This is what makes us look bad

[kybowhunter64]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vTEZuzwFy8&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vTEZuzwFy8&mode=related&search=)

[quackrstackr]

What about that makes us look bad?

You guys need to quit being ashamed of what it is that you do for enjoyment or go find another hobby.

Looks like he dropped in his tracks to me (as opposed to possibly running a half mile with a "perfect" hit).

Edit: I will also ask that you guys quit posting links to vids with such offending language in the comments section. That is ridiculous.

[kybowhunter64]

What about that makes us look bad?

You guys need to quit being ashamed of what it is that you do for enjoyment or go find another hobby.

Looks like he dropped in his tracks to me (as opposed to possibly running a half mile with a "perfect" hit).

Edit: I will also ask that you guys quit posting links to vids with such offending language in the comments section. That is ridiculous.


lets see he shoots the deer in the head and laughs about it. Come on quack. I put a perfect shot on my buck this year and it dropped in his tracks. This video just makes us look horrible.


ps: Sorry about the language.

[quackrstackr]

Looked like that one dropped in it's tracks as well.

A head shot on a turkey is a "perfect shot" but the same on a deer is a no-no? Also, it's perfectly fine to bust a coyote squarely between the eyes then laugh and cut up about it but taking a deer has to be a psuedo religious experience?

I don't get it.

The deer died quickly (which it probably would not have had he missed in the opposite direction). I would say that shot worked out just fine... albeit off the "perfect" mark.

BTW: I don't think the guy did it on purpose.

[Art]

Head shots in the right circumstance are ok, to do it for the humor or challenge and what not is probably a little twisted..

IMO, a head shot is only ethical if you are skilled enough to pull it off and it's at close range with a gun. However, the head is a much more difficult target on a deer and the margin for error is greater. That fact alone IMO makes it's a little more unethical.

If you are aiming for the vitals and hit the head, then I wouldn't want to be in the woods with you. There are always exceptions, but I think if you are that inaccurate then you owe it to the animal to practice more before you hit the woods. You might get lucky and blow somethings head off and drop it right there one time, but the next time you might blow the hoof off.:D

[michunter]

I don't think there was anything wrong with it . No different than shooting that prize buck in the woods , and getting all worked up about it . I am glad it did not run off and die a miserable death , too me that was quick !!!

[newshooter05]

i was visiting some menonites in allen county during deer season a few years back and all they were allowed to use was shotguns . every barn i saw had deer hanging up being dressed and all were head shots. some real nice racks were blown apart.i asked them why head shots and he looked at me like i was nuts. no meat damage and instant kill.i bet i saw 10 or 12 deer that morning they had killed.ill shoot a head or neck if no better shot is available and will grin like a crap eating dog if successful.
david

[westkybanded]

lets see he shoots the deer in the head and laughs about it. Come on quack. I put a perfect shot on my buck this year and it dropped in his tracks. This video just makes us look horrible.


ps: Sorry about the language.


He's right quack.... You can't kill a deer like that! Can't shoot one straight up the tail pipe and kill it either! You're arguing with a guy who's seen every kill shot on tv in the last year, and none of them did it like that! Remember, if we all shoot deer just like this kid, they ALL drop right in their tracks, you never pull a shot, and tracking deer is an amateur mistake. We should all be thankful for the grand experience this old gentleman provides us.

[JP]

I'm disappointed too...but its because I didn't get a close up of the deer after they collected him. Would've liked to see how big he was :( :o

[quackrstackr]

For those that have never made an errant shot...

I either bow to your mastery of the weapon or you just haven't hunted long enough. It can and usually will happen at some point in your lifetime if you do much hunting at all.

It may have been the first time that guy had ever been bow hunting for all we know. Wouldn't matter though. I've seen plenty of the "experts" on TV gut shoot deer. It's just edited to appear as though the thing only went 50 yards before piling up stone dead. I've seen plenty of misses on their "blooper" reels too.

