getn an ar15...few questions?

[killinmammals]

Anybody who has one have any model preferences and why? I have been lookin at a coltar15 can't remember model number, but I'm going to get one soon. Any help is appreciated..thanks
Brian

[quackrstackr]

I've been thinking about buying one as well before they're put back on the "evil" list.

Don't know that I'll ever shoot it that much but now I want to buy one "just because I can".

[AteUp]

I've had 2 and really have been getting the Black Rifle Disease here lately for another. IMO, everyone really needs two AR's.:D If you want it for long range target shooting, get one of the longer A2's. If you just want it for messing around at the range and home defense, I like the decked out shorter M4 types. Be careful when buying used. There are some Frankenguns out there that are made with different manufacturer's parts. Check out ar15.com for all the info and more. I'm a Bushmaster fan myself. This is the one I want to get now.

Bushmaster O.R.C. (Optics Ready Carbine©)
A CARBINE DESIGNED WITH THE OPTICS USER IN MIND

This top quality Bushmaster Carbine was developed for the shooter who intends to immediately add optics (scope, red dot or holographic sight) to the rifle - as it is shipped without iron sights. Various add-on rear iron sights can be easily attached to the flat-top Upper Receiver, and Bushmaster’s BMAS Front Flip-up Sight for V Match Rifles (Part # YHM-9360K) can be mounted over the Milled Gas Block. The premium 16” M4 Profile Barrel is chrome lined in both Bore and Chamber to provide Bushmaster accuracy, durability and maintenance ease.
http://bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/Images/bbbcwvmf16mforc.jpg

[AteUp]

Not my pics--from ar15.com

M4 types
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1497/1002147ze3.jpg
http://home.houston.rr.com/quijanos/middy.JPG
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/900/1002152cn4.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/Shadows.jpg

Longer barrel A2 for target shooting
http://www.cobraxp.com/images/Bushmaster%20AR%2015%2005.jpg

[AteUp]

I could look at these all day.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8868/inspirationol0.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g189/Cone_420/M4_05.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AR15%20Rifles/IMG_9385%20Stick%20a.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/rstarowe/ar15/Pics/carbine/DSC04225%20small.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5030/hpim3058ar1.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s294/Conspiro-Agnew/CAcarbine23.jpg

[C.L.Button]

I've been thinking about buying one as well before they're put back on the "evil" list.

Don't know that I'll ever shoot it that much but now I want to buy one "just because I can".

I'm with you quackrstackr ! I am looking as well. How much lunch money do I need to save ?

[AteUp]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2638/2007020923ly1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r272/nevadasun/165-6532_IMG.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/Steath16_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/bobbird7/My%20Pics1/Panther2.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/1911Alex/10.jpg
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4800/1000531ln0.jpg

[AteUp]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/muhtalicbloo/DSC01189.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/muhtalicbloo/DSC01253.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3224/dsc0003mediumcn7.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9498/20070209crlaa3.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/4i1ne4x.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/cphilip/ColtARwPhantomsm.jpg

[keith meador]

now your talkin...http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r272/nevadasun/165-6532_IMG.jpg....

[AteUp]

http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/preparedness.JPG
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/doubleup5150/100_4487.jpg

[killinmammals]

quit posting all those dang pictures....you are making me want to drive all the way back to owensboro and get one now!:D Thanks for clarifying the difference in barrels...I can't make up my mind on that part. I've heard bushmaster are really great guns. I would like the m4 style for yotes and other critters, but then again mostly I'll be playing. I'm with you guys...I want one before the evil monkeys who make thing be put their evil "list" back into effect. How much you think one of those pretty things with iron sights and m4 style barrel will run me. I'm gettin one this weekend while im back home, plus my buddies want to go shooting on Saturday and they would drop jaws when I pulled that bad boy out:cool:

[gurn]

I know Rock River makes one accurate machine. My freind around Hyden has one and it shoots like crazy.

[WhiteRubi]

Got a few, built a few, and will be building a few more.

Rock River Arms put out some GREAT products. It's good enough for the FBI & DEA.

