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aceoky

01-01-2007, 04:52 PM

Why the Conspiracy is Unknown
The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the individuals and organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind boggling, even for the most astute among us. Most people react with disbelief and skepticism towards the topic, unaware that they have been conditioned (brainwashed) to react with skepticism by institutional and media influences.

The NWO global conspirators manifest their agenda through the skilful manipulation of human emotions, especially fear.

In the past centuries, they have repeatedly utilized a contrivance that NWO researcher and author David Icke has characterized in his latest book, The Biggest Secret, as Problem, Reaction, and Solution.

The technique is as follows: NWO strategists create the Problem - by funding , assembling, and training an "opposition" group to stimulate turmoil in an established political power (sovereign country, region, continent, etc.) that they wish to impinge upon and thus create opposing factions in a conflict that the NWO themselves maneuvered into existence. In recent decades, so called opposition groups are usually identified in the media as 'freedom fighters' or 'liberators'.

At the same time, the leader of the established political power where the conflict is being orchestrated is demonized and, on cue, referred to as 'another Hitler' (take your pick: Saddam Hussein, Milosevic, Kadaffi, etc.). The 'freedom fighters' are not infrequently assembled from a local criminal element (i.e. KLA, drug traffickers). In the spirit of true Machiavellian deceit, the same NWO strategists are equally involved in covertly arming and advising the leader of the established power as well (the NWO always profits from any armed conflict by loaning money, arming, and supplying all parties involved in a war).

The conflict is drawn to the world stage by the controlled media outlets with a barrage of photos and video tape reports of horrific and bloody atrocities suffered by innocent civilians. The cry goes up "Something has to be done!" And that is the desired Reaction.

The NWO puppeteers then provide the Solution by sending in UN 'Peace Keepers' (Bosnia) or a UN 'Coalition Force' (Gulf War) or NATO Bombers and then ground troops (Kosovo), or the military to 'search for Weapons of Mass Destruction', which of course are never found. Once installed, the 'peace keepers' never leave. The idea is to have NWO controlled ground troops in all major countries or strategic areas where significant resistance to the New World Order takeover is likely to be encountered.

(Sound familiar?)

BiggerBuck

01-01-2007, 05:05 PM

I am just glad to hear that other people see this. I used to think that I was a paranoid nut case. The whole web of events is so overwhelming that you do not know what to believe. What do we do? How do we protect ourselves?
It seems that all we do is fight one another. Liberals vs conservatives, Gays vs Family values .... it seems whatever it takes to devide us the upper establishment supports. Are we really in a dellusional world? Why are our congressmen building homes with 30 ft walls with guards and water sources? Do they know somthing we dont? Is there going to be mass lawless chaos in this country? The only thing that I can think of is to discuss it and come together as much as possible and not allow ourselves to be devided.

aceoky

01-01-2007, 05:22 PM

Are we really in a dellusional world

Not really, most people don't want to "think about" such things, so they avoid doing so (doesn't change anything) Plus since it's been discussed and debated on for centuries, many think IF it were real it would have already happened (it has on smaller scales many times, they"test" things before going on a larger scale to "fix" it as they do so)

No matter what we "wish to believe", when the first President Bush stated on National (worldwide btw) T.V. that Iraq was " a hindrance to the New World Order; and would NOT be allowed to continue to do so"(that's at least close) it's pretty hard to dismiss......

Some won't believe it before they see it (and then it won't matter what anyone thinks anyway), but NAFTA, the European Union WERE (among others) forumulated to "get us used to that idea", NO other real reason for doing so, wasn't everything going "just fine" as they were , WITHOUT these???
Soon the NAFTA nations will be ONE nation, with one currancy, even then, most won't see the "writing on the wall", because they choose to think there are not those VERY rich and powerful people who's sole desire is to become even more rich and Powerful, and Will do whatever they have to in order to rule the world. Sounds "nuts" doesn't it? Twenty years ago who would have believed the "Euro" would take the place of money in most of Europe?? WHY?

One does away with what is familiar in smaller steps, so as to not cause panic, till such time it's advisable to change them all......We don't have to believe it or like it even, either way, it's happening right now, slowly for now, but it won't stay slow for so long; as those who are sworn to protect us and the US Constitution avoid doing so right here, and we lose rights in unbelievable measures, and most don't see reason for serious concern.......that's the way it's planned, for most to refuse to think about it, when you refuse to THINK, you're "easy pray", .........

aceoky

01-01-2007, 06:02 PM

It stunned the militia freaks when Bush started using an ominous new catchphrase in a February 1990 speech at San Francisco:

"Time and again in this century, the political map of the world was transformed. And in each instance, a New World Order came about through the advent of a new tyrant or the outbreak of a bloody global war, or its end."
The term soon became a staple of the President's speeches.

And.......

REPORTER: You said, President Bush, that a "New World Order" would emerge once the Gulf crisis has been solved. How do you envisage this New World Order?

(After much "beating around the bush"(pun intended) he then replied......

-- "it opens up all kinds of possibilities for a New World Order."

eddiejohn4

01-01-2007, 06:28 PM

Only the unarmed can be dominated.Thus never give up our 2nd admendment!:)

aceoky

01-01-2007, 06:30 PM

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/war/bushsr.htm

On September 11, 1990 at 9:09 PM, President George Herbert Walker Bush spoke before a joint session of Congress, regarding the Persian Gulf War. Among other topics, he stated that the war presented an opportunity for a "New World Order" to emerge.

(Excerpt)

Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge: a new era -- free from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, East and West, North and South, can prosper and live in harmony. A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor.

Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we've known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak. This is the vision that I shared with President Gorbachev in Helsinki. He and other leaders from Europe, the Gulf, and around the world understand that how we manage this crisis today could shape the future for generations to come.

Multidigits

01-01-2007, 06:31 PM

Only the unarmed can be dominated.Thus never give up our 2nd admendment!:)

Brings us back to a Democrat/Republican thing, amazing how all roads end up there sooner of later.

TROPHYTAKER308

01-01-2007, 06:31 PM

Ok, since this is the community forum and fits here I will post my opinion. Yes there will be a one world order. It won't be a forceful takeover like we would all expect. This new order will come into being when we see "the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel". That abomination is better translated from the Greek to "The Desolator" or "Destroyer" and it really means the anti-christ. He will come here just like we expect to see Jesus returning. He will claim to be Jesus come to rapture us all out of here, but first we will need to get all our family and friends to "get saved" so they can go with us. That is his scheme and his explanation as to why we don't go right then. Sadly, the churches will believe him. That's the way most have been taught. People will be hustling to bring others into the flock and anyone that refuses will be brought to stand trial before this anti-christ and his courts. Thats what the Bible means when it says daughter will betray mother or brother or whatever to death. They will bring their kin before this anti-christ and tell him that the offendor is really a nice person, just misguided, and to please forgive him/her. Death is just another word for this anti-christ. He is satan playing another role and most will be fooled by him.
But there is always a "remnant" who know the truth and will never bow a knee to the imposter. We wait patiently for the coming of our True Lord.
Just to make this short, the new world order will be satan claiming to be Christ and the whole world will believe him. Then comes our Savior and men will be praying for rocks to fall on them so they won't have to face this true Jesus that they betrayed by falling into bed with the imposter.
LOL I feel my preacher side coming out so i better stop here. God Bless+1....thats some hard stuff to swallow,but its true in my opinion.

aceoky

01-01-2007, 08:33 PM

A "few excerpts" of what the UN has done and is doing.......(sorry it's so long even like this...just the gcim is 90 Pages)

"DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war... to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained... and for these ends to practice tolerance and... to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all.... Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco... do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations."[4]

It took the Second World War to make the new system acceptable to the people. In the wake of that useful crisis, the masses willingly embraced the UN promise of "economic and social advancement of all" under the guiding hand of the new "international machinery."

"15. If states are to address the issue of international migration in a coherent manner, they must have... criteria for the entry and residents of non-citizens that are consistent with international law. ... [T]hey should at minimum address the following issues:

• family reunion, asylum, refugee protection and resettlement;

• the prevention of irregular migration and the promotion of regular migration [The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA) would add an extra 84 million legal immigrants to the nation's population];[8]

• integration, including the rights and obligations of migrants, citizens and the state...

• the protection of migrant rights.[12]

"17. All states should adopt a coherent approach to international migration that is consistent with international law and other relevant norms.... [

"21. ...This in turn requires effective data collection, policy analysis, research, monitoring and evaluation....

"23. ...• develop an infrastructure that provides social, educational and legal assistance to migrants, and that helps the host society adapt to the presence of migrants;
• ensure that resident foreign nationals are effectively represented by migrant associations... [A partnership between U.S. and Mexico provides such legal protection of "human rights" for illegal immigrants in the U.S. Small wonder it's hard for U.S. courts to deal with foreign criminals] [12]
• build up a capacity for data collection and analysis, research, monitoring and evaluation."[1]

In the decades that followed, most people seemed to dismiss UN treaties and declarations as "soft laws" and policies with little affect on national sovereignty.

They didn't know the many ways UN declarations would permeate national laws and policies. [See Trading U.S. Rights for UN Rules] The mainstream media didn't tell us.

So when the "The Global Commission on International Migration was launched by the United Nations Secretary-General and a number of governments on December 9, 2003," few saw the red lights.[5]

But America is awakening. An immigrant-friendly nation, it has welcomed grateful immigrants from around the world into its system. Now, it faces a new kind of migration -- one that intentionally clashes with everything we have valued and shared. Thomas Sowell summarizes some of its more obvious problems:

"Under affirmative action, combined with amnesty, would have preferences in jobs and other benefits. Those who set up their own businesses would be entitled to preferences in getting government contracts. Their children would be able to get into college ahead of the children of American citizens with better academic qualifications. ... f an illegal alien gets stopped for going through a red light... in many communities the cop is forbidden to arrest him....

Under a provision recently passed by the Senate, illegal aliens who forged Social Security cards not only get a pass, [I]they get to collect Social Security benefits. ... We have seen what havoc such notions and practices have created after mass immigration under 'guest worker' programs in Europe...."[6]

This legalized lawlessness fuels the "crisis" needed to persuade the masses to accept mass surveillance, universal data collection, and other intrusive strategies for worldwide control. And it gets worse:

"Based on a one-year in-depth study, a researcher estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each."[7]

"The immigration reform bill now under congressional consideration would grant amnesty to some 10 million illegal immigrants.... CIRA would transform the United States socially, economically and politically. Within two decades, the character of the nation would differ dramatically from what exists today."[8]

"When Sept. 11 hijackers Hani Hanjour and Khalid Almihdhar needed help getting fraudulent government-issued photo IDs before embarking on their suicide mission, they hopped into a van and headed to the parking lot of a 7-Eleven store in Falls Church, Va. That's where scores of illegal alien day laborers ply bogus identity documents to other illegal aliens from around the world.... Nearly five years later, illegal alien day laborers like the ones who unwittingly assisted the 9/11 hijackers have virtually no fear of being arrested."[9]

A web of secrecy and a flood of misleading propaganda hides the truth from the people who pay the costs.
For example, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America undermines both security and prosperity for ordinary people. Wondering why their elected leaders ignore their pleas, many face rising lawlessness, unthinkable litter, lost jobs, and continual fear of violence.[10]

The reasons are actually simple.

International regulations have already bound nations around the world to regional as well as global laws and policies. To understand their aims, let's look at the United Nation's Report of the Global Commission on International Migration [GCIM]. Chapter 6 warns us that "international migration is a complex phenomenon," and most nations (states) recognize the importance of international migration and seek to address it in a way that enables them to respect their international obligations."[1] What does that mean? Might the word "respect" actually imply "obedience" to international guidelines?

