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Should we support the American manufactures of Scopes, Firearms, and hunting supply companies.
Ever wonder what there doing with with the money we send them.
Yep, we pay for it one Chinese scope, mount, and screwdriver to put it on with, at a time. :confused:
http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2007.htm
jnkself
05-07-2007, 03:24 PM
I couldn't agree more about where our dollars go and that we should support US products as much as possible. I will always try to purchase US made products even if it costs a little more.
However, with the exception of the subs, I really don't feel that threatened by the Chinese Navy purchase of old Russian technology.
Auk1124
05-07-2007, 04:06 PM
At one time Leupold and Burris were both supposed to be US made, but I think I read that Leupold uses Japanese glass. I think I read that in recent years Burris has started using some non-US materials too. In today's world economy I doubt if any scope is totally US made and assembled. Maybe some of the top end military-style scopes?
C.L.Button
05-07-2007, 04:12 PM
Sounds like that guy is worried about job security with the new Congress ?
I buy Leupold.
C.L.Button
05-07-2007, 04:14 PM
Even American cars have foreign parts in them. Gezzz look at all the stuff that gets made in Mexico ! :mad:
Even American cars have foreign parts in them. Gezzz look at all the stuff that gets made in Mexico ! :mad:
I agree!! But why do they?? For years the American companies tried to keep us all working, selling us made in America goods. While we were taking a pay check from them, we were out buying the cheaper Japanese, Chinese, and wherever stuff. After a while many of our industries went down the tubes, So now after we killed them we can console ourselves with. "WELL THEY DON"T MAKE THEM HERE NO MORE SO IT AIN'T MY FAULT".
Real nice !!
They could not compete with child slave labor and companies that have no government restrictions on them. Yet those of us still left with a job, just keep buying the stuff quick as we could get our hands on it.
In response, what American manufactures were left said... OK BOYS, YOU WANT TO BUILD SOME OTHER COUNTRIES MILITARY AND MANUFACTURING TO SAVE YOUR SELF A DIME. WE WILL GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT. so in order to keep in line with the consumer demand they started mixing foreign content into their product line. In order to stay alive
We can come up with excuses until were blue in the face. Believe me I've heard them all. A country with no, or very little manufacturing base, and I don't mean some other country manufacturing in our country. Has very little chance of fighting and winning a war. Even worse would be trying to fight a country who you had just bought a brand new Military and manufacturing base for.
Multidigits
05-07-2007, 06:24 PM
It's all related to labor prices. EVERYBODY wants to make more money, and it drives the prices up. IF you want a 100% American made product, be prepared to pay Swarovski prices for it. If I have to pay Swarovski prices for a scope, it'll be a Swarovski scope.
It's all related to labor prices. EVERYBODY wants to make more money, and it drives the prices up. IF you want a 100% American made product, be prepared to pay Swarovski prices for it. If I have to pay Swarovski prices for a scope, it'll be a Swarovski scope.
Amen and Thank You!!
I thought we were all full of finger pointing and blame.
I didn't think so, but with people like yourself. we still have a small chance to turn the tables on this thing. We need to make it clear to the US manufactures that we will no longer buy items made elsewhere with a US name stuck on them.
F250Stroke
05-07-2007, 10:36 PM
I bought a spring replacement kit for rear brakes on my Ford truck last week and the springs were made in Taiwan and packaged in Mexico:eek:
C.L.Button
05-07-2007, 10:48 PM
IMHO The main problem is that if the companies do not generate enough revenue for the stock holders they get in trouble and the stock prices drop. So the mfg's look for ways to cut costs and keep the profit margins up. This coupled with the Nafta deal has helped in the surge of work going south and to other counties. Without the stock holders investments in the company's they would be seriously strapped for operating capitol. It is a merry-go-round that all the gears have to keep working properly on.
The Indians had a better system. Hunt and Fish all day,,,eat, drink, sleep all night. ;)
turkeytalker
05-07-2007, 11:01 PM
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NEED I SAY MORE?:mad:
IMHO The main problem is that if the companies do not generate enough revenue for the stock holders they get in trouble and the stock prices drop. So the mfg's look for ways to cut costs and keep the profit margins up. This coupled with the Nafta deal has helped in the surge of work going south and to other counties. Without the stock holders investments in the company's they would be seriously strapped for operating capitol. It is a merry-go-round that all the gears have to keep working properly on.