If you have any specific questions, let me know. I've learned alot from sifting thru PAGES and PAGES at ar15.com

Some of the "Frankenguns" you should steer clear of, some are better than anything built by the big Mfg's.

[quackrstackr]

I think C.L.'s post got lost in a sea of pictures. :D

What kind of price tag do these normally run for a fairly stock unit?

I was thinking the last time that I looked at a few (several years ago) that they ran anywhere from $900-$1200.

[WhiteRubi]

I think C.L.'s post got lost in a sea of pictures. :D

What kind of price tag do these normally run for a fairly stock unit?

I was thinking the last time that I looked at a few (several years ago) that they ran anywhere from $900-$1200.

That's not far off for a good one from RRA or Bushmaster etc. You could do it cheaper or certainly for more. If any of you guys want info on AR's, let me know. I'll try to help best I can. I've built several and all have worked flawlessly. Mine has a few thousand rounds without a single malf. and never been cleaned :D

[AteUp]

Stock for around $800-1200. Check out www.gunsamerica.com to get some prices.

[AteUp]

PS: What more American way to spend your tax refund than on an evil black rifle?:eek::cool:

[cephus]

Anybody who has one have any model preferences and why? I have been lookin at a coltar15 can't remember model number, but I'm going to get one soon. Any help is appreciated..thanks
Brian


I have 3 colts. A match target comp Hbar, M4 and A2. Love all 3, Match target is a little longer, than the other 2. M4 and A2 both have collapsable stocks. have a thing for the ones with ponies on them, but Bushmasters seem to always work. Rock river is pretty good too. Check out gunbroker.com, there are a ton of them on there.

[C.L.Button]

I think C.L.'s post got lost in a sea of pictures. :D

What kind of price tag do these normally run for a fairly stock unit?

I was thinking the last time that I looked at a few (several years ago) that they ran anywhere from $900-$1200.

THANKS Quackrstackr ! I appreciate it. Those pictures sure brought back some memories. I enjoyed them. I'm looking harder now. I am VERY filmiliar with Gunbroker and Auctionarms THANKS ! :D

On another note,,, I just noticed that the smilies have been rearranged ?

[pb]

What are some of the ones you should steer clear of?

[WhiteRubi]

Although this is somewhat outdated, it's decent info:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=163620

the biggest thing to avoid:
cast receivers

all the stuff in the Hesse column from the above link are pretty undesireable, in most situations.


Chrome lined barrels will last a LOOOONG time but you give up a tiny bit of accuracy
Wilson makes MANY of the production barrels. MAny of the receivers are forged in the same location and milled/drilled at the "mfg's" site. These are where the tolerances come into play
Anodizing: GOOD Spray paint: NOT SO GOOD
Warranty: GOOD although many of the guns that are built aren't covered by warranty.These things are the chevy small block of the gun world. There are many parts and variables out there. LOTS of cool stuff and LOTS of junk.

[turkeytalker]

Got a new Bushmaster O.R.C. for 837.00 the other day.Nice gun,haven't shot it yet.A little tighter than my Colt Match HBAR,hope it shoots the same.

Anybody know of the huge gun shop around Owensboro?Ihear they have several Ar's in stock.

[cephus]

Anybody know of the huge gun shop around Owensboro?Ihear they have several Ar's in stock.

That would be whitaker's. I was just there friday, they have probably 100+/- ar's in stock. You can put your hands on all of them.

[turkeytalker]

Cephus,do you remember if they had any Rock River's in stock?I really want one but the wait is like 6weeks if you order one. Thanks for the reply

[killinmammals]

that is where I am buying mine this weekend and the last time I was there I think I remember there being a few rock rivers.

[fullstrut1]

I just bought my 2nd Rock River about 30 minutes ago. I already had an A4 Varmint and just bought a Entry Tactical. I gave a little over $900.00 out the door. The A4 will shoot less than 1/2" at 100 yds.

[turkeytalker]

Where did you purchase it at and did they have anymore in stock?

[fullstrut1]

I bought it at E-town Gun and they had one more in stock but my boss went and bought it after looking at mine. They were getting ready to order some more because my boss ordered a Coyote also. They priced the Coyote to him for $1040.00

[aceoky]

COOL Boss! ...........

