Jesse Jackson arrested

[raktrakr]

:D:D
http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/jesse-jackson-arrested-at-demonstration/20070623221709990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

[carpenterguy]

it's about time!! now if only they would keep him there for 5 or 10 years:D

[Tim T]

Quick, someone steal the keys and throw them in the lake before he gets released!:)

[MsgMills]

Funny thing is, I believe that if he ever did hard time, someone that really didn't like him would take him out with a shiv. Too good too be true I know......:)

[Art]

What a moron. Sure Jesse, it's the guns fault that gang members are shooting each other. I bet if gang member didn't have this gun shop in their "hood" then they would not be able to get guns, and rather than shooting eachother and selling drugs they would be building playgrounds and being good parents to their children. Damn gun shops, they are the root cause of all gang activity. These are otherwise upstanding citizens who have been turned evil by the gun shop.

They need to arrest Jackson for being a fool and not putting blame where it belongs, on the gang bangers. The gun shop owner is probably white.:rolleyes:

[killinmammals]

you can bet the owner is white. Just what church is Rev. preach at???!!! Lock him up and throw away the key! Sorry S.O.B.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Now if they could just get Al Sharpton we would be making some REAL headway.

[Multidigits]

Now if they could just get Al Sharpton we would be making some REAL headway.

Dang, you shouldn't talk bad about your fellow Democrats like that :confused:

[KYBOY]

I can suggest some "accomidating" cell mates for him. Im sure they would get along great:D

[Xi Bowhunter]

Dang, you shouldn't talk bad about your fellow Democrats like that :confused:
Not all people in the democratic party think like him mister "blinded by the republican light":)

[Multidigits]

Not all people in the democratic party think like him mister "blinded by the republican light":)

No, for sure. They just vote like him and wish for the same outcome as him.

[Xi Bowhunter]

No, for sure. They just vote like him and wish for the same outcome as him.
I'm just glad your party is so holy and just so I can have something to strive for:rolleyes:

[KYBOY]

I'm just glad your party is so holy and just so I can have something to strive for:rolleyes:
Its good to have goals in life:D

[Xi Bowhunter]

Its to have goals in life:D
Without goals I have nothing:)

[KYBOY]

I agree..I subscribe to this theory..
"You have to take life by the throat, and then you choke it until it spits up what you want"

[C.L.Button]

Without goals I have nothing:)

PATIENCE TOO ! ;)

[carpenterguy]

I'm just glad your party is so holy and just so I can have something to strive for:rolleyes:

looks like another great signature line if i may say so:D i'll have to remember that one. couldn't have said it any better

[killinmammals]

I try not to make goals for myself...that way I don't let myself down when I don't reach them!:D

[Xi Bowhunter]

PATIENCE TOO ! ;)
C.L., I know EXACTLY what you mean:)

[kyfanatic]

Jackson and his gang are nothing more than glorified extortionist's. The whole bunch of them have blackmailed business' and the American Public for years,all the wussy politicians that have bowed down to them just to get the black vote should be publicly hung for treason.

[MsgMills]

Not to mention that " Not one of the SOB's, Jackson, Sharpton and the rest " have made an open public apology to the "DUKE LaCrosse Players and their Coach" for all the accusations they accused when the stripper was Supposedly gang raped by the players................

I got no use for any of the Slime Balls......I wouldn't waste the cost of Bullets to put trash like them out of the Publics view........

[treerat]

my 2 cents,,,,sharpton and jackson are always sticking their noses where they don't need to be,,,they are to stupid to realize they are causing more problems then good,,,

[rjgoud01]

What a moron. Sure Jesse, it's the guns fault that gang members are shooting each other. I bet if gang member didn't have this gun shop in their "hood" then they would not be able to get guns, and rather than shooting eachother and selling drugs they would be building playgrounds and being good parents to their children. Damn gun shops, they are the root cause of all gang activity. These are otherwise upstanding citizens who have been turned evil by the gun shop.

They need to arrest Jackson for being a fool and not putting blame where it belongs, on the gang bangers. The gun shop owner is probably white.:rolleyes:

The man never wanted to ban guns. He in fact is a gun owner. I dont agree with a lot he says, but he has done a lot of positive things. He knows that some business are predatory, in that they will open and prey on a certain population group. Like how pawn shops, cash advances, liquor stores, strip clubs, porn shops are all grouped in certain areas. I know that I have to drive several miles to get to a Liquor Barn store, but in downtown Louisville there is a liquor store on every other corner. Removing things like that or making them harder to get would help. Jesse Jackson does things to get noticed on a national stage. That's the only way to get things done is to get people to see you good or bad. People have been doing it for years. Time to light the match. The real reason majority of people dont like Jesse Jackson and many others is simple Racism. We are supposedly a civilized society but people still discriminate against others because of color. And if you ask someone why, they really cant give you a solid answer. The qualities they dont like about a certain race can usually be found in one of the family members or friends. What
type of behavior can you expect from majority of minorites. A long time ago, some group of idiots said lets take a bunch of boats and go to Africa, kidnap a bunch of people and bring them back as slaves. Then later some people say this is not good we need free the slaves, so there free. Well some people dont like that so they say lets kill them, hang them burn them and so on. The people say thats not right, but we still dont want them to do what we can do. Now were an advanced civilization and after all that we tell them to catch up with us. Yeah right are you kidding me! Its the same thing with Mexicans, I heard farmers say they hate them and there infesting the U.S., but every year they hire a gang of them to work the farm for half of mininmum wage. People are unbelievable these days. Thats why I like to hunt and fish so I can get into nature and forget what the worlds really like.

