CWD Live Animal Test

[BUCKHEAVEN]

Development of a Live-Animal Test for Detecting CWD in Elk
Until recently, there was no practical live-animal test for detecting CWD in elk. Collaborations among CSU, APHIS VS, the Agricultural Research Service, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, several private elk ranchers and NWRC scientists have yielded a rectal biopsy method for detecting CWD in infected elk that have not yet displayed CWD symptoms. The test is beginning to be used operationally by APHIS Veterinary Services and private elk ranchers.

[Willie]

Interesting....

What website can I see this at?

[BUCKHEAVEN]

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ws/nwrc/index.html

[NonTyp]

Lou, I hope this test will give the cervid farmers a little help combating the CWD disaster! Good news!

[scratch]

Does this test work on all age groups of animals ??

[BuckUp]

Awesome info. Buckheaven, glad to hear it!!!!!!

[BUCKHEAVEN]

Lou, I hope this test will give the cervid farmers a little help combating the CWD disaster! Good news!

What it will do is help the farmer determine if they have any sick animals thereby making commerce much easier.

The scientist are working on a vacine but thats in the future. Then the wild deer and elk can be treated along with the farm raised deer and elk.

[skin_dog1]

What it will do is help the farmer determine if they have any sick animals thereby making commerce much easier.

The scientist are working on a vacine but thats in the future. Then the wild deer and elk can be treated along with the farm raised deer and elk.
Commerce, is that all you are concerned with? How about the wild herds that were infected by your captive herds? Vacine's have never really solved any issues. There are many different flu vaccines, but we still get the flu every year. We can't solve CWD by medicating our wild herds!

[buckfever]

I don't understand why you're taking him to task over his post.

Commerce, is that all you are concerned with?

He only mentioned the word "commerce" with regard to farming practices. Nowhere did he say this was his only concern. There is no need to create a fight over his post.

How about the wild herds that were infected by your captive herds?

Wouldn't it be beneficial to design procedures to prevent this? Doesn't this do exactly that? Moreover, it's a little unfair to say "your" captive herd infected the wild herds when CWD doesn't exist here (at least not to our knowledge), and "his" wild herd hasn't infected anything.

Vacine's have never really solved any issues. There are many different flu vaccines, but we still get the flu every year. We can't solve CWD by medicating our wild herds!

Flu vaccines work against the strains for which they were designed. They do indeed work.

Ever hear of the polio vaccine?

CWD already exists in the wild. For the life of me, please explain how developing a live test to help eliminate the disease in captive herds and prevent further spreading could be a bad thing?

If you're against high fences on ethical grounds, that's understandable, but don't lambaste these guys just because they're discussing innovations in disease control that will help an industry that you don't like.

Getting upset over this development is like hoping America loses the war in Iraq, b/c you hate Bush.

[Al]

Buckfever its a spill over from the elk thread.

[BUCKHEAVEN]

I don't understand why you're taking him to task over his post.



He only mentioned the word "commerce" with regard to farming practices. Nowhere did he say this was his only concern. There is no need to create a fight over his post.



Wouldn't it be beneficial to design procedures to prevent this? Doesn't this do exactly that? Moreover, it's a little unfair to say "your" captive herd infected the wild herds when CWD doesn't exist here (at least not to our knowledge), and "his" wild herd hasn't infected anything.



Flu vaccines work against the strains for which they were designed. They do indeed work.

Ever hear of the polio vaccine?

CWD already exists in the wild. For the life of me, please explain how developing a live test to help eliminate the disease in captive herds and prevent further spreading could be a bad thing?

If you're against high fences on ethical grounds, that's understandable, but don't lambaste these guys just because they're discussing innovations in disease control that will help an industry that you don't like.

Getting upset over this development is like hoping America loses the war in Iraq, b/c you hate Bush.

It is also my understanding that a rabies type of vaccine is already used in the wild. Also the Kentucky cervid farmers are developing a vacine (self financed) for EHD and bluetongue disease wich is presently killing hundreds of deer in central and western Kentucky.

[WBBP]

It seems to me that a live test for CWD would be a great thing, regardless of a persons stance on cervid farming.

All this time we have spent arguing/fighting over cervid farmers/high fences, Fish and Wildlife Commissioners, LKS leadership, and baiting has been a waste of time. We would be bettter off if we spent our time on one issue like the lack of good hunting land available to sportsmen.

