Clinton Objects to Confederate Flag

[ky_bull]

What a bunch of bull crap, I have nothing against anyone objecting to the confederate flag, but what a lame ars excuse. God I hope she doesnt get elected.



ORANGEBURG (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=orangeburg&sid=breitbart.com), S.C. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that South Carolina (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22South+Carolina%22&sid=breitbart.com) should remove the Confederate flag from its Statehouse grounds (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Statehouse+grounds%22&sid=breitbart.com), in part because the nation should unite under one banner while at war.



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[EKUgrad]

I was just sitting here wondering if anyone was going to post about this. I am damn tired of someone who calls New York home believing that they have an opinion that someone wants to hear about a Confederate flag flying in South Carolina, the Ten Commandments being posted in schools, etc....

[th5isback5]

:D Sounds to me like a typical women. always crying about something.:eek:

[naturalelite]

I was just sitting here wondering if anyone was going to post about this. I am damn tired of someone who calls New York home believing that they have an opinion that someone wants to hear about a Confederate flag flying in South Carolina, the Ten Commandments being posted in schools, etc....
DEAD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You said it so good I just stole it.

[turk2di]

Be sure u register & vote!

[KYCatBirdHunter]

See I've never understood this. I thought that when the Confederacy lost the war, that meant that they didn't get to fly the Confederate flag any more. We don't fly the British flag anymore. THEY LOST THE WAR!!!!

[BossGobbler]

Who is she kiddin?there arent enough Rosie O`donnels on the planet yet,but someday the gals that like gals will win out!

[EKUgrad]

See I've never understood this. I thought that when the Confederacy lost the war, that meant that they didn't get to fly the Confederate flag any more. We don't fly the British flag anymore. THEY LOST THE WAR!!!!

This is a very touchy subject, and I guess that it always will be. Unfortunately, one can only express his/her views without risking being called all sorts of unsavory things if they are on one particular side of the argument.

I believe that we are very close to losing what I consider a very important part of our heritage. The South was much more than a slavery institution -- it was a way of life, a set of beliefs and morals that are being lost, probably forever. I, for one, do not like or approve of the replacement set of thought processes and basic fundamentals upon which our society is based.

The Confederate flag continues to serve as a symbol, a reminder, for many folks of this heritage and way of life that is slowly being washed from memory.

For that reason I believe that the flag should remain. I am sick and tired of having someone who I personally believe has less of a moral foundation than myself "preach" to me and tell me what I should believe.

[MsgMills]

I don't understand the people of New York for electing her into Congress in the first place....How dumb those from New York must be, she comes in signs up to be a resident and well-la, they elect her in....To think tha the American people would vote for her to become President is insane...All people better get there heads out of their 4th point of contact and get this Bi*ch out of Office, before someone crazy mad man in his right mind does something to her...Heck Slick Willy would probably shake the hand of whoever does do her in, if it happens.....

[Rabbit Runner]

This is a very touchy subject, and I guess that it always will be. Unfortunately, one can only express his/her views without risking being called all sorts of unsavory things if they are on one particular side of the argument.

I believe that we are very close to losing what I consider a very important part of our heritage. The South was much more than a slavery institution -- it was a way of life, a set of beliefs and morals that are being lost, probably forever. I, for one, do not like or approve of the replacement set of thought processes and basic fundamentals upon which our society is based.

The Confederate flag continues to serve as a symbol, a reminder, for many folks of this heritage and way of life that is slowly being washed from memory.

For that reason I believe that the flag should remain. I am sick and tired of having someone who I personally believe has less of a moral foundation than myself "preach" to me and tell me what I should believe.
Couldnt have said it better myself. If people are allowed to burn the American flag as a freedom of speech, then why in the world cant we fly the flag of the confederacy. I guess they are afraid of the south getting fed up with all this political crap and are going to rebel again.

