Preseason Breakdowns

[KYhunter79]

#7- Louisville

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/co...144&CID=692519 (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=692519)

#38-Kentucky

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=684965
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I was looking for the one for Indiana, but apparently they aren't in the top 50. :(

It looks like UL's biggest weakness will be their secondary and UK's will be their offensive line.

[AteUp]

Louisville's biggest weakness may be Kragthorpe. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

[ryan hickey]

Louisville's biggest weakness may be Kragthorpe. We'll have to wait and see I guess.


i thought u UL guys liked this dude? just wondering why u say that?

[AteUp]

He's still an unknown. He hasn't proven anything on the sidelines yet. He's got pretty big shoes to fill.

[superrman77]

The rankings look right on to me. Kentucky will be lose 5 games if they lost 4 it would be awesome. I would love to see Kentucky beat the cards this year! I guess will see how good Brooks is as a coach.

[superrman77]

It will be tough for the Cards to beat WVU. What amazes me is they lose a head coach every other year and come back awesome. Imagine if Busch would have came back. Kentucky could be this good if they dumped some money into their program.

[MsgMills]

Been listening to the Joe B. & Denny Radio show almost daily. With their predictions and a lot of other Radio Broadcasts about the game between U of L and UK looks like a lot of people including myself have UK beating U of L in Football this year.

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

Bottom line- Kentucky will be a tough football team this year. Should be fun to watch.

[ryan hickey]

Bottom line- Kentucky will be a tough football team this year. Should be fun to watch.


well said...

[KYhunter79]

:) ........

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

:) ........


come on with it :D....

[MsgMills]

:) ........

Exactly what does your post mean....get finger cramps or something and couldn't type anything to say about how others are saying your Cards are not going to be as good as you'd like them to be this year? Or has your teams coach done and did something crazy and you don't like him now....

Come on you can tell us all, don't let the realization of U of L's down upcoming season hold you back from telling us how you'd like it to be.......:rolleyes:

We can all handle what you might like to say to us...we can take it, so let it go, don't hold back any longer, it might cause you to have a complex or something like that and be hospitalized or something along the lines of that you know......:cool:

Just spit it out will ya !!!!!!:D:):D

[ryan hickey]

:) ........



:D......:rolleyes:......:p.....:cool:

[Multidigits]

Exactly what does your post mean....


Cats got his tongue?

[KYhunter79]

Exactly what does your post mean....get finger cramps or something and couldn't type anything to say about how others are saying your Cards are not going to be as good as you'd like them to be this year? Or has your teams coach done and did something crazy and you don't like him now....

Come on you can tell us all, don't let the realization of U of L's down upcoming season hold you back from telling us how you'd like it to be.......:rolleyes:

We can all handle what you might like to say to us...we can take it, so let it go, don't hold back any longer, it might cause you to have a complex or something like that and be hospitalized or something along the lines of that you know......:cool:

Just spit it out will ya !!!!!!:D:)

I wish you had something else to talk about besides louisville, but....


I was looking for the one for Indiana, but apparently they aren't in the top 50.


;) I don't get what all the hate is about? Why can't people be happy that we have been a top 10 program the last couple years? I'm pulling for UK's football team. I hope they are undefeated in conference play. I've got too much stuff going on for the next couple days to get in a full fledge arguement. So, I'll just say we'll settle it on the field. But, by all means keep on with the trendy picks against the cards.;)

[ryan hickey]

I wish you had something else to talk about besides louisville, but....



;) I don't get what all the hate is about? Why can't people be happy that we have been a top 10 program the last couple years? I'm pulling for UK's football team. I hope they are undefeated in conference play. I've got too much stuff going on for the next couple days to get in a full fledge arguement. So, I'll just say we'll settle it on the field. But, by all means keep on with the trendy picks against the cards.;)


u mean u got no prediction?! c'mon 79, u can do better than this...:)

[MsgMills]

Ah, come on 79...Let's get with the program here and start defending your Cards better than your doing...

Plus have you all seen " UKDUCKS " signature line....It's awesome and 79 will really like it, as I know all UK fans will for sure......:D:D:D

[Tim T]

Here is my reply:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQz4FCUo0Zw&mode=related&search=

[KYhunter79]

Prediction:

UL-37
UK-17

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

NO way the cards D will hold our big play, pass heavy offense to 17 points at commonwealth. NO WAY....If you're a gamblin man '79 shoot me a PM, I will back my words up with last weeks pay check. Seriously.