Watch the video again and listen to what the shooter said. He was trying to spine it (head on shot apparently) and evidently the deer raised it's head or he shot a bit low.

I see the TV "experts" spine deer quite often and put it on their shows.

[kybowhunter64]

see the only thing that gets me is they could have finished the deer off instead of sitting up in the stand laughing thats the only thing that gets me.

[kybowhunter64]

He's right quack.... You can't kill a deer like that! Can't shoot one straight up the tail pipe and kill it either! You're arguing with a guy who's seen every kill shot on tv in the last year, and none of them did it like that! Remember, if we all shoot deer just like this kid, they ALL drop right in their tracks, you never pull a shot, and tracking deer is an amateur mistake. We should all be thankful for the grand experience this old gentleman provides us.


hey thanks maybe I can teach you something one day.;):cool: Oh wait are we bringing up the kid thing again. Just because im not an old man like you doesn't mean i cant shoot.;)

[westkybanded]

Kick a guy when he's down...

Callin' me an old man on my birthday!!! :(

[MsgMills]

Interesting video, I missed the shot, my wife asked me a question and I turned my head as the shot was taken. I just saw the deer rolling around dying. Great shot if that's where he drops at in MHO. I made a bad shot on a yearling a few years ago, shot one of his legs into, while aiming at his chest. Got so excited about finally seeing one and then shot again and was shaking so much that I actually shot his back leg into as well. Wasn't trying to do it on purpose, but then had to finally make a head shot to put him down. I really felt bad that I missed his vitals twice and he had to suffer from 3 shots to kill him.... Lessons learned real fast, not I completely relax and try to make a clean of a shot as possible to kill the animal.

But for the video, I didn't see anything wrong with it....

[quackrstackr]

Kick a guy when he's down...

Callin' me an old man on my birthday!!! :(

Come by later and I will buy you the drink of your choice for your b'day.

[kybowhunter64]

Kick a guy when he's down...

Callin' me an old man on my birthday!!! :(


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you don't even know me so how do you know that I cant shoot!!

[Xi Bowhunter]

I shot a deer in the head with a bow one time because the arrow deflected off a branch. It was an accident and I still felt bad about it. IMO, A head shot is a stupid, uneducated way to harvest a deer. There is too much of a margin of error to shoot one in the head on purpose. Go ahead boys, flame away:cool:

[MsgMills]

Why waste a perfectly good arrow by shooting the deer again. It's already dead from the head shot, it's just reflexes kicking in after being hit in the head....

Now an experienced hunter even knows what was happening to the deer with all that thrashing around after the shot was taken and he was hit in the head.... Young man you need to learn some more about what happens to an animal after it is head shot. All animals don't just drop and don't move, surely you knew this, I guess not. But they don't just stop moving once they are shot.

By the way, your too gullible, when some people post things on the board in response to others posts....... :)

[kybowhunter64]

Why waste a perfectly good arrow by shooting the deer again. It's already dead from the head shot, it's just reflexes kicking in after being hit in the head....

Now an experienced hunter even knows what was happening to the deer with all that thrashing around after the shot was taken and he was hit in the head.... Young man you need to learn some more about what happens to an animal after it is head shot. All animals don't just drop and don't move, surely you knew this, I guess not. But they don't just stop moving once they are shot.

By the way, your too gullible, when some people post things on the board in response to others posts....... :)



I wouldnt know because I've never taken a head shot. I was always taught never to take a shot like that. Thats how I will teach my kids thats just stupid to take a shot like that!!

[cephus]

A head shot is a stupid, uneducated way to harvest a deer.

Thats how I will teach my kids thats just stupid to take a shot like that!!

Seems like I remember getting it pretty good from these two guys after I said I purposely head shot a doe with my AR last year. Then there was the thread multi started with the long range video. While I have yet to see any pics of proof where "the rubber hit the road" from these guys, I keep hearing them say how to do it or not to do it. I have been deer hunting for amost 25 years. I think I know what I am capable of. I think I know what shots are going to put a deer down.