[buckfever]

This is a very touchy subject, and I guess that it always will be. Unfortunately, one can only express his/her views without risking being called all sorts of unsavory things if they are on one particular side of the argument.

I believe that we are very close to losing what I consider a very important part of our heritage. The South was much more than a slavery institution -- it was a way of life, a set of beliefs and morals that are being lost, probably forever. I, for one, do not like or approve of the replacement set of thought processes and basic fundamentals upon which our society is based.

The Confederate flag continues to serve as a symbol, a reminder, for many folks of this heritage and way of life that is slowly being washed from memory.

For that reason I believe that the flag should remain. I am sick and tired of having someone who I personally believe has less of a moral foundation than myself "preach" to me and tell me what I should believe.

I have no opinion about the confederate flag, except to say you are right. It is a very touchy subject.

However, I can't help but ask what "set of beliefs and morals" did the South hold that the Union did not?

I understand the "heritage" (i.e. "My family is from the south, and I'm proud of my roots") part, but I can't say I'm aware of any value set in the south that also did not exist in the north.

[naturalelite]

I have no opinion about the confederate flag, except to say you are right. It is a very touchy subject.

However, I can't help but ask what "set of beliefs and morals" did the South hold that the Union did not?

I understand the "heritage" (i.e. "My family is from the south, and I'm proud of my roots") part, but I can't say I'm aware of any value set in the south that also did not exist in the north.

Have you never seen those bumber stickers that say "ITS A SOUTHERN THING YOU WOULDN"T UNDERSTAND";)

Maybe he is talking about the food, working crops, Southern baptist, cotton gin, that kind of stuff. I am just speculating here I truely have no idea my great grand folks fought for the UNION army so I have no southern roots. I just cant stand any CLINTONS

[buckfever]

Have you never seen those bumber stickers that say "ITS A SOUTHERN THING YOU WOULDN"T UNDERSTAND";)

Maybe he is talking about the food, working crops, Southern baptist, cotton gin, that kind of stuff. I am just speculating here I truely have no idea my great grand folks fought for the UNION army so I have no southern roots. I just cant stand any CLINTONS

Most of my ancestors were confederates but had a handful of Yanks. Funny, but Kentucky is considered a southern state any place up north (especially when they hear our KY twang), but we're all just a bunch of Yanks down in Georgia or 'Bama.

So, to make a short story long, I don't know whether I oughta understand this "southern thing" or not.

p.s. I'm also not a fan of the Clintons, especially the Hilary variety. In fact, it's fair to say that I plumb don't like her.

[BearsBud]

I have no opinion about the confederate flag, except to say you are right. It is a very touchy subject.

However, I can't help but ask what "set of beliefs and morals" did the South hold that the Union did not?

I understand the "heritage" (i.e. "My family is from the south, and I'm proud of my roots") part, but I can't say I'm aware of any value set in the south that also did not exist in the north.

I would have to say that the primary belief that the South held that the North did not cotton to was the belief that the federal government should not dictate to the state government how the states should be run. Which, by the way, was the primary cause of the Civil War. And, which is the same thing that Hillary is trying to do now, interfer with the State.

[EKUgrad]

Political views aside (which is an entirely separate, albeit legitimate topic of discussion) -- there is a reason that "gentleman" is often proceeded by the word "Southern", and it has nothing to do with the political topics of the mid 19th century...

For example, just the other day I was speaking with an insurance representative on the phone (a job that I absolutely abhor, by the way). She was from somewhere up north, and she made the comment that I must be "from the South". When I inquired as to why she said that (I have been brainwashed into changing my dialect when conducting business affairs with those whom I do not have a working relationship, for the local dialect is quite often mistaken for a relative lack of intellect by the uninformed), her reply was "you are so polite. whenever I speak to someone polite I know that they are either military or Southern".

Which brings me to another topic -- have you noticed that all good soldiers in movies have a Southern dialect? I do not believe that this is random or coincidence.