[carpenterguy]

well does everyone have their popcorn ready??:D cuz it's gonna get ugly now:eek::D

[kyfanatic]

The man never wanted to ban guns. He in fact is a gun owner. I dont agree with a lot he says, but he has done a lot of positive things. He knows that some business are predatory, in that they will open and prey on a certain population group. Like how pawn shops, cash advances, liquor stores, strip clubs, porn shops are all grouped in certain areas. I know that I have to drive several miles to get to a Liquor Barn store, but in downtown Louisville there is a liquor store on every other corner. Removing things like that or making them harder to get would help. Jesse Jackson does things to get noticed on a national stage. That's the only way to get things done is to get people to see you good or bad. People have been doing it for years. Time to light the match. The real reason majority of people dont like Jesse Jackson and many others is simple Racism. We are supposedly a civilized society but people still discriminate against others because of color. And if you ask someone why, they really cant give you a solid answer. The qualities they dont like about a certain race can usually be found in one of the family members or friends. What
type of behavior can you expect from majority of minorites. A long time ago, some group of idiots said lets take a bunch of boats and go to Africa, kidnap a bunch of people and bring them back as slaves. Then later some people say this is not good we need free the slaves, so there free. Well some people dont like that so they say lets kill them, hang them burn them and so on. The people say thats not right, but we still dont want them to do what we can do. Now were an advanced civilization and after all that we tell them to catch up with us. Yeah right are you kidding me! Its the same thing with Mexicans, I heard farmers say they hate them and there infesting the U.S., but every year they hire a gang of them to work the farm for half of mininmum wage. People are unbelievable these days. Thats why I like to hunt and fish so I can get into nature and forget what the worlds really like.

You should really learn your history junior,the reeducation brainwashing you get in school these days really got to you didn't it?
Fact one is most African Tribes fought amongst themselves and the victor sold the losers as slaves to ship merchants looking to make big $$$. It wasn't the White folks running to Africa from here to capture those folks at all. There was White slavery long before the African game. Thousands of Scotch-Irish were sold into slavery,wonder when they'll get their Freedom center and official apology from our scamming Govt.? Racism has little to do with peoples hate of Jesse The Con Artist Jackson and his Extortion Gang,but everything to do with his playing the race card to swindle corporations and govt out of $$$$$. If things are so terrible here one only need go live in Sudan,Ethiopia,or other "Minority" run country to see.

By the way those "Predatory" businesses you speak of must include UDF (United Dairy Farmers),Walmart,K-Mart,and a host of others that Jackson extorted money out of to prevent a "Black" boycott.

I'd also like to know how moving a liquor store out into suburbia would prevent the urban trash from getting it? Did Prohibition teach you nothing?

[westkybanded]

He knows that some business are predatory, in that they will open and prey on a certain population group. Like how pawn shops, cash advances, liquor stores, strip clubs, porn shops are all grouped in certain areas. I know that I have to drive several miles to get to a Liquor Barn store, but in downtown Louisville there is a liquor store on every other corner.

That's NOT predatory... Don't you think that the liquor store owners would like to have stores in the burbs? Who wouldn't?

It's zoning. It's not based on race. Certain businesses operate where they can. Historically, the folks on zoning boards don't come from low income, low educated areas. They don't run for office. They rely on smart folks like you to keep em safe. When the latest XXX bookstore rolls into town, and wants to open a store down from your house, are you gonna let it? No. You're also not going to throw away that tax revinue for the city. You're going to let them operate where the least fuss is put up. Downtown. Now, if the city government were run by minorities, they may or may not run the store out to your neighborhood. It's not racism, it's politics.

As far as check cashing joints go, there are laws in place to limit the ammount they can charge in interest. They used to be a predatory business, but now cater to a segment of society that banks would rather not associate with. I did a little bit of field collection (knocking on doors and taking tv's) for one of these businesses. It was in Metropolis Ill, and about 75% of the calls I had to make were across the bridge in Paducah in poor black neighborhoods about 15 miles away in another state. They exhaust all the stores in one town, and go to the next. Nobody would accuse them of being predatory in that manner. If they refused loans to people from those neighborhoods, or even from Paducah, then they are "Red Lineing" their loans which is very illegal.

[Rabbit Runner]

The man never wanted to ban guns. He in fact is a gun owner. I dont agree with a lot he says, but he has done a lot of positive things. He knows that some business are predatory, in that they will open and prey on a certain population group. Like how pawn shops, cash advances, liquor stores, strip clubs, porn shops are all grouped in certain areas. I know that I have to drive several miles to get to a Liquor Barn store, but in downtown Louisville there is a liquor store on every other corner. Removing things like that or making them harder to get would help. Jesse Jackson does things to get noticed on a national stage. That's the only way to get things done is to get people to see you good or bad. People have been doing it for years. Time to light the match. The real reason majority of people dont like Jesse Jackson and many others is simple Racism. We are supposedly a civilized society but people still discriminate against others because of color. And if you ask someone why, they really cant give you a solid answer. The qualities they dont like about a certain race can usually be found in one of the family members or friends. What
type of behavior can you expect from majority of minorites. A long time ago, some group of idiots said lets take a bunch of boats and go to Africa, kidnap a bunch of people and bring them back as slaves. Then later some people say this is not good we need free the slaves, so there free. Well some people dont like that so they say lets kill them, hang them burn them and so on. The people say thats not right, but we still dont want them to do what we can do. Now were an advanced civilization and after all that we tell them to catch up with us. Yeah right are you kidding me! Its the same thing with Mexicans, I heard farmers say they hate them and there infesting the U.S., but every year they hire a gang of them to work the farm for half of mininmum wage. People are unbelievable these days. Thats why I like to hunt and fish so I can get into nature and forget what the worlds really like.
You are 100% correct!!! Jesse Jackson is such a racist!:eek: That is why everyone doesnt like him! Him and his gang take something that normally happens and puts a big racist spin on to make it look like white people hate black people when race really had nothing to do with what happened. That is exactly why I dont like him:mad:! He is just wanting the almighty dollar by playing the race card.
Yes racism still exists in America and it is because of clowns like him:mad:

As for the farmer comment. You have no idea what your talking about..NONE!!! 95% of farmers dont hire illegal mexicans to work they use mex. with a work visa and have to pay them 9 something an hour and give them room and board. TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

You need to get your facts straight!

