Tubby in hiding

[C.L.Button]

I just saw on an AOL ESPN link that Tubby has gone into hiding. Not a joke,,,

[Xi Bowhunter]

Can you post the link?:confused:

[C.L.Button]

I will try. I'm a Chef, not a computer operator. :eek: :D

[C.L.Button]

Gezzzz it took me long enough to find it but here it is.

http://ncaabasketball.aolsportsblog.com/2007/02/17/kentucky-athletic-department-moves-tubby-smith-to-undisclosed-u/

[Art]

Not true, but it very well could be if we lose another game or two over the next week.

If we had a decent AD at UK then I wouldn't feel so apprehensive about a possible coaching change. They better have ALL their ducks in a row to replace Tubby if he were to leave (he'll never get fired) because things could go from bad to worse in 2 years or less... If I were the AD then I would put more of an emphasis on finding a coach that is much better with recruiting then the X's and O's. It's much easier for great players to play great then it is to try and make decent players play great.

[KYHUNTER14]

Not true, but it very well could be if we lose another game or two over the next week.

If we had a decent AD at UK then I wouldn't feel so apprehensive about a possible coaching change. They better have ALL their ducks in a row to replace Tubby if he were to leave (he'll never get fired) because things could go from bad to worse in 2 years or less... If I were the AD then I would put more of an emphasis on finding a coach that is much better with recruiting then the X's and O's. It's much easier for great players to play great then it is to try and make decent players play great.

UK- poor recruiter, supposedly a good X and O guy
Florida- just the opposite

That pretty much proves the point.

[WBBP]

JP, Hammer, and Hickey: Can any of you three please give your opinion on this stat I pulled off CL's thread:

Unbelievable (but real) stat warning: Kentucky is 2-13 against the last 15 ranked teams they've played.

This should be an interesting mix of chirping, wiggling, and denial. :D

K

[maxcam]

Not true, but it very well could be if we lose another game or two over the next week.

If we had a decent AD at UK then I wouldn't feel so apprehensive about a possible coaching change. They better have ALL their ducks in a row to replace Tubby if he were to leave (he'll never get fired) because things could go from bad to worse in 2 years or less... If I were the AD then I would put more of an emphasis on finding a coach that is much better with recruiting then the X's and O's. It's much easier for great players to play great then it is to try and make decent players play great.

Uh I believe Tubby was hired by CM wasnt he?

[Art]

Uh I believe Tubby was hired by CM wasnt he?


Yes, but I think we all know that Mitch is worse than CM ever was.. It will be Mitch that has the job of getting the new coach, not CM. See my point?

[maxcam]

Yes, but I think we all know that Mitch is worse than CM ever was.. It will be Mitch that has the job of getting the new coach, not CM. See my point?


Didnt CM hire Pitino?

Point is Lee Todd needs to go along with Tubby for what he allowed to happen to the football team and for hiring Mitch!

[AteUp]

Unbelievable, the last time UK had back to back Februarys with 3 straight losses was 1922-23. Tubby should be in hiding. By this point in the season the have had 25 or so games to improve, not get worse.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007702180567
A February to forget for Wildcats
TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — In lieu of a new column from yesterday's University of Kentucky basketball loss at Alabama, please refer to previous columns from Wildcat losses to Vanderbilt, Florida and Tennessee.

They may be found via Google search for the following terms: "double-digit deficit," "second-half comeback," " coming up short," "three-point ineptitude" or "underachievement."

Thank you.

Apparently, I'm not allowed to do that.

It's all right for the Cats to keep playing the same game, but I can't keep writing the same column. Fine. Here's a new angle for you:

George Buchheit.

Don't pretend you know who he is. He was the UK coach from 1920-'24.

So what could he possibly have to do with UK's 72-61 loss to the Crimson Tide yesterday?

This: Yesterday's loss was the Cats' third straight, marking the second year in a row that UK has had three-game losing streaks in February. The last time that happened at UK, Buchheit was coach. It was 1922 and '23. Alumni Gym was still a blueprint. Adolph Rupp was an upperclassman at Kansas, working part time in the Jayhawk Café and playing for Phog Allen and his assistant James Naismith, who invented the game.