Courtesy, manners, hospitality, honor.... the list of admirable traits that are commonly used in conjunction with, or in reference to, the Southern way of life is not by chance, IMO.

[Rem7600]

Hill would probably be happier if she stayed north of DC. I know that I would be happier if she did.

[chadwimc]

"Courtesy, manners, hospitality, honor.... the list of admirable traits that are commonly used in conjunction with, or in reference to, the Southern way of life is not by chance, IMO."

Its not a southern thing. Its being raised to be respectful. It happens in all parts of the U.S. The only thing is, some of us have stubborn German blood in us. We feel respect has to be earned:D

[Rabbit Runner]

"Courtesy, manners, hospitality, honor.... the list of admirable traits that are commonly used in conjunction with, or in reference to, the Southern way of life is not by chance, IMO."

Its not a southern thing. Its being raised to be respectful. It happens in all parts of the U.S. The only thing is, some of us have stubborn German blood in us. We feel respect has to be earned:D

Well then i guess more people are raised to be respectful in the south. Northerners have always had a reputation for being snobby know it alls.
JMO

[MsgMills]

Explains why Hitlery moved to New York...Snobs have to be around snobs....Case Closed.....

[quackrstackr]

in part because the nation should unite under one banner while at war.


If anyone believes for a second that this is anything other than pre-emptive pandering for the black vote, I've got a piece of property to talk to you about. ;)

I'm not sure what flag they're actually flying at the statehouse, but it's pretty common that people call the Confederate Navy Jack "the Confederate flag" when it was only a naval battle flag. I believe a Congressman from S.C. actually came up with the design, hence another reason that they probably fly one there apart from the southern heritage that it stands for.

[mossyhorns]

Hilary also said that if Bush doesn't end the war in Iraq before he leaves office, she will end it when she is president.

I suspect that once hell freezes over, the situation in Iraq won't matter much.

[bcdh1]

It's okay, let her have presidency. Than we can all band together and let the south rise again.

[grouser68]

Seems another Dem bashing thread has raised it's ugly head! Guys, there are many more issues than the Confederate flag you can bash the Dem's and Hillary on! Numerous Republicans have in the past, and present come out either in support of banning the flag, or have taken no position on it.But watch when a Dem comes out on the issue and the bashing starts.

IMHO, let the south keep their flag, their heritage, their traditions!

Wonder what ol' Abe and his republican party would think walking past the state capitol buildings with that flag flying? Actually amusing that is was Abe, and the republican party that defeated the south.

[quackrstackr]

The only Dem. vs Rep. connotations that this thread has are the ones that you are attempting to bring to it.

Hillary bashing, yes. Discussion over the implications of flying a Confederate flag, yes. But certainly not what you would like for it to turn into.

I have no doubt that there would still be quite a bit of flaming going on regardless of which possible future Presidential candidate decided to make issue of it.

[skin_dog1]

See I've never understood this. I thought that when the Confederacy lost the war, that meant that they didn't get to fly the Confederate flag any more. We don't fly the British flag anymore. THEY LOST THE WAR!!!!
Why? Because I have ancestors that died under that flag fighting for what they believed in! Right or wrong, they were doing what their heart drove them to do.

[aceoky]

Why? Because I have ancestors that died under that flag fighting for what they believed in! Right or wrong, they were doing what their heart drove them to do.

It's none of her business anyway, IF she doesn't want to fly it then don't....why does she care when some choose to do it?????

Our freedoms (which are NOT free but paid for with life,loss of limbs and much blood btw) are being "stolen" by those who "CLAIM to know what is best for everyone else"......IMO

[aceoky]

*I* don't really see what difference it makes what party one belongs to (much less is a "Leader" of) when they make STUPID comments on things that in the grand scheme of things don't even matter ........:confused: :confused:

Whether it's this topic or because guns "look funny" they should be banned....or whatever...stupid IS stupid and is not limited to any one party IMHO

[plowboy]

Well here goes, in spite of better sense and judgement. Dagnabit I have to agree, where do we get off flying a flag over a state house that is not the official flag of that state or the United States of America? I know that I am going to get slammed over this post but too bad. The people of this country (and that includes both north and south) have fought hard and shed a lot of blood in the name of FREEDOM and all that it stands for and yes I know that gives them the right to fly which ever flag they desire, but gee whiz. Hello.