[rjgoud01]

Yes, this is exactly what I wanted a discussion. Do you see how if slightly change the wording you can get a reaction and start a discussion.

www.innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html (http://www.innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade : Check out section "why african slaves" and "source of slaves"

First of all, KYFANATIC if two neighborhoods went to battle and one won and decided to capture all the people from the losing side and make them slaves. Then you came along and purchased these slaves. What would you call yourself: a fine connoissuer of people or a second hand kidnapper? Simple economics, demand created supply. This pricipal also applies to your liquor store theory. I didnt say move them into suburbia, just cut down the number per square mile. Go to Liquor Barn at 9:00 pm and then go to a liquor store in the inner city at the same time and see who is doing more business. I gurantee you the store owners are more than happy with their location and the amount of business they are doing. Terms you use like extortion and blackmail, as well terms like leverage are all detailed words that you have to learn in the politician playbook. Government officials and politicians off all colors are some of the most low down, dirty dealing people on the planet. You cant just single out the ones in the limelight.

If you dont believe the company's I talked about are predatory you need to do some serious explaining. Cash advances may have a cap on interest but the rates are in the double digits. For most people the interest is so much about that it forces them to take out a new advance week after week. If thats not predatory I dont know what is. Pawn shops do the same thing. They will loan a person just enough that they think they can pay it back but enough to force them to take out more loans or eventually lose their property. Not to mention how much stolen stuff they take in. How do you think they get so much merchandise. These type of businesses cater mainly (NOT IN ALL SITUATIONS) to certain population segment and are part of the problem.

As far as farmers and immigrant workers. I personally growing up cut tobacco on several farms during the summer for extra money. The farmers I worked much less knew the Mexicans names. And new ones would appear periodically throughout the summer. I heard from farmers mouth the 2 to 3 would be working to get the wage I made. A lot of times they were paid in cash and house in conditions I wouldnt put a rat in. Rabbit Runner there is no way in Hades 95% of farmers hire legal workers. If thats the case what are the thousands of Mexican flooding across the border everyday doing, working at Wal-mart. No there doing agricultural work and other low level under the radar jobs across the U. S.

Im not just pulling all this out of my butt!

[Rabbit Runner]

Yes, this is exactly what I wanted a discussion. Do you see how if slightly change the wording you can get a reaction and start a discussion.

www.innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html (http://www.innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade : Check out section "why african slaves" and "source of slaves"

First of all, KYFANATIC if two neighborhoods went to battle and one won and decided to capture all the people from the losing side and make them slaves. Then you came along and purchased these slaves. What would you call yourself: a fine connoissuer of people or a second hand kidnapper? Simple economics, demand created supply. This pricipal also applies to your liquor store theory. I didnt say move them into suburbia, just cut down the number per square mile. Go to Liquor Barn at 9:00 pm and then go to a liquor store in the inner city at the same time and see who is doing more business. I gurantee you the store owners are more than happy with their location and the amount of business they are doing. Terms you use like extortion and blackmail, as well terms like leverage are all detailed words that you have to learn in the politician playbook. Government officials and politicians off all colors are some of the most low down, dirty dealing people on the planet. You cant just single out the ones in the limelight.

If you dont believe the company's I talked about are predatory you need to do some serious explaining. Cash advances may have a cap on interest but the rates are in the double digits. For most people the interest is so much about that it forces them to take out a new advance week after week. If thats not predatory I dont know what is. Pawn shops do the same thing. They will loan a person just enough that they think they can pay it back but enough to force them to take out more loans or eventually lose their property. Not to mention how much stolen stuff they take in. How do you think they get so much merchandise. These type of businesses cater mainly (NOT IN ALL SITUATIONS) to certain population segment and are part of the problem.

As far as farmers and immigrant workers. I personally growing up cut tobacco on several farms during the summer for extra money. The farmers I worked much less knew the Mexicans names. And new ones would appear periodically throughout the summer. I heard from farmers mouth the 2 to 3 would be working to get the wage I made. A lot of times they were paid in cash and house in conditions I wouldnt put a rat in. Rabbit Runner there is no way in Hades 95% of farmers hire legal workers. If thats the case what are the thousands of Mexican flooding across the border everyday doing, working at Wal-mart. No there doing agricultural work and other low level under the radar jobs across the U. S.

Im not just pulling all this out of my butt!
Sounds like it to me! How long has it been since you worked on a farm. I grew up on tobacco also and I raise it for myself now. I have never seen a mexican working for less than min. wage. I didnt say it doesnt happen but not as often as you think. You probably drive and see a field with mexicans in it and automatically think their illegal and getting paid $1 an hour, and it is just the opposite most of the time. The labor dept. really cracked down on farmers using illegals.

[Josh7.62x54]

I thought Jesse Jackson's "Holy" image would have been ruined after he cheated on his wife. Its amazing how his dirty little secrets disappear from the media's spot light.

[slickhead slayer]

I love the term "predator business". With these views I can see why your a big Jesse Jackson fan.
Your liberal views and the views of people like Jesse Jackson are the problem with this country.
Its the liqour stores fault for the man being a drunk, its the check cashing places fault for being broke, its the pawn shops fault for....etc etc etc. Blah, blah, blah. BS.

You could put a liquor store in my front yard, I still wouldn't become an alcoholic, you could put a check cashing place in my backyard, I still wouldn't become indebted, etc etc etc.
Stop blaming individuals problems on corporations, businesses and outside factors. If a guy is an alcoholic, its because he CHOOSES to be an alcoholic, not because a liquor store is conveniently close to him.

