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michunter
06-23-2007, 09:24 PM
Press Writer Sat Jun 23, 1:04 PM ET

PITTSBURGH - Fish and wildlife departments around the country are on the hunt — for more wardens.

From California to Pennsylvania to Florida, states are struggling to recruit officers and habitat and other projects are being delayed. Those enforcing wildlife laws have a full workload, and officials suspect poaching is increasing, though hard numbers are difficult to come by.
"I think the nefarious people realize there's a good chance they're not going to get caught and are taking more opportunities," said Nancy Foley, chief of the law enforcement division of California's Department of Fish and Game.
Besides enforcing hunting and fishing laws, wildlife wardens respond to calls about injured or nuisance wildlife and provide environmental education. In states such as Texas, they are among the first responders to hurricanes and other natural disasters, said Col. Pete Flores, director of the law enforcement division for the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.
The danger of the job and declining interest in outdoor activities may also be to blame for shortages, officials say. But mostly, it's the pay, often thousands less than traditional police officers make.
California's Department of Fish and Game has about 75 vacancies out of 300 officers. About 40 percent of the state's trainees leave the academy, mostly because of the low starting salary, which was recently raised to $48,000 from $44,000, Foley said. The disparity could be because officials don't view wardens as valid law enforcers, she and others said.
"To think a conservation officer is any less important than a state police officer ... they're not thinking about it in the right way," said Col. Julie Jones, director of law enforcement for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission and president of the National Association of Conservation Law Enforcement Chiefs.
Nevada has three vacancies in its 32-officer unit, which is responsible for 110,000 square miles, and Florida's Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission has about 50 vacancies out of about 470 field officers.
In Pennsylvania, where the Fish and Boat Commission operates with about a half-dozen vacancies in its complement of 80 field officers, starting annual pay for officers is about $9,000 less than for state troopers, said Thomas J. Kamerzel, director of law enforcement for the commission.
Kamerzel competed with 6,000 applicants to the agency nearly 30 years ago. The agency's latest graduating class numbered just 360, and Kamerzel said he has only attracted only several hundred applicants through mailings, posters and newspaper ads.
Pennsylvania's game wardens recently switched from the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union to the Fraternal Order of Police in hopes of obtaining a salary and retirement benefits comparable to those of state police, said Brian Witherite, a Wildlife Conservation Officer in southwestern Pennsylvania.
Game wardens in California are likely to encounter marijuana crops grown in rural areas and drug smugglers trekking through the woods. California's wardens issued about 45,000 to 50,000 tickets last year, about one-third of which fell into categories associated with traditional policing, Foley said.
And game wardens patrol people who are frequently armed — hunters — in vast expanses of wilderness. Statistics show a warden is about 2.5 times more likely to be assaulted with a deadly weapon than are other officers, said Rob Buonamici, chief game warden for the Nevada Department of Wildlife.
It hasn't helped that for years, these officers have outside the public view. Now, there's a growing effort to educate people about what they do, Jones said.
"The Game Commission isn't really a career," said Wildlife Conservation Officer Gary Toward, who covers about 600 square miles in western Pennsylvania. "It's more a lifestyle

mrdux
06-23-2007, 09:31 PM
Pay them enough to have a decent life for a family, show them some respect and support, and make their efforts worthwhile in court. Now they have none of those things. Damn illegal immigrants get more respect and probably make more money with Uncle Sam benefits and not paying taxes! Most people they arrest or make cases against get a tiny fine and are back out before the CO get his paperwork done.

keith meador
06-23-2007, 11:45 PM
put the judicial system on the side of the co and watch things change. they fight two battles. the system and the persons who break the laws.....even the playing field and watch the changes come.....

westkybanded
06-24-2007, 12:08 AM
I seriously think that before anyone critisizes their co, they should visit this website and look up what they make.

http://c-jonline.com/government/salaries/index.php

It's a real shame.

killinmammals
06-24-2007, 11:32 AM
yeah its not a good way to make a living...if it paid good I would be that more people would do it.