:)

[FG]

I have a DPMS AP-4. It is a shorter barrel with a removable handle. and it still has the front sight. I am thinking about putting a longer barrel on it, but have no real reason. It shoots about a 2-3 inch group with the cheap ammo and much tighter with the better stuff. I bought it at Whitakkers for about $799 a year or so ago.

I have taken the handle off and put a scope on it for varmints. Even though the front sight would appear to be in the way of a scope, it does not impair the views at all. THey make taller scope mounts, but I wanted a good check rest. I went with a fixed stock. The collapsable ones just did not fit me well. I may buy another though, I can shorten the stock and, along with my supervision, my nephew will enjoy plinking with it.

I like teh gun and would buy abnother in a heart beat. They get real expensive real fast. There are more accessories than you could imagine.

[cephus]

Cephus,do you remember if they had any Rock River's in stock?I really want one but the wait is like 6weeks if you order one. Thanks for the reply


I dont remember for sure. Here is their phone #....270-229-0140

[killinmammals]

All this talk about them has got me ate up with anticipation! I sure hope I find one I like Saturday. What is everybodys favorite brand round for their guns...grain size and can you buy in bulk?

[turkeytalker]

My favorite was the win. USA cheapos at 11.99 for 40.Can't find them now but they were shooters

[AteUp]

There are more accessories than you could imagine.

You ain't lying.:cool:

http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/medium/M4_Poster_Samplesm.jpg

This one is for Keith.:cool:
http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/medium/IMG_4239.jpg

[C.L.Button]

Ateup that poster made my finger wiggle ! :eek: :D

[maxcam]

I have built a few and I can tell you they are simple and easy to assemble. The accuracy of the gun depends on the quality of the components......I like RRA recievers and Wilson makes some great top ends....The trigger assembly and stock are pretty much standard and the only real pre assembly work is in polishing a few of the trigger assebly components.....Its not necessary but with the "blacK" coating on the hammer and sheer you get a gritty feel in the action that I cannot stand.......I would recommend that you spend a few extra dollars and get a good competition trigger assembly if you want to make a good long range weapon.....Do Not use cheap russian ammo that has the lacquer coating on it without cleaning the gun after use....The lacquer coating will melting into the bolt assembly and barrel and cause problems....severe cases have been documented and in my opinion the ammo isnt that accurate anyway......

[AteUp]

..Do Not use cheap russian ammo that has the lacquer coating on it without cleaning the gun after use....The lacquer coating will melting into the bolt assembly and barrel and cause problems....severe cases have been documented and in my opinion the ammo isnt that accurate anyway......

Absolutely. The cheap-cheap stuff gums up and makes you think it's your gun's fault.

[Art]

I have a Colt HBAR competition match target and I love it. I have shot a Bushmaster and it shot good too. I figured if there was going to be any future value that I was probably better off to go with the Colt. The copies are no that much cheaper.

[WhiteRubi]

You guys should really consider building one. You get to know them inside and out AND you could save some cash. It probably sounds a little intimidating but it's fairly straight forward and you need virtually no special tools to do it.

just my 2 cents.

[FG]

Help me with something. As I said above, I recently purchased a DPMS AP -4. I am thinking about changing the for arm grip to a machined tube. How is this done? Is there a good manual to pick up. ALso, can you remove teh front sight? It looks like it has two pins, but since it is directly attached to the barrel, I do not wnat to mess with it too much.

[WhiteRubi]

Help me with something. As I said above, I recently purchased a DPMS AP -4. I am thinking about changing the for arm grip to a machined tube. How is this done? Is there a good manual to pick up. ALso, can you remove teh front sight? It looks like it has two pins, but since it is directly attached to the barrel, I do not wnat to mess with it too much.

