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AteUp
06-03-2007, 07:13 PM
http://www.whas11.com/topstories/stories/6307whasjnTopWindenergy.f4ed5ff.html

Tougher wind energy legislation proposed

10:01 AM EDT on Sunday, June 3, 2007

Mary Clare Jalonick

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Birds and bats have a powerful advocate in the new Congress, and he is making the wind energy industry nervous.

Rep. Nick Rahall, chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee, is pushing legislation that would more strictly regulate wind energy to protect birds, bats and other wildlife killed when they fly into the giant turbines.

Wind energy advocates say the bill could significantly cripple the burgeoning industry and they brand the measure as “anti-wind.”

A release from the American Wind Energy Association last month said Rahall’s plan could “essentially outlaw” the generation of electricity from new wind power plants in the United States.

Political debate over wind projects has intensified as the industry has seen major growth in recent years. According to the association, wind power is growing 25 percent to 30 percent annually.

Congress has encouraged this renewable energy as oil prices have skyrocketed, creating incentives for the industry and promoting its benefits. But some lawmakers are concerned about the effects on wildlife.

Rahall’s proposal, included in a larger energy bill, would direct the Fish and Wildlife Service to publish standards for siting, construction and monitoring of wind projects so that they do not harm wildlife. Violators could go to prison.

After opposition from some members of his committee, Rahall has said he will revisit the legislation. The wind provisions are “not locked in stone,” he said.

Still, Rahall, D-W.Va., believes more regulation would be a good idea.

“I suspect that wind projects are on a regular basis in violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Endangered Species Act, yet no enforcement action is being taken,” he said at a recent hearing on the issue.

Frank Maisano, a spokesman for wind developers in the Mid-Atlantic region, says the industry has frequent discussions with government regulators and environmental groups.

Rahall “is throwing out the entire haystack because there’s a needle in there somewhere,” he said. “There are plenty of checks on the system that are making us develop in a smart way.”

Some in coal-rich West Virginia disagree.

John Stroud, the co-chairman of Mountain Communities for Responsible Energy, is fighting a wind power project in Rahall’s district, saying it will spoil scenic views and endanger bats.

“Something like this is greatly necessary because these concerns are generally ignored,” Stroud says. “Most states don’t have much regulation.”

John Kostyack, senior counsel for the National Wildlife Federation, says his group is working with Rahall to fine-tune the legislation.

“We think that any energy company, even in an industry we strongly support, needs to grow responsibly,” he said,

Last month, a National Research Council panel said the risk to birds and bats is not yet completely understood. That report also noted that wind farms could generate up to 7 percent of U.S. electricity in 15 years.

It is unclear if Rahall’s position could pass muster in the Senate.

A spokesman for Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., who is chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, said the senator is supportive of the industry and will remain so.

GOP Sen. John Thune, who has introduced legislation that would give the industry more incentives, was more blunt.

“This proposal is badly misguided and is a step in the wrong direction,” said Thune of South Dakota, one of the windier states. “Congress should not be blocking the development of one of the nation’s cleanest energy resources ... I will fight any efforts to stymie its development because of unfounded concerns for bats and birds.”

C.L.Button
06-03-2007, 07:19 PM
Idiot :rolleyes: I got some wind for him. :eek: :D

AteUp
06-03-2007, 07:20 PM
Idiot :rolleyes: I got some wind for him. :eek: :D

Maybe you could send him some bat and bird recipes?:eek:

C.L.Button
06-03-2007, 07:23 PM
Maybe you could send him some bat and bird recipes?:eek:

That might be a good idea. Heck they taste just like Chickens ! :D

Art
06-03-2007, 07:30 PM
Why does this not surprise me? My theory- how do I say this??? Let's just say that it's no surprise that a Democrat would introduce something such as this. They'll pass some bill to make it nearly impossible to use wind energy and then turn around and blame Republicans for killing the earth by not pushing for alternative energy.:rolleyes:

Pugs
06-03-2007, 07:50 PM
3 Fruit bats, well washed but either skinned nor eviscerated,
Water
1 tb Finely sliced fresh ginger,
1 lg Onion, quartered,

I knew if we were patient, this would become available. For all of you who have been waiting patiently to make your fruit bats into fruit bat soup, here's a recipe.