An illusion of national sovereignty

The subtle language in many UN documents hides the assault on national sovereignty. While sounding affirmative, it undermines any "sovereign" action that might oppose UN policies. The UN Declaration on Human Rights illustrates this manipulative language well. Its Article 18 upholds "the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion..." Article 19 affirms "the right to freedom of opinion and expression...."

But Article 29 states that "these rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." In other words, its promise of "human rights" does not apply to those who would criticize the UN or its policies. Nor does it apply to Christians who cling to God's "offensive" truths -- or refuse to follow UNESCO's Declaration on the Role of Religion.[11]

All nations must "establish coherent national migration policies... consistent with international treaty law." The following points show some of the ways nations must cooperate with regional and global policies

Regional integration

Regional integration, such as the European Union (EU), was planned long ago as a stepping stone [I]toward global governance. Since the regulations for regionalism are established at the UN level, this initial merger of nations -- such as Canada, United States and Mexico -- redefines sovereignty and submits everyone to international controls. Ashley Mote, an independent member of the European Parliament, explains how this revolutionary system would swallow up any representative form of governments:

"Even the EU's public face - the unelected commission - is part of the charade. Power does not lie with them. It lies with the senior staff running their departments, entrenched by some 3000 working groups and committees on which no elected MEP sits.... We do not know what their budgets are, how they are financed, or who approves their costs. Indeed, we do not even know what powers they have been given, nor by whom. And we cannot get rid of them....

"The EU would no longer be the servant of the member states. It would have become their master.
Every previous treaty was a small step along that road.... The other 24 commissioners, each appointed by the other member states... are figure-heads. They take the flak in the public arena, and make announcements decided for them by their senior staff, with the guidance of the secret committees.

35. Efforts have also been made to establish various types of economic integration and related freedom of movement agreements in other regions of the world, including the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)....

Too many links to list them all, here are a couple for those so inclined to check......

http://www.gcim.org/en/

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

http://www.gcim.org/attachements/GCIM%20Report%20Chapter%20Six.pdf

aceoky

01-01-2007, 08:42 PM

"Why won’t this president and Congress write and enforce a simple, straight-forward immigration policy?" asks journalist Frosty Wooldridge.

Others wonder why our government doesn't pull out of the United Nations and abandon its planned merger with Mexico and Canada. And their questions make sense!

But logical answers often ignore the grandiose dreams of the elite revolutionaries who drive the UN agenda.

To them, it makes more sense to open our borders, invite illegal immigration, and risk rising lawlessness and terrorism. In fact, each such crisis becomes a potential instrument for change -- a stepping stone toward Lord Tennyson's envisioned "Federation of the world."

"All we need is the right major crisis," said David Rockefeller -- one of the most powerful change agents behind the scenes, "and the nations will accept the New World Order."

Former President Bush echoed that assurance. "Out of these troubled times... a new world order can emerge," he told Congress in a 1990 message aptly titled "Toward a New World Order." Back then, the opportune crisis was the Gulf War. It helped build public acceptance for the global management system, which had already begun to replace American "rights" with global rules.

maxcam

01-02-2007, 01:36 AM

And I thought the NWO was run out of business by Vince McMahon! :rolleyes:

As for the thoughts of Satan coming in and saving me....He's to late! That job has already been taken care of and for any church to tell me my ticket hasnt been punched, would send up huge red flags with out question!

Jesus Christ garantees eternal life if you believe in him as your savior and know that through him is the only way to sit next to the throne of God in the kingdom of Heaven for eternity!

Only those ignorant to the word of God could be fooled by an imposter such as that in my opinion!

aceoky

01-02-2007, 11:03 AM

Only those ignorant to the word of God could be fooled by an imposter such as that in my opinion!

Well..............

"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." [John 5:43]

"The coming of the lawless one, the antichrist is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of pretended miracles and signs and delusive marvels--all of them lying wonders-- And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved. Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false, In order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in, who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on, the Truth, but instead took pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12;

""... and the whole earth went after the beast in amazement and admiration. They fell down and paid homage to the dragon, because he had bestowed on the beast all his dominion and authority; they also praised and worshiped the beast, exclaiming, Who is a match for the beast, and, Who can make war against him?" (Rev 13:3b-4)

yote hunter

01-02-2007, 03:16 PM

yote hunter

01-02-2007, 03:47 PM

type in john conner on youtube.com.what an idiot.

aceoky

01-02-2007, 05:08 PM

It's important also to note when the UN says "state" they're actually speaking of and meaning a Nation........

TheToons

01-03-2007, 04:12 AM

fascinating food for thought...just wanted to say thanks for some enlightenment...now if you'll excuse me, i have alot of reading to do:)

buckfever

01-03-2007, 10:56 AM

I used to think that I was a paranoid nut case. The whole web of events is so overwhelming that you do not know what to believe. What do we do? How do we protect ourselves?

My Dad always told me as a lad to trust my first gut instinct.

Why the Conspiracy is Unknown

The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the individuals and organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind boggling, even for the most astute among us. Most people react with disbelief and skepticism towards the topic, unaware that they have been conditioned (brainwashed) to react with skepticism by institutional and media influences. Author and de-programmer Fritz Springmeier (The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines) says that most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to certain sensitive topics. "Slides", Springmeier reports, is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand.

Holy Smokes. I'm obviously one of the sheep. Who would've thought that the CIA was around to brainwash folks in the 15th Century?
Who is the NWO?

The corporate portion of the NWO is dominated by international bankers, oil barons and pharmaceutical cartels, as well as other major multinational corporations. The Royal Family of England, namely Queen Elizabeth II and the House of Windsor, (who are, in fact, descendants of the German arm of European Royalty - the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family - changed the name to Windsor in 1914), are high level players in the oligarchy which controls the upper strata of the NWO.

I'm disappointed I wasn't asked to join. Hmmmm. . . . and Queen Elizabeth is in on it. Maybe Princess Di was going to blow the lid off the whole sordid ordeal, and the international bankers knew they had to concoct a plan to kill her and make it look like the paparazzi were to blame. The conspiracy possibilities are endless.

The leaders of all major industrial countries like the United States, England, Germany, Italy, Australia, New Zealand, etc. (members of the "G7/G8" ) are active and fully cooperative participants in this conspiracy.

Yes, it is VERY plausible that George W and Tony Blair are conspiring to take over the world, along with these other democratic societies. Thank God China, Japan and Russia haven't been involved in any of this. Maybe Hu Jintao (China's leader) will save the day and protect us all from our elected officials.

Why would anybody waste their time trying to justify this garbage? It's just as bad as those idiots who claimed that the U.S. Government was responsible for 9/11.

aceoky

01-03-2007, 11:37 AM

Also keep in mind that Russia AND China have "veto" power in the UN.....AND are not only active in this whole thing, but also are supporing the Moslems in many things (some even very public as Putin's warning to the US that it stops in Iraq).......So in effect Russia is threatening US if we pursue the very people who hate us and wish us all dead(including our women and children)....Also pay close attention to China's "policy" on Iran.......we have real super-powers defending moslems.....knowing full well how they feel about all of US........but maybe it's "nothing" after all....:rolleyes:

It's "funny" that while some may try to discredit what IS going on, many don't realize that a certain recently hanged man was "tutored" by his Uncle (he was an orphan at a very young age btw)..who btw, was "in bed" with Hitler and was close friends with the SS Leadership, to the point of bringing in some 30,000 moslem fighter to the aid of the German army, think that is a "conspiracy theory".......check for yourselves.......Hitler and Iraq were in bed together (for the oil fields in Iraq fwiw).....it's history folks.......easy enough to check on

History is entirely full of real actual documented conspiracies, MOST didn't see them before they came to pass......however the results of many of them are impossible to dispute (Hitler, Russia becoming communist, etc.etc.etc.) how many millions died from those "conspiracies"?? I'd bet most would have liked to have been warned, AND payed closer attention to the events directly around them........before it was "too late"?? (especially IF you were a Jew in Hitler's world).......think about that.....

Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, when anyone trys to state there is NO conspiracies "out there" they've obviously NOT learned the first thing about history!

Germany's system was very much like our own, yet ONE man managed to undermine all of that and take Total control.......that is NOT the "rantings" of someone "paranoid" that is a historic fact, very well known and IF it happened there it CAN indeed also happen here! While we (some of us at least) "wonder" IF any of this is true, those who wish to see ALL of our freedoms dissapear and make slaves of us, continue to work, whether anyone thinks it's true doesn't concern them in the least in fact it enpowers them further!

It's also important to know who stated it would come to this God himself....

BiggerBuck

01-03-2007, 11:55 AM

buckfever

01-03-2007, 11:55 AM

buckfever

01-03-2007, 12:02 PM

The thing is that not just one man took over Germany. I believe Hilter was hand picked. He was a Rothschild and a member of the Thule society in which he adopted their ideas and philosophy which drove him to do drive a free country into a fascist regime.
It said that after he spent time with this society he changed dramaticaly.

Yep, sure. I'm sure if you went back far enough, you'd find I'm also distantly related to the Rothschilds, the Kennedys, the Rockefellers, Saddam Hussein, George W. Bush and Attila the Hun. So far as you guys know, I'm one of those special folks that are running the world. Kind of like that Matrix movie.

All that stuff we read about Hitler rising to power as a result of the poor German economy due in large measure to the punitive effects of the Treaty of Versailles are all false. It makes infinitely more sense to believe that the NWO order leaders (including Woodrow Wilson) actually planned for Germany's economy to fall into shambles so that they could then "hand pick" some distant, bizarre relative to the Rothschilds to pick up the pieces and rise to power.

Is Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in on all this NWO stuff? I know the republicans surely use some help in the next presidential elections.;)

aceoky

01-03-2007, 12:21 PM

"But none of the wicked shall understand [that the End of the Age is upon them]." [Daniel 12:10b]

buckfever

01-03-2007, 12:32 PM

"But none of the wicked shall understand [that the End of the Age is upon them]." [Daniel 12:10b]

It's a good thing that some really smart people have figured all this out and are willing to inform us "wicked" folks where things REALLY stand. . . .

You guys are scaring me.:D

aceoky

01-03-2007, 12:38 PM

The thing is that not just one man took over Germany. I believe Hilter was hand picked. He was a Rothschild and a member of the Thule society in which he adopted their ideas and philosophy which drove him to do drive a free country into a fascist regime.
It said that after he spent time with this society he changed dramaticaly.

The Thule Group's leader was Dietrich Eckart. He told his adherents in the late 1910's that "he had personally received a kind of satanic annunciation that he was destined to prepare the vessel of the Anti-Christ, the man inspired by Lucifer to conquer the world and lead the Aryan race to glory."<40> Eckart perceived his role to be that of a forerunner, a John the Baptist to the Great One. Eckart trained Hitler well.

As Eckart lay dying, he boasted, "Follow Hitler! He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the 'Secret Doctrine', opened his centres in vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers ...

They beleived Hitler to BE the antichrist, and spared nothing to try to make it so.....(and some would say he came close) however the timing was "off" in God's plan, and he didn't acheive the desired results, some think that he did however make the way easier for the next time

ceg4uk

01-03-2007, 01:12 PM

It's a good thing that some really smart people have figured all this out and are willing to inform us "wicked" folks where things REALLY stand. . . .