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

Cards: 24

Cats: 31

[AteUp]

NO way the cards D will hold our big play, pass heavy offense to 17 points at commonwealth. NO WAY....If you're a gamblin man '79 shoot me a PM, I will back my words up with last weeks pay check. Seriously.


So you guys play better at home or something? Hadn't noticed.:eek:

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

Judging from history NO, but I know this years team, and they will be tough at commonwealth. I know how outsiders treat 'wait and see' predictions, but......wait and see. I'd be interested to see you're prediction Ateup.

[AteUp]

Brother, anybody can beat anybody on any given day. Nothing worse than thinking your gonna beat the snot out of somebody and nobody told the other team they were supposed to lose. Kind of like what happened a few years back when you guys whooped us on opening day and ruined our perfect season that everyone already had predicted.:eek:;)

[MsgMills]

Will be a really great game and I do believe UK will come out on top....Just seems like it is in the cards this year....At least Uk won't do the damage to your record in the 1st. game this year like they did a few years back.....:D

[AteUp]

Boy they sure got us this year, not having to play us in the first game and all. Sure was a big advantage for us???? Gives them more time to prepare.:rolleyes:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/terrygra/image002.jpg

[KYhunter79]

I'm not much of a gambling man. I don't believe much in putting my cash on the line for something that I have no control over. However, I am interested in what kind of bet you are trying to propose.

[buckfever]

Cards: 24
Cats: 31

NO way the cards D will hold our big play, pass heavy offense to 17 points at commonwealth. NO WAY....If you're a gamblin man '79 shoot me a PM, I will back my words up with last weeks pay check. Seriously.

If you want to bet kyhunter over his prediction, would you be willing to bet your last week's pay check on your own prediction?

I can line up a whole bunch of PM's to shoot to you if you'd care to bet that UK will win and score at least 31 points. ;)

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

Won't take that one buckfever! But I will bet you that UK WILL score more then 17 points! And I'd be GLAD to bet paychecks straight-up, cause mine would only be a fraction of yours lawyer man. ;):)

[KYhunter79]

It's EASY to make predictions, its hard to predict how many points each team will score or allow. Too many thing come into play. So, since UL has a new coach how many points will you give me?

[buckfever]

Won't take that one buckfever! But I will bet you that UK WILL score more then 17 points! And I'd be GLAD to bet paychecks straight-up, cause mine would only be a fraction of yours lawyer man. ;):)

I didn't say I would bet anything. I just said I would line you up with some PM's (with me getting the juice :D:D). Personally, I think the chances are better that the Cats will score at least 31 points than they are that they'll be held to 17 pts or under.

Neither outcome, however, would surprise me though.

[Multidigits]

It's EASY to make predictions, its hard to predict how many points each team will score or allow. Too many thing come into play. So, since UL has a new coach how many points will you give me?


Normally, the guy blowing off the most doesn't ask for points??? :confused:

[KYhunter79]

In this thread UL is an underdog. So why not? I was asked for my prediction.

[ryan hickey]

In this thread UL is an underdog. So why not? I was asked for my prediction.


and in your mind UL has never lost a game.;)


and u WERE asked for a prediction - where's it at?:confused:

[KYhunter79]

and in your mind UL has never lost a game.;)
and u WERE asked for a prediction - where's it at?:confused:

Prediction:

UL-37
UK-17

I don't even have a response to the first part of the post...UL has lost more than its share of games?

[ryan hickey]

sorry musta missed your post with your prediction here's mine


bears - 14

DITKA - 279

[AteUp]

Won't take that one buckfever! But I will bet you that UK WILL score more then 17 points! And I'd be GLAD to bet paychecks straight-up, cause mine would only be a fraction of yours lawyer man. ;):)

Saw this on another forum about UK's offense:

..against the seven best teams you played last year (UofL, Florida, South Carolina, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee & Clemson) your offense scored as follows: 28, 7, 17, 0, 24, 12, 28.

That's a 16.5 ppg avg.

[slickhead slayer]

Saw this on another forum about UK's offense:

..against the seven best teams you played last year (UofL, Florida, South Carolina, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee & Clemson) your offense scored as follows: 28, 7, 17, 0, 24, 12, 28.

That's a 16.5 ppg avg.

Flor and LSU were by far the best teams in the nation last year. They aren't comparable to UL, Tenn, Georgia, SC and Clemson.

[KYhunter79]

lol, here we go again.

[ryan hickey]

Saw this on another forum about UK's offense:

..against the seven best teams you played last year (UofL, Florida, South Carolina, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee & Clemson) your offense scored as follows: 28, 7, 17, 0, 24, 12, 28.