Not liking jesse Jackson has nothing to do with race, thats just another one of your convenient copouts. He is a con artist, a liar, a fraud and a racist.
I thought once people found out that money supposed to be going to poor blacks was going to pay off his pregnant mistress, that even then people would see what a fraud he is. The fact that people like you still adore him, shows the gulibility of his followers.
The man knows his followers as a whole are ignorant, and he capitalizes on that fact. he does more harm to blacks than any white person I know.

[rjgoud01]

[quote=slickhead slayer;429554]I love the term "predator business". With these views I can see why your a big Jesse Jackson fan.
Your liberal views and the views of people like Jesse Jackson are the problem with this country.
Its the liqour stores fault for the man being a drunk, its the check cashing places fault for being broke, its the pawn shops fault for....etc etc etc. Blah, blah, blah. BS.

You could put a liquor store in my front yard, I still wouldn't become an alcoholic, you could put a check cashing place in my backyard, I still wouldn't become indebted, etc etc etc.

That's what Im talking about, your missing the point. I could give a rat's arse about Jackson. His problem just lead into a good debate. I understand people make their own choices, but you have to understand something. I was fortunate enough to be raised by caring parents and taught how to function in civilized society. This is not the case for all Americans. Before you say I was from a broken home and I turned out fine, I know this is the case sometimes. But the majority of the time minorities in inner city settings dont turn out this way. Most of them have no positive influences, no goals and so on. This leads to a life of drugs, crime and so on. A liberal view would be to say we need to address the families of these people and create programs to help. I am not saying this, I think you need to cut out the things that allow them continue in a negative lifestyle. While in college I volunteered in the Boy's and Girl's in the city and talked many kids. You would be surprised how the mind of an unsupervised, barely cared for child works. What type of adult do you think this person makes. If for the majority of your childhood you weren't told what was right or wrong and not to do this or that and nobody cared. And you just saw drugs, crime and violence around you all the time, how would turn out. You think this type of person can make good decisions everyday, then your full of BS. You dont come out of the womb knowing how to make the right choices. Most everything you learn is taught. Your teacher may have been a caring parent, uncle, grandmother, etc while someone elses was the neighborhood drug dealer. If Im so far off the wall suggest to me how you would go about helping the problem. All I heard is how crazy I am, NO SOLUTIONS.

[ryan hickey]

2 questions really,

1. who is this guy?:confused:

2. how long til this one gets locked?:confused:


grabbing pocorn now....:)

[Multidigits]

[quote=slickhead slayer;429554]I love the term "predator business". With these views I can see why your a big Jesse Jackson fan.
Your liberal views and the views of people like Jesse Jackson are the problem with this country.
Its the liqour stores fault for the man being a drunk, its the check cashing places fault for being broke, its the pawn shops fault for....etc etc etc. Blah, blah, blah. BS.

You could put a liquor store in my front yard, I still wouldn't become an alcoholic, you could put a check cashing place in my backyard, I still wouldn't become indebted, etc etc etc.

That's what Im talking about, your missing the point. I could give a rat's arse about Jackson. His problem just lead into a good debate. I understand people make their own choices, but you have to understand something. I was fortunate enough to be raised by caring parents and taught how to function in civilized society. This is not the case for all Americans. Before you say I was from a broken home and I turned out fine, I know this is the case sometimes. But the majority of the time minorities in inner city settings dont turn out this way. Most of them have no positive influences, no goals and so on. This leads to a life of drugs, crime and so on. A liberal view would be to say we need to address the families of these people and create programs to help. I am not saying this, I think you need to cut out the things that allow them continue in a negative lifestyle. While in college I volunteered in the Boy's and Girl's in the city and talked many kids. You would be surprised how the mind of an unsupervised, barely cared for child works. What type of adult do you think this person makes. If for the majority of your childhood you weren't told what was right or wrong and not to do this or that and nobody cared. And you just saw drugs, crime and violence around you all the time, how would turn out. You think this type of person can make good decisions everyday, then your full of BS. You dont come out of the womb knowing how to make the right choices. Most everything you learn is taught. Your teacher may have been a caring parent, uncle, grandmother, etc while someone elses was the neighborhood drug dealer. If Im so far off the wall suggest to me how you would go about helping the problem. All I heard is how crazy I am, NO SOLUTIONS.


The SOLUTION would be to offer all of them a free trip....too any other country of their choosing, as long as it's a one-way no return trip....ever. They are a drain on society that adds up to more than what the trip would cost. Get them somewhere they would be happy, which is nowhere, but they don't know that yet.

And I'm still glad this turkey, and Rosie and Hillary are still icons of the Democratic party......oops, almost forgot, Micheal Moore too. Dang....forgot Rev. Coleman in Louisville too. Any reason all these duds are Democrats??????

[Bray]

[quote=slickhead slayer;429554]I love the term "predator business". With these views I can see why your a big Jesse Jackson fan.
Your liberal views and the views of people like Jesse Jackson are the problem with this country.
Its the liqour stores fault for the man being a drunk, its the check cashing places fault for being broke, its the pawn shops fault for....etc etc etc. Blah, blah, blah. BS.

You could put a liquor store in my front yard, I still wouldn't become an alcoholic, you could put a check cashing place in my backyard, I still wouldn't become indebted, etc etc etc.