You guys are scaring me.:D

It's really nice to let everyone worry about this for me. If only someone could worry up a nice 12 pointer. Or maybe conspire to get one.

aceoky

01-03-2007, 01:33 PM

FEMA:

In America, the Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA) was created in 1979 under Presidential Memorandum 32 authored for President Carter by Prof. Samuel P. Huntington, a Harvard professor and former FEMA Advisory Board chairman. Huntington wrote the Seminal Peace for the Trilateral Commission in the mid 70's, in which he criticized democracy and economic development as outdated ideas. As co-author of the book, Crisis in Democracy, Huntington wrote:

"We have come to recognize that there are potential desirable limits to economic growth. There are also potentially desirable limits to the indefinite extension of political democracy. A government which lacks authority will have little ability short of cataclysmic crisis to impose on its people the sacrifices which may be necessary."

Huntington's ideas were rewritten into National Security Decision Directive #47 (NSDD47), which was enacted in July 1982 by President Reagan.

Treated as a passing footnote by the media, this law identified legitimate areas to be upgraded to maintain national defense, but it also laid the groundwork for Emergency Mobilization Preparedness, a plan under which existing socio/economic regulations or other legal constraints would be waived in the event of a national emergency. This plan was further strengthened in Public Law 101-647, signed by President Bush in November 1990.

What it boils down to is this: in the event that the President declares a national emergency, for any reason (from major earthquakes to increased international tensions or economic /financial crisis of any stripe), FEMA can then, at their discretion, implement Executive Orders 10995 through 11005. These Executive Orders permit a takeover by FEMA of local, state, and national governments and the suspension of constitutional guarantees. FEMA will have the authority to exert any sort of control that it deems necessary upon the American public. A trained National Police Force, formally referred to by the name of Multi Jurisdictional Task Force (MJTF), wearing black uniforms and composed of:

1. specially selected US military personnel
2. foreign military units carrying United Nations ID cards, and
3. specially trained existing police groups from larger metropolitan American cities.

These members of the MJTF will implement and enforce martial law under the direction and controlof FEMA. The President and Congress are out of the loop.

FEMA is the Trojan Horse by which the New World Order will implement overt, police-state control over the American populace
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___

Probably nothing "to it" though.... :rolleyes:

Everyone can read the UN resoloutions WE have signed "on to".....support....it's not complicated to see what IS taking place (boring to read in part, perhaps, but not complicated)

I'd bet none of us Want to believe it,just as countless people before us didn't want to see the 'writing on the wall' in front of them, have WE learned from their grave mistakes, or will history once again repeat itself, while most are "surprised and alarmed" at what did actually happen??

There are without question "tons" of evidence which shows what IS being done each and every day, just notice the number of laws and UN resoloutions that are and Will decay our rights......(when acted upon ....or put into use iow)......WHY make these laws IF they're not to be used at some future date???? Does anyone actually think, that just perhaps they're making useless laws with NO intention of putting them into place in our future??? We are all wiser than to believe they'd waste their time enacting these freedome Stealing laws upon us (for our own good though):rolleyes: unless they fully intend to enact them.....NO other reason to push them through.........

(anytime you see Trilateral Commision, or Council on Foreign Relations) pay attention to what they're doing btw) it's NOT for "our own good".....it IS for their own purpose to gain ground in "Their new world order" their "Garden of Eden" created by them, and for them, where the 1/3 they "allow" to survive(the other 2/3 are to be killed by war, disease, famines, radiation etc.) will SERVE them........

aceoky

01-03-2007, 01:40 PM

It's a good thing that some really smart people have figured all this out and are willing to inform us "wicked" folks where things REALLY stand

NO "really smart people" figured out anything, it is right there in the Holy Bible.........which also says the "wicked" folks won't see it or be able to understand it and WILL "mock" the Truth.....even when it's shown to them.......

*I* (nor any of us here) "said" it, we repeat what GOD himself has stated to come to be........THAT is the "long and short" of it.......

It doesn't matter what I think, or anyone else "thinks" either what IS "is" and what "will be" will be.....some however may just perhaps like to know just how close it is??? Just a thought........

The TRUTH of the Bible will stand long after we are all long gone, that you can be certain of......

gwhilikerz

01-03-2007, 01:54 PM

Yes. It's true. :rolleyes:

Even though Saddam wasn't born until 1937, didn't take power in Iraq until 1979, Iraq was occupied by Britain in WWII, and Israel wasn't even created until AFTER WWII, it's pretty well accepted by the world's historians that Hitler and Iraq were in a deep conspiracy to eliminate those darned jews.

But wait a second, aren't many of those "international bankers" that lead the NWO actually Jews. That must mean that the Jews in power are plotting with Russia, the neo-Nazi fascists and the Muslim people to kill off their own people. The conspiracies never end!!!!;)

LOL Bucky this is getting pretty bizzare. Maybe i can cloudy the water even more by reading what Jesus said in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 about those who claim to be Jews but are really of the synagogue of satan, not jews at all.
This is getting to be more fun all the time:)

aceoky

01-03-2007, 02:01 PM

LOL Bucky this is getting pretty bizzare. Maybe i can cloudy the water even more by reading what Jesus said in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 about those who claim to be Jews but are really of the synagogue of satan, not jews at all.
This is getting to be more fun all the time:)

Thank you very much!

BTW it was HIS UNCLE (not Saddam) who was "in bed with Hitler's SS; and it's historical fact......anyone can easily check )....he really was Saddam's "idol" because he viewed him as a "freedom fighter" for the whole of Islam........He said his uncle was his greatest teacher, and was responsible (at least in part) for Saddam's rise to power because of those teachings from a very early age....(again Saddam was an orphan very young at age 3 IIRC)

BTW the whole point of Saddam's uncle's siding with Hitler's Germany (and the then ruler of Iraq doing the same) WAS because it was occupied by and ruled by Great Britain....fwiw

Saddam was shot in the leg in a failed "coo" attempt (by one of the would be assasains btw iow one on "his side") :D Saddam was sentenced to death and fled for his life(to Egypt btw)...... it was a few years before he could safely return home to reside, in that period he met several who would help in , including the then leader of the Baath party fwiw

quackrstackr

01-03-2007, 02:10 PM

FEMA is the Trojan Horse by which the New World Order will implement overt, police-state control over the American populace

Judging by the bang up job they did taking control of the whole Katrina situation.........

it's going to be a while.

:D

aceoky

01-03-2007, 02:14 PM

Judging by the bang up job they did taking control of the whole Katrina situation.........

it's going to be a while.

:D

I considered that, but then again they were not properly trained to handle that, OR it could be a "ruse' to confuse us???? Also note the "whole force" hasn't been enacted yet(listed on that quote) (the other military personell etc.) that's planned to join them.....I'll agree at this time it seems "far fetched", but being that is the plan, I'm betting they're "working on it" (could just as easily been an "excersise" to see what areas needed work, by sending them into that very situation?) Whatcha think? :D

quackrstackr

01-03-2007, 02:19 PM

I think if the NWO can cause a category 5 hurricane and steer it directly into NO as a practice exercise, they would have already taken over the world. ;)

maxcam

01-03-2007, 02:23 PM

Ace do you think that everyone will be subject to the trials and tribulations of God's will?

aceoky

01-03-2007, 02:36 PM

Quackr, I'll just say that's funny! :)

Maxcam, I'm not sure I understand your question???

Let's examine it from a "worldy" point of view, for a second shall we??

We know that Russia and China both have UN veto power, and we also know they openly and publicly support Islam.....hmmm

We also know that Islam as a whole hates us, (and Hate the Jews maybe even more).......and want us all totally destroyed.........

WE (THE U.S.) are signing on to UN resoloutions(which I've taken the time to post a few of them for all) that "open up our borders to MORE immigrants" (many of whom will no doubt be of Islam and their supporters)......IS it so hard to see where this will in fact lead us???

buckfever

01-03-2007, 02:41 PM

NO "really smart people" figured out anything, it is right there in the Holy Bible.........which also says the "wicked" folks won't see it or be able to understand it and WILL "mock" the Truth.....even when it's shown to them.......hmmm

*I* (nor any of us here) "said" it, we repeat what GOD himself has stated to come to be........THAT is the "long and short" of it.......

It doesn't matter what I think, or anyone else "thinks" either what IS "is" and what "will be" will be.....some however may just perhaps like to know just how close it is??? Just a thought........

The TRUTH of the Bible will stand long after we are all long gone, that you can be certain of......

Hold off on your Bible thumping, Ace. You too, Gwhilli.

First, you both somehow have been attending some specialized Bible classes, b/c you both assume that you are correctly interpreting the Bible. History is full of people that claimed the Bible stood for some bizarre proposition that just happened to suit their needs. I think I'll just stick with what the Pope tells me with respect to the Bible. And I've heard nothing yet from the Vatican about FEMA, George W. Bush, my local investment banker, Queen Elizabeth or anybody else being implicated in some conspiracy to establish some NWO in order to pave the way for the anti-christ. But you guys go ahead and preach all you like.

Second, Ace, I find it offensive that you'd have the audacity to suppose that you have some latent knowledge of the Bible that you're "showing" to anyone. Furthermore, I find it offensive that you would suggest that other people are "wicked" because they don't subscribe to this nutjob view of history or your NWO. This thread has gone from some secret society setting up a scheme to dominate the world, ala The DaVinci Code, to a bunch of Anti-Christ Jews plotting in the synagogues, to the "wicked" (alluding to me in particular) being eternally damned because they "mocked" the truth which you have so benevolently shared with the rest of us.

Any doubts I had held in the past have been completely dispelled.

maxcam

01-03-2007, 02:50 PM

Just wanted your thoughts on who you thought would be subject to the trials and tribulations that are spoken of in the book of Revelations....

buckfever

01-03-2007, 02:54 PM

We also know that Islam as a whole hates us, (and Hate the Jews maybe even more).......and want us all totally destroyed.........

WE (THE U.S.) are signing on to UN resoloutions(which I've taken the time to post a few of them for all) that "open up our borders to MORE immigrants" (many of whom will no doubt be of Islam and their supporters)......IS it so hard to see where this will in fact lead us???

Yes, it's a very little known fact that most of those illegal alien Mexicans who claim to be Catholic are actually secretly Muslims (and part of the anti-christ NWO) and plan on infiltrating America (which apparently is the last bastion for Christianity) to destroy Old Glory from within.

For some reason, whenever I read through this thread, I keep thinking of these passages out of the movie Ghostbusters:

[Egon is running tests on Louis, who has been possessed by Gozer and is now the Keymaster]
Dr. Egon Spengler (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000601/): Vinz, you said before you were waiting for a sign. What sign are you waiting for?
Louis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

Winston Zeddemore (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001368/): Hey, wait a minute. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hold it. Now, are we actually gonna go before a federal judge, and tell him that some moldy Babylonian God is going to drop in on Central Park West, and start tearing up the city?
Dr. Egon Spengler (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000601/): Sumerian, not Babylonian.
Dr. Peter Venkman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/): Yeah. Big difference.
Winston Zeddemore (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001368/): No offense, guys, but I've gotta get my own lawyer.

aceoky

01-03-2007, 02:56 PM

Just wanted your thoughts on who you thought would be subject to the trials and tribulations that are spoken of in the book of Revelations....

Everyone who is alive at that time......which the Bible in my humble opinion states.

There is a point for making even his own go through this as it states "so as to separate the wheat from the chaff"(TRUE believers from those who pretend when it's convieniant for them, but when it's not will show their true hearts, as it were)... It's not hard to see where people's TRUE faith and hope resides when things get REALLY bad....:eek:

"They loved not their lives even unto death".......