That's a 16.5 ppg avg.


yep, and IF ul played our schedule (and lets face it, they don't even come close) i don't think they would fare much better....



and yes '79, here we go again:);)

[KYhunter79]

I'm not even getting into it until we have a new debate. I've exhausted my responses to these debates. Go Loserville and go big least!!

[ryan hickey]

I'm not even getting into it until we have a new debate. I've exhausted my responses to these debates. Go Loserville and go big least!!



good point '79, this year is gonna be alot of fun i think - no matter how it turns out....:)

[KYhunter79]

Definitely. I'm amped and ready. I can't wait. I've been dreaming about college football. :D

[slickhead slayer]

lol, here we go again.

UL had a good team last year, but your crazy to think they were in the same hemisphere as Flor and LSU. UK scored 28 on UL, we scored 7 combined against Flor and LSU.
UL needed Rutgers to lose to play in the Orange bowl. They then went and barely beat a bad Wake Forest. Ul had a good team last year, they weren't close to the caliber of Flor and LSU though.

[MsgMills]

Here's my thinking on the Top 25 picks...

U of L gets selected as a Top 10 team and wins several games and wins when the Big teams lose, so of course they move up in the standings as the Top Dogs fight with each other and of course they must drop because they lost. So of course U of L moves into the Top 5 and now is in contention of a Bowl game only by virtue of Say Ohio State beating Michigan. But let's say Boise State has the great season they had and are put in as a Top 10 team just like U of L was....

Boise State goes undefeated and winds up as a Bowl Team as well, but U of L didn't jump into the Top 25 until about the 4th week. They to go undefeated, but still only manage to make it as high as say 14th place in the standings by the end of the year. So since they didn't move up any further than 14th. place, they can't even be considered for a Bowl Team.

So given that if a team does indeed get selected into the top 10 at least, a team will have a great chance of being a Bowl Team if they only lose say 1 game. But a team that starts out in say 20th place or not even in the Top 25 and goes undefeated, it is highly unlikely that this team will ever get a chance at a Bowl game, since they have so many spots to climb in the rankings...

So does U of L have a great chance of making a Bowl game again this year, of course they do. If they start out in the Top 10 or as high as # 7, then they have a even greater chance of doing it. Since they are playing in the Big East and the Conference is as weak as it is, they should have no problem of getting to the top again. But say they start out as a Top 25 team and in 23rd place. Even if they go undefeated for the season with all the teams ahead of them lose and win like they usually do. They will not get high enough in the standings to qualify for a Bowl game.... This same scenario happens each year, if you have been watching the standings each year as the games are played and the Rankings are posted.

Not bashing U of L too much, but just showing how the BCS is done in my own opinion...

[KYhunter79]

UL will start out in the top 10.

[maxcam]

"It is not where one starts that is as important as where one finishes " Grasshoppa.............

[KYhunter79]

I find it pretty entertaining that is has resulted to how the teams in our conference would fair against UL. Because god knows UK can't get the job done.

[buckfever]

UL had a good team last year, but your crazy to think they were in the same hemisphere as Flor and LSU. UK scored 28 on UL, we scored 7 combined against Flor and LSU.
UL needed Rutgers to lose to play in the Orange bowl. They then went and barely beat a bad Wake Forest. Ul had a good team last year, they weren't close to the caliber of Flor and LSU though.

I think you're overstating how good Fla and LSU were last year. I agree with you that both were probably better than UofL in a very general sense, but it's hard to legitimately argue that UofL was completely outclassed by them when UofL ended up ranked what, 5th?

I think UofL could've competed with either of those teams last year. Last year, UofL seemed to play up (or down) to the level of their competition. If they played both Fla and LSU 10 times, I think they would've hung a loss on each of them somewhere between 2-4 times. If both teams were playing at their best, I don't think UofL could beat them though. Until they beat Ohio State, Fla was very suspect. They played an awesome game against OSU, but they struggled against a bunch of other teams including a very mediocre UT.

Many thought LSU was the better team. Close call on that, but LSU also showed some serious inconsistencies last year, especially on offense (see LSU 6 - Auburn 3 game).

The Big East isn't even close to being as good as the SEC top to bottom. . . . .but the fact remains that UK still struggles with self-esteem issues. It doesn't have to bootstrap its legitimacy on the backs of other programs (i.e. "We're better that UofL, b/c we play in the SEC"). UK's body of work last year proved that UK could play with most schools in the country. It suffered lopsided defeats at LSU and UofL. While the LSU game was a true spanking, UK didn't come to play at all, but it triggered a solid turnaround for UK. Once UK got its act together, they were a team to be reckoned with. I bet the UofL game would've been a helluva lot closer if it was played in the last couple of games of the season.