So, you know, it's been a while.

Before coach Tubby Smith arrived, the last time UK had lost two games in a row in February was in 1994. They nearly lost a third straight, falling behind by 31 at Louisiana State. But that team roared back to stage the biggest second-half comeback in NCAA basketball history.
Losing is snowballing

The problem with this team isn't that it has lost three straight. It's that losing has not stoked the fires. The Cats aren't losing to better teams. Sure the road is tough, but the Alabama team that beat UK is as fraudulent as a Nick Saban news conference.

The Tide was waiting to get beat, letting UK hang around, much like Tennessee did earlier in the week. But the Cats couldn't oblige. And the problem now is that losing can beget more losing. It can spread like the flu, and Smith knows it.

"We've got to be concerned about just where we are mentally," Smith said. " … It's contagious. It can be contagious good, but this is contagiously bad, and that's something we're always trying to guard against."

From the looks of UK players, these three losses have left the team ailing.

Randolph Morris admitted that his "head wasn't in the game," though he couldn't say where exactly it was. Ramel Bradley described a three-game losing streak at UK like this: "You lose one at Kentucky it's … I mean, losing three? It's suicide again."

Bradley also said, "Hey, you've got to hit rock bottom before you can succeed again. That's the way you got to look at it, I think."

So, Ramel, is this rock bottom?

"I hope it is," he said.
Lowering bar of expectations

I don't know. There have been criticisms of Smith over the years, but most have centered on his ability to assemble talent, not his ability to get it to play together. But this team appears to have a disconnect.

"We're repeating the same mistakes," Smith said. "And that's what's disturbing. We probably need to do a lot more film work, breakdown work. And then we'll see what happens."

This is still an NCAA Tournament team -- though the Cats are looking at another first-day appearance in the SEC Tournament. And if the skid continues, who knows?

A month ago the challenge was to develop for a tournament run. Now the challenge is merely to beat average teams. Smith's teams have not always been the most talented, but they have rarely regressed.

With four tough games left, UK has a chance to be one of them. And for fans whose optimism was fired during an 11-game winning streak, that feels like a load of Buchheit.

Reach Eric Crawford at (502) 582-4372 or ecrawford@courier-journal.com. Comment on this column, and read his blog at www.courier-journal.com/crawford.

[DonJovi]

MB is doing a fine job as AD. I don't understand why everyone pidgeon holes him because of the the mens basketball team stinks to high heaven right now. It's widly know that any one can email him and truly makes an effort to return all emails himself, do you think CMN woud return emails like that. The baseball, football, soccor, womens basketball, cheerleading,and gymcats are doing well. The only thing that he could change is the band and the basketball team. He better fix the basketball team first.

Donnie

[slickhead slayer]

Mitch is very receptive to e-mail, and as far as I know answers almost all the sincere e-mails himself. However, this time I wouldn't be very optimistic that you will get a reply. He is being inundated with e-mails right now. Every UK message board that I visit has started an e-mail blitz to him in regards to getting rid of Tubby. I sent my letter and will let you know if I get a response. With the tens of thousand that are being sent, we will probbaly all get a form letter.
Anyone interested in supporting the UK program, andgetting rid of Tubby should drop him a line. The more e-mails sent, the better chance he gets rid of Tubby, and the sooner.
Here is his e-mail, drop him a line.




mbarn@uky.edu

[DonJovi]

Hey Slick Head you been reading Rupps Rafters to?? LOL

Donnie

[AteUp]

Here is his e-mail, drop him a line.


mbarn@uky.edu

Thanks, I'm gonna drop him a line and tell him to keep the Tub around as long as possible! Maybe mine will be the only one he reads.;):D

[naturalelite]

Thanks, I'm gonna drop him a line and tell him to keep the Tub around as long as possible! Maybe mine will be the only one he reads.;):D

I can't believe you would say such things..........

[AteUp]

I can't believe you would say such things..........

http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/JS_tubby_smith_erlin.JPG

[KYhunter79]

Don't kill the messenger....

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u139/DieHardCards/caveman.jpg

[MsgMills]

Don't kill the messenger....