That's what Im talking about, your missing the point. I could give a rat's arse about Jackson. His problem just lead into a good debate. I understand people make their own choices, but you have to understand something. I was fortunate enough to be raised by caring parents and taught how to function in civilized society. This is not the case for all Americans. Before you say I was from a broken home and I turned out fine, I know this is the case sometimes. But the majority of the time minorities in inner city settings dont turn out this way. Most of them have no positive influences, no goals and so on. This leads to a life of drugs, crime and so on. A liberal view would be to say we need to address the families of these people and create programs to help. I am not saying this, I think you need to cut out the things that allow them continue in a negative lifestyle. While in college I volunteered in the Boy's and Girl's in the city and talked many kids. You would be surprised how the mind of an unsupervised, barely cared for child works. What type of adult do you think this person makes. If for the majority of your childhood you weren't told what was right or wrong and not to do this or that and nobody cared. And you just saw drugs, crime and violence around you all the time, how would turn out. You think this type of person can make good decisions everyday, then your full of BS. You dont come out of the womb knowing how to make the right choices. Most everything you learn is taught. Your teacher may have been a caring parent, uncle, grandmother, etc while someone elses was the neighborhood drug dealer. If Im so far off the wall suggest to me how you would go about helping the problem. All I heard is how crazy I am, NO SOLUTIONS.

This is why I don't like democrats. Lol. You have to understand that people are their own masters. If you take a drunk and give him a million dollars he is still a drunk. Will he want to stop drinking because he is a millionaire and all of his problems are solved. No, he will just drink more becuase he can buy more. It is not societies responsibility to fix everyones problems.

People have problems. Wether they fix them is up to them. We are endevored by our creator the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. We are not gauranteed any of them.

Your ideas are nothing more than socialism. FYI, it doesn't work, it failed in the past and will fail in the future. Those whom you defend and potray as innocent victims are infact a drain on the system. Those who live in the innercity do so because of the choices they make. There are people feeding on the system every month that make more than I do. What is to keep me from dropping out of College, forgetting about working and contributing, and have a paid vacation for the rest of my life, PRIDE. It's something alot of people lack.

[slickhead slayer]

[quote=slickhead slayer;429554]I love the term "predator business". With these views I can see why your a big Jesse Jackson fan.
Your liberal views and the views of people like Jesse Jackson are the problem with this country.
Its the liqour stores fault for the man being a drunk, its the check cashing places fault for being broke, its the pawn shops fault for....etc etc etc. Blah, blah, blah. BS.

You could put a liquor store in my front yard, I still wouldn't become an alcoholic, you could put a check cashing place in my backyard, I still wouldn't become indebted, etc etc etc.

That's what Im talking about, your missing the point. I could give a rat's arse about Jackson. His problem just lead into a good debate. I understand people make their own choices, but you have to understand something. I was fortunate enough to be raised by caring parents and taught how to function in civilized society. This is not the case for all Americans. Before you say I was from a broken home and I turned out fine, I know this is the case sometimes. But the majority of the time minorities in inner city settings dont turn out this way. Most of them have no positive influences, no goals and so on. This leads to a life of drugs, crime and so on. A liberal view would be to say we need to address the families of these people and create programs to help. I am not saying this, I think you need to cut out the things that allow them continue in a negative lifestyle. While in college I volunteered in the Boy's and Girl's in the city and talked many kids. You would be surprised how the mind of an unsupervised, barely cared for child works. What type of adult do you think this person makes. If for the majority of your childhood you weren't told what was right or wrong and not to do this or that and nobody cared. And you just saw drugs, crime and violence around you all the time, how would turn out. You think this type of person can make good decisions everyday, then your full of BS. You dont come out of the womb knowing how to make the right choices. Most everything you learn is taught. Your teacher may have been a caring parent, uncle, grandmother, etc while someone elses was the neighborhood drug dealer. If Im so far off the wall suggest to me how you would go about helping the problem. All I heard is how crazy I am, NO SOLUTIONS.

Lets say your correct, that minorities are usually born without both parents, and without good influences, and without people teaching them right and wrong.
Then why doesn't Jackson and his other cronies, preach in the black neighborhoods about fathers staying with their families, girls getting on birth control? Why doesn't he protest in the black neighborhoods about the injustice that is involved in alot of minorities not working? Why doesn't he challenge the minorities to change? To stop having unwanted children time after time, to continue taking drugs, to continue a life of crime, to continue to be unemployed, to continue to drop out of school, etc etc etc. Why doesn't he protest outside of drug houses, prostitutes, etc etc?
Because his intent is not to help blacks, his intent is to make money, and seek power for himself.
He spent all that money protesting on the Duke rape case, regardless of the evidence that was suggested. He protested the Ky derby one year because they didn't employ enough blacks, even though the stats showed they employed alot more blacks than their percentage in the population.

We here in Louisville have our own version of Jesse, his name is Louis Coleman, and like Jackson isn't interested in changing things for the better of the blacks, he just wants to be on TV.
he protest anything and everything that has to do with blacks. he has protested every single killing of black men by police in the last ten years.
He isn't concerned that the last three killing by police involved a man shooting at police, one who was currently stabbing a police why he was shot and another who was shot while hitting two cops with his car.
All three were drug related. Does he ever encourage blacks to stop the drug usage and drug trade, which is what is resulting in their deaths? Does he ever encourage young black males not to shoot at, stab and run from police? Nope, nope,Nope.
That would be addresing the problem, and he, like jackson is not intersted in addressing the problem.

[KYCatBirdHunter]

Let's not put Jesse Jackson in the same league as the TRUE black leaders of the sixties and seventies. Men like Dr. King and Malcolm X changed the atmosphere. They gave the black community pride in themselves and in turn caused them to WORK for what they wanted. The message then: If you want something bad enough, work for it. Nothing's fair unless you make it fair.

The message now: You want something bad, ask for it. Then if you don't get it, make a fool out of yourself, and scream and stomp (don't worry about dignity, you won't be needing it), until it's given to you by someone who knows you don't deserve it, but just wants you to shut up.