The Indians had a better system. Hunt and Fish all day,,,eat, drink, sleep all night. ;)
The stockholders want profit. We as consumers decide to buy or not to buy.
With out us there is no profit. We can make them rich or break them. If we, notice I said we, not nafta, not stock holders, not CEOs, or a thousand other reason one could come up with. If we as consumers stick together and tell Burris we will not buy any of their Full Field 2 scopes because they took American jobs and shipped it overseas. they will change or die.
By the way only, there FF2 line is made overseas.
Our money is what everyones after. They will do what they have to to get it.
Together we all had a hand it wrecking our manufacturing base. With the same power we used to destroy it we can bring it back. In order to fix it we have to quit pointing to everything and everyone else. Go to the mirror and your gonna see the one who wrecked it, and the only one who can save it.
Wildcat
05-07-2007, 11:33 PM
Gurn,
Good posts.
I've been saying the very same thing for years and I ask the same question several times a year.
"I'm not talking about today but in the past 25 years how many times did you reach for a foreign made product over a higher priced American made product to save money?"
Add them up to every single American everyday for the past 25 years and that will tell you where the jobs went.
Wildcat you are right. How many tanks, missles, reactors, radar stations, and so on have we bought for other countries while short changing our own. You seem to know the score. It took a long time to get this way and it will take a longer time to get it back. I know it's gonna be hard but what other choice do we have.
We are no longer the industrial giant we used to be. Many other countries rejoice in knowing this.
I say we pick one or two companies at a time, and start calling and or writing letters to them. Let them know we are not interested in whatever product they sell thats not made here with mostly US content.
Sound crazy?? Maybe so, but I'm ready to put my time and money where my mouth is. What if we got this movement started right here on the good old Kentucky Hunting Board. Recon it would make it kinda famous. :)
Multidigits
05-08-2007, 05:46 AM
Amen and Thank You!!
I thought we were all full of finger pointing and blame.
I didn't think so, but with people like yourself. we still have a small chance to turn the tables on this thing. We need to make it clear to the US manufactures that we will no longer buy items made elsewhere with a US name stuck on them.
I like cheap prices. Don't really care where it's made as long as it's a quality product.
As for a global movement getting started here on this board......who wants to start by going to work tomorrow AM and asking for a pay cut.....say to half of what your making now????? Any takers?....come on guys, we're trying to start a movement here.
MsgMills
05-08-2007, 07:36 AM
Best thing I love is the fact, that if you work at the Ford Truck Plant here in Louisville, KY. and you own a Non American Made by Union Automobile, Dodge, GM, or Ford. Then these employee's can't park their vehicles in the main parking lots of the Truck Plant. They have to all be parked at Gate 0 (zero), then the employee's have to walk to their work assignment area. That could mean a long walk for some employee's, depending on where they work in the plant...
Great idea to me........:D
I like cheap prices. Don't really care where it's made as long as it's a quality product.
As for a global movement getting started here on this board......who wants to start by going to work tomorrow AM and asking for a pay cut.....say to half of what your making now????? Any takers?....come on guys, we're trying to start a movement here.
I don't know how to respond to that. I'm a little slow. I don't think I'm figuring out the connection here. Theres no such thing as magic, free ride, or cheap prices. We have to pay sooner or later. Looking at our manufacturing base, it's clear pay day is on us already.
Did you see the link I posted showing what our cheap prices have bought?? If things keep on the same path how do we fight or win a war without a strong manufacturing base?? What are we willing to do in order to bring us back?
Multidigits
05-09-2007, 05:44 AM
I don't know how to respond to that. I'm a little slow. I don't think I'm figuring out the connection here. Theres no such thing as magic, free ride, or cheap prices. We have to pay sooner or later. Looking at our manufacturing base, it's clear pay day is on us already.
Did you see the link I posted showing what our cheap prices have bought?? If things keep on the same path how do we fight or win a war without a strong manufacturing base?? What are we willing to do in order to bring us back?
Get a good job......earn lots of money......pay a lot of it back in taxes. Once the Chinks get out of control, your tax dollars will pay to neutralize those nice things in your link and turn them back into scrap iron.
Nothing that is made overseas can't be made here in America. Most of it is. People just won't pay for the costs of it because of the labor prices, so we hire others to work for less and produce those items. Nothing really new about the idea and nothing earth shattering about it.
As mentioned, if you want to do something about, then you'll have to accept a pay cut. That includes everyone from the bottom to the top.
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