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u139/DieHardCards/caveman.jpg

Dang, go ahead and drive that dagger a little deeper the 79......

[Art]

Don't kill the messenger....

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u139/DieHardCards/caveman.jpg


That's funny as heck, photoshopped, but still funny! I'd bet anything a UK fan did that.

[slickhead slayer]

Hey Slick Head you been reading Rupps Rafters to?? LOL

Donnie

Thats one of a few I frequent. The Tubby supporters have dwindled down to almost zero. Best i can tell, there are about two left out about 40,000 that visit the site. And who knows, those two might be Donna and Saul.
Or I guess it could be Hicky and Hammer.
I haven't seen hammer or hickey post lately, bet at least one of the two if not both, is off the Tubby wagon.

[DonJovi]

I suspected Donna may have been posting over there.LOL

All we need now is for TCCAT to post on here. THat would make my day. LOL

[slickhead slayer]

Here is our last 5 recruiting classes. A coach at UK has three of his last 5 recruiting classes unranked. How do some of you defend this guy??????


2002 - not ranked
2003 - not ranked
2004 - #2
2005 - not ranked
2006 -#14

[slickhead slayer]

And here is this years list of top 100 recruits. Tubby appears to be keeping the streak alive.



1 O.J. Mayo --USC
2 Eric Gordon -- Indiana
3 Kevin Love -- UCLA
4 Kyle Singler -- Duke
5 Michael Beasley -- Kansas State
6 Derrick Rose -- Memphis
7 Donte Greene -- Syracuse
8 Bill Walker -- Kansas State
9 Jerryd Bayless -- Arizona
10 Kosta Koufos -- Ohio State
11 Patrick Patterson ?
12 Anthony Randolph -- LSU
13 Austin Freeman -- Georgetown
14 Nick Calathes -- Florida
15 James Harden -- Arizona State
16 DeAndre Jordan -- Texas A&M
17 Herb Pope New -- Mexico State
18 Lacedarius Dunn -- Baylor
19 Durrell Summers -- Michigan State
20 Blake Griffin -- Oklahoma
21 J.J. Hickson -- North Carolina State
22 E'Twaun Moore -- Purdue
23 Johnny Flynn -- Syracuse
24 James Anderson -- Oklahoma State
25 Jamelle Horne -- Arizona
26 Gary Johnson -- Texas
27 Corey Stokes -- Villanova
28 Cole Aldrich -- Kansas
29 Chris Allen -- Michigan State
30 Kalin Lucas -- Michigan State
31 Nolan Smith -- Duke
32 Scott Martin -- Purdue
33 Alex Legion -- Michigan
34 Chris Wright -- Georgetown
35 Gani Lawal -- Georgia Tech
36 Taylor King -- Duke
37 Mac Koshwal -- DePaul
38 James Johnson -- Wake Forest
39 Corperryale Harris -- Michigan
40 Darquavis Tucker -- DePaul
41 Anthony McClain ?
42 Solomon Alabi -- Florida State
43 JaJuan Johnson -- Purdue
44 DeJuan Blair -- Pittsburgh
45 Tracy Smith -- North Carolina State
46 Jai Lucas ??
47 Senario Hillman -- Alabama
48 Rick Jackson -- Syracuse
49 Clint Chapman -- Texas
50 Chris Wright -- Dayton
51 Dorenzo Hudson -- Virginia Tech
52 Julian Vaughn -- Florida State
53 Robbie Hummel -- Purdue
54 Gus Gilchrist -- Virginia Tech
55 Jeff Teague -- Wake Forest
56 Chandler Parsons -- Florida
57 Dominique Sutton -- Kansas State
58 Matthew Bryan-Amaning --Washington
59 Rico Pickett -- Alabama
60 Austin Daye -- Gonzaga
61 Alex Tyus -- Florida
62 Jon Diebler -- Ohio State
63 Marcus Morris -- Memphis
64 Jeff Robinson -- Memphis
65 Chace Stanback -- UCLA
66 Antonio Jardine -- Syracuse
67 Tyrel Reed -- Kansas
68 Jeff Jones -- Virginia
69 Jason Henry - -Cincinnati
70 Evan Turner -- Ohio State
71 Craig Brackins -- Iowa State
72 Laron Dendy -- Clemson
73 George Goode -- Louisville
74 Josh Southern -- Boston College
75 Braxton Dupree -- Maryland
76 Jeremy Price -- Georgia
77 Ravern Johnson -- Mississippi State
78 Michael Holmes -- South Carolina
79 Demetri McCamey -- Illinois
80 Dallas Lauderdale -- Ohio State
81 Dele Coker -- Saint John's (NY)
82 Eli Holman -- Indiana
83 Corey Fisher -- Villanova
84 Corey Chandler -- Rutgers
85 Drew Viney -- Oregon
86 Martavius Adams -- Oklahoma State
87 Keaton Nankivil -- Wisconsin
88 Jon Leuer -- Wisconsin
89 Maurice Miller -- Georgia Tech
90 Rakim Sanders -- Boston College
92 Brandon McGee -- Indiana
93 Keenan Ellis -- UAB
94 Eric Wallace --Ohio State
95 Omondi Amoke -- California
96 Justin Knox -- Alabama
97 A.J. Stewart -- Kentucky
98 Jamelle McMillan -- Arizona State
99 Sam Muldrow --South Carolina

