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AteUp
09-19-2007, 12:46 AM
Two arguments from differing sides and colors. Personally, I couldn't care less what color the players are on my favorite teams.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10359486/1

McNabb pulling the race card? How ironic ... and ridiculous

Sep. 18, 2007
By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
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Black quarterbacks look the same to me. Every last one looks like a guy who should be playing running back. Or defensive back. Or receiver. They look like anything but a quarterback, which used to be an all-white position and should have stayed that way.

Right, Donovan McNabb? That's what you think I'm thinking. That's what you think lots of people are thinking. We don't like black quarterbacks -- never have, never will. So implies McNabb, who went on HBO's Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel on Tuesday night and slapped the race card on the table.

The Eagles' McNabb said: "There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra. ... Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play this position, is low, so we do a little extra."

And McNabb said: "I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven (and critics say), 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this.' "

And of white Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning, McNabb said: "Let me start by saying I love those guys. But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

Granted, McNabb has reasons to be bitter. He plays in a vicious sports city where some of the dumber citizens have probably said racist things to him over the years. He was once attacked clumsily by Rush Limbaugh, who said McNabb was overrated but protected by media that "has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."

Limbaugh is the living, breathing, lying, painkilling proof of the difference between sounding smart and being smart. He talks fast and uses big words and can lead a group of lemmings over a cliff more effectively than George Wallace ever could.

But Limbaugh isn't smart. Can't be. To say what he said about McNabb in 2003, when McNabb was a dominant quarterback, was stupid. Limbaugh paid for it by losing his side gig with ESPN. America -- black America, white America, our America -- didn't tolerate his racial stupidity.

So why are we going to tolerate racial stupidity coming now from McNabb? Toleration in the name of entertainment allowed racist blowhards like Limbaugh and Don Imus to spew invective over the airwaves. But toleration in the name of political correctness has allowed white-bashing demagogues like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Sr. to inflame racially sensitive cases like the ones starring Tawana Brawley and Duke lacrosse.

You go ahead -- tolerate McNabb's comments. Or be like my colleague Mike Freeman and embrace McNabb's social commentary. Me, I'm calling McNabb on it. I'm calling it stupid. I'm calling it intellectually lazy. And I'm calling it cowardly.

His career is sinking, and instead of facing it head on, he pulled out that big, ugly race card and tried to hide his decade-worst 68.8 passer rating behind it.

McNabb is myopic. He thinks he has it rough? Try being Rex Grossman, the quarterback of the Chicago Bears, who gets ripped even as he is leading the Bears to the Super Bowl. The next two most critiqued quarterbacks in the NFL are probably the Jets' Chad Pennington and the Giants' Eli Manning. All three are white.

McNabb? He's old and fading, and judging from his HBO appearance, he's not taking it very well. In his own city, columnist John Smallwood called out McNabb in the Philadelphia Daily News on Tuesday. McNabb, Smallwood wrote, "is like a batter with warning-track power." The old McNabb "is gone." This McNabb "looks bad."

Will McNabb call Smallwood a racist? That would be ironic. Smallwood is black.

McNabb? He's weak. He says black quarterbacks have it rougher than white quarterbacks, and he says it in a way that makes my skin crawl: "They don't get criticized as much as we do."

Lovely. How nice and segregating. And how ridiculous. If it's so much more difficult being a black quarterback than a white one -- please stop chuckling, Grossman -- McNabb has to give us examples. Don't just sit there and say that nonsense with a smirk and assume we're going to nod along, because lots of us won't. Not any more.

Enough is enough. This isn't the 1970s, when Tony Dungy was moved to defensive back without getting a chance behind center, and when Warren Moon was having to start his Hall of Fame career in Canada.

This is 2007, and NFL teams and their fans just want to win. In Oakland, the Raiders have a white starting quarterback, Josh McCown, but a fan base that would prefer Daunte Culpepper or JaMarcus Russell, both black. The Raiders drafted Russell No. 1 overall instead of the other quarterback who ended his senior season presumed to be the likely first pick, Brady Quinn.

How far has the NFL come? The three cities with the largest redneck population -- I'm from Mississippi; I'm allowed -- employ black quarterbacks: In Jacksonville, the Jaguars had three black quarterbacks until releasing Byron Leftwich a few weeks ago. In Nashville, Vince Young is the franchise. And in Atlanta, the Falcons gave Michael Vick the biggest contract in NFL history and stood by him through several embarrassing off-field mistakes until he was charged with felony dogfighting. Joey Harrington replaced Vick, but on Tuesday the Falcons brought in Leftwich to compete for the starting job.