I'm not sure what the DPMS AP-4 has for a fore end. In most cases, if you do not want a free floating fore end, it's fairly simple to add a new fore end. Front sight removal will be necessary IF you do a free floating fore end and some non-free floating. If you have your heart set on a "tube" you will need to remove the front sight. A couple of pin and the gas tube will be removed as well. If, however, you want a rail type forend for attaching lights, sights, etc, you can do it w/out removing front sight. I have a Surefire fore end. http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/carfnbr/312/sesent/00

[raktrakr]

I'm in the process of building one now,but I'm going the long way about it buying a part here and there. Now that this dreaded HR 1022 has popped up, I'm affraid I wont get it done. This is what Im going for...http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/GumbyDammit/P5030021.jpg

[AteUp]

I'm in the process of building one now,but I'm going the long way about it buying a part here and there. Now that this dreaded HR 1022 has popped up, I'm affraid I wont get it done. This is what Im going for...http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/GumbyDammit/P5030021.jpg

Sweet.:cool:

[wademup]

I used to be a black gun dealer,it is a world unto itself. If you are looking at Colt there are so many variations that price is difficult to guesstimate.
Green label,blue label,SP1 ,Match Target etc.. Colts are always at the top end price wise with Bushmaster close behind,in my personal dealings they are also the top two in quality. Be careful when building and use quality parts as there a a ton of knockoffs that are just cheap junk. If you really want to go all out put you an ACOG TA01NSN on top of a flattop receiver and let it rock!!
I sold my business after the 1999 Y2K rush and the Bush election,with the Dems gaining power I may have to get back in!!!! Probalbly met some of you Black gun dudes in times past,some of the greatest people I have known were AR guys and they truly are great guns!!

Wademup

[gurn]

All this talk about them has got me ate up with anticipation! I sure hope I find one I like Saturday. What is everybodys favorite brand round for their guns...grain size and can you buy in bulk?

Best stuff I found was the Black Hill's fmj 55gr about $15 for 50 rounds.
Military reloadable brass and the accuracy was great. Black Hill's make other 223, more expensive, but the regular 55 fmj is the cheapest and shot better than the other for me. If you can't find it, ask the gun shop to order some. You won't be sorry, it's good stuff. I think Cabelas has it to.

[killinmammals]

Thanks guys for the help and hints, I did a little looking today. Only bout 10 minutes because I had other business to take care of before places closed. I'm going back in the morning. I found a couple colts I like and one bushmaster. Didn't get a chance to look at RR or see if there were even any there. I think for this first ar, I'm going to buy one and maybe add a couple little things, then later on build one that has everything I could want on it. Since it's my first ar, a factory built one would be good to start off with. I'll be sure to put up details and pics of my new baby sunday.

[pb]

I was at Whittakers yesterday(Friday) and he had a bunch of em. All shapes, siz4es, brands and prices! Cheek Bros had 2 Thursday.

[maxcam]

Best stuff I found was the Black Hill's fmj 55gr about $15 for 50 rounds.
Military reloadable brass and the accuracy was great. Black Hill's make other 223, more expensive, but the regular 55 fmj is the cheapest and shot better than the other for me. If you can't find it, ask the gun shop to order some. You won't be sorry, it's good stuff. I think Cabelas has it to.

I liked all that I shot so far.....;)

[maxcam]

Thanks guys for the help and hints, I did a little looking today. Only bout 10 minutes because I had other business to take care of before places closed. I'm going back in the morning. I found a couple colts I like and one bushmaster. Didn't get a chance to look at RR or see if there were even any there. I think for this first ar, I'm going to buy one and maybe add a couple little things, then later on build one that has everything I could want on it. Since it's my first ar, a factory built one would be good to start off with. I'll be sure to put up details and pics of my new baby sunday.

Dont be scared.....Get on www.ar5.com (http://www.ar5.com) and www.model1sales.com (http://www.model1sales.com) and start writing down info....

All you need to do is go to a couple of gun shows and find a lower reciever or two and you can build two great guns for what a Colt will cost you.....

[WhiteRubi]

Dont be scared.....Get on www.ar5.com (http://www.ar5.com) and www.model1sales.com (http://www.model1sales.com) and start writing down info....

All you need to do is go to a couple of gun shows and find a lower reciever or two and you can build two great guns for what a Colt will cost you.....

You couldn't be more right. You could build a good AR for about $600 if you wanted to. Putting one together is really easy. Hell, I had only shot one AR before I built one. I had NEVER even cleaned one.