[DonJovi]

Here is another interesting fact I heard the other day. In two years we will not have a senior day due to JC being a redshirt and the rest being transfers. When was the last time TS redhirted a player (I realy don't think has ever other than JC)? So in two years we are going to be in the same boat we are in now. Another usless senior class.

Donnie

[Art]

Here is another interesting fact I heard the other day. In two years we will not have a senior day due to JC being a redshirt and the rest being transfers. When was the last time TS redhirted a player (I realy don't think has ever other than JC)? So in two years we are going to be in the same boat we are in now. Another usless senior class.

Donnie


How we ended up blowing a scholarship on Carter is beyond me. You can just look at the guy and tell he's not UK material or D1 material for that matter. That was kind of a wake up call that our recruiting isn't cutting it... I had heard that Tubby was not the one in charge of the recruiting for the most part and that there were supposed to be changes made in that area by Tubby, but that did not happen for whatever reason.

[mcdenney]

JP, Hammer, and Hickey: Can any of you three please give your opinion on this stat I pulled off CL's thread:

Unbelievable (but real) stat warning: Kentucky is 2-13 against the last 15 ranked teams they've played.

This should be an interesting mix of chirping, wiggling, and denial. :D

K

Where are these boys? I am sure they are out celebrating our mediocre success we have been having lately. Common guys, he is a good coach and this is a good team............, right? .....PLEASE:rolleyes: somebody put them out of the misery.

[ryan hickey]

Where are these boys? I am sure they are out celebrating our mediocre success we have been having lately. Common guys, he is a good coach and this is a good team............, right? .....PLEASE:rolleyes: somebody put them out of the misery.



i just feel like alot of u guys jump the gun to bash tubby and our cats. i was disapointed (to say the least)with the performance of last year's team, they seemed to have plenty of talent and for whatever reason (maybe bad coaching :) ) could never seem to put it together. MOST of u guys were bashing this year's team in november, just didn't make alot of sense to me. i never said that tubby HAS TO BE THE COACH, or that he is THE GUY, but rather that alot of you are too quick to criticize. i DO like this year's crop of freshmen - and i think alot of u guys that bash UK prolly think they are pretty good too. maybe it IS time for tubby to go, but u guys been hollerin about it all year, and up until the last coupla weeks there really was nothing to complain about. bottom line, i'll be rooting for the cats whoever coaches them...:)

[maxcam]

i just feel like alot of u guys jump the gun to bash tubby and our cats. i was disapointed (to say the least)with the performance of last year's team, they seemed to have plenty of talent and for whatever reason (maybe bad coaching :) ) could never seem to put it together. MOST of u guys were bashing this year's team in november, just didn't make alot of sense to me. i never said that tubby HAS TO BE THE COACH, or that he is THE GUY, but rather that alot of you are too quick to criticize. i DO like this year's crop of freshmen - and i think alot of u guys that bash UK prolly think they are pretty good too. maybe it IS time for tubby to go, but u guys been hollerin about it all year, and up until the last coupla weeks there really was nothing to complain about. bottom line, i'll be rooting for the cats whoever coaches them...:)

Ryan I root for them everday, but that doesnt mean I have to agree that they are a good team.....Nor does it mean that I have to support a coach that has had more than enough time to make changes and or improvements that are necessary to put UofK where they belong!