[quackrstackr]

As I understand it, it is not flying over the statehouse. It is simply flying beside a monument to Confederate soldiers in front of it.

[BiggerBuck]

I agree. How dare you Grouser take offence to these comments and post a different point of view. You should be ashamed of yourself. Why cant you just join everyone else and jump in the Hillary bashing train? Why do you have to think deeper into the comments?
I just think it is funny how some guys react over Hillary. A powerful woman sacares alot of y'all.
Just in case you were wondering what John McCain said about the Confederate flag debat in the 2000 primary:

McCain said he should have been more direct when asked about the flag, issuing a detailed statement noting his Confederate ancestry.

“Those ancestors of mine might have fought honorably, but they fought to sever the union of our great nation,” he said. “They fought on the wrong side of American history. That, my friends, is how I personally feel about the Confederate battle flag. That is the honest answer I never gave to a fair question. I believe the flag should be removed from your Capitol.”

I am not trying to start anything here I am just saying that it seems that these two senators have the same opinion and they just so happen to be running for president next year. Kinda interesting.

[BiggerBuck]

All of these comments that you guys are posting about Hillary and the confederate flag just insert John McCain's name instead. And instead of New York just insert Arizona. The only difference is you cant make comments about a woman, not as fun I know.
It will be interesting if McCain will stick to his original comments or if he will be another flip flopper.

[skin_dog1]

Another reason why I won't vote for McCain!

[ky_bull]

I feel as thought I should comment on the reason I posted this thread in the first place. I begin by saying yes, I dont like Hillary Clinton, and its not because shes a woman. I just beleive she will say and do whatever she can to get elected. This is my opinion. Shes already proven that the south is not good enough for her when she decided to move to New York from her home state of Arkansas where husband was once governor. If shes such a proud strong woman, why didnt she attempt to run for office in Arkansas. If Im correct, a woman has never been elected from Arkansas in the position she holds now. I am a republican, but I would not have a problem voting for a democrat if I felt they were the better choose.

[kevhunter]

Socialism is what I cant vote for.:eek:

[BiggerBuck]

i didnt know that there was someone running as a socialist.
This country is the farthest thing from socialism so you dont have to worry about voting for anything that resmbles a socialistic idea.

[kevhunter]

Hillary is a socialist in my opinion.

[EKUgrad]

One of the biggest topics is healthcare, and the current buzzword is "universal healthcare".

Quick flashback to 1992 -- Hillary's plan at that time was a largely state sponsored "universal healthcare"...

Healthcare is one of the largest and fastest growing sectors in the economy. To take this large of a segment of the economy to a single payor, government sponsored model is as socialistic as it gets....

[kevhunter]

One of the biggest topics is healthcare, and the current buzzword is "universal healthcare".

Quick flashback to 1992 -- Hillary's plan at that time was a largely state sponsored "universal healthcare"...

Healthcare is one of the largest and fastest growing sectors in the economy. To take this large of a segment of the economy to a single payor, government sponsored model is as socialistic as it gets....

Thank you....

[BiggerBuck]

there are not too many fans of the Clinton health care package. I do not remember the ligistics of why. It doesnt matter becouse it didnt get voted in
Do you think that our healthcare system is just fine and that if it went a little socialistic that it would wreck our economy?
Do you know that the number one reason the ordinary american becomes bankrupt is secondary to paying their medical bills.

[trust me]

The problem with Hillary's health care plan of 1992 was summed up by her; I used to know it verbatim. It essentially went: "We have to make decisions for the American people. They are not capable of making decisions for themselves."