[deadaim]

Let's not put Jesse Jackson in the same league as the TRUE black leaders of the sixties and seventies. Men like Dr. King and Malcolm X changed the atmosphere. They gave the black community pride in themselves and in turn caused them to WORK for what they wanted. The message then: If you want something bad enough, work for it. Nothing's fair unless you make it fair.

The message now: You want something bad, ask for it. Then if you don't get it, make a fool out of yourself, and scream and stomp (don't worry about dignity, you won't be needing it), until it's given to you by someone who knows you don't deserve it, but just wants you to shut up.


I will agree with this......

[Al]

Let's not put Jesse Jackson in the same league as the TRUE black leaders of the sixties and seventies. Men like Dr. King and Malcolm X changed the atmosphere. They gave the black community pride in themselves and in turn caused them to WORK for what they wanted. The message then: If you want something bad enough, work for it. Nothing's fair unless you make it fair.

The message now: You want something bad, ask for it. Then if you don't get it, make a fool out of yourself, and scream and stomp (don't worry about dignity, you won't be needing it), until it's given to you by someone who knows you don't deserve it, but just wants you to shut up.
Let it go on the record, this is one of the few times I agree with you KyCatBirdHunter.

[rjgoud01]

[quote=Multidigits;429572][quote=rjgoud01;429569]


The SOLUTION would be to offer all of them a free trip....too any other country of their choosing, as long as it's a one-way no return trip....ever. They are a drain on society that adds up to more than what the trip would cost. Get them somewhere they would be happy, which is nowhere, but they don't know that yet.

Thanks for showing your true colors, I knew this would be a suggestion at some point in time. Great solution let me call the travel agency and start booking the trips now. Yeah right! This is the type of thinking that makes things even worse. Dont forget to pass that onto any kids you know so you can pollute their mind too.

If anybody thinks minorities are the majority draining the gov't welfare system you need to really check your stats and see who is doing it.

Im one of the nicest people you will meet and I would do anything for someone who needed it of any color. Im not even a minority, but when I express a different view, people try to railroad me into being crazy or a sympathizer. I dont support nor sympathize them but I know somethings got to be done. And hatred and inconsideration wont do it.

[Multidigits]

[quote=Multidigits;429572][quote=rjgoud01;429569]


The SOLUTION would be to offer all of them a free trip....too any other country of their choosing, as long as it's a one-way no return trip....ever. They are a drain on society that adds up to more than what the trip would cost. Get them somewhere they would be happy, which is nowhere, but they don't know that yet.

Thanks for showing your true colors, I knew this would be a suggestion at some point in time. Great solution let me call the travel agency and start booking the trips now. Yeah right! This is the type of thinking that makes things even worse. Dont forget to pass that onto any kids you know so you can pollute their mind too.

If anybody thinks minorities are the majority draining the gov't welfare system you need to really check your stats and see who is doing it.

Im one of the nicest people you will meet and I would do anything for someone who needed it of any color. Im not even a minority, but when I express a different view, people try to railroad me into being crazy or a sympathizer. I dont support nor sympathize them but I know somethings got to be done. And hatred and inconsideration wont do it.


Yep, me too....except for the ones protesting in the streets daily because we aren't giving them enough. Hopefully, Jackson is on the first boat you book up.

[Al]

[quote=Multidigits;429572][quote=rjgoud01;429569]


The SOLUTION would be to offer all of them a free trip....too any other country of their choosing, as long as it's a one-way no return trip....ever. They are a drain on society that adds up to more than what the trip would cost. Get them somewhere they would be happy, which is nowhere, but they don't know that yet.

Thanks for showing your true colors, I knew this would be a suggestion at some point in time. Great solution let me call the travel agency and start booking the trips now. Yeah right! This is the type of thinking that makes things even worse. Dont forget to pass that onto any kids you know so you can pollute their mind too.

If anybody thinks minorities are the majority draining the gov't welfare system you need to really check your stats and see who is doing it.

Im one of the nicest people you will meet and I would do anything for someone who needed it of any color. Im not even a minority, but when I express a different view, people try to railroad me into being crazy or a sympathizer. I dont support nor sympathize them but I know somethings got to be done. And hatred and inconsideration wont do it.
I havent gone back and read this thread but if your trying to defend Jackson than you are very ignorant and misinformed.
Jessie Jackson is a extortionest, and a media whore. The only cause hes intrested is keeping his billfold full,and the pot stirred.
Somebody like Bill Cosby though deserves to be listened to.

[westkybanded]

[quote=rjgoud01;429569]


The SOLUTION would be to offer all of them a free trip....too any other country of their choosing, as long as it's a one-way no return trip....ever.

We tried that once. Look up Liberia in Africa. What a mecca that turned into...

Kid, as far as the check cashing places using high interest, they HAVE to do that for a reason... It's not because banks won't lend to these folks because of their race.. It's because they have no jobs and or bad credit. The check cashing places do provide a service that banks won't. They have to protect their own interests, and by doing so, must charge higher interest rates. It's just like getting a home loan. Someone with a good credit history gets a better interest rate than someone with poor credit... Is that predatory?

Pawn shops are shady for the most part. They're a great place to find a deal on a gun every now and then. Does stolen merchandise get sold there? Of course. Do pawn shops open up for the purpose of buying stolen goods? Lord no! They are set up as a last resort stop for people with no other options.

Your idea about limiting the # of liquor stores per square mile isn't practical. They can be ZONED into certain areas, but if you reduce the #'s you are just playing favorites to the ones already there... Unless you want to limit the ammount of product that they are allowed to carry....

OOOOHH!! How about we give out rations on booze! That way those poor inner city folks wouldn't be burdoned with trading their food stamps and social security money for liquor. Keep em' sober, get them working, and educated, and in office, and we'll have a tranquil society!!

HORAY!!! Someone hurry up and nominate me for a Nobel..