[ryan hickey]

Ryan I root for them everday, but that doesnt mean I have to agree that they are a good team.....Nor does it mean that I have to support a coach that has had more than enough time to make changes and or improvements that are necessary to put UofK where they belong!



never said u had to support tubby or the cats, only that alot of u guys are too quick to bash the team, its like u live for the oppurtunity to say "SEE THAT??!! WE SUCK!!"

not to single u out max, alot of my freinds are the same way. i'm not sure what the answer is - but it ain't mark few ;)

[maxcam]

never said u had to support tubby or the cats, only that alot of u guys are too quick to bash the team, its like u live for the oppurtunity to say "SEE THAT??!! WE SUCK!!"

not to single u out max, alot of my freinds are the same way. i'm not sure what the answer is - but it ain't mark few ;)

Ill admit that Gonzaga is having a bad year, but at least they play with all they have the entire game.....Did you see the Memphis game by chance?

Sorry if you think Im bashing, just callin em like I see em!

[Art]

I think I'd rather have Bruce Pearl then Mark Few.

[KYCatBirdHunter]

I'd rather have bruce pearl than most coaches out there. Talk about a firestarter.

[Art]

I'd rather have bruce pearl than most coaches out there. Talk about a firestarter.

We need someone with that fire and someone who can recruit. I think Bruce Pearl could use the KY name to recruit much better than the tubster.

[ryan hickey]

Ill admit that Gonzaga is having a bad year, but at least they play with all they have the entire game.....Did you see the Memphis game by chance?

Sorry if you think Im bashing, just callin em like I see em!


hey man its cool, don't apologize. if it ain't bashin max then what exactly would u call it??

no offense man, but when u said we oughta bring in mark few i dang near had a coniption (sp?) fit..:)

[maxcam]

hey man its cool, don't apologize. if it ain't bashin max then what exactly would u call it??

no offense man, but when u said we oughta bring in mark few i dang near had a coniption (sp?) fit..:)

Im tellin you that Mark Few is an awesome coach......You need to take an in depth look at his resume and dont forget he did have the National College Player of the Year....If he can do that at Gonzaga what could he accomplish at UofK......

If the stats back up the claim it aint bashin...Its fact!

[slickhead slayer]

hey man its cool, don't apologize. if it ain't bashin max then what exactly would u call it??



I call it being concerned about the awful and tragic route that this program is enduring.
I am not sure how anyone can call themselves a true UK fan, and not be enraged at the direction Tubby has taken us in since he took over.

[Art]

Few is a great coach, but if I was the AD I'd be looking for a guy that is fired up about basketball and has a youthful energy as well as being a great coach. I'm not so sure Few has those qualities.

[buckfever]

hey man its cool, don't apologize. if it ain't bashin max then what exactly would u call it??

no offense man, but when u said we oughta bring in mark few i dang near had a coniption (sp?) fit..:)

I doubt Mark Few would leave Gonzaga, but I'm a little perplexed as to why you would ever have a "fit" if UK hired Mark Few. If you polled all of the AD's around the country who they would rather have as their coach, I'd bet that Few would win hands down.

Few took an absolutely unknown tiny school located in Spokane, WA and turned them into a perennial powerhouse. I'd bet there are fewer than 10 schools nationally that have performed better than Gonzaga over the past 10 years. If he can recruit players to THAT school, then just imagine what he might do at UK.

I'm guessing it's b/c Gonzaga is out on the west coast, so we don't see them as much. Sooooo, let's put it into perspective by looking at some of the more regional coaches. Bill Self - Tulsa and now Kansas (is he good enough for UK?); Thad Matta - Xavier and now OSU (anybody have a fit if he coached the Cats?); Mike Kryzezwski - Duke (He's done all right).

I like Pearl also, but I think you're absolutely deluded if you think Few wouldn't be a great catch for the Cats.