IMO, UK needs to get an 8-3, 9-2 season this year under its belt. If that happens, UK will be able to pronounce "We've got a good and growing football program" instead of simply relying on the "We're good, b/c the rest of the SEC is good" routine.

[slickhead slayer]

I think you're overstating how good Fla and LSU were last year. I agree with you that both were probably better than UofL in a very general sense, but it's hard to legitimately argue that UofL was completely outclassed by them when UofL ended up ranked what, 5th?

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Yeah, and what did Ohio St end up? 3rd I believe. So the team that finished 2 spots ahead of Louisville got absolutely pummeled, humiliated and owned by Flor when they played.
UL didn't even beat one good team last year, how can you say they would beat Flor?:confused: As far as them playing up to their competition, they barely beat a bad Wake forest team in the biggest game in their history. I just don't see any evidence that UL was that good last year. Where is the evidence?

As far as UK going 8-3,9-2, ain't going to happen. They play UL,Flor, LSU, Tenn, Georgia, South Carolina, and Arkansas. No way they win 5 of those 7 games or even 4 of the 7. 7-5 would be a good year for them with their schedule.

[buckfever]

Yeah, and what did Ohio St end up? 3rd I believe. So the team that finished 2 spots ahead of Louisville got absolutely pummeled, humiliated and owned by Flor when they played.
UL didn't even beat one good team last year, how can you say they would beat Flor?:confused: As far as them playing up to their competition, they barely beat a bad Wake forest team in the biggest game in their history. I just don't see any evidence that UL was that good last year. Where is the evidence?


Pointing to one game is silly. For example, Florida and UofL played one common opponent, which interestingly enough was UK (neither game was played at Commonwealth Stadium).

Florida beat UK 26-7. That's a 19 pt difference for those that are bad at math. Florida had 514 total yards to UK's 249 yards.

UofL beat UK 59-28. That's 31 points. UofL had 631 yards to UK's 260.

Based on their performance against this one common opponent, one could reasonably argue that UofL was better (which I'm not doing).

UofL beat Wake 24-13. Wake beat Fla St 30-0. Florida had to come from behind and only beat Fla St. 21-14.

Look, I'm not trying to claim that UofL is the greatest team ever to grace a football field, but arguing that there's no evidence that they were "good" last year is ridiculous.

UofL played 8 teams that went bowling last year and beat 7. If you're gonna hang your hat on your SEC hook as the only thing that matters, so be it, but doing so defies all objectivity:

UofL thrashed Ks State which beat Texas and went to a bowl.
Trounced UK which went on to win a bowl
Beat West Virginia by 10 (bowl team).
Thumped Miami (although lousy by Miami standards still won their bowl).
Beat Cincy which went to a bowl.
Beat S. Florida which went to a bowl.
Lost to Rutgers which went to a bowl.
Beat ACC champ WFU in the Orange Bowl

I'm not trying to argue that UofL is better than Florida or LSU, because from top to bottom, they weren't, but I definitely think they could've competed with either of those schools and had the talent to beat them on any given day.

If the power conference stuff always held true, a team like Boise State would never have beaten Oklahoma last year. Oklahoma was really a one loss team (they got robbed at Oregon on an officiating miscue). Boise State had played NOBODY. Yet, when they played head to head, Boise State won.

[slickhead slayer]

Pointing to one game is silly. For example, Florida and UofL played one common opponent, which interestingly enough was UK (neither game was played at Commonwealth Stadium).

Florida beat UK 26-7. That's a 19 pt difference for those that are bad at math. Florida had 514 total yards to UK's 249 yards.

UofL beat UK 59-28. That's 31 points. UofL had 631 yards to UK's 260.

Based on their performance against this one common opponent, one could reasonably argue that UofL was better (which I'm not doing).

UofL beat Wake 24-13. Wake beat Fla St 30-0. Florida had to come from behind and only beat Fla St. 21-14.

Look, I'm not trying to claim that UofL is the greatest team ever to grace a football field, but arguing that there's no evidence that they were "good" last year is ridiculous.

UofL played 8 teams that went bowling last year and beat 7. If you're gonna hang your hat on your SEC hook as the only thing that matters, so be it, but doing so defies all objectivity:

UofL thrashed Ks State which beat Texas and went to a bowl.
Trounced UK which went on to win a bowl
Beat West Virginia by 10 (bowl team).
Thumped Miami (although lousy by Miami standards still won their bowl).
Beat Cincy which went to a bowl.
Beat S. Florida which went to a bowl.
Lost to Rutgers which went to a bowl.
Beat ACC champ WFU in the Orange Bowl

I'm not trying to argue that UofL is better than Florida or LSU, because from top to bottom, they weren't, but I definitely think they could've competed with either of those schools and had the talent to beat them on any given day.