Teams no longer care about skin color. It's all about wins and losses, and if there's one color that transcends all others, it's green. In 2004, three of the four biggest contracts in the NFL went to black quarterbacks.

McNabb came in second at $115 million.

Must be awful to be that guy.

AteUp
09-19-2007, 12:49 AM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10359541

McNabb on the money: Black QBs have to be Twice as Good

Sep. 18, 2007
By Mike Freeman
CBSSports.com National Columnist
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There is no racism in America. None, zippo, not an ounce of it.

It doesn't exist. Gone is the 'R' word. We all hold hands and make love with our interracial faces and sing bi-racial songs of multiracial joy while snuggled safely in our Cabalanasian Womb of Harmony. Halle-racial-lujah.

Racism is dead, dude, so shut up. That will be the response from most people reacting to the comments from Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, including my esteemed colleague Gregg "Don't Call Me Malcolm X" Doyel.

Or in response to McNabb fans will say -- and I always love this one -- why do you people talk so much about race? (Based on some of the e-mail I receive, sometimes I think "You People" is my first name.) The notion that only African-Americans raise issues of race or do so disproportionately is the biggest of all lies. Whites discuss racial issues as much as blacks or any other ethnicity. (See: Clay Travis.)

But let's not forget there is no racism in America. Not a damn drop.

I've always liked McNabb and I appreciate him even more now. Good for him. Good for not doing what so many star black athletes do, which is make their millions while losing their soul, their ethnicity and their grasp on reality (see: Tiger Woods).

Good for McNabb, although, of course, as we all know, racism is a figment of the imagination.McNabb told HBO that African-American quarterbacks are held to a higher standard and face more pressure than white quarterbacks due to their scarcity. He added there are still people who don't want blacks playing the position.

Well, duh.

The issue of race and quarterbacks has received a thorough vetting over the past decades but this kind of refreshing honesty from an athlete makes me all warm and wet.

Read carefully what McNabb is saying. He is not talking about NFL teams being biased. He is not saying athletes don't get booed or should not be held to a higher standard. McNabb is saying something entirely different.

"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra.

"I pass for 300 yards. Our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb states.

Again, dead on. And so is McNabb's notion that the media is tougher on black quarterbacks than on players like Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning. "Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb said. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

Both players are great examples of McNabb's point. Until last year, Manning was a perennial playoff loser but still the recipient of love notes from most football writers and columnists.

I'm not saying Manning was never criticized. He was. It's that the criticism was rarely accompanied with the kind of venom and harshness that McNabb receives despite the fact Manning's choke jobs -- with far better talent around him -- were notorious and historical.

Palmer, despite an anemic playoff background, has received the kind of magnanimous love from the media I have rarely seen. Excuses are made for Palmer's lack of playoff appearances while hatchets are buried into the back of McNabb and some other black throwers who possess more success.

There are lots of nuances and tertiary cracks and crevices to this story. One of them is how some black quarterbacks like McNabb and Daunte Culpepper (when he was in Minnesota) are seen as too close to management while Brett Favre, Manning and others are not.

One of the greater double standards was the Jacksonville Jaguars at one point asking their former quarterback Byron Leftwich to take speech therapy lessons. I have seen plenty of white throwers who don't properly conjugate but are not asked to be linguists for the United Nations.

I love these kinds of stories because they shatter the false and even dangerous image that our country is some sort of racial utopia. Blacks and whites can look at the same portrait and see two totally different things. This issue is no different.

I know Ron Jaworski was also booed in Philadelphia, but if his name were Ron McNabb, the booing would have been fiercer. I know that brave pioneers like James Harris were treated far worse than McNabb, but that still does not negate McNabb's point.

Sometimes I hear the criticism of McNabb and you would think his name was Donovan Grossman. That is the core of McNabb's argument. That he sometimes gets a little extra shot to the sternum from fans and some in the media because of the color of his skin.

There is a biography of Condoleezza Rice called Twice As Good. The title refers to a common saying throughout the history of African-Americans. Blacks have to work twice as hard to be the equal of whites -- in the eyes of whites.

That is also McNabb's message. A bad throw by McNabb is seen as doubly errant to some whites.

Or the fact that the Eagles were one of the sorriest teams in football B.M. -- Before McNabb -- and is now a league power is more quickly forgotten.

But I'm wrong. We're a colorblind society. So never mind. My bad.

The following is what we will now hear in the wake of this story.

The blacks won't be happy until all quarterbacks are black. All blacks do is play the race card. Maybe if African-Americans pulled up their droopy pants there would be more black quarterbacks. Mike Freeman is part of the black KKK.

Did I miss anything?

Of course, I'm wrong.

Because there is no racism in America.