Fortunate for some (while sad for others) WE are all Free to decide what we'll believe, which for some will be great, for others it won't be "so great at all"

deadaim

01-03-2007, 03:11 PM

Have WAY to much time on your hands.......

aceoky

01-03-2007, 03:14 PM

"Perhaps the most dangerous notion of all is the belief that given the proper amount of power and the ability to manipulate and manage, well-intentioned men can create heaven on earth."

Barry Goldwater, With No Apologies

(Goldwater, Barry. With No Apologies, William Morrow Publishing, 1979, p.280.)

As for the "too much time on our hands" remark, maybe..... maybe not....we all only have so much time.....it's how we spend it that matters in the end..

Some will choose to live based on lies and pretentions that "all is well" around them, as if their heads are buried in the sand, others (knowing it's not going to be "popular" ) will attempt to pass on the real truths and realities, also knowing many will mock and even much worse in many cases......yet we all have the choice to make, and the stakes are VERY high indeed!

gwhilikerz

01-03-2007, 03:33 PM

Hold off on your Bible thumping, Ace. You too, Gwhilli.

First, you both somehow have been attending some specialized Bible classes, b/c you both assume that you are correctly interpreting the Bible. History is full of people that claimed the Bible stood for some bizarre proposition that just happened to suit their needs. I think I'll just stick with what the Pope tells me with respect to the Bible. And I've heard nothing yet from the Vatican about FEMA, George W. Bush, my local investment banker, Queen Elizabeth or anybody else being implicated in some conspiracy to establish some NWO in order to pave the way for the anti-christ. But you guys go ahead and preach all you like.

Second, Ace, I find it offensive that you'd have the audacity to suppose that you have some latent knowledge of the Bible that you're "showing" to anyone. Furthermore, I find it offensive that you would suggest that other people are "wicked" because they don't subscribe to this nutjob view of history or your NWO. This thread has gone from some secret society setting up a scheme to dominate the world, ala The DaVinci Code, to a bunch of Anti-Christ Jews plotting in the synagogues, to the "wicked" (alluding to me in particular) being eternally damned because they "mocked" the truth which you have so benevolently shared with the rest of us.

Any doubts I had held in the past have been completely dispelled.

First off, you haven't heard anything from me about NWO, the Vatican, or any of the others supposed to be in a conspiracy. Yes i have had "special" Bible classes. I read my Bible daily and have read it thru more than 30 times. I also took the time to try to go back to the original languages to determine meanings of certain words used in the Bible. I'm far from an expert but neither do i allow any man, pope or not, tell me what the Bible says when i can read it for myself. Lets not get into a protestant catholic war here. That wasn't my intent at all.
Maxcam If you want to continue a discussion about "trials and tribs" I am more than willing to have a go at it. But be warned, you ain't gonna like what i say.

buckfever

01-03-2007, 03:36 PM

Dr Ray Stantz (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000101/): Symmetrical book stacking. Just like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947.
Dr. Peter Venkman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/): You're right, no human being would stack books like this.

Dana Barrett (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000244/): [reading from the printout] "Zuul was the minion of Gozer." What's Gozer?
Dr. Peter Venkman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/): Gozer was very big in Sumeria.
Dana Barrett (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000244/): Well, what's he doing in my ice box?
Dr. Peter Venkman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/): I'm working on that.

Dr. Peter Venkman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/): Alice, I'm going to ask you a couple of standard questions, okay? Have you or any of your family been diagnosed schizophrenic? Mentally incompetant?
Librarian Alice (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0238541/): My uncle thought he was Saint Jerome.
Dr. Peter Venkman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/): I'd call that a big yes. Uh, are you habitually using drugs? Stimulants? Alcohol?
Librarian Alice (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0238541/): No.
Dr. Peter Venkman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/): No, no. Just asking. Are you, Alice, menstruating right now?
Library Administrator (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0745232/): What's has that got to do with it?
Dr. Peter Venkman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/): Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

;):rolleyes:;):eek::D

daking

01-03-2007, 03:47 PM

AHA! A very clever tribute to Ghostbusters, Buck. Took me a while to remember what was what.

gwhilikerz

01-03-2007, 03:58 PM

buckfever

01-03-2007, 04:54 PM

Don't you have a court case or something you need to work on?:D

Good point. Yes, I actually do.

aceoky

01-03-2007, 05:00 PM

I'm far from an expert but neither do i allow any man, pope or not, tell me what the Bible says when i can read it for myself. Lets not get into a protestant catholic war here. That wasn't my intent at all.

Well spoken and I agree 100%

As for your (BF) "other twisting" of what I posted, I refuse to even comment !

Swampthing

01-03-2007, 05:02 PM

Analysts: Dollar collapse
would result in 'amero'

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53350[/URL]

'Bush doesn't think America should be an actual place'
Tancredo says president believes nation should be merely 'idea' without borders

[URL]http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53023 (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53350)

Just type in North American Union into any search engine either you will see the evil or not.

01-03-2007, 05:27 PM

Don't you have a court case or something you need to work on?:D

Good point. Yes, I actually do.

A slip and fall case?:)

aceoky

01-03-2007, 05:31 PM

I've changed my mind, but only because I feel compelled to clear a few things up....

*I* didn't call anyone "wicked" I quoted scripture and what it says.....(and also what some will do, which also the Bible says are exactly the same things the "wicked" will do when we try to speak about it, Please check for yourselves) ANYONE taking that as an attempt on my part to "single them out", either haven't seen my postings or are "grasping at straws".......most here know me better than that.....( I have never had any problem saying exactly what I mean, some however attack every single thing I say and attempt to "twist" it into what it never was) :rolleyes:

*I* did NOT (and am not) "interpreting" anything, only stating what IS said...(anyone here who can't read it for themselves??? I gave the verse did I not)

*I* have not and will not claim to be stating anything "new", it's been there for thousands of years, for all to read ...to repeat *I* am not claiming one word to be my own......and the world wide events around us tell ME (a person just like you guys and gals btw) we are getting close to them being fulfilled, IF you choose to not see it or believe as I do, I wish you well and NO hard feelings....

*I* was only responding to what this topic is REALLY about, some won't like that, or want to even think about the possibility of it really, actually happening to US.... however why shouldn't we all have a right to do so?(respond without personal attacks)

*I* didn't compile the facts about FEMA or any of it, it also exists (beyond belief) for anyone who chooses to look.....NONE of us like it I'd venture, however those who are doing it, do not care what we think, like OR is in our best interest, only what serves their own purpose, which is to rule the entire world at ANY cost .......

*I* am not also claiming to have some "superior knowledge"(or whatever) of the Holy Bible or anything else, only trying to share what I happen to believe to be 100% true.....for which I will not apologize for, anyone who sees such things and was too afraid to share them with their friends here, would be guilty of many things IMHO

Also, I posted nothing ="0" to "stir anything up" or cause an arguement or fight, I included links to prove (or perhaps disprove?) what the NWO is working towards, as well as actual Bible verses, to claim what was claimed is not only a personal attack on me, but on the Truth; I will however pray for the one who did so.

Anyone who prays for understanding, and reads the Bible AND watches the events unfold around us, I think would at least have to examine these things, to do otherwise doesn't make any sense, at least not to me......IF that makes me some "bad guy", then so be it, I've been called worse and no doubt will be again, but at least please read what the EU has become (NO one knows whom to "place blame upon" in any event) could that be a simple coincidence OR is it something larger??

To be quite honest I wish I could believe that man wasn't so corrupt to seek this kind of power and inflict this upon us.........however I do not believe that.....

It was once said, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutley)....THAT I do believe......

Folks many of the things being done make NO sense at all.........WE didn't need NAFTA (they did to take away OUR country)......think about that......did *I* make NAFTA up? OR is it Real........???:rolleyes: Guess some perhaps would paint ME as the one who designed the EU??? Not so!

Someone did though.....the question that matters is WHY.......the EU, NAFTA.....wasn't Europe and the US doing "just great" as they were????

buckfever

01-03-2007, 05:35 PM

OMG, you guys are killing me. . . .It must be true. . . some guy on the internet from the World Daily News said it was:

How severe will the coming dollar collapse be?
"People in the U.S. are going to be hit hard," Chapman warned. "In the severe recession we are entering now, Bush will argue that we have to form a North American Union to compete with the Euro."
"Creating the amero," Chapman explained, "will be presented to the American public as the administration's solution for dollar recovery. In the process of creating the amero, the Bush administration just abandons the dollar."

With this "severe recession" we're into, I oughta be liquidating my stocks and stuffing my loot into the mattresses.

And Tancredo is widely known to be trying to make a name for himself on an anti-immigration platform and is not well received by Bush or the White House staff.

I guess I just don't see the "evil" known as George Bush.

buckfever

01-03-2007, 05:46 PM

A slip and fall case?:)

No, it's a medical malpractice case. My client, a psychiatrist, is getting sued by some families after he inadvertently released some mentally ill, paranoid schizophrenic patients out of the hospital ward a few years ago and they can't seem to find them. There's no telling where they are.

aceoky

01-03-2007, 05:54 PM

Ya know I wasn't going to bother to state this in public, but alas, I guess I must....

You've been on my "ignore list" buckfever for some time now, SO whatever it is you "think" I intended for you, well it couldn't have been since I don't have to see your posts.......(well only where you've been quoted here)....(after the fact I'm certain btw).......

It's become more than obvious you're unwilling to discuss anything where I'm involved, only argue and insult me personally...no matter the topic, LKS or otherwise, thus leaving me with little other choice.....

I can asssure you that the above is not only true, but several are well aware that it is......and thus whatever You may think was posted for "you", wasn't.

corndogggy

01-03-2007, 06:01 PM

FEMA is the Trojan Horse by which the New World Order will implement overt, police-state control over the American populace

They might want to consider getting better at their jobs than they showed in New Orleans if that's going to happen. :D

Swampthing

01-03-2007, 06:06 PM

corndogggy

01-03-2007, 06:07 PM

With this "severe recession" we're into, I oughta be liquidating my stocks and stuffing my loot into the mattresses.

It's easy to joke about this subject... when you don't know what China is up to. China is currently hoarding U.S. bonds and buying more every day. They're purposely keeping the value of their currency grossly undervalued. They have developed technology to attack our financial computer networks, which is exactly what we were trying to spy on back in, what, 1998? We were trying to pick up the wireless signals from their little projects.

So what does this mean? It means that AT WILL, China could dump all of those bonds, immediately stop undervaluing their currency, and possibly even attack our financial networks. Guess what happens then? Absolute financial chaos.

aceoky

01-03-2007, 06:13 PM

They might want to consider getting better at their jobs than they showed in New Orleans if that's going to happen. :D

Good point! But again, look at the whole division (not yet created) and it's just "possible" they're "testing" things to know what they'll need to work on..... (that's just a guess but World domination is a huge goal, I'd guess many tests would be done before trying any plan?)......

IWO the groups of soldiars were "missing " from the picture, anyone think had they been there the outcome would be so "funny"?

Everytime this subject comes up, I just have to ask myself, WHY are these laws being enacted??? WE don't need them, but they seem to not only pass but by odds that are "impossible" AND we are NEVER informed by our "news media".......

As I stated, everyone can read them for themselves, and IF they don't see some "serious issues" no skin off my nose.......and believe me I won't be laughing when things take such a turn....

Look at and actually read the UN resoloutions we've signed onto........look at what FEMA is to become, look at the facts of what IS to be, then make a determination (with an open mind)......try as I might I can't "justify" any of these laws........they simply make NO sense for US.......(or the U.S.) (or the EU for that matter)........Let's open the borders and allow MORE lawlessness, so WE(meaning those responsible) can take over and "save them" seems to be the goal.......and bad as I hate to say it, I think it will work too.....

quackrstackr

01-03-2007, 06:17 PM

They might want to consider getting better at their jobs than they showed in New Orleans if that's going to happen. :D

Boo.. hisssss... boo.... hissss....