[Art]

Matta is probably the only one of those mentioned that we'd have a chance with. I wouldn't leave Kansas or Duke for UK.

[maxcam]

Actually no active coach in the country has a better winning percentage than Mark Few over the last 8 years.....Another little fact that you might want to think about.....Gonzaga is a Jesuit School.....Not exactly easy to recruit too!

[Art]

Actually no active coach in the country has a better winning percentage than Mark Few over the last 8 years.....Another little fact that you might want to think about.....Gonzaga is a Jesuit School.....Not exactly easy to recruit too!

Winning percentages are not everything though. I hear Tubby has a pretty good one in every month except March.

[JP]

JP, Hammer, and Hickey: Can any of you three please give your opinion on this stat I pulled off CL's thread:

Unbelievable (but real) stat warning: Kentucky is 2-13 against the last 15 ranked teams they've played.

This should be an interesting mix of chirping, wiggling, and denial. :D

K

man....those 2 wins sure were sweet. :D :D

Here is our last 5 recruiting classes. A coach at UK has three of his last 5 recruiting classes unranked. How do some of you defend this guy??????


2002 - not ranked
2003 - not ranked
2004 - #2
2005 - not ranked
2006 -#14

This isn't completely accurate... http://interact.cstv.com/recruiting/basketball.cfm of course it depends on where you look. Not saying our recruiting classes have been excellent, but they've been good...its the development of those recruits that I worry about more than actual recruiting....and of course selection....Does this team have a power forward?? and have they had one since Chuck Hayes (who by the way was forced to play center)?

[ryan hickey]

I doubt Mark Few would leave Gonzaga, but I'm a little perplexed as to why you would ever have a "fit" if UK hired Mark Few. If you polled all of the AD's around the country who they would rather have as their coach, I'd bet that Few would win hands down.

Few took an absolutely unknown tiny school located in Spokane, WA and turned them into a perennial powerhouse. I'd bet there are fewer than 10 schools nationally that have performed better than Gonzaga over the past 10 years. If he can recruit players to THAT school, then just imagine what he might do at UK.

I'm guessing it's b/c Gonzaga is out on the west coast, so we don't see them as much. Sooooo, let's put it into perspective by looking at some of the more regional coaches. Bill Self - Tulsa and now Kansas (is he good enough for UK?); Thad Matta - Xavier and now OSU (anybody have a fit if he coached the Cats?); Mike Kryzezwski - Duke (He's done all right).

I like Pearl also, but I think you're absolutely deluded if you think Few wouldn't be a great catch for the Cats.


i think maybe u tend to overstate things bf. 'absolutely deluded'?! the idea of replacing a guy who has a championship with one that has been to ONE FINAL FOUR??!! THAT my friend is absolutely deluded.


how many guys has few even put in the NBA?! i know tubby's numbers aren't THAT great in that department but i bet they dwarf mark few...:)

[Xi Bowhunter]

They had Tubby hiding out in a bunker! That is funny:D

[Art]

I FOUND TUBBY! He was just eating lunch!!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/coolslice/tubby.jpg

[Xi Bowhunter]

Somebody has got to show me how to use photoshop.

[JP]

Somebody has got to show me how to use photoshop.


me too....of course, we'd be evil with it :D

[buckfever]

i think maybe u tend to overstate things bf. 'absolutely deluded'?! the idea of replacing a guy who has a championship with one that has been to ONE FINAL FOUR??!! THAT my friend is absolutely deluded.
how many guys has few even put in the NBA?! i know tubby's numbers aren't THAT great in that department but i bet they dwarf mark few...:)

Huh? So now the only guys that should replace Tubby are ones that have won a Nat'l Championship? That narrows down the field quite a bit. Hmmm. . . .let's see, that leaves Coach K, Donovan, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino, Jim Calhoun and what, about 4 others??? I wonder if Pearl qualifies under your standards? His championship was Div II.

I dunno about the NBA players, but I'd bet that it would be close since 2000 (I think when Few took over). Morrison, Dickau, Turiaf, and a couple of other Zags are still playing. Not sure about UK - Prince, Rondo, Hayes? I'm sure the Cats have a couple of others in there.