Not an ounce of it.

nwest
09-19-2007, 01:29 AM
I guess it goes for black columist too, Mike Freeman is a idiot.

MsgMills
09-19-2007, 05:40 AM
I guess it goes for black columnist too, Mike Freeman is a idiot.

Couldn't agree more...By the way I didn't know McNabb moved here from Africa...that's why he says he's an African-American, right? No he's a plain ole American just like you and I... I am part Cherokee Indian, Irish and German, but was born in America...So I'm an American 100%... You don't see me going around saying I'm an Cherokee-Irish-German-American every time someone asks me my ethnicity......So if your born in America, then your an American and nothing more...PERIOD>:cool:

nwest
09-19-2007, 06:54 AM
Or the fact that the Eagles were one of the sorriest teams in football B.M. -- Before McNabb -- and is now a league power is more quickly forgotten.




Thisw is my fav part, the eagles a powerhouse in the NFL:D, that is like saying Mills is a sports expert;)

Art
09-19-2007, 07:10 AM
I think of it like this.... There IS racism in this country BUT this is not a racist country and that goes for blacks as well as whites. It's a wasteful side road in life that you DO NOT have to travel if you choose not to.

I wonder what the percentage of athletes in pro sports are black vs. white? Would a racist country allow this to be so disproportionate? In a racist country, would we allow white kids to grow up idolizing black athletes and musicians?

People pull the race card for 2 reasons- To either get attention or to blame others for their own screw ups.

I feel like if someone is making MILLIONS of dollars to throw a football then they should expect and deserve to be criticized, that's the trade off for being rich and famous. Rather then accept the fact that it is related to their job and status in society, they blame others for the fact that they are not performing to the level to which they are expected and what they are paid for. What a joke.

MsgMills
09-19-2007, 07:51 AM
Thisw is my fav part, powerhouse Mills is a sports expert;)

Gosh nwest, thanks for the compliment...Even after i owned you in Fantasy Football this year so far.....:D:D:D

nwest
09-19-2007, 08:30 AM
Gosh nwest, thanks for the compliment...Even after i owned you in Fantasy Football this year so far.....:D:D:D


I was just making sure you was awake this mornin:p

maxcam
09-19-2007, 08:50 AM
I think Rush Limbaugh pointed out that Donovan McNabb was not as good as the media portrayed him to be several years ago. :rolleyes:

I also think you can look at past performances of Mr McNabb and can easily agreee that his best work is done with his momma eatin a bowl of Chucky Soup..........;)

2speed
09-19-2007, 10:17 AM
He had to play it thats all he has left......

Bray
09-19-2007, 04:48 PM
Not defending anyone, but FYI this interview was recorded weeks before the season even started.

maxcam
09-19-2007, 07:51 PM
Donovan McNabb has never had a QB rating over 105 and filter out 2004 when he had Terrell Owens to throw to and he seldom has a rating higher than 90. He has never been one of the top 4 QB's in the league at any given year.

Now stats may be biased but they are not racial.......McNabb is an average QB that had above average speed and agility but since the knee blow out his time is over in the NFL IMO.

KYBOY
09-19-2007, 08:36 PM
Another ploy by a either a over the hill,forgotten or usless celebrity to garner attention. What does "black QB's have to do more" even have to do with his slouching performance:rolleyes: If hes telling the truth then he's in the crapper even worse:D Since hes not living up to his expectations as a QB hes sure not living up to his expectations as a black QB:eek:....What a load of crap:p

nwest
09-19-2007, 11:05 PM
I atched a intervew on NFL network today htat he was backpeddling on. I never thought he was that bad a QB. It is not his fault his Gm cannot suply him with the proper weapons. THey had a few years whne they looked good, NFC champs blah blah blah. Then the fornt office stopped bringing in talent. Who does he have to throw the ball to now?

AteUp
09-19-2007, 11:25 PM
I couldn't have cared less about him before yesterday. Now, I'll root against him and his team (not that it makes any difference what I do). I reckon I won't be the only one in that respect. Who cares what color the QB is? I'm all for having the best player you can get at whatever position it is. It's absurd that he compares himself to Manning and Palmer. Manning is loved because he's a media darling who is really, really good and his team goes to the playoffs every year. Palmer is in Cincy (dying for success) and after a couple of years they are headed in the right direction. If in a few more years they bottom out, they'll be after Palmer too. The Eagles were good when McNabb was good. Neither were spectacular or that consistent, IMO.

maxcam
09-19-2007, 11:26 PM
I atched a intervew on NFL network today htat he was backpeddling on. I never thought he was that bad a QB. It is not his fault his Gm cannot suply him with the proper weapons. THey had a few years whne they looked good, NFC champs blah blah blah. Then the fornt office stopped bringing in talent. Who does he have to throw the ball to now?