I dont get you two. Because the shooter didnt take the "Holy Grail" vitals shot, it is unethical. But yet the deer drops in it tracks.

Kybowhunter, people keep bringing up your age because you make comments that shows it. Its kinda hard to listen to someone run thier mouth about what the right way to do things are when most of us were killing deer before you were born.

XI, come on man, I thought we were past this?

[kybowhunter64]

Seems like I remember getting it pretty good from these two guys after I said I purposely head shot a doe with my AR last year. Then there was the thread multi started with the long range video. While I have yet to see any pics of proof where "the rubber hit the road" from these guys, I keep hearing them say how to do it or not to do it. I have been deer hunting for amost 25 years. I think I know what I am capable of. I think I know what shots are going to put a deer down.

I don't get you two. Because the shooter didn't take the "Holy Grail" vitals shot, it is unethical. But yet the deer drops in it tracks.

Kybowhunter, people keep bringing up your age because you make comments that shows it. Its kinda hard to listen to someone run their mouth about what the right way to do things are when most of us were killing deer before you were born.

XI, come on man, I thought we were past this?


So that makes you a better hunter then me since you've been killing deer since I've been born. Let me go ahead and bow down to you since your the great white hunter.

If I recall when you first came to this site someone called you out about the way you shot. You said you would meet them and shoot against them if I lived close enough to you I would come shoot against you. And probably shoot just as good as you!

[Redlined]

Go over to the trapping forum and ask how an animal reacts after a head shot.Bear in mind nearly all dispatches on a trapline are head shots if the animal is alive------same reaction.They will drop and then kick/thrash around.Somthing else you may not know,wasn't too many years back that unless a deer was totally dead when you came upon it,headshots were considered the "ethical" way to finish them,the other option was cutting their throat.I think everyone here knows which would end the animals life quickest in that situation.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Seems like I remember getting it pretty good from these two guys after I said I purposely head shot a doe with my AR last year. Then there was the thread multi started with the long range video. While I have yet to see any pics of proof where "the rubber hit the road" from these guys, I keep hearing them say how to do it or not to do it. I have been deer hunting for amost 25 years. I think I know what I am capable of. I think I know what shots are going to put a deer down.

I dont get you two. Because the shooter didnt take the "Holy Grail" vitals shot, it is unethical. But yet the deer drops in it tracks.

Kybowhunter, people keep bringing up your age because you make comments that shows it. Its kinda hard to listen to someone run thier mouth about what the right way to do things are when most of us were killing deer before you were born.

XI, come on man, I thought we were past this?
I haven't changed my view or opinion about ethical shots. I don't trust you or anybody for that matter shooting a deer in the head or at long ranges, and I don't give a flying crap who you are, a self proclaimed sniper or whatever. I was raised that the game you hunt should be given the respect to a clean kill, and IMO, head shots and long-distance shots leave too much to chance. Sure this deer in the video fell dead, but what about the next one? I've personally seen deer shot in the head that were never recovered, and I gave the guy the same opinion I gave you, it's just not a good shot to take.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Go over to the trapping forum and ask how an animal reacts after a head shot.Bear in mind nearly all dispatches on a trapline are head shots if the animal is alive------same reaction.They will drop and then kick/thrash around.Somthing else you may not know,wasn't too many years back that unless a deer was totally dead when you came upon it,headshots were considered the "ethical" way to finish them,the other option was cutting their throat.I think everyone here knows which would end the animals life quickest in that situation.
I would say, most trap-line head shots are at point blank range, right? Not from 50-100yds away like out of a deer stand.:rolleyes:

[cephus]

So that makes you a better hunter then me since you've been killing deer since I've been born. Let me go ahead and bow down to you since your the great white hunter.

If I recall when you first came to this site someone called you out about the way you shot. You said you would meet them and shoot against them if I lived close enough to you I would come shoot against you. And probably shoot just as good as you!