[AteUp]

Waiting for pics of the new baby!:cool:

[killinmammals]

I looked for dang near 45 minutes and couldn't find exactly what I wanted. So I bought an xtrema2 max4 28in barrel, shoots 3 1/2s with the k.o.! But since I didn't find an ar I liked I'm going to start building one in the next week or so.:D That way it is EXACTLY what I want and cheaper.

[AteUp]

Bummer. Guess I need to post a pic.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/Janus.jpg

[killinmammals]

:eek: why must you do this too me. My girlfriend has asked me all day why I keep looking at all these gun websites while I am supposed to be studying! Haha...I think I have about got everything picked out, when I do I'll let you know! All I'm going to say for now is that its going to be one bad machine!!

[killinmammals]

ok, well most of the details are picked out.
RRA forged lower reciever...with standard trigger...maybe 2 stage but don't know bout that yet.
RRA CAR A4 upper w/chrome lined barrel
Tacticle CAR buttstock, six position collapsible
Surefire M85 tacticle rail handguard mid-length, don't know which surefire weapon light to put on it yet.
A.R.M.S. #40L low profile flip up rear sight
EOTech Holosight Model 551
thats gonna be my "personal protection" model, of course next will be some type of varmit sniper machine. Is is bad that I haven't even ordered the first piece of my first ar but I'm already planning some on the next one???!!!:D

[C.L.Button]

OK killinmammals it is now time for you to admit that you are a BLACKGUNAHOLIC ! :eek: :D

Can't wait to see the pictures. You guys have got me looking for one now.

[killinmammals]

No C.L. I refuse to admit it! The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, I sir, do NOT have a problem!:D :D

[C.L.Button]

No C.L. I refuse to admit it! The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, I sir, do NOT have a problem!:D :D

WHAT PROBLEM ??? I know nothing,,,, :D

[C.L.Button]

Ateup on the first page of this thread there was a picture near the bottom of the page that showed a rifle that was black with a stainless barrel ? (preparedness photo) What was the brand and model # of that rifle ?

[quackrstackr]

I just saw one on TV that I want.

The Barrett M468. That thing was awesome.

I imagine cheap ammo is out of the question.

[westkybanded]

I imagine cheap ammo is out of the question.


It will be high until the US adopts it as a standard round, and even then you'll have to wait several years for surplus to start rolling out.

[killinmammals]

Yeah...I saw that one too....oh I would love to have it...maybe instead of a second ar15 I'll get that bad boy down the road....these evil black guns are controlling my mind...not to mention my wallet!

[quackrstackr]

...not to mention my wallet!

I hear that. From what little bit of looking around I did on the Barrett, one of those will set you back nearly $3k :eek:

[cephus]

I just saw one on TV that I want.

The Barrett M468. That thing was awesome.

I imagine cheap ammo is out of the question.

Check this out.....

www.dogbegone.com (http://www.dogbegone.com)

[quackrstackr]

This gun isn't their .50 cal.

It's an M16 variant that fires a 6.8mm shell. They were shooting through car doors and knocking down steel targets with it.

[WhiteRubi]

Fair warning!!!

The 6.8 SPC has all but been trashed. Remington and Hornady were making ammo, Remington has/is stopping. Not enough commercial interest. It's really too bad. The 6.8 was exactly what the military needed and is a great all around round. It's balistically similar to a .308 with the size (nearly) of a .223

On another note...

this is my AR, well, one of them Basically exactly what killinmammals is building

[AteUp]

Ateup on the first page of this thread there was a picture near the bottom of the page that showed a rifle that was black with a stainless barrel ? (preparedness photo) What was the brand and model # of that rifle ?