I watched the game this weekend and he had several opportunities to throw to wide open recievers......Problem is he couldnt make the play! :rolleyes:

killinmammals
09-19-2007, 11:27 PM
He said that Manning doesn't get the crap that he does...well maybe because Manning is a MUCH better QB? I'm sick of hearing the race card crap...people at school were trying to pull it in a discusion and one guy said something like "you h(#kies are being racists" then all the black people agreed. I asked him what he had against being racist because he just made the only racist statement anybody had said...he shut up quickly. People are idiots

nwest
09-20-2007, 01:08 AM
I watched the game this weekend and he had several opportunities to throw to wide open recievers......Problem is he couldnt make the play! :rolleyes:


I missed the game so no comment, how much pressure was he getting from the pass rush?

maxcam
09-20-2007, 01:17 AM
I missed the game so no comment, how much pressure was he getting from the pass rush?

on the last drive of the game he had a reciever open in the right flat at the goal line and threw the ball about 6 yards wide of the reciever with no one near him to put any pressure on him......Then on fourth down after throwing it wide he throws one to the same reciever coming over the middle at the yard marker for a first down and throws it high and the DB was able to knock the ball loose.......Both passes were under 20 yards......:rolleyes:

maxcam
09-20-2007, 01:23 AM
Steve Young pointed out that he has no leverage off his back leg and his mechanics are bad due to his knee injury.....He was throwing balls way over the recievers head all game......

nwest
09-20-2007, 01:40 AM
Steve Young pointed out that he has no leverage off his back leg and his mechanics are bad due to his knee injury.....He was throwing balls way over the recievers head all game......

Well if htat is the case see ya bye donavan, put him on the unable to perform list and get a QB. I am by no means a eagles fan but he was a decent QB once upon a time.

maxcam
09-20-2007, 01:43 AM
The Eagles should have kept Jeff Garcia.........

AteUp
09-20-2007, 01:54 AM
The Eagles should have kept Jeff Garcia.........

Racist.:rolleyes:

Xi Bowhunter
09-20-2007, 09:46 AM
I think Rush Limbaugh pointed out that Donovan McNabb was not as good as the media portrayed him to be several years ago. :rolleyes:

I also think you can look at past performances of Mr McNabb and can easily agreee that his best work is done with his momma eatin a bowl of Chucky Soup..........;)
Rush is just as big of an Idiot as McNabb

perrymax
09-20-2007, 03:00 PM
Rush had it totally right about McNabb and they ran him off. Alot of black guys have heard people blaming white people for every problem they have all their life. I have no doubt they truely believe it all. Racist is racist, I don't care what color you are!

maxcam
09-20-2007, 04:46 PM
Rush is just as big of an Idiot as McNabb

Ummmm I dont see the EIB putting him on waivers anytime in the near future! :rolleyes:

Xi Bowhunter
09-20-2007, 09:33 PM
Ummmm I dont see the EIB putting him on waivers anytime in the near future! :rolleyes:
Excellence in Broadcasting my A$$

maxcam
09-20-2007, 09:53 PM
Excellence in Broadcasting my A$$

Well I do believe his broadcast reaches more radios across the country than does Air America so he must be doing something right!

George Soros is the one you need to start paying attention to Xi! He is a communist spending major bucks to influence elections in this country. He is against christianity, and pushes every socialist agenda you can think of.......

Xi Bowhunter
09-20-2007, 10:03 PM
Well I do believe his broadcast reaches more radios across the country than does Air America so he must be doing something right!

George Soros is the one you need to start paying attention to Xi! He is a communist spending major bucks to influence elections in this country. He is against christianity, and pushes every socialist agenda you can think of.......
Sorry, I am a religion minor in college so I don't think are views are anything alike. Nice try.

Xi Bowhunter
09-20-2007, 10:07 PM
How anybody listens to that babbling, arrogant, viagra-taking IDIOT is beyond me. The only time I listen is when I need a good LAUGH!

AteUp
09-21-2007, 03:54 AM
babbling, arrogant, viagra-taking IDIOT.

Sounds like half the posters at kentuckyhunting.net!:eek:

MsgMills
09-21-2007, 05:44 AM
I like listening to Rush.......But haven't for a long time....Not since I started listening to Bob & Tom........:D:)

Xi Bowhunter
09-21-2007, 03:53 PM
I like listening to Rush.......But haven't for a long time....Not since I started listening to Bob & Tom........:D:)
Now THAT is a good radio program!:D