[carpenterguy]

2 questions really,

1. who is this guy?:confused:

2. how long til this one gets locked?:confused:


grabbing pocorn now....:)

yes popcorn is the answer... just sit back and enjoy the show:D

[slickhead slayer]

Let's not put Jesse Jackson in the same league as the TRUE black leaders of the sixties and seventies. Men like Dr. King and Malcolm X changed the atmosphere. They gave the black community pride in themselves and in turn caused them to WORK for what they wanted. The message then: If you want something bad enough, work for it. Nothing's fair unless you make it fair.

The message now: You want something bad, ask for it. Then if you don't get it, make a fool out of yourself, and scream and stomp (don't worry about dignity, you won't be needing it), until it's given to you by someone who knows you don't deserve it, but just wants you to shut up.

I also agree with this. The diiference, those men strived for equality and to improve the black race, Jackson cares nothing for the black race, and actually hinders them.

[Multidigits]

I'm trying to figure out how Malcolm X gave the black people something to look up to????? Was that while he was in prison for Grand Larceny or while he was high on drugs or while he was in front of a crowd inciting vilonce against the white majority or when he was on a pilgrimage to join the Sunni muslims or when he avoided the draft by telling the docs that he couldn't wait to start killing whites with his fellow black brothers or was it when he was gunned down by his peer on orders from Islam?

If he was an icon for todays black people, maybe we now know one of the problems those folks are suffering from.

[BiggerBuck]

Yes, this is exactly what I wanted a discussion. Do you see how if slightly change the wording you can get a reaction and start a discussion.

www.innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html (http://www.innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade : Check out section "why african slaves" and "source of slaves"

First of all, KYFANATIC if two neighborhoods went to battle and one won and decided to capture all the people from the losing side and make them slaves. Then you came along and purchased these slaves. What would you call yourself: a fine connoissuer of people or a second hand kidnapper? Simple economics, demand created supply. This pricipal also applies to your liquor store theory. I didnt say move them into suburbia, just cut down the number per square mile. Go to Liquor Barn at 9:00 pm and then go to a liquor store in the inner city at the same time and see who is doing more business. I gurantee you the store owners are more than happy with their location and the amount of business they are doing. Terms you use like extortion and blackmail, as well terms like leverage are all detailed words that you have to learn in the politician playbook. Government officials and politicians off all colors are some of the most low down, dirty dealing people on the planet. You cant just single out the ones in the limelight.

If you dont believe the company's I talked about are predatory you need to do some serious explaining. Cash advances may have a cap on interest but the rates are in the double digits. For most people the interest is so much about that it forces them to take out a new advance week after week. If thats not predatory I dont know what is. Pawn shops do the same thing. They will loan a person just enough that they think they can pay it back but enough to force them to take out more loans or eventually lose their property. Not to mention how much stolen stuff they take in. How do you think they get so much merchandise. These type of businesses cater mainly (NOT IN ALL SITUATIONS) to certain population segment and are part of the problem.

As far as farmers and immigrant workers. I personally growing up cut tobacco on several farms during the summer for extra money. The farmers I worked much less knew the Mexicans names. And new ones would appear periodically throughout the summer. I heard from farmers mouth the 2 to 3 would be working to get the wage I made. A lot of times they were paid in cash and house in conditions I wouldnt put a rat in. Rabbit Runner there is no way in Hades 95% of farmers hire legal workers. If thats the case what are the thousands of Mexican flooding across the border everyday doing, working at Wal-mart. No there doing agricultural work and other low level under the radar jobs across the U. S.

Im not just pulling all this out of my butt!

Awesome.
You are right, I agree.

[kyfanatic]

Awesome.
You are right, I agree.
And who forces these people to buy liquor,guns,drugs,or use high interest check cashing places? I grew up as poor as anybody you'll find but was taught to be clean,honest,and love my family.

The root of the problem is in the minorities family groups themselves,they have fatherless children being raised by women with several kids all by different fathers and none give a crap about either. If you want to help so bad go teach them how to live like a human being not animals.I've seen things far worse than most in an inner city can imagine and it didn't cause me to smoke crack,steal,and shoot fellow humans. NO EXCUSE.

If you are such a hunter ,you are sure down on farmers whom allowe you to hunt and grow the food that your inner city hereos eat,what are you going to eat Pidgeons? Many farmers donot use Mexicans to start with,so quit classifying them into one big group.Are all blacks the same? My complaint with Hispaniocs crossing the border by the millions is they are flooding our schools,hospitals,jails,and social programs unfairly over burdening the American Taxpayers.Plus illegally breaking the sanctity of our borders while transporting guns,drugs,and terrorists into our country only to make your complaint worse. Is that what you want?

Calling people names for what they believe is as bad as being a racist flipped backwards,reverse racism is far more prevelant than you will admit,and handing blacks everything they want to justify something that happened 100 years ago is WRONG too.Teach them to earn what they get like I did.Teach them to act like a human instead of their cousins in Somalia.
Malcom X was trash,if that's a Black Hero then you are sick.

[Al]

I'm trying to figure out how Malcolm X gave the black people something to look up to????? Was that while he was in prison for Grand Larceny or while he was high on drugs or while he was in front of a crowd inciting vilonce against the white majority or when he was on a pilgrimage to join the Sunni muslims or when he avoided the draft by telling the docs that he couldn't wait to start killing whites with his fellow black brothers or was it when he was gunned down by his peer on orders from Islam?

If he was an icon for todays black people, maybe we now know one of the problems those folks are suffering from.
If thats true then I retract my agreement with KyCat. I knew it was too good to be true that we might agree on something:)

[KYCatBirdHunter]

I disagree about Malcolm X. At the time he was in, inciting violence against his oppressors was absolutely the right thing to do. What would YOU have done?