Thread sarcasm foul......

I've already claimed that one. :D

buckfever

01-03-2007, 06:31 PM

It's easy to joke about this subject... when you don't know what China is up to. China is currently hoarding U.S. bonds and buying more every day. They're purposely keeping the value of their currency grossly undervalued. They have developed technology to attack our financial computer networks, which is exactly what we were trying to spy on back in, what, 1998? We were trying to pick up the wireless signals from their little projects.

So what does this mean? It means that AT WILL, China could dump all of those bonds, immediately stop undervaluing their currency, and possibly even attack our financial networks. Guess what happens then? Absolute financial chaos.

Corndoggy - I don't know what China's up to. I realize that there are a lot of issues out there that pose problems for the U.S.

In my heart of hearts though, I believe that whatever happens with China, it won't be because a bunch of secret fraternity guys (which from all appearances are just a bunch of racists who left out virtually every non-white ethnic group on Earth including the Chinese, Japanese and all Africans) got together around the planet and decided to plan for the takeover of the world under the 10 century plan to bring back the anti-christ disguised as Mohammed Al Abdullah.

aceoky

01-03-2007, 06:39 PM

It's easy to joke about this subject... when you don't know what China is up to. China is currently hoarding U.S. bonds and buying more every day. They're purposely keeping the value of their currency grossly undervalued. They have developed technology to attack our financial computer networks, which is exactly what we were trying to spy on back in, what, 1998? We were trying to pick up the wireless signals from their little projects.

So what does this mean? It means that AT WILL, China could dump all of those bonds, immediately stop undervaluing their currency, and possibly even attack our financial networks. Guess what happens then? Absolute financial chaos.

That's very true!!

And yet it's even worse than that alone!

Iran has said it will (and I think with the backing of both Russian and China it's a real possibility), change the currency for OPEC oil to the Euro!!

Imagine what THAT would do to the US Dollar and our whole , entire economy.....nevertheless, all that being said.... let's "make fun" and "mock" reality, it's certainly much more fun than facing (and discussing) the possible realities.......

aceoky

01-03-2007, 06:41 PM

Boo.. hisssss... boo.... hissss....

Thread sarcasm foul......

I've already claimed that one. :D

Sad but true! :D

All "joking" aside, I do think this whole topic is worth serious discussion (no matter how "silly" some think it may be).....it's only OUR future, and of our generations at stake, after all.....

01-03-2007, 06:45 PM

the anti-christ disguised as Mohammed Al Abdullah.
I saw this series on TV last weak called the Anti-Christ Chronicles, a reglious broadcast, This guy Walberg presented evidence that the anti-christ is the Papacy.

buckfever

01-03-2007, 07:12 PM

I saw this series on TV last weak called the Anti-Christ Chronicles, a reglious broadcast, This guy Walberg presented evidence that the anti-christ is the Papacy.

Hmmmm. . . .let's see.

Pope Benedict is German. Hitler was German. Many investment bankers and industrialists are German. Albert Einstein, Beethoven, Bach - all Germans. And although I can't prove this, I'd bet that at least one of the Rockefellers has vacationed in Germany.

Need I go further? :)

wademup

01-03-2007, 07:14 PM

Pooge

01-03-2007, 07:21 PM

No, it's a medical malpractice case. My client, a psychiatrist, is getting sued by some families after he inadvertently released some mentally ill, paranoid schizophrenic patients out of the hospital ward a few years ago and they can't seem to find them. There's no telling where they are.

YOU ARE FREAKING KILLING ME MAN! LOL :D

aceoky

01-03-2007, 07:22 PM

I am a very Christian and proud of it but when a preacher or anyone says " I know something that nobody else knows" its time to find a new preacher!! The word of God is not a book of secrets and there are no "NEW" revelations in my opinion,if we need to know it,it,s already in there. I have tought the Book of Revelation twice and found something new to me every time but i guarantee you I wasn't the first,after all is said and done the Bilble should always be the source of Revelation not any man!!

Wademup(Bible thumping,gun nut,card packing member of the vast right wing conspiracy and pretty much everything else that makes me an "evangelical Weirdo!!)

Agreed!

(well except for the fact that a part of Daniel was "sealed up by God" saved for the "end days" according to the Bible) which I take to mean we couldn't understand that part(or begin to try to) before we were meant to....(which I believe to be now, since Israel is again it's own nation as God promised (came about again 1948...OWN Nation again 1967)....and NO man can explain why after many centuries.....the only reason is because God promised and then made it happen!....obviously many are NOT happy about that fact either).....(which also takes away from those "other ideas" some want to speak about how they were wrong.......they couldn't have been right, because God hadn't allowed them to be known yet)

gwhilikerz

01-03-2007, 07:28 PM

I saw this series on TV last weak called the Anti-Christ Chronicles, a reglious broadcast, This guy Walberg presented evidence that the anti-christ is the Papacy.

That guy was dead wrong Al. I am not catholic and i don't agree with much that is catholic,or protestant for that matter. As long as a person says they are Christian and their deeds show it, then they have a brother in me.

Pooge

01-03-2007, 07:35 PM

gwhilikerz

01-03-2007, 07:38 PM

Ummm guys.... before you worry about some new world conspiracy to dominate and subvert you might want to focus your attention to that huge arctic ice shelf that broke off yesterday. It (climate change) is a far bigger threat than the racist white frat brothers that head up the NWO. I am not a tree hugging freak and I dont care about the politics behind why the climate is changing but it is.
Sure the climate is changing. It has been changing for years. Getting warmer now, then in a few thousand years it will get colder again ( If God hasn't done His shaking before then)Don't worry Al Gore has you covered:)

buckfever

01-03-2007, 07:41 PM

Who's involved in this NWO conspiracy. . . .

The leaders of all major industrial countries like the United States, England, Germany, Italy, Australia, New Zealand, etc. (members of the "G7/G8" ) are active and fully cooperative participants in this conspiracy.

NOW, just take a look at whose quoted by ol' Uncle Aceoky in his signature line. . . Yep, that's right, Ronald Reagan. :eek:

You can fool some of 'em, Ace, but I'm on to ya now.

I'm gonna be keeping a close eye on you from here on out, brother.

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aceoky

01-03-2007, 07:57 PM

Yeah, "global warming" (I remember when they swore it was global cooling....odd isn't it) is much more important than real concerns for souls and the future of our country........

Unless, anyone actually believes it IS in our "best interest" to open our borders full throttle (as the UN resoloutions
we signed do)........AND give Full Benefits to those who come here (we have been told for how long Social Security is in trouble.......HOW can adding illegal aliens to the reciever list help ).............OH but that takes actual thought, and isn't "so funny" ....so let's ignore all that "garbage" and dwell on things other than what will no doubt destroy us........IS that "the plan"???

In the meantime let's "make merry" and "scoff" at reality shall we, who gets the "last laugh"........I'd have to say that is the question of the hour......

Sorry I am not more amusing, or entertaining, I'd sure like to be.....however, unless those UN treaties are not signed (they are), and unless, LAW no longer exists (not yet).....I have to take serious threats seriously.....label me what you will.....doesn't matter, and doesn't change one single thing.......shoot the messenger IF you will......the message doesn't change now does it?

IF you believe the climate is of anywhere near the same threat as those who wish to enslave those of us they don't KILL........ I respect your position.....

aceoky

01-03-2007, 08:05 PM

HERE is the FEMA who will do that (since some seem to have missed it or don't understand the seriousness of it)

The National Police force of FEMA made up of.....(incooperated into )

1. specially selected US military personnel
2. foreign military units carrying United Nations ID cards, and
3. specially trained existing police groups from larger metropolitan American cities.

Now someone please show me them in ANY place so as to judge their lack of being affective.........(can you say SWAT.....from the best of the best)

aceoky

01-03-2007, 08:11 PM

It's even "more odd" that so many of you missed this part from the ONE who drafted what is to be the FEMA of the future (though I posted it in plain sight and bolded it)
He
criticized democracy and economic development as outdated ideas

THAT is the guy where FEMA "came from" IF that is a joke, well I'm not laughing at all.........who really is , "in their right mind" though I've been painted I suppose as an escaped mental patient........one thing is certain, soon it won't be hard to know truth from fiction.......and again *I* didn't write it, I only passed it on for those willing to keep an open enough mind to see what IS planned for us, I don't like it, I'm not gaining any pleasure in posting it, however that changes nothing.....

remind me again, exaclty who was it who recently stated the holocaust of the Jews didn't really happen??? BAD things do happen in this world, most refuse to see them even when they are right there, nothing new, and I also realized it wouldn't be "popular" to speak the truth, it never is.....no one wants to think about such terrible things , especially when they can happen to THEM........that's human nature, I understand that very well....however.....

Some things are just NOT funny......ever......and for ME senseless murder is right at the top......

WHAT makes a man like Hitler "tick" , I don't want to know the depths of his degradations.......I do however hold it to be solid fact and truth those type people exist......and don't care about us.........or our families at all..

gwhilikerz

01-03-2007, 08:24 PM

Pooge

01-03-2007, 08:42 PM

aceoky

01-03-2007, 08:43 PM

Better be careful ace, ol' bucky might try to get us commited. Or maybe just get the legislature to investigate us. You know what a crafty lawyer he is.
.

I have better things to do than read his stuff, which is why he's been on ignore for some time now :) He is never content to "discuss" anything where I'm concerned, he wants to argue, insult, twist my words into what they never were close to ,(several examples here of exactly that in quotes by you from him that I've seen).. and attack me personally, it's been that way for far too long, leaving me with little choice but to place him on ignore out of respect for the other members here who probably don't like the "back and forth".....shame it came to that, but alas it did.

HE can continue to attack me personally to his heart's content, I no longer care and haven't really since the LKS thing......since it seems he is the "mouthpeice" for the LKS I can only imagine "great things" to come.......:rolleyes:

Seriously, he is the very least of my worries and/or concerns,, I'll continue to pray for him.....(good thing for him I'm not a moslem) ;)

I'm actually and seriously though concerned about what these new UN resoloutions(among other things) will lead to.......

aceoky

01-03-2007, 08:49 PM

Holy Cow! I went to the Educate-Yourself site that explains the FEMA Scam and read about the Succor Punch and the Orgone Generator...... I am reading about "Project Blue Beam" right now. If I would have known all of this information was available for free I would have never gone to college! Sylphs and Chemtrails is next on the required reading list. Can you believe that all this time I thought those lines in the sky were from airplanes!

Keep laughing........you're amazing and amuzing me at the same time, did you "think" everything in print (especially on the 'net" was true).......

When things keep coming up (and some by former military leaders btw........AND they conform to what God said Will happen).......it's not the same thing.......

Those who will flock to your UFOs (or whatever).....wait on someone you trust to "speak" to you, I'll go on a several thousand old proven to be true book(the Holy Bible)......scoff as you wish, it doesn't matter in the least to me.....

YOU won't be judged by my doings, and beliefs and likewise I won't be (thankfully) vise versa.....whomever "you" may be....it is up to us to work out our own salvation 'with fear and trembling"..........some I'm certain will laugh all the way up to the "trembling" point ......sad as it is to say

gwhilikerz

01-03-2007, 09:08 PM

I just saw on tv where the new secretary general has appointed a mexican to head the financial arm of the UN. That position has been held by an American and we provide 25% of the UN budget. Guess the UN will now use our money to help the mexican government buy gps units for those "illegals" crossing the border. 'Course they may just provide transportation for them as well. Wonder what is really inside those black helicopters?