For your first comment, let me say what everybody else has been wanting to say. Sometimes life is a little easier if you spend more time with your mouth shut and your ears open rather than the opposite.

As far as me being called out, The only thing ever said TO me about my shooting was me shooting a doe in the head with a AR-15. If you would like to shoot against me, bring your checkbook, or your daddies checkbook, or take out a loan. I will tell you grasshopper, dont let your mouth write checks your butt cant cash!

[cephus]

I was raised that the game you hunt should be given the respect to a clean kill, and IMO, head shots and long-distance shots leave too much to chance. Sure this deer in the video fell dead, but what about the next one? I've personally seen deer shot in the head that were never recovered

Heres where it gets sticky. Its those 3 letters IMO.."In my opinion" Which does NOT make it fact. Which does NOT make it so for every one else. There are people good enough that the U.S. military trusts them to make super long range shots to consistently kill PEOPLE. But in YOUR opinion that is just not possible. I have seen plenty of people that go to forums and talk about the ethical kill shot shoot 'em in the boiler room and not recover the deer as well. I would be willing to bet you there are more deer shot under 100 yards with a rifle shooting for the vitals that arent recovered than there are deer that were head or neck shot.

[GSP]

I wouldnt know because I've never taken a head shot. I was always taught never to take a shot like that. Thats how I will teach my kids thats just stupid to take a shot like that!!

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Going to teach them anything about little "fibs"?:rolleyes:


ha ha good one :D

[Clint Daniels]

I had my 9 yrs old hunting this year and had a doe within 50 yards and the only shot he had was a neck or head shot. I told him let it rip. He could not pick her up in the scope. I had no problem letting him shoot one in the head. Gut shot deer will run for miles and hours I know because I have shotem in the gut. A head shot goes nowhere. I have seen several head shots and I don't recommend having a new or young hunter along in the recovery process, but tracking is so easy. We sometime get a dollar a person pot going for head shots! Never thought it to be unethical seems to me the head isn't much smaller than the vitals and if you miss the vitals you've made a bad shot. If you miss the head you've more than likely just given a battle scar.

[Duster]

Heck shoot em all in the head if ya good enough..as long as the bullet or arrow don't pass thru the hoof they are holding up to shield thier eyes from the spotlight.....:D

[MsgMills]

I had an uncle who passed away that would only shoot deer in the neck. He knew exactly where to shoot them that they would drop in their tracks... As far as I know he never had to track the first deer in his hunting days. True Story...

[Luckybuck]

I have shot deer in the eye socket on more than one occasion and never had them do more than a flip. I have also cut their throats with 30-06 bullets and bloodied trees ten feet up where they did back flips through the woods. I doubt any of them felt anything after the initial jolt because the blood went everywhere meaning the brain wasn't getting anymore oxygen. I do prefer a heart shot but a deer better not stand and hide behind a tree and stomp the ground when I have a rifle in my hands because it will get killed! :)

[kybowhunter64]

For your first comment, let me say what everybody else has been wanting to say. Sometimes life is a little easier if you spend more time with your mouth shut and your ears open rather than the opposite.

As far as me being called out, The only thing ever said TO me about my shooting was me shooting a doe in the head with a AR-15. If you would like to shoot against me, bring your checkbook, or your daddies checkbook, or take out a loan. I will tell you grasshopper, dont let your mouth write checks your butt cant cash!


So cephus when have you seen me shoot. It sounds like you do a lot of talking maybe you shouldn't let your mouth write checks your butt cant cash;)

[kybowhunter64]

As far as me being called out, The only thing ever said TO me about my shooting was me shooting a doe in the head with a AR-15. If you would like to shoot against me, bring your checkbook, or your daddies checkbook, or take out a loan. I will tell you grasshopper, dont let your mouth write checks your butt cant cash!