From the looks of it, I'd say it's this .308 from DPMS.

http://dpmsinc.com/@ssets/images/firearms/large/308_base.jpg
http://dpmsinc.com/firearms/308/base.aspx

Panther LR-308

http://dpmsinc.com/@ssets/images/firearms/308_base.jpg (http://dpmsinc.com/@ssets/images/firearms/large/308_base.jpg)
Build this Rifle Now! (http://dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=1053)

Features

Barrel:


24" Bull barrel
416 Stainless steel
6 groove, right-handed 1x10 twist, button rifled Chamber:


.308 Winchester Method of Operation:


Gas operated rotating bolt Bolt & Carrier:


8620 chrome-plated steel bolt carrier, heat treated per Mil Spec.
Phosphated 8620 steel bolt, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec. Sights:


None (mounting optics only) Weight:


Empty - 11.28 lbs Length:


43.6" Upper Receiver:


Thick walled, extruded from 6066-T6 aluminum
Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black
Snag free design, smooth side look
No dust cover
No shell deflector
No forward assist
Right hand ejection
Raised Picatinny rail for easy scope mounting Lower Receiver:


Milled from a solid billet of 6061-T6 aluminum
Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black
Standard A-15 trigger group
Integral trigger guard
Aluminum magazine release button Stock:


Standard A2 black Zytel mil spec w/trap door assembly Handguards:


Ribbed aluminum free float
2.24" Outside diameter Each rifle comes with 2- 19 rd. Steel Magazines, 1- Nylon Web Sling and 1- Cleaning Kit.

[AteUp]

Upon further examination, it appears to maybe be this one. That .308 model doesn't have the forward assist button and the photo on page one does.

Panther Bull 24

http://dpmsinc.com/@ssets/images/firearms/223_bull_24.jpg (http://dpmsinc.com/@ssets/images/firearms/large/223_bull_24.jpg)
Build this Rifle Now! (http://dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=1435)

Features

Barrel:


24" Length
416 Stainless steel bull barrel
6 grooves, right-hand 1x9 twist, button rifled Chamber:


.223 Remington Method of Operation:


Gas operated rotating bolt Bolt & Carrier:


8620 steel bolt carrier, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec
Phosphated steel bolt, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec Sights:


None (mounting optics only) Weight:


Empty - 9.8 lbs. Length:


42 7/16" Upper Receiver:


A3 Flattop, forged
7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy
Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black
Dust cover
Shell Deflector
Round Forward assist
Right hand ejection Lower Receiver:


Forged 7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy
Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black
Semi-Auto trigger group
Aluminum trigger guard
Aluminum magazine release button Stock:


Standard A2Black Zytel Mil Spec w/trap door assembly Handguards:


Aluminum ribbed free float tube. Each rifle comes with 2- 30 rd. Magazines, 1- Nylon Web Sling and 1- Cleaning Kit.

[mathewslxinky]

i have the rra's m4 in there varmiter short barrel. I have a nikion buckmasters 4.5-14 scope on it and i have only had it for about a month it will out shoot anything i have in my safe. i would put it up against my rem 700 bdl in 223 as well. these guns are great. but be advised when you get one it wont be long before you want another. i had not even left the store and i was looking at my next one. have fun building or buying. and I would have to put a good word for the rra's line.

[WhiteRubi]

i have the rra's m4 in there varmiter short barrel. I have a nikion buckmasters 4.5-14 scope on it and i have only had it for about a month it will out shoot anything i have in my safe. i would put it up against my rem 700 bdl in 223 as well. these guns are great. but be advised when you get one it wont be long before you want another. i had not even left the store and i was looking at my next one. have fun building or buying. and I would have to put a good word for the rra's line.

Chronic BRD (black rifle disease) :D

[C.L.Button]

Upon further examination, it appears to maybe be this one. That .308 model doesn't have the forward assist button and the photo on page one does.

Panther Bull 24

http://dpmsinc.com/@ssets/images/firearms/223_bull_24.jpg (http://dpmsinc.com/@ssets/images/firearms/large/223_bull_24.jpg)
Build this Rifle Now! (http://dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=1435)


Each rifle comes with 2- 30 rd. Magazines, 1- Nylon Web Sling and 1- Cleaning Kit.

THANKS Ateup OK, how much AND where do I get one ?

I think I'm in luuuuuuuuv with it. OH man I have contracted Cronic BRD ! :eek: :D

[C.L.Button]

OK I looked at their site. I found several dealers here. I'm going shopping tomorrow. :D