Multidigits

01-03-2007, 09:11 PM

buckfever

01-03-2007, 10:17 PM

maxcam

01-04-2007, 12:13 AM

Im curious Ace, are you a regular listener of George Noory and Art Bell?

buckfever

01-04-2007, 09:40 AM

Holy Cow! I went to the Educate-Yourself site that explains the FEMA Scam and read about the Succor Punch and the Orgone Generator...... I am reading about "Project Blue Beam" right now. If I would have known all of this information was available for free I would have never gone to college! Sylphs and Chemtrails is next on the required reading list. Can you believe that all this time I thought those lines in the sky were from airplanes!

Pooge - You raised my interest level, so I went to that site to educate myself. Apparently, FEMA is now operating "Concentration Camps" right here in KY at the following locations:

KENTUCKY
Ashland - Federal prison camp in Eastern Kentucky near the Ohio River.

Louisville - FEMA detention facility, located near restricted area US naval ordnance plant. Military airfield located at facility, which is on south side of city.
Lexington - FEMA detention facility, National Guard base with adjacent airport facility.
Manchester - Federal prison camp located inside Dan Boone National Forest.
Ft. Knox - Detention center, possibly located near Salt River, in restricted area of base. Local patriots advise that black Special Forces & UN gray helicopters are occasionally seen in area.
Land Between the Lakes - This area was declared a UN biosphere and is an ideal geographic location for detention facilities. Area is an isthmus extending out from Tennessee, between Lake Barkley on the east and Kentucky Lake on the west. Just scant miles from Fort Campbell in Tennessee.

Maybe there's something to all this after all. . .Since FEMA is using those areas as concetration camps, it's absolutley no wonder people are complaining about the poor hunting at Ft. Knox and LBL.

Nobody needs to draw me a picture!:eek:

aceoky

01-04-2007, 09:53 AM

Im curious Ace, are you a regular listener of George Noory and Art Bell?

No.....in fact I don't remember ever hearing either one.

aceoky

01-04-2007, 10:12 AM

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-29-2006/0004497706&EDATE=

Social Security Agreement With Mexico Released After 3 1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle

WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --
After numerous refusals
over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has
released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security
Totalization Agreement. The government was forced to make the disclosure in
response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA
Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million-member nonpartisan seniors advocacy
group.
The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican
workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust
Fund.
The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and
is awaiting President Bush's signature. Once President Bush approves the
agreement, which would be done without Congressional vote, either House of
Congress would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject
it.
"The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security
is within decades of bankruptcy -- yet, they seem to have no problem making
agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, Chairman of the
TREA Senior Citizens League.

The U.S. currently has 21 similar agreements in effect with other
nations, which are intended to eliminate dual taxation for persons who work
outside their country of origin. All of the agreements are with developed
nations with economies similar to that of the U.S.
For example, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40
calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under
totalization agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both
countries in order to qualify for benefits. The Agreement with Mexico, like
other totalization agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six
quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.

But Mexico's retirement system is radically different than that of
other participating countries. For example, only 40 percent of
non-government workers participate in Mexico's system, whereas 96 percent
of America's non- government workers do. In addition, the U.S. system is
progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put
in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued
interest.
"I applaud the persistent efforts of TREA Senior Citizens League to try
to get documents from the U.S. Government about the U.S.-Mexico Social
Security Totalization Agreement," said Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.). "The
American people are finally beginning to get some of the information
regarding this Agreement that they have been seeking for so long."

According to the SSA, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying
out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year
2040.

With 1.2 million members, TREA Senior Citizens League is one of the
nation's largest nonpartisan seniors groups. Visit
http://www.SeniorsLeague.org for more information or to see the
Totalization Agreement documents.

__________________________________________________ __________

I didn't make that up either.....fwiw

Things are changing, whether we like it or not, and whether we choose to believe it or not.
What is the answer, I have no idea, however I have to think that opening our borders wide open , encouraging more lawlessness (remember the illegal alien child abuse stats provided?), threatening further of our economy by doing all these things can't be "for our own good", IMHO...

I just found out that Canada may be moving away from the "looney" (their dollar) towards either the US Dollar or a new one called the "Amero".......

IF the US dollar is not the currency on which OPEC oil is bought and sold the damage to the dollar and our whole economy is in danger, that I also haven't "made up".....it's my opinion, humble as it may be that the informed make better more informed choices and decisions than those who simply shout "another conspiracy theory" all of the time....

I've also noticed those who claim none of this is real, haven't shown us anything to back up their claims, (other than opinions on why they're not concerned). All the while I've shown, UN treaties signed (against imho our best interest; with links), major changes in the Social Security laws, real threats to our economy and way of life.....isn't too hard to see what's going on here???

Also on a "side note" for those who just refuse to beleive in "conspiracy" and "secrets" kept from us, anyone ever heard of the Manhattan Project .....bet you that you didn't while it was "ongoing" and "top secret"......

aceoky

01-04-2007, 11:04 AM

rediff.com

Ajit Jain in Toronto

July 28, 2001

Canada and the United States are considering dismantling their 4,800-kilometre border to allow for free movement of people and fewer immigration restrictions for workers.

A front-page report in Saturday's Toronto Star quotes Canadian government sources in the US and Canada as saying that "the 49th Parallel would become a 'Main Street North America' rather than a restrictive checkpoint for the 200 million people who cross it annually and $2 billion (Canadian) in goods that cross daily".

This report comes in the wake of an earlier report that Canada is heading towards adopting the US dollar as its national currency.

Canada will abandon the loonie (Canadian dollar) and become the US Federal Reserve's 13th district "within five years" unless the government changes its policies to prop up the eroding Canadian currency, Jeffrey Rubin, chief economist for the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, is quoted as saying in a report in The Financial Times.

While other Canadian economists have begun forecasting a shift to the US dollar in 10 to 20 years or more, Rubin's is considered the most slender time frame in Canada opting for the US currency.

As the Canadian dollar is slowly becoming obsolete, government officials on both sides consider the border between the two countries also "obsolete". If at all, it will remain in symbolic terms.

The Canadian daily says that under a new concept of continental border enforcement, Canada and the US will defend their share of the North American 'perimeter'. Officials at entry points will question new arrivals to weed out illegal immigrants and potential terrorists. Once inside, people will be able to travel freely.

Elinor Caplan, Canadian immigration minister, has reportedly supported this notion: "Modernising the border is something the [immigration] department has been looking at as a longer-term project and the perimeter strategy is something that's being looked at," Caplan's spokesman Alain Laurencelle is quoted as saying.

"In the 21st century, in the case of Canada and the United States, the traditional concept of an international border has lost its relevance," Michael Kergin, Canada's ambassador in Washington, is quoted as observing. "I believe we should think of the border not as a frontier but as a meeting place," said US Ambassador in Ottawa Paul Cellucci, who's a former governor of Massachusetts and a personal friend of President George W Bush.

"A 'main street' is where people meet, traffic moves and business gets done," he reportedly said.

"The more user-friendly it becomes, the more it can facilitate the commerce that enriches our societies. That's where Washington and Ottawa need help from each of your provinces, from interested businesses and stakeholders and from concerned citizens," Cellucci added.

According to official statistics, around $700 billion a year worth of goods move across the Canada-US border, which is considered the world's largest trading relationship.................

...............All these reports about the dismantling of the US-Canada border and a common currency is an omen of two countries becoming more and more integrated as one entity when 32 million Canadians will join 280 million Americans in singing The Star-spangled Banner on July 4.

aceoky

01-04-2007, 12:14 PM

A second area that Gore deals with extensively in his book("Earth In The Balance"). is the issue of Global Warming. He says:

"Global Warming is also a strategic threat. The concentration of carbon dioxide and other heat-absorbing molecules has increased by almost 25% since World War II, posing a worldwide threat to the earth's ability to regulate the amount of heat from the sun retained in the atmosphere. This increase in heat seriously threatens the global climate equilibrium that determines the pattern of winds, rainfall, surface temperatures, ocean currents, and sea level. These, in turn determine the distribution of vegetative and animal life on land and sea and have a great effect on the location and pattern of human societies."

Is global warming the threat Mr. Gore seems to believe it is?

Contrary to Mr. Gore's statements that there is nearly universal agreement among scientists concerning the facts of global warming, there are a number of highly competent scientists that have differed publicly with the findings of the United Nations panel that predicted a 2 degree rise in temperature by the year 2025.

These highly competent scientists are from such prestigious places as M.I.T., Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, the National Weather Service, and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, to name but a few. These scientists point out that weather data has been collected for 10 years by satellites. This data has been examined by NASA space meteorologists Dr. Roy Spencer and Dr. J.R. Christy, who reported their findings in the March, 1990, Science Magazine.

Their conclusion: "There is no obvious long-term trend; and anomalies during the first 5 years nearly balance those during the last five years."

For close to 100 years, temperature and precipitation levels have been recorded daily at thousands of stations worldwide. If any significant warming had occurred, these readings would show it. But, simply stated, they do not show any significant level of warming.

Even global warming adherents recognize that there has only been a one-half degree Celsius change in global temperatures. Even this change in temperatures is highly questionable because the measuring stations are not evenly distributed around the globe. They are located on only 30% of the earth's surface. The satellite data is much more reliable. A damaging flaw in the global warming theory is found in the lack of temperature rise when the levels of carbon dioxide were at their highest.

Gore himself admits that the release of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere has increased 25% since World War II. If the global warming theory were correct, then there would be an accompanying temperature rise, and there is none.

Commenting on the unsubstantiated claims about carbon dioxide, the University of Virginia's Dr. Patrick Michaels adds,

"It's pretty apparent that the lion's share of the warming occurred before the lion's share of increases in carbon dioxide emissions. There are only so many things that can go against a simplistic theory before one has to admit that it is simplistic".

01-04-2007, 12:29 PM

Dang Ace you must be a fast typer.

Pooge

01-04-2007, 12:31 PM

elkguy

01-04-2007, 12:42 PM

Want to know how we only have ourselves to blame for us falling into a one world government. We started allowing our kids to play soccer. That is the sport of a one world government. Soccer is replacing football and baseball as the fall and sspring sports for kids from 7 to 12 years of age. Before you know it, the Red Chinese will be massed at the Canadian border!

Be a good American. Take your kid to baseball practice!!!!!!!!:D

elkguy

01-04-2007, 12:45 PM

I guess the fact that the ice is melting and sea levels are rising is too vague and inconclusive.....

But of course my source of data for this ice melting, sea level theory was only the University of Colorado. Had I first visited Educate-Yourself.com before formulating this opinion I might have been convinced that "Global Warming" is just a ruse by decendents of ancient Aztecs in an attempt to establish George Bush as the second coming of Quetzalcoatl.

;)

Quetzalcoati???? That is a big word, but I think I cna actually pronounce it. Did you go to Louisville public schools? If so, you have greatly exceeded your potential.:D

Pooge

01-04-2007, 01:07 PM

gwhilikerz

01-04-2007, 02:02 PM

I guess the fact that the ice is melting and sea levels are rising is too vague and inconclusive.....

But of course my source of data for this ice melting, sea level theory was only the University of Colorado. Had I first visited Educate-Yourself.com before formulating this opinion I might have been convinced that "Global Warming" is just a ruse by decendents of ancient Aztecs in an attempt to establish George Bush as the second coming of Quetzalcoatl.