If gas wasn't so expensive I would meet you somewhere and shoot against you and if I lost I would shake your hand and move on but until the day I shoot against you and you beat me you have no room to talk on how I shoot.;)

[westkybanded]

Is it just me, or did this thread just somehow get to be a shooting contest? Bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with shooting a deer in the head. It's not the optimal shot angle all the time, but it happens, and is VERY effective...

That and kybowhunter64 is showing his age again....

[keith meador]

the main reason we hunters get a bad name is threads like this.....someone puts out what they think is good information, someone else thinks differently, it turns into a pissing contest, and we continue to go at each others character, ability as men, ability as hunters, and judgement.

the media has the ablility to twist things any way they can to sensationalize whatever event is worthy of getting on the news ahead of aunt mary winning the quilting competiton at the local fair. someone shooting an arrow thru a goose fits that bill for many reasons. they can cast a bad light in the publics perception of hunters, leaving it up to the viewer to determine who is at fault in the incedent. we all know that the goose was shot, the evidence is in the pic. what we dont know is this....was the shooter a recreational shooter, a hunter, a beginner, someone trying to make hunters look bad, or someone of any level of experience that missed their intended target and accidently hit the goose.

[kybowhunter64]

Is it just me, or did this thread just somehow get to be a shooting contest? Bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with shooting a deer in the head. It's not the optimal shot angle all the time, but it happens, and is VERY effective...

That and kybowhunter64 is showing his age again....


hi im kybowhunter64 and im 16 years old



ohhhh did you see that I showed my age again

[Redlined]

I would say, most trap-line head shots are at point blank range, right? Not from 50-100yds away like out of a deer stand.:rolleyes:

I was making reference to the comment about an animals reaction to a head shot,not the distance.But......since you brought up the distance thing,the reaction is still going to be the same if they're shot in the head at point blank range or fifty yds,immediate drop and some violent thrashing for a bit,which is just nerves........

[Silent But Deadly]

If gas wasn't so expensive I would meet you somewhere and shoot against you and if I lost I would shake your hand and move on but until the day I shoot against you and you beat me you have no room to talk on how I shoot.;)

If your dad won't let you have the truck that day I'll drive you.

[cephus]

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If gas wasn't so expensive I would meet you somewhere and shoot against you and if I lost I would shake your hand and move on but until the day I shoot against you and you beat me you have no room to talk on how I shoot.;)


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If your dad won't let you have the truck that day I'll drive you.


Thanks. If you cant pick him up I will go get him. I will be shooting IPSC on sunday care to teach me anything? I was hoping maybe you could shoot and possibly show me the value of a dollar.

[trust me]

Alright, lay off the kid now. He's had enough.

[buckfever]

Go over to the trapping forum and ask how an animal reacts after a head shot.Bear in mind nearly all dispatches on a trapline are head shots if the animal is alive------same reaction.They will drop and then kick/thrash around.Somthing else you may not know,wasn't too many years back that unless a deer was totally dead when you came upon it,headshots were considered the "ethical" way to finish them,the other option was cutting their throat.I think everyone here knows which would end the animals life quickest in that situation.

Since most people don't trap, an even better illustration is hunting turkeys. Make a head shot on a tom at 45 yards, and he'll drop and thrash around for 5-10 minutes. . .

IMO, I agree with what westkybanded and Ateup said. The head shot can certainly be very effective, but I don't think anyone can say it's unethical unless you first know the person taking and the circumstances behind the shot. This is probably one of those areas where this no absolute right or wrong answer.

For example, I wouldn't have any ethical problems with a trained sniper taking head shots. The reason is because I would be assuming that he's capable of consistently putting the bullet within 1 inch of where he's aiming at any reasonable distance. In other words, the hunter's abilities make the head shot a humane practice, and the fact that the deer drops so quickly makes recovery a relative certainty.