[Xi Bowhunter]

me too....of course, we'd be evil with it :D
It wouldn't be any fun if we wern't evil with it.:)

[ryan hickey]

Huh? So now the only guys that should replace Tubby are ones that have won a Nat'l Championship? That narrows down the field quite a bit. Hmmm. . . .let's see, that leaves Coach K, Donovan, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino, Jim Calhoun and what, about 4 others??? I wonder if Pearl qualifies under your standards? His championship was Div II.

I dunno about the NBA players, but I'd bet that it would be close since 2000 (I think when Few took over). Morrison, Dickau, Turiaf, and a couple of other Zags are still playing. Not sure about UK - Prince, Rondo, Hayes? I'm sure the Cats have a couple of others in there.


nope, that ain't what i said. all i'm saying is, if we're gettin rid of tubby, its gotta be somebody besides mark few (for alot of reasons, not just the obvious - "who is mark few?":confused: ). and yeah, tubby has more players in the nba than mark few. probably twice as many.

[buckfever]

nope, that ain't what i said. all i'm saying is, if we're gettin rid of tubby, its gotta be somebody besides mark few (for alot of reasons, not just the obvious - "who is mark few?":confused: ). and yeah, tubby has more players in the nba than mark few. probably twice as many.

Ok then. Tubby has produced twice as many NBA players as Few. Since Few took over at Gonzaga, he's had been pretty much the same level of success as Tubby has with much less talent.

Now where were you going with this again?

[Art]

I think you guys are forgetting that the program itself attracts certain types of players, not just the coach.. I mean if Few came here then there's no way to guarantee that his success would be the same.

[ryan hickey]

Ok then. Tubby has produced twice as many NBA players as Few. Since Few took over at Gonzaga, he's had been pretty much the same level of success as Tubby has with much less talent.

Now where were you going with this again?



refer back to previous post

"if we're gettin rid of tubby, its gotta be somebody besides mark few." just don't see any reason to take one step forward and 2 steps back. exactly where are u headed here BF?

[Art]

If tubby leaves, it's not going to be so much about who we want as it will be who is willing to come here.

[naturalelite]

If tubby leaves, it's not going to be so much about who we want as it will be who is willing to come here.
YEP................

[superrman77]

Tubby will have plenty of offers from other programs. I would almost bet on it.

[slickhead slayer]

This isn't completely accurate... http://interact.cstv.com/recruiting/basketball.cfm of course it depends on where you look. Not saying our recruiting classes have been excellent, but they've been good...its the development of those recruits that I worry about more than actual recruiting....and of course selection....Does this team have a power forward?? and have they had one since Chuck Hayes (who by the way was forced to play center)?

I have never heard of Bill Hodge, the rankings I posted were from one of the two major ranking services, either scout or rivals. And I didn't read all of your guys rankings, but I read the first two, and he was within 2 in the 06 class and within 1 in the 05 class.
You say our recruiting has been "good", you really think 3 out of our last 5 classes being unranked is "good"?
I would say its unacceptable to EVER have an unranked recruiting class at UK, much less 3 in 5 years.

[KYBOY]

If tubby leaves, it's not going to be so much about who we want as it will be who is willing to come here.
Another yep... Most coaches wont put up with what Ky fans put them thru...Money aint everything.

[naturalelite]

Another yep... Most coaches wont put up with what Ky fans put them thru...Money aint everything.
They have the option of winning??????????????But I do agree with ya this place isn't for the faint of heart..

[KYBOY]

No doubt... I can only imagine how many sleepless nights ol tubby has had. Plenty Id say. Its common knowledge how demanding Ky fans are. Its almost always mentioned during televised games.

[KYhunter79]

Well the name isn't everything when it comes to coaches. Just because everyone doesn't know his name doesn't mean he isn't qualified to coach a high profile team. And if they dont know him, its because of their ignorance. He has done just as much as most programs with a fraction of talent since he has been at Gonzaga.

[MsgMills]

God only knows what my eeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvviiiiiiiillllllllllllllllll mind could come with that photoshop stuff......:D:D

I say it's more now up to the boosters and former Alumni, that will decide who replaces Tubby as Coach, if and when it ever occurs....M. Barnhart won't have a thing to do with the decision....Those Boosters and Alumni want to get back to Tradition and losing at it.....