CSS archer
06-24-2007, 11:42 AM
CA officers out of the academy make $48,000, KY's make $28,000 annually. In KY they are the most highly trained law enforcement officers in the state.

You have to want that job, it's not for the pay.....

predator
06-24-2007, 12:16 PM
It's a real shame.

I'll seconded that :(, but at least they get that good hazardous duty retirement:).

WhiteRubi
06-24-2007, 12:45 PM
I would take the pay cut. I have to put up with entirely too much crap at work. I think in KY you still have to know somebody. Doesn't seem they are ever hiring. On another not...sister in law works for dept. of commerce in HR. Maybe she knows a way to get a foot in. :confused:

westkybanded
06-24-2007, 12:55 PM
I would take the pay cut. I have to put up with entirely too much crap at work. I think in KY you still have to know somebody. Doesn't seem they are ever hiring. On another not...sister in law works for dept. of commerce in HR. Maybe she knows a way to get a foot in. :confused:

That's not the problem at all. The problem is that you have guys coming out of college with masters degrees in wildlife biology that are willing to work for $28k. The credentials have gotten so high, the average joe has no chance at it.

WhiteRubi
06-24-2007, 01:16 PM
That's not the problem at all. The problem is that you have guys coming out of college with masters degrees in wildlife biology that are willing to work for $28k. The credentials have gotten so high, the average joe has no chance at it.

Yeah, I know what you mean. The standards only get higher and the pay doesn't change much. Sad, really. They probably miss out on lots of good people due to pay.

westkybanded
06-24-2007, 01:17 PM
Exactly.. I've got a friend with a masters in Wildlife Biology who's dream job would be to be a CO, but because of the pay, he works in a factory.

WhiteRubi
06-24-2007, 01:28 PM
Precisely the reason I didn't stick it out in Wildlife Mgt at EKU. I would still love to do the job but can't afford the tens of thousands of dollars in school loans for that salary.

CSS archer
06-24-2007, 01:56 PM
I did stick it out through EKU's wildlife management program. I commercial fished in the summer and trapped fur in the winter, and did work/study as an RA and SA in the dorm. Needless to say I couldn't afford to date or party, and I did not like school.

I lived on $10 a week for food, ate a lot of roadkills, muskrats and deer. I knew I wanted to be a wildlife biologist, regardless of pay.

One thanksgiving I had to work at the dorm that weekend, I trapped a local property for rats and coons, caught 20 rats and a few coons and one mink that weekend. I cleaned and prepared the rats and had a feast for my floor of "Marsh Rabbit", I told them it was actually muskrat before they ate any, no one believed me, and they loved it.

My first year working for KDFWR was as a wildlife technician. 1989 I made $10,000. I considered a CO position out of school, but it wasn't what I wanted to do.

Xi Bowhunter
06-24-2007, 03:26 PM
That's not the problem at all. The problem is that you have guys coming out of college with masters degrees in wildlife biology that are willing to work for $28k. The credentials have gotten so high, the average joe has no chance at it.
I tried to get the Ky CO job for several years, but I didn't have enough education. I went back to school just for that and when I finish I will be re-applying. I hope they are still hiring.

yote hunter
06-24-2007, 04:00 PM
some of the same people who complain about the CO pay scream bloody murder when the f%w increaces the fees:(

predator
06-24-2007, 04:35 PM
some of the same people who complain about the CO pay scream bloody murder when the f%w increaces the fees:(

I agree with you yote hunter, even though I do not totally agree with the all the policies of the KDFWR, hunting in KY is still a bargain.

predator
06-24-2007, 04:37 PM
some of the same people who complain about the CO pay scream bloody murder when the f%w increaces the fees:(

I agree with you yote hunter, even though I do not totally agree with the all the policies of the KDFWR, hunting in KY is still a bargain. License fees sould be raised to give these guys a decent standard of living.

deerslayer61
06-24-2007, 09:06 PM
I was going to put in for the job, but I think that one of the requirments is, that you already have to be a school trained police officer. I think that more individuals would put in for these jobs, if the state was willing to put up the money to send new hires to the acadamy in Richmond.