I wish I could find it. It was in a memo written to one of her staffers, whop promptly quit her team.

[EKUgrad]

there are not too many fans of the Clinton health care package. I do not remember the ligistics of why. It doesnt matter becouse it didnt get voted in
Do you think that our healthcare system is just fine and that if it went a little socialistic that it would wreck our economy?
Do you know that the number one reason the ordinary american becomes bankrupt is secondary to paying their medical bills.


If you really want to know the answer -- no the health care system is not perfect in its current state -- but it is the best for the individual (with regards to choice and access and not the dollar) of any system in existence.

If you really want to distill down the problems with health care -- consider two main factors -- disease mix and resource utilization.

Regarding the disease mix -- you should look no further than the lifestyle choices and attitude of people that you meet during the day. A substantial portion of the problems can be directly attributed to obesity, smoking, poor diet, inactivity.... diabetes, heart disease, even several cancers are directly related to the above. Dealing with these chronic, expensive problems consume a very large amount of the healthcare dollar.

Next you would have to look at where the healthcare dollars are being spent. Some very difficult, and very unpopular, decisions will have to be made when the time comes and the financial situation dictates that we start to "ration" or cost-base health care decisions. These changes will be painful, unpopular, but very necessary... yet you do not hear anyone preaching about how these things will need to be addressed if we are ever to hope for a meaningful change in the healthcare arena.

[EKUgrad]

there are not too many fans of the Clinton health care package. I do not remember the ligistics of why. It doesnt matter becouse it didnt get voted in
Do you think that our healthcare system is just fine and that if it went a little socialistic that it would wreck our economy?
Do you know that the number one reason the ordinary american becomes bankrupt is secondary to paying their medical bills.

Yes, it would have a much greater impact than you would think at first glance. If we just consider KY, excluding Jefferson & Fayette, healthcare is either the number one or two employer in most counties (with the public school system being the other major employer). Much of the job growth has been in the healthcare arena, and, in many parts of the state, healthcare is the only decent paying job that there is. Tons of money is poured into local economies as the result of the healthcare establishment. Removing the profit from the healthcare sector would result in more far-reaching economic adverse effects than would be predicted.

[BiggerBuck]

We see the healthcare crisis a little differently
You think that if we went to a universal coverage that it will somehow affect our local economy because the money that we are paying for our tertiary care will be lost and people will lose jobs and hospitals will go out of business, a bit exaggeration I know.
I think that if we do some dramatic changes and eliminate pharmaceuticals and insurance companies from drafting our policies and take back control from the HMOs we can lower premiums and start doing what we need to do such as primary and secondary prevention.
When someone cannot receive their meds and get admitted to the hospital it cost us 5-10 times as much to cover that patient.
The HMOs have too much power eg. Medicaid plan D. Lawyers have a hard time understanding it much less seniors. And once you enroll you are stuck and you cant change your plan, but your plan can change. That is not fair and that is the system we live in. This effects our economy DIRECTLY.
I just dont accept your argument.

[EKUgrad]

I don't disagree with your argument -- there is truth in what you are saying, but the changes that you propose are not directed at the source of the problem -- you are catching it at some midway point in the process. The changes suggested would result in incremental gains at best, but without addressing the source of the poor health states (i.e. primary prevention), any change implemented is doomed to fail ultimately.

HMO's have far too much say, agreed.

Pharmaceutical co's profits are nice (if you own/work for a Pharma Co)

[BiggerBuck]

Do you appreciate pharmaceutical profits?
Do you think that they deserve such high profits?

[BiggerBuck]

I do not have all the answers. There are people that do and they are being suppressed from politians and institutions that are at the mercy and lead of big Pharmaceuitcals and Insurance companies.
What I am suggesting is get these monsters away from the table and let medical professionals make the decions and allow the governments to nigotiate prices instead of pharmaceuticals setting the prices.