The following is a genuine recipe from Micronesia. Fruit bats, or flying foxes, are furry, fruit and nectar eating bats about the size of small rabbits. The make very affectionate pets.

Sea salt to taste, Chopped scallions, Soy sauce and/or coconut cream.

1. Place the bats in a large kettle and add water to cover, the ginger, onion, and salt. Bring to the boil and cook for 40 minutes. Strain broth into a second kettle.

2. Take the bats, skin them and discard the skin. Remove meat from the bones and return meat, and any of the viscera you fancy, to the broth. Heat.

3. Serve liberally sprinkled with scallions and further seasoned with soy sauce and/or coconut cream.

Yield: 4 servings.

mrdux
06-03-2007, 08:10 PM
This is just another way for some politician to kiss a Kennedy's azz. The Kennedys have been fighting wind farms off the coast of their Mass. playground for some time. They would like to force each of us to submit to their socialist polices as long as they don't have to themselves. This means they don't want to have to look at the offshore windmills but would like us to have to use a horse and buggy to get to WalMart.

When are we going to open our frickin' eyes and see this Democratic Congress as what they really are? They are a bunch of holier-than-thou socialists who want complete control over our lives by turning this great country into a welfare state. Why do you think they are so gung-ho to get all the central and south American folks here? They see them as Democratic votes who will all end up on welfare and government subsidies in the socialist state they so adore. Have you ever seen welfare trash who would not vote to give themselves a raise or another government teat program? Neither have the Dem/Socialists!

kycowboy
06-03-2007, 08:32 PM
Why does this not surprise me? My theory- how do I say this??? Let's just say that it's no surprise that a Democrat would introduce something such as this. They'll pass some bill to make it nearly impossible to use wind energy and then turn around and blame Republicans for killing the earth by not pushing for alternative energy.:rolleyes:
Art that say's Rep. Nick Rahall, chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee

AteUp
06-03-2007, 08:38 PM
Art that say's Rep. Nick Rahall, chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee

He is a Democratic representative from WV.

http://www.nickrahall.com/

yote hunter
06-03-2007, 09:56 PM
check out any article anywhere about some one in government by the main stream media.if its bad legistlation or a crime has been commited they only mention party affiliation if its a repbublican.

yote hunter
06-03-2007, 10:08 PM
3 Fruit bats, well washed but either skinned nor eviscerated,
Water
1 tb Finely sliced fresh ginger,
1 lg Onion, quartered,

I knew if we were patient, this would become available. For all of you who have been waiting patiently to make your fruit bats into fruit bat soup, here's a recipe.

The following is a genuine recipe from Micronesia. Fruit bats, or flying foxes, are furry, fruit and nectar eating bats about the size of small rabbits. The make very affectionate pets.

Sea salt to taste, Chopped scallions, Soy sauce and/or coconut cream.

1. Place the bats in a large kettle and add water to cover, the ginger, onion, and salt. Bring to the boil and cook for 40 minutes. Strain broth into a second kettle.

2. Take the bats, skin them and discard the skin. Remove meat from the bones and return meat, and any of the viscera you fancy, to the broth. Heat.

3. Serve liberally sprinkled with scallions and further seasoned with soy sauce and/or coconut cream.

Yield: 4 servings.

IMO indiana brown bats are a lot better eating than fruit bats.im pretty sure fruit bats carry aids.:D
P.S.
indiana brown bats are on the endangerd list so if your gonna eat some you better hurry before there all gone.

slickhead slayer
06-03-2007, 10:15 PM
Art that say's Rep. Nick Rahall, chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee

Rep. stands for US Representative, not Republican.

slickhead slayer
06-03-2007, 10:21 PM
Like several have already mentioned, you can't have it both ways. They want to complain about high gas and energy prices but they want to restrict wind power, they want to restrict building refineries, they want to restrict offshore drilling, they want to restrict drilling in ANWAR etc etc etc. You can't have it both ways. You want cheaper energy and gas, stop voting the Dems in.

AteUp
06-03-2007, 10:29 PM
What's amazing to me is this Rahall character is the CHAIRMAN OF THE NATURAL RESOURCE COMMITTEE, and he's introducing a bill to restrict further windmills to save bats. Gee, any surprise we are in the current situation? What % of US acreage has,or is feasible,for windmills? I have never seen one. The bill seems to imply we will be wiping out whole bird/bat populations.