;)
Has University of Colorado been preparing their "beaches" for the rising water? doesn't that professor who claims to be an american indian but isn't teach there? You know, the guy that claims 9-11 was a lie or an American plot. Did you learn from him?

Pooge

01-04-2007, 02:36 PM

Would this be the guy?

http://muppet.wikia.com/images/9/92/Bunsen.jpg

gwhilikerz

01-04-2007, 04:02 PM

No. That looks more like my high school principal, the guy that gave me a week's unexcused absence just because I went deer hunting

aceoky

01-04-2007, 04:09 PM

Ice has been melting for thousands of years, that alone doesn't really prove anything, and what eveidence is there the oceans are actually, really rising? I've seen none of that; at least proven.

I know the sea level isn't rising at all, the ground is actually sinking! ;)

The fact is for every one scientist who says we have "global warming" there is at least one more who says we do not, in no way is there any conclusiveness in that approach, however the UN treaties ARE signed, as are the other things presented as real, why focus on what isn't proven rather than what is known to be true??? "Theories" are fun to examine and discuss, but unless proven to be true aren't...

"off topic", but where on Earth did Pooge get my picture from? :D

quackrstackr

01-04-2007, 04:14 PM

this whole thread is off topic.....

:D

aceoky

01-04-2007, 04:15 PM

this whole thread is off topic.....

:D

Shhhh.......let's keep that "top secret" :D :D

maxcam

01-04-2007, 04:16 PM

Rush is always right and he says that Al Gore and Global warming are a farse! :D

aceoky

01-04-2007, 04:19 PM

Al Gore and Global warming are a farse

Something we agree on max! :eek: :D :D

aceoky

01-04-2007, 04:31 PM

Short and sweet for those who don't like to read very much :)

"The Senate immigration reform bill would allow for up to 193 million new legal immigrants -- a number greater than 60 percent of the current U.S. population -- in the next 20 years, according to a study released yesterday.
'The magnitude of changes that are entailed in this bill -- and are largely unknown -- rival the impact of the creation of Social Security or the creation of the Medicare program', said Robert Rector, senior policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation who conducted the study."

aceoky

01-04-2007, 10:22 PM

http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=82194

Date: 2005-12-25

Benedict XVI's Christmas Message

"By Knocking at Our Door, God Challenges Us and Our Freedom"

VATICAN CITY, DEC. 25, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Here is a translation of Benedict XVI's Christmas message delivered at midday before he imparted the blessing "urbi et orbi" (to the city of Rome and the world).

* * *

"I bring you good news of a great joy … for to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:10-11).

Last night we heard once more the Angel's message to the shepherds, and we experienced anew the atmosphere of that holy night, Bethlehem Night, when the Son of God became man, was born in a lowly stable and dwelt among us. On this solemn day, the Angel's proclamation rings out once again, inviting us, the men and women of the third millennium, to welcome the Savior. May the people of today's world not hesitate to let him enter their homes, their cities, their nations, everywhere on earth!

In the millennium just past, and especially in the last centuries, immense progress was made in the areas of technology and science. Today we can dispose of vast material resources. But the men and women in our technological age risk becoming victims of their own intellectual and technical achievements, ending up in spiritual barrenness and emptiness of heart. That is why it is so important for us to open our minds and hearts to the Birth of Christ, this event of salvation which can give new hope to the life of each human being.

Wake up, O man! For your sake God became man" (St. Augustine, "Sermo," 185). Wake up, O men and women of the third millennium! At Christmas, the Almighty becomes a child and asks for our help and protection. His way of showing that he is God challenges our way of being human. By knocking at our door, he challenges us and our freedom; he calls us to examine how we understand and live our lives.

The modern age is often seen as an awakening of reason from its slumbers, humanity's enlightenment after an age of darkness. Yet without the light of Christ, the light of reason is not sufficient to enlighten humanity and the world. For this reason, the words of the Christmas Gospel: "the true Light that enlightens every man was coming into this world" (John 1:9) resound now more than ever as a proclamation of salvation. "It is only in the mystery of the Word made flesh that the mystery of humanity truly becomes clear" ("Gaudium et Spes," No. 22). The Church does not tire of repeating this message of hope reaffirmed by the Second Vatican Council, which concluded 40 years ago.

Men and women of today, humanity come of age yet often still so frail in mind and will, let the Child of Bethlehem take you by the hand! Do not fear; put your trust in him! The life-giving power of his light is an incentive for building a new world order based on just ethical and economic relationships. May his love guide every people on earth and strengthen their common consciousness of being a "family" called to foster relationships of trust and mutual support. A united humanity will be able to confront the many troubling problems of the present time: from the menace of terrorism to the humiliating poverty in which millions of human beings live, from the proliferation of weapons to the pandemics and the environmental destruction which threatens the future of our planet

May the God who became man out of love for humanity strengthen all those in Africa who work for peace, integral development and the prevention of fratricidal conflicts, for the consolidation of the present, still fragile political transitions, and the protection of the most elementary rights of those experiencing tragic humanitarian crises, such as those in Darfur and in other regions of central Africa. May he lead the peoples of Latin America to live in peace and harmony. May he grant courage to people of good will in the Holy Land, in Iraq, in Lebanon, where signs of hope, which are not lacking, need to be confirmed by actions inspired by fairness and wisdom; may he favor the process of dialogue on the Korean peninsula and elsewhere in the countries of Asia, so that, by the settlement of dangerous disputes, consistent and peaceful conclusions can be reached in a spirit of friendship, conclusions which their peoples expectantly await.

At Christmas we contemplate God made man, divine glory hidden beneath the poverty of a Child wrapped in swaddling clothes and laid in a manger; the Creator of the Universe reduced to the helplessness of an infant. Once we accept this paradox, we discover the Truth that sets us free and the Love that transforms our lives. On Bethlehem Night, the Redeemer becomes one of us, our companion along the precarious paths of history. Let us take the hand which he stretches out to us: It is a hand which seeks to take nothing from us, but only to give.

With the shepherds let us enter the stable of Bethlehem beneath the loving gaze of Mary, the silent witness of his miraculous birth. May she help us to experience the happiness of Christmas, may she teach us how to treasure in our hearts the mystery of God who for our sake became man; and may she help us to bear witness in our world to his truth, his love and his peace.

[Original text in Italian; translation issued by the Holy See]

Well, looks like the Pope HAS mentioned it(New World Order).........after all! I have no idea IF this is the only instance or not, found it and thought it should be posted...

buckfever

01-04-2007, 11:45 PM

Well, looks like the Pope HAS mentioned it(New World Order).........after all! I have no idea IF this is the only instance or not, found it and thought it should be posted...

I'd be careful Ace before you start implicitly suggesting that Pope Benedict is involved in the same NWO conspiracy to take over the world that you also attribute to Hitler and his Uncle, among others.

There's quite a few Catholics that would find this extremely offensive, myself included. I suggest that the moderators eliminate this pathetically stupid thread before things get ugly and words like nutbag and fruitcake get tossed around.

TheToons

01-05-2007, 07:16 AM

i would agree, BUT it certainly has given an ol' country girl some food for thought. i will share this one bit of info after reading all of this (and those links had alot of reading!!!), my sister is a member of lds...and she stockpiles enough food and water for her family for 3 mo. do they know something we don't? (she did not do this before becoming a member of lds)

aceoky

01-05-2007, 08:29 AM

(and those links had alot of reading!!!),

Yes I know, sorry about that, there were several more links I have to "back up" those, but at this time I didn't see much reason to add to them.(so much to read as it is) :eek:

For those who refuse to accept any of this, I find it interesting that Saddam was raised by his "hero" Uncle(from about age three when he lost his parents ) Saddam's Uncle gave aid and brought 30,000 Moslem fighters to the aid of Hitler's Germany(when they were very badly needed in the area)....
Thus Saddam's uncle helped form a "tie" between Islam and Hitler's Germany! (they did have similar interests in Hating the Jews,and Iraq had oil, which Germany needed badly especially with the war effort, so the "alliance" makes some sense)...

For those so inclined to check there are many pictures of Saddam's Uncle (sorry his name escapes me at this time)...(who was a very well known war hero in Iraq btw)..and several of Hitler's leaders, including many prominate SS "leaders"....At any rate a "web search" will no doubt back up this historic fact.

Just as anyone can easily see the UN resoloutions, the "new immigration laws" coming into affect, etc.etc.etc.

Anyone who has taken the time involved to read what I posted (and links) about the European Union can easily see for all intents and purposes the seperate nations no longer exist and what's worse, NO one can be or is held accountable now over there for ANY number of "bad things" that may happen in the future.......just as it's always intended to be .....

Folks I'm not smart enough to make up any of this, besides, I have no inclination to do so OR to spread false rumors.....

I can't get over the fact that some of the postings I've made have been "twisted and spun" to reflect nothing even close to what was posted, and rather than post up something to cast serious doubt on any of this, I was personally attacked (a few times I'd guess), insulted, etc.etc.etc.

I'm open for serious discussion on this (as always), I don't appreciate the attacks on my person,(and especially the attempts to "twist and spin" what WAS posted into things it never was OR even close to being).... some think to "shoot the messenger" stops the message(s), it's simply not true, either this is real or it isn't, IF it is (and it certainly seems that it is, the more research one does, the more obvious it becomes that too many are openly speaking of the "new world order" for it to be "just words", there must be more to it) OR it isn't true.....in which case let's see some proof that disputes what most of the World Leaders are talking about.....

When people from President Bush #1 to the former USSR President (good old Gorby), to the current leaders of countries to religions, etc.etc.etc. all seem to be focused on a "New World Order", I'd imagine we should do some serious searching and devote some actual thought to that, NOT turn it into something else.......but that's only my humble opinion..

Whatever IS true, there is NO good explanation for the opening of OUR borders, the increase in LEGAL immigrants they're working toward other than to destroy everything that is the U.S. imho

It's fortunate (at least for now) we are all free to believe what we will, and to discuss those beliefs openly, I fear those days are numbered and getting shorter; it may just make some sense to actually discuss this , as people of the same Nation, rather than as a political "sides issue" or worse, a fight on who's religion is better or more accurate type of thing.
Republican or Democrat, no matter your religion, this affects each of us equally, and IF it's true (again much points to it being so), some will no doubt try to "fight" in the hopes of getting this important thread and discussion "locked", while some of us are actually hoping for some real discussion on what IS going on right before our eyes (though some of it hidden, for years, and it took lawsuits using the Freedom of Information Act to get to the truth on what IS being done to OUR Rights, and freedoms).....

THAT alone shows cause for concen imho......are the people WE elect supposed to SERVE us? Why on Earth would they need to be sued in order to gain the facts on the laws they ARE passing , on OUR behalf??? They are supposed to represent us, yet they refuse to divulge what they're doing?:rolleyes:

I posted the links to prove that IS the case, that speaks volumes folks, what else are they "hiding" from us (or trying to)????

I am convinced that when our borders are being "wide openened".......and they try to hide that from us, something bigger just may be going on, with over 60% of our current population being allowed in (see above) where will ALL these "extra" people live, will there be another "Imminnent Domain" type thing to make room for them?? Where will they work (and how many of us will that affect?).....

Most of us have children (many have grandchildren or hope to have them in the future), HOW will they be affected/treated in the near future?? It's going to be hard to convince anyone these are not serious issues worthy of discussion, and politics has no place in this, both sides would have to be involved for this to "fly", as it seems to be doing very well so far......