[Xi Bowhunter]

I'm sure tubby has a contract right? When is that dang thing up?

[slickhead slayer]

I'm sure tubby has a contract right? When is that dang thing up?

It goes through 2011. His buyout clause says we would pay him $1 mill a year for every year he has remaining on his contract. With 4 years remaining, we would have to pay $4 mill to buy him out.
He is elligible for a $1.5 mill bonus if he is still the coach April 30.

[Xi Bowhunter]

It goes through 2011. His buyout clause says we would pay him $1 mill a year for every year he has remaining on his contract. With 4 years remaining, we would have to pay $4 mill to buy him out.
He is elligible for a $1.5 mill bonus if he is still the coach April 30.
oh man you are kidding me! So nothing is changing for 4 more years?! We are screwed:mad:

[slickhead slayer]

UK boosters have deep pockets, I would say that if they want Tubby gone, they will find that 4 mill to buy him out. But who knows.

[naturalelite]

UK boosters have deep pockets, I would say that if they want Tubby gone, they will find that 4 mill to buy him out. But who knows.
Hell I'll throw in a 100.00 to get him out of there

[Xi Bowhunter]

Hell I'll throw in a 100.00 to get him out of there
I'm with you on that one. But I though you wern't allowed to comment about KY basketball:D:D

[MsgMills]

Heck if U of L can give Ron Cooper $1,000,000.00 as a buy out I don't see why UK can't buy out Tubby....For that matter, Universities have got to be mad for paying the coaches as much as they do these days..... No wonder it'll cost so much for kids to go to college.....

If the Boosters want Tubby out, he'll be gone...I bet if they lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament, ( Got to make it in now ), they ain't going to keep him around to collect that 1.5 million bonus...Mark my words here fella's.......

[naturalelite]

I'm with you on that one. But I though you wern't allowed to comment about KY basketball:D:D
I got a 10 minute break out of the straight jacket

[KYBOY]

Heck if U of L can give Ron Cooper $1,000,000.00 as a buy out I don't see why UK can't buy out Tubby....For that matter, Universities have got to be mad for paying the coaches as much as they do these days..... No wonder it'll cost so much for kids to go to college.....

If the Boosters want Tubby out, he'll be gone...I bet if they lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament, ( Got to make it in now ), they ain't going to keep him around to collect that 1.5 million bonus...Mark my words here fella's.......
In my opinion its gonna take a lot for Tubbys job to be safe after this season. Its gonna take some reg season wins and at least an elite 8 or his job is in jeopardy.

[JP]

I have never heard of Bill Hodge, the rankings I posted were from one of the two major ranking services, either scout or rivals. And I didn't read all of your guys rankings, but I read the first two, and he was within 2 in the 06 class and within 1 in the 05 class.
You say our recruiting has been "good", you really think 3 out of our last 5 classes being unranked is "good"?
I would say its unacceptable to EVER have an unranked recruiting class at UK, much less 3 in 5 years.

I'll agree with that. UK should have ranked classes every year because they are UK...I'm just saying recruiting hasn't been terrible...certainly not what we expect nor what we should expect from our coach. But having the number 1 (or 2) class in 04 can't be ignored either---regardless of what they've turned in to :) The rest of the years...well....you know...we are muddling through.

Oh, and Bill Hodge is a writer for CSTV (college sports TV) a division of CBS. I know different sites will rank different ways...just depends on where you look.

[DonJovi]

Looks like we will have two ranked class for the next 8 years. Our top recruit for the 08 class is now ranked 142. While most teams have the majority of the 08 class signed we only have the one player. Expect more of the same.

[kybowhunter64]

I just saw on an AOL ESPN link that Tubby has gone into hiding. Not a joke,,,


im looking at him on tv rihgt now!!!:cool:

[Xi Bowhunter]

I got a 10 minute break out of the straight jacket
Good to see you free buddy!

[2speed]

Good I Hope They Can't Find Him ................

[naturalelite]

Good I Hope They Can't Find Him ................
We couldn't be that lucky