How many times on here have people said something to the effect of "Take my freedoms away, and I'll take your life...?" Same thing here. Back then, their freedoms were being taken. Also, if I were black during Vietnam, there's no way you could've gotten me to go. Why fight for a country that doesn't honor your personal liberty?

[westkybanded]

I'm trying to figure out how Malcolm X gave the black people something to look up to????? Was that while he was in prison for Grand Larceny or while he was high on drugs or while he was in front of a crowd inciting vilonce against the white majority or when he was on a pilgrimage to join the Sunni muslims or when he avoided the draft by telling the docs that he couldn't wait to start killing whites with his fellow black brothers or was it when he was gunned down by his peer on orders from Islam?


Dr. King was arrested quite a few times as well.

His prison stint was before he entered the spotlight as a leader of the black community. Yes he was a rhetoric spewing rabble rouser, but if you want to look back at our nation, that's exactly what our founders were too. He catered to a portion of the population that had to be prodded into action. If you were raised as a black man during those times, I'm sure you would have been nearly drawn to violence yourself. Not good times for our friends of color.

The fact that he was muslim should have nothing to bear on this conversation whatsoever. Muhammad Ali used a muslim cop out to get out of service and I don't hear anyone talking about him. Just following the muslim faith (especially back then) does not lump a person in the same boat as the ones that we are at war with right now.

[cephus]

Just following the muslim faith (especially back then) does not lump a person in the same boat as the ones that we are at war with right now

Maybe you should check out Saddam's timeline. These people were the same then as they are now.

http://www.iraqfoundation.org/research/bio.html

[westkybanded]

Maybe you should check out Saddam's timeline. These people were the same then as they are now.

http://www.iraqfoundation.org/research/bio.html

I'm quite familiar with Saddam's biography, but I'm not sure where you're coming from.

[cephus]

muslim faith (especially back then) does not lump a person in the same boat as the ones that we are at war with right now.

I believe you wrote that. Maybe I took it wrong but I read it as muslims were different then than they are now.

[westkybanded]

I believe you wrote that. Maybe I took it wrong but I read it as muslims were different then than they are now.

They definately had a much different MO back then. There weren't coordinated attacks being carried out on US soil, and for the most part, they were killing each other.

[cephus]

They may not have carried out attacks on U.S. soil, but these people having fighting and killing each other since the beginning of time.

[Multidigits]

Malcolm X was a thug.....most people (including a lot of blacks) rejoiced when he was shot dead with a shotgun blast and multiple other ounds to make sure it stuck. Not all blacks looked up to him, and he was killed by black people, on orders from Islam because of turning on them as well.

Nobody in their right mind would regard this fool as a role model for black youths to model after, unless you wanted them to end up with the same fate the X went out.

[eddiejohn4]

What??? we have been attacked for thirty years by radical muslims. our embassies are US soil. our Soldiers our US property. attacks on our battle ships are an act of war as is our bases. I think many have no idea just how many have been killed before 9/11 and just how many attacks have occured.

[rjgoud01]

And who forces these people to buy liquor,guns,drugs,or use high interest check cashing places? I grew up as poor as anybody you'll find but was taught to be clean,honest,and love my family.

The root of the problem is in the minorities family groups themselves,they have fatherless children being raised by women with several kids all by different fathers and none give a crap about either. If you want to help so bad go teach them how to live like a human being not animals.I've seen things far worse than most in an inner city can imagine and it didn't cause me to smoke crack,steal,and shoot fellow humans. NO EXCUSE.

If you are such a hunter ,you are sure down on farmers whom allowe you to hunt and grow the food that your inner city hereos eat,what are you going to eat Pidgeons? Many farmers donot use Mexicans to start with,so quit classifying them into one big group.Are all blacks the same? My complaint with Hispaniocs crossing the border by the millions is they are flooding our schools,hospitals,jails,and social programs unfairly over burdening the American Taxpayers.Plus illegally breaking the sanctity of our borders while transporting guns,drugs,and terrorists into our country only to make your complaint worse. Is that what you want?

Calling people names for what they believe is as bad as being a racist flipped backwards,reverse racism is far more prevelant than you will admit,and handing blacks everything they want to justify something that happened 100 years ago is WRONG too.Teach them to earn what they get like I did.Teach them to act like a human instead of their cousins in Somalia.
Malcom X was trash,if that's a Black Hero then you are sick.


Once again you missed the point. First of all, I am not down on farmers. I have a family full of them. But argricultural work was the main source of income for illegals for years. It may be different now, but its a little late now. Once again I say look at the statistics and see who is draining the gov't welfare system. The majority of them are not minorities. Are far as Hispanics flooding the border, the gov't could lock down the border if they wanted to. Look how much money the President is spending on foreign soil in Iraq, with no plan, letting soldiers die everyday. Everybody knows Hispanics have done and continue to do a wealth of jobs Americans do not and will do on a regular basis. As far as farmers not using Mexicans, when tobacco season comes I drive past field after field and see mostly Mexicans.

They are not my inner city heroes, but thanks for the joke. You actually made a point, all races have broken families, but what makes one turn out better from the other. It is enviroment they are raised in. If you want to change the people you have to change the enviroment.

What's the point in the talk about Jesse, Martin, and Malcolm. If you put any man on a pedastal like people did, you will find problems. In the end these men are just people, nothing more nothing less.

[kyfanatic]

And your solution to change the environment is by flooding the country with millions of impoverished people?

I saw one of those predatory businesses today,the worst kind ,it targeted children,yes ol' Jesse should boycott those Ice Cream trucks until they pay up.

[slickhead slayer]

Are far as Hispanics flooding the border, the gov't could lock down the border if they wanted to. Look how much money the President is spending on foreign soil in Iraq, with no plan, letting soldiers die everyday..

Congress not the Pres spends the money, and closing the border was part of the Presidents plan that the Senate voted down today.