On the other hand, take Joe Hunter. Joe sites in his weapon 1 week before the season. This consists of about 10 shots (doesn't want to use his entire box of brand new shells up) off of a sandbag at a paper target thumbtacked to a haybail. Joe's first shot is good (about 1" or so left of target0, but his next 3 are fliers. Joe hasn't shot in a while and has the flinches. One of his shots isn't even on the paper. After checking his bullets to make sure he has enough, Joe steels himself against the recoil and manages to put his next 2 shots right where his first hit. He gives the scope two clicks and his next shot cuts the edge of the black. Joe quits.

After a sleepless night, opening day arrives. The excitement soon ebbs, however, and Joe gets bored after sitting in his deer stand for 3 hours without seeing a deer. Joe decides to climb down, take a dump, and then climbs back up and have a smoke to pass the time. After relieving himself, Joe's fumbling around in his LL Bean backpack for his smokey treats and lighter. He happens to look over and sees a dandy buck looking directly at him from behind a big hickory tree about 100 yards away. Joe slowly drops his cigs back in his pack and picks up his rifle. He carefully turns in his stand and picks up the buck in his scope. At this point, Joe sees a fine 10 ptr. This deer would be his biggest by far. Buckfever kicks in, and Joe starts breathing heavily (fairly easy for Joe since he's a 2 pack a day man). He has no shot at the deer's vitals. He does have a head on head shot at the deer. Because he knows the deer has already seen him, Joe decides that the head shot is his only way of harvesting this buck.

Under these circumstances, I would say Joe's decision is unethical.

At least for me, different situations, different hunters, different conclusions.

[westkybanded]

After a sleepless night, opening day arrives. The excitement soon ebbs, however, and Joe gets bored after sitting in his deer stand for 3 hours without seeing a deer. Joe decides to climb down, take a dump, and then climbs back up and have a smoke to pass the time. After relieving himself, Joe's fumbling around in his LL Bean backpack for his smokey treats and lighter. He happens to look over and sees a dandy buck looking directly at him from behind a big hickory tree about 100 yards away. Joe slowly drops his cigs back in his pack and picks up his rifle. He carefully turns in his stand and picks up the buck in his scope. At this point, Joe sees a fine 10 ptr. This deer would be his biggest by far. Buckfever kicks in, and Joe starts breathing heavily (fairly easy for Joe since he's a 2 pack a day man). He has no shot at the deer's vitals. He does have a head on head shot at the deer. Because he knows the deer has already seen him, Joe decides that the head shot is his only way of harvesting this buck.



Did you have a hidden camera trained on my stand about 7 years ago?????
There are a few discrepancies there tho... It was a doe, my backpack was from Walmart, and my name is Will, not Joe..

The way that story ended was with the .308 ballistic tip finding it's mark dead center between they doe's eyes and about half an inch low. The result was the poor things ears splaying out wildly and a beautiful red mist surrounding her head like a halo of light. She went down like a felled tree, and her left front paw tore up grass for about 10 seconds. Where there once was brain, was now nothing more than a mass of pudding, and her skull was about 2 inches wider than before. INSTANT lights out.

Oh, yea... I chuckled to myself... It was cool.

[Bray]

Whatever happend to live and let live? To each his own. If you feel comfortable taking a 1000 yard head shot so be it. That is your decision . It is none of my business and I shouldn't try to make it that way. Dead is Dead no matter where you shoot it.

Kybowhunter64 I would have never seen this video if you hadn't posted it. If you are so embarassed by these types of practices why go around showing the world?

[KyHorse]

United we stand, Divided we fall. The latter half of that saying is what makes 'us' look bad. Everyone has their opinion and ethics vary like the wind.

Whether the shot was intentional or not, the deer dropped in it's tracks and had a quick death. He was not wounded or uncovered.

As for linking to video on such places as youtube, you can't control what people comment about on those sites after a link has been posted. I know in this case comments existed before the post, but I'm sure many more will follow. If it is a concern to the moderators here I guess you guys need to look into preventing such links.