If the power conference stuff always held true, a team like Boise State would never have beaten Oklahoma last year. Oklahoma was really a one loss team (they got robbed at Oregon on an officiating miscue). Boise State had played NOBODY. Yet, when they played head to head, Boise State won.

I think anytime someone uses bowl teams as their evidence, it proves the point. All kinds of teams go to bowls. Terrible teams go to bowl games, that proves nothing. As I pointed out in the other thread, Miami didn't finish the regular season with a winning record, and they went to a bowl. Yet your using that as evidence for your cause. I am sure you have an actual legal term for it, but in summary, it means....if you don't have any credible evidence, use whatever is out there. In this case, there is no actual evidence to show UL was good, so your using bowl stats.
Give me a good team that UL beat????? Name me one school that finished the season in the top 1o that UL beat EVER!!!!!!!!!! UL has NEVER in their history beat a team that finished in the top 10.
WV was supposed to be UL's toughest competition, and after losing to UL lost to Cincinnati?:rolleyes:
You guys claim they can play with Flor and LSU etc etc, but have NEVER ever beat a top tier team.

[KYhunter79]

Slickhead you are rediculous.

Just give up, buckfever.

[buckfever]

I think anytime someone uses bowl teams as their evidence, it proves the point. All kinds of teams go to bowls. Terrible teams go to bowl games, that proves nothing. As I pointed out in the other thread, Miami didn't finish the regular season with a winning record, and they went to a bowl. Yet your using that as evidence for your cause. I am sure you have an actual legal term for it, but in summary, it means....if you don't have any credible evidence, use whatever is out there. In this case, there is no actual evidence to show UL was good, so your using bowl stats.
Give me a good team that UL beat????? Name me one school that finished the season in the top 1o that UL beat EVER!!!!!!!!!! UL has NEVER in their history beat a team that finished in the top 10.
WV was supposed to be UL's toughest competition, and after losing to UL lost to Cincinnati?:rolleyes:
You guys claim they can play with Flor and LSU etc etc, but have NEVER ever beat a top tier team.

According to last year's RPI ratings, UofL ended the season at #2 behind Florida. They played 7 teams in the Top 50 and 9 in the Top 60. They beat the No. 10 team, WVa. Their overall strength of schedule was 21st, which apparently must be awful. :rolleyes:

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

It seems to me to be oddly contradictory to claim that UK won a Nat'l Championship in 1950 b/c Sagarin said they did in 1994 or whenever, but you ignore those same computer rankings when they apply to UofL.

I'm not even close to being a big-time UofL fan, but your argument is so jaded by your anti-UofL sentiment that you have no objectivity.

[buckfever]

And oh yeah, I forgot to add this to my last post. UofL beat WVa last year, which ended up at No. 10 in the final AP and Coach's Poll.

[slickhead slayer]

According to last year's RPI ratings, UofL ended the season at #2 behind Florida. They played 7 teams in the Top 50 and 9 in the Top 60. .

Top 60????? Are you serious? When you have to point to how many bowl teams they played, and how many teams in the top 60 they played, thats my point. Flor played 7 teams in the top 20, not the top 60.

I think UL had a good team last year, but I don't think they could play with Flor, and I don't think they had a shot at the NC like all the fans thought pre-season. I think they play a very weak schedule.

I am done here, add buckfever to the list of cardinal lovers.

[buckfever]

Top 60????? Are you serious? When you have to point to how many bowl teams they played, and how many teams in the top 60 they played, thats my point. Flor played 7 teams in the top 20, not the top 60.

Sorry, Florida did NOT play 7 teams in the Top 20. In fact, they played exactly 4 teams in the Top 20 if you include Ohio State (LSU, Auburn, Arkansas and Ohio State). ;) UofL played 3 (WVa, Rutgers, and Wake).

Tougher schedule than UofL? Sure, there's no question about it.

Does this make Florida some kind of pro team? Hardly, they lost to Alabama.

[slickhead slayer]

Sorry, Florida did NOT play 7 teams in the Top 20. In fact, they played exactly 4 teams in the Top 20 if you include Ohio State (LSU, Auburn, Arkansas and Ohio State). ;) UofL played 3 (WVa, Rutgers, and Wake).

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The final BCS standings also list Tenn in the top 20, so thats 5.