opens up and lays the razor sharp stainless steel across his lungs Ill hear him crash..........;)

[Al]

Ill look at the deer as Im drawing my bow and murmur something like.....aw nah you SOB.....Then Ill pick a small spot depending on the angle weither I go in front of or behind the shoulder and Ill send a 425 grain ACC traveling 300 fps through the boiler room and listen to him bawl like a baby when it smacks him........I promise you when the 1 1/2 dia Sidewinder opens up and lays the razor sharp stainless steel across his lungs Ill hear him crash..........;)
If you shoot behind the shoulder on a quartering to deer, thats a gut shot.
Would you take this shot with a bow?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/CDLAB/np4.jpg

[tf20]

I might give him another year

[deadaim]

If you shoot behind the shoulder on a quartering to deer, thats a gut shot.
Would you take this shot with a bow?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/CDLAB/np4.jpg

Nope I would not take that shot however from a treestand I have made this one a few times with a Bow with great results......
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/deadaim1967/whitetailbuck_a_033.jpg


However I would rather wait for this if possible........

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/deadaim1967/whitetailbuck_a_002.jpg

[Multidigits]

Maxi is good enough to double lung that buck from that angle. He knows the "art of deflection" from past experiences.

[BadDuck]

If you shoot behind the shoulder on a quartering to deer, thats a gut shot.
Would you take this shot with a bow?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/CDLAB/np4.jpg

YEP!

Hold just to the left of the bump in its shoulder. Will go down just like the Perfect boiler room" vital shot.

[Al]

YEP!

Hold just to the left of the bump in its shoulder. Will go down just like the Perfect boiler room" vital shot.
So then is that considered a neck shot?

What about this shot is it a good one or marginal one from a tree stand?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/CDLAB/np5.jpg

[Al]

Nope I would not take that shot however from a treestand I have made this one a few times with a Bow with great results......
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/deadaim1967/whitetailbuck_a_033.jpg


From a tree stand, where did you aim? Behind the shoulder blade just high of the center of the body? Or closer to the spine?

[Al]

So then is that considered a neck shot?

What about this shot is it a good one or marginal one from a tree stand?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/CDLAB/np5.jpg
Ok what about this? Is there a shot here?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/CDLAB/np6.jpg

[deadaim]

From a tree stand, where did you aim? Behind the shoulder blade just high of the center of the body? Or closer to the spine?
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/deadaim1967/whitetailbuck_a_033-1.jpg

My 70# bow 450 grain arrow and Muzzy Broadhead Ill take this shot.
I Dropped a doe last year with this shot right were she stood she expired in 30 seconds. I also shot a 8 point buck in 01 that went 10 yards. ( I keep a hunting log) I still want to add a disclaimer I would much rather wait for a broadside or quartering away shot its all about the angles.

This is cool http://www.bowsite.com/BOWSITE/FEATURES/ARTICLES/DEER/DEERGEOMETRY/

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

good link, fun game.

[buckstopper2]

Hey guys I don't want to make anybody mad but we need to understand that killing is not the most important thing about hunting and if you have to kill something to enjoy the great outdoors then you have a problem. I have passed up questionable shots on bucks and will again. The size of the deer doesn't make it ok to take a questionable shot. I would rather to let the deer walk without firing a shot as to shoot him and not be able to find him. Sorry if anyone gets mad this is how I feel.:):)

[etownhunter]

I've watched a ton of hunting video's over the summer and continue to do so and I keep seeing alot of -quartering to- shots being taken? I thought this shot was an absolute no no when hunting with a bow. However, time and time again it seems like there is atleast one -quartering to- shot being taken on every video I watch. Whats the deal with this shot?


The way i look at it, if your confident with a shot, take it. if not then dont.

[deadaim]

Ok what about this? Is there a shot here?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/CDLAB/np6.jpg

Could you kill the deer shooting right up the rear ? I would say it would be a quick kill from the ground. Would I take it heck no I wouldn't want to clean the deer or eat the meat YUK:eek:

[deadaim]

So then is that considered a neck shot?

What about this shot is it a good one or marginal one from a tree stand?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/CDLAB/np5.jpg

Marginal at best..............

[treedweller]

Hey guys I don't want to make anybody mad but we need to understand that killing is not the most important thing about hunting and if you have to kill something to enjoy the great outdoors then you have a problem. I have passed up questionable shots on bucks and will again. The size of the deer doesn't make it ok to take a questionable shot. I would rather to let the deer walk without firing a shot as to shoot him and not be able to find him. Sorry if anyone gets mad this is how I feel.:):)
I agree with you buckstopper... Its not about just killing...If the shots not right let the animal walk.