[Multidigits]

If you've ever seen a nice buck making his way through the woods with his lower jaw hanging by threads of hide trying to find a bowl of acorn soup and a spoon, you might have a different opinion on head shots. I have and it's not a pretty sight and leaves the deer to die a slow death. When that happens because of something a hunter did, when he had better options, then it is in fact a bit unethical at best.

[westkybanded]

What's different from a deer that dies a slow death from a badly placed body shot?

[keith meador]

there is no difference. both ways they die a slow death. if you wanted to debate this thing on and on you could questions each shooters morals, ability and standard by which they consider a deer a trophy.....that is not really the issue here, the lad simply felt the hunter in the video makes the entire hunting population look bad, but somehow this thread has derailed like many others before it and much like many more to come.......

[westkybanded]

Keith, that birthday high wearing off?

[Multidigits]

What's different from a deer that dies a slow death from a badly placed body shot?


The difference is clear, one is a bad shot(hunter missed his mark) and the other is poor unethical shot selection. Both are bad shots, one could have been prevented, one just happened.

[Xi Bowhunter]

The difference is clear, one is a bad shot(hunter missed his mark) and the other is poor unethical shot selection. Both are bad shots, one could have been prevented, one just happened.
I agree 100%

[cephus]

What's different from a deer that dies a slow death from a badly placed body shot?


Will someone please tell me why its ok to shoot a squirrel, duck, turkey, etc etc in the head but its not ok to shoot a deer in the head?

[westkybanded]

Because Jackie Bushman dosen't do it.

[KYhunter79]

I always look to take a head or neck shot if its there. If it isn't, I'll take another shot. Every situation is different for me. I try not to force it.

But, let me be the one to say that if the most unethical thing you have ever done is take a bad shot on a deer, you are doing pretty good.

[F250Stroke]

The guy killed the deer with one shot and didnt lose it or track it.I would say many on here at one time or another would have been glad to see that as the result of their "perfect shot".Shot it in the head then it was dead.

[huntr467]

Will someone please tell me why its ok to shoot a squirrel, duck, turkey, etc etc in the head but its not ok to shoot a deer in the head?
It's not that it's different or ok for one and not the other....I think it's how it's portrayed especially in this video with the guy laughing. I personally feel bad when I make a less than perfect shot and say hit one in the back and have to get down and cut its throat. But I sure as hell would not post the video of such a thing on the net.
No one can assure us what is or is not a painless death in an animal.
Running off 150 yrds drowning in your own blood has to have some pain associated with it:rolleyes: A shotgun blast to the head that wipes out all your sensory perceptors in the brain may not be painful but may appear to be due to the flippin and floppin but No one can say for sure.
It basically boils down to respect for your quarry and if you have to return to cave man status and beat one in the head with a stick( been done) then just don't air it on the internet. Things happen when your hunting that don't always go as perfect as we would like.

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It's not that it's different or ok for one and not the other....I think it's how it's portrayed especially in this video with the guy laughing. I personally feel bad when I make a less than perfect shot and say hit one in the back and have to get down and cut its throat. But I sure as hell would not post the video of such a thing on the net.
No one can assure us what is or is not a painless death in an animal.
Running off 150 yrds drowning in your own blood has to have some pain associated with it:rolleyes: A shotgun blast to the head that wipes out all your sensory perceptors in the brain may not be painful but may appear to be due to the flippin and floppin but No one can say for sure.
It basically boils down to respect for your quarry and if you have to return to cave man status and beat one in the head with a stick( been done) then just don't air it on the internet. Things happen when your hunting that don't always go as perfect as we would like.

Well said,I think that comes as close to summing the whole thing up as can be done..........

[yote hunter]

not to change the subject but i guess i will:Dwhen the vidio starts you cant see any deer but then you hear it walking in the leaves a while before you see it.MAN i LOVE that sound;)

[Xi Bowhunter]

not to change the subject but i guess i will:Dwhen the vidio starts you cant see any deer but then you hear it walking in the leaves a while before you see it.MAN i LOVE that sound;)
One of the best sounds in the world isn't it?:)