Art
06-03-2007, 10:35 PM
I have seen windmills on a TV show that are made for the average household. I think they said they were about $1200 and the energy savings were superb. I would already have one if my house wasn't situated in a valley. When I move next year I will seriously be looking into a "personal" windmill.

AteUp
06-03-2007, 10:38 PM
They will probably be outlawed by then Art. Those "evil" windmills.:rolleyes:

Art
06-03-2007, 10:45 PM
They will probably be outlawed by then Art. Those "evil" windmills.:rolleyes:


They can have my windmill when they pry it from my cold, dead, fingers!

slickhead slayer
06-03-2007, 11:13 PM
I have seen windmills on a TV show that are made for the average household. I think they said they were about $1200 and the energy savings were superb. I would already have one if my house wasn't situated in a valley. When I move next year I will seriously be looking into a "personal" windmill.


You bat killer!!!!!

C.L.Button
06-03-2007, 11:56 PM
They can have my windmill when they pry it from my cold, dead, fingers!

LMAOOOO I got your back Art ! :D

trust me
06-04-2007, 05:07 AM
I've seen only one windmill farm, the one located a few miles west of Chicago. Those things are absolutely huge, 200 or 300 feet tall.

From what I've read, birds of prey are particularly at risk because they try to perch on the windmill and get whacked by the propeller vanes as they swing around. Hawks and eagles are the primary victims. The toll on birds is pretty high, but it would seem to be worth it if you are all bent out of shape by oil, global warming, Bush making millions, etc.

Actually not many locations are suitable for windmills. Out west where the wind blows constantly is the best. East of the Mississippi is pretty much out for wind energy. Out in the ocean is the next best place, but Teddy & Co. don't want their Nantucket ocean view spoiled by a bunch of windmills, apparently.

Here's a map of KY's wind resources:http://rredc.nrel.gov/wind/pubs/atlas/maps/chap3/3-29m.html Kentucky is rated mostly as a 1, the lowest, with the top of Pine Mountain being a 3.

Here's a map of North Dakota's wind ratings: http://rredc.nrel.gov/wind/pubs/atlas/maps/chap3/3-12m.html
They're primarily rated a 4 with some 5. It must be true that if the wind ever stops blowing out there, everybody will fall down.

Wildcat
06-04-2007, 08:18 AM
Not really.

My cousin looked into windmills for his cattle farm in Livingstion County and he could put in 6 of them if he wanted, they would have been enough to power half of the entire County. All you need is enough wind to start the first one and once that gets going the others follow in it's backlase (sp).

They cost a lot but would have paid for themselves in less than 5 years. He backed out because he decided he didn't want to mess up the looks of the farm. I'll bet anything his childern will put them in after he's gone.

Here's a picture I took in Feb of some windmills on Maui, Hawaii.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Wildcat_016/100_0712.jpg

treerat
06-04-2007, 09:29 AM
ok,,here is my 2 cents,,,,,,,1st of all,,there is to many birds and bats in the governmant now,,:D:D,,2nd,,i would be willing to bet that peta and those bird brains had something to do with it,,,,and finally,,,i would be more then willing to put up a personal windmill on my place,,,those checks to the electric company would be a whole lot easier to write each month if i had to write them at all

Tim T
06-04-2007, 09:50 AM
Does this mean that if it passes, the windmill on the local putt putt golf course will have to be taken down? :)

trust me
06-04-2007, 10:11 AM
Does this mean that if it passes, the windmill on the local putt putt golf course will have to be taken down? :)

They closed that one down anyway. Too many dead birds blocking the green.

AteUp
06-04-2007, 10:13 AM
I don't think I've ever actually encountered a "birdie" on the golf course personally.:D

ptbrauch
06-04-2007, 10:42 AM
What's next to ban to save the birds, house cats?

Tim T
06-04-2007, 02:01 PM
They closed that one down anyway. Too many dead birds blocking the green.

LOL, I thought the problem on golf courses was goose poop. It doesn't really matter to me, because no matter if it is putt putt or regular golf, I have tried both and I suck!

At least when I am fishing nobody watches me backlash and if I make a bad cast I don't have to yell "fore" because I am about to decapitate anyone:)