Not much else matters if you haven't got a place to hunt.

K

[Multidigits]

Agreed......but this post is dated and no doubt in the wrong section of this site, as it has NO practical use in the wild.....and Lou tells us that what goes on behind the fence isn't hunting.

[WBBP]

I am not sure that I agree it has no practical use in the wild. I could see a situation where a very small percentage of wild animals were darted/drugged and then tested for CWD. A little information is better than no information

I think any advances in science in regards to CWD are a plus.

Yes, it is in the wrong section, but I think you and I both know why it was put here. Shouldn't you be chasing gators instead of worrying about this stuff.

K

[WBBP]

Multi, one other thing.

Even if we disagree with high fence hunting/cervid farms, shouldn't we deal with "reality" in the sense that any science that can determine CWD in living deer and elk would lead to healthier cervids, regardless if they are wild or considered livestock.

1) cervid farms are here and operating
2) looks like they will be around for the future
3) scientific advances in developing a live CWD test could lead to other scientific advances that deal with wild animals.
4) we have more important fish to fry

K

[Multidigits]

I am not sure that I agree it has no practical use in the wild. I could see a situation where a very small percentage of wild animals were darted/drugged and then tested for CWD. A little information is better than no information

I think any advances in science in regards to CWD are a plus.

Yes, it is in the wrong section, but I think you and I both know why it was put here. Shouldn't you be chasing gators instead of worrying about this stuff.

K

Gators is next week. This "live" test, if it even exists will never be used in the wild. The number of cases int he wild are very few and cover a very wide range that it will be useless to try and isolate those few deer/elk from the healthy ones. IF it exists, it could be used to test live elk for future transport in elk restocking programs after the target elk are captured and readied for transport? That would make the private owned elk for restocking issue a moot point.

[predator]

It seems to me that a live test for CWD would be a great thing, regardless of a persons stance on cervid farming.

All this time we have spent arguing/fighting over cervid farmers/high fences, Fish and Wildlife Commissioners, LKS leadership, and baiting has been a waste of time. We would be bettter off if we spent our time on one issue like the lack of good hunting land available to sportsmen.

Not much else matters if you haven't got a place to hunt.

K

I agree 100%.

[WBBP]

So, it does have potential to be used on wild elk say in Canada that could be transported to say TN?

K

[Multidigits]

So, it does have potential to be used on wild elk say in Canada that could be transported to say TN?

K

Not wild....only in elk that have been captured.

It won't/can't be used in the wild to find infected animals before they might spread the disease to other animals.

[Papaw]

Yes there is live CWD test. New Mexico uses a live test on deer they started doing this when CWD was found on the White Sands proving grounds and to my knowledge this is their primary test as they did not want to kill the animal. There is also a live test for elk that is being used by elk farmers and tested waiting for final approval by usda/aphis. These test were founded by the Labs at Colorada State and the usda national lab in colorado.

[skin_dog1]

I don't understand why you're taking him to task over his post.



He only mentioned the word "commerce" with regard to farming practices. Nowhere did he say this was his only concern. There is no need to create a fight over his post.



Wouldn't it be beneficial to design procedures to prevent this? Doesn't this do exactly that?

Yes. It is beneficial to cervid farmers.


Moreover, it's a little unfair to say "your" captive herd infected the wild herds when CWD doesn't exist here (at least not to our knowledge), and "his" wild herd hasn't infected anything.

I was referencing the captive cervid industry which he is a part of. I never said his wild herd. I believe the wild herds belong to all of us.



Flu vaccines work against the strains for which they were designed. They do indeed work.

Ever wonder why there are hundreds of strains of the flu? is it possible the adapt to fight the vaccine? CWD Could well do the same thing, who knows. It's unreal to think about vaccinating millions of wild animals to prevent disease caused by captive herds.

Ever hear of the polio vaccine?

CWD already exists in the wild. For the life of me, please explain how developing a live test to help eliminate the disease in captive herds and prevent further spreading could be a bad thing?


If you're against high fences on ethical grounds, that's understandable, but don't lambaste these guys just because they're discussing innovations in disease control that will help an industry that you don't like.

Getting upset over this development is like hoping America loses the war in Iraq, b/c you hate Bush.




I'm ot at all upset about the development of the test. and Actually, I'm still a fan of bush. Just widh he'd get his head out of his ass when it comes to immigration!