01-05-2007, 08:43 AM

my sister is a member of lds...and she stockpiles enough food and water for her family for 3 mo. do they know something we don't?
I dont know what the lds is but the CDC center for desiese control, recommends stockpiling food in case of a out break of bird flu, cause even the slightest threat could cause people to panic, possibly disrupting our trucking and shipping industry resulting in the grocery shelves being cleaned out in about 3 days.

aceoky

01-05-2007, 08:47 AM

cause even the slightest threat could cause people to panic, possibly disrupting our trucking and shipping industry resulting in the grocery shelves being cleaned out in about 3 days.

That's a good point!

There are so many things that could cause such a panic, we are a whole take too many things for "granted", I believe....We are so used to having it so easy, that most any major "change" could easily disrupt things to the point of being "scary" for most (especially in the larger cities)....

Just guessing, but "lds" could be Latter Day Saints??

aceoky

01-05-2007, 08:56 AM

some food for thought

I think that is a very good thing!

As long as we're open to really, actually "think" about what is (or may be ) going on, with an open mind to take what is available and not put our trust in only the media and our leadership(s), then we are free and excersising the rights of being free. It's when we refuse to even consider things we bring bad things upon ourselves imho.

Thought is good, believing everything we're told, by those who don't always have our own best interests at heart(especially above their own desires for power and wealth) is a much more dangerous route to be taking.
Germany shows us what happens when we(meaning a Nation ) blindly follow......Hitler was 'the answer" to them, we now know how well that turned out....:eek:

Swampthing

01-05-2007, 09:31 AM

[quote]Creating the North American Union
by Dennis Behreandt
October 2, 2006

The plans for a North American Security and Prosperity Partnership are steps on the way to a North American Union. (Tell your representative and senators "NO North American Union!" (http://www.capwiz.com/jbs/issues/alert/?alertid=9037471) Also, click here (http://www.capwiz.com/jbs/issues/alert/?alertid=9072401) to send a message to your representative and senators in support of H. Con. Res. 487 to stop the NAU.)

On June 21, viewers of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight heard the alarming introduction to a segment of the program devoted to the future of the United States of America. "The Bush administration's open-borders policy and its decision to ignore the enforcement of this country's immigration laws is part of a broader agenda," Dobbs intoned. "President Bush signed a formal agreement that will end the United States as we know it, and he took the step without approval from either the U.S. Congress or the people of the United States."
The agreement Dobbs was talking about was crafted a year earlier. On March 23, 2005, then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Mexican President Vicente Fox met with President Bush in Waco, Texas, to discuss plans for integrating Canada, the United States, and Mexico. During that meeting, the three heads of state argued that the three nations are "mutually dependent and complementary" and need to work together more closely on a range of issues. "In a rapidly changing world, we must develop new avenues of cooperation that will make our open societies safer and more secure, our businesses more competitive, and our economies more resilient," the three leaders said in a joint statement.
The standard diplomatic language was a prelude to a radical proposal calling for the merger of the three nations in several important ways. Under a so-called Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), the nations will no longer have separate borders, but will "implement common border-security." The three nations will no longer respond on the national level to emergencies but will have a "common approach to emergency response." And, in a move that has tremendous implications for the growing immigration crisis, the three leaders agreed that the United States' north and south borders would be eliminated. Under the SPP plan, the three nations will "implement a border-facilitation strategy to build capacity and improve the legitimate flow of people and cargo at our shared borders."
This plan is nothing short of revolutionary. As Dobbs put it on his CNN program, it is "an absolute contravention of our law, of our Constitution, every national value." Though the plan sounds like a new innovation, it is not new. It is the next step in a progression of steps that, in a manner very similar to the process used in Europe to supplant individual nations with the European Union, will ultimately lead to the formation of a new government for the United States, the North American Union. If not stopped, the plan for a North American Union will supplant the former independent states of Canada, Mexico, and the United States. And this is not conjecture. The North American Union is official U.S. policy.
The European Template

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) serves as the intellectual incubator for most of the foreign policy direction followed by the executive branch of the federal government. Before the trilateral meeting between the heads of state in Waco on March 23 of last year, the CFR had already undertaken an initiative with its counterparts in Mexico and Canada (Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales and the Canadian Council of Chief Executives) to study the possibility of integrating the three nations. Laying the foundation for the Waco meeting, the CFR produced a document entitled Creating a North American Community: Chairmen's Statement Independent Task Force on the Future of North America. The document called for "the creation by 2010 of a community to enhance security, prosperity, and opportunity for all North Americans."
The CFR is proposing nothing less than a plan to create a North American Union, similar to the European Union. The CFR protests that this is not its intention. "A new North American community will not be modeled on the European Union or the European Commission, nor will it aim at the creation of any sort of vast supranational bureaucracy," the Chairmen's Statement said.
But this is exactly the kind of statements that were made about the EU during its earlier phases of development. The EU got its start in 1950 with the plan for European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC). The plan was developed by Robert Schuman, who would become a socialist prime minister in France, and French planning minister Jean Monnet in 1950. The so-called Schuman Plan was adopted via the Treaty of Paris in 1952. The ECSC merged the coal and steel industries of West Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg and created a supranational governing organization. According to Georgetown University historian Carol Quigley, "This was a truly revolutionary organization since it had sovereign powers, including the authority to raise funds outside any existing state's power." As Quigley noted, "This 'supranational' body had the right to control prices, channel investment, raise funds, allocate coal and steel during shortages, and fix production in times of surplus." In short, "The ECSC was a rudimentary government," Quigley concluded.
Creating a regional, supranational government was always the aim in Europe. In 1990, the European Commission admitted as much in the publication Europe — A Fresh Start: "Monetary union and economic integration are two long-standing ambitions which the six founding States ... set themselves." The document continued, describing the intent of the EU's founders: "We see, then, that the institutions set up since 1950 on the initiative of Robert Schuman and Jean Monnet are responding well to the aim of their founders: broadening the scope of democratically and efficiently organized collective action to cover the new arenas of interdependence among Europeans." The end result of this gradual planning has been union in Europe.
That union was the goal all along was not readily apparent during the decades of its development. The long-term aim of the ECSC was hidden by its purportedly narrow scope. From its name alone, it appeared that the six-nation arrangement had only to do with coal and steel. Later EU precursors followed the same plan. The European Economic Community, at first glance, appeared to be nothing more than a free trade arrangement. It was nevertheless founded on the Monnet doctrine that economic integration must precede political integration.

Such deception, in fact, remained one of the key elements in crafting the EU, right up until recent years, a fact referenced by Villy Bergström, a recent former deputy of the Swedish central bank. "I have never before seen such manipulated, obscure and faked policies as in relation to Swedish relations to the EU," Bergström wrote a few years ago. "Information has been evasive and unclear, giving the impression that membership of the EU would mean much less radical change than what has been the case."
The strategy of building the EU through piecemeal means paid off. Following the creation of the ECSC, European internationalists supported by the U.S. government added additional elements to the emerging European superstate. Though they suffered setbacks — a nascent European Defense Community was rejected by France, and initial plans for a European Political Community were shelved shortly after the creation of the ECSC — those setbacks were temporary. The Treaty of Rome created the European Economic Community in 1957. The EEC was the immediate predecessor of today's European Union.

Swampthing

01-05-2007, 09:32 AM

continued,...

An EEC for North America
North American integration got its big start with the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). The arrangement was billed as little more than the creation of a free trade arrangement between Canada, Mexico, and the United States. But it really was the initial step toward regional integration. According to professor Guy Poitras of San Antonio's Trinity University, one of the factors motivating the creation of NAFTA was the view that it was an important early step toward further integration. In his book Inventing North America, Poitras noted that NAFTA's creation of regionalized interdependence gave "a structural foundation for the task of inventing North America."
In a pro-NAFTA article in the Washington Post in 1993, William Orme, Jr. pointed out that the then-fledgling trade pact was indeed a steppingstone to further integration. [/b]"NAFTA," Orme admitted, "lays the foundation for a continental common market, as many of its architects privately acknowledge. Part of this foundation, inevitably, is bureaucratic: The agreement creates a variety of continental institutions — ranging from trade dispute panels to labor and environmental commissions — that are, in aggregate, an embryonic NAFTA government."[/b]
That free trade agreements like NAFTA must evolve into political unions is taken for granted among academics that work closely with such issues. In 1998, Glen Atkinson, professor of economics at the University of Nevada in Reno, described this step-by-step process in an article entitled "Regional Integration in the Emerging Global Economy" in the Social Science Journal. Integration "must be an evolutionary process of continuous institutional development," Atkinson wrote. Indeed, the development of supranational governing organs is inevitable, though it will erode national sovereignty, he writes. "The need for shared institutions among the parties is critical for integration, which will lead to a weakening of national sovereignty in some areas of interest. Sovereignty, however, must reside someplace in order to enforce regional working conditions, intellectual and other property rights and other concerns." NAFTA, being a "free trade" arrangement, is only a preliminary step. According to Atkinson:
The lowest level of integration is a free trade area which involves only the removal of tariffs and quotas among the parties. If a common external tariff is added, then a customs union has been created. The next level, or a common market, requires free movement of people and capital as well as goods and services. It is this stage where institutional development becomes critical. The stage of economic union requires a high degree of coordination or even unification of policies. This sets the foundation for political union.
Now, according to those most concerned with creating a North American Union, it's time to move beyond NAFTA. Professor Robert Pastor of American University serves also as vice-chair of the CFR Task Force on North America and is one of the primary intellectual architects of North American regionalism. According to Pastor, even after NAFTA, U.S. policy has been too nationalistic. "Instead of trying to fashion a North American approach to continental problems, we continue to pursue problems on a dual-bilateral basis, taking one issue at a time," Pastor said in testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere on June 9, 2005. "But incremental steps will no longer solve the security problem, or allow us to grasp economic opportunities. What we need to do now is forge a North American Community," Pastor stated.
This, in fact, has been a major goal of the Bush administration and of the Mexican administration of Vicente Fox. In a paper entitled Closing the Development Gap: A Proposal for a North American Investment Fund, Pastor and coauthors Samuel Morley and Sherman Robinson point out that Mexican President Vicente Fox has long advocated a North American common market. "Soon after he won Mexico's presidential election on July 2, 2000, Vicente Fox proposed a Common Market to replace the free-trade area," Pastor, Morley, and Robinson wrote. "He invited President George W. Bush to his home in February 2001 and persuaded him to endorse 'The Guanajuato Proposal.'" President Bush quickly signed on to the plan. In a joint statement with Fox released by the White House on February 16, 2001, Bush described the outcome of the meeting. "After consultation with our Canadian partners, we will strive to consolidate a North American economic community whose benefits reach the lesser-developed areas of the region and extend to the most vulnerable social groups in our countries," said the Bush/Fox statement announcing a new "partnership for prosperity."
A Deepening Union
With the announcement on March 23, 2005 of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, the Bush administration, along with the governments of Mexico and Canada, has taken the next step toward a European Union-style superstate in North America. The SPP features a wide range of initiatives on matters related to security and commerce. These include:

Create a proto-parliament called the North American Competitiveness Council. According to official SPP documents, this body will "address issues of immediate importance" and provide "strategic" advice. It will also "provide input on the compatibility of our security and prosperity agendas."
Under the purported threat of an avian flu pandemic, the parties to the SPP will harmonize plans for continuity of government in the event of a crisis.
Begin harmonizing security organs by creating a "common approach to critical infrastructure protection," and "develop and implement joint plans for cooperation for incident response, as well as conduct coordinated training and exercises in emergency response."
Create a single energy policy for North America by "improving transparency and regulatory compatibility."The SPP also has tremendous implications for immigration. As NAFTA erased most remaining barriers hampering the flow of capital between Canada, Mexico, and the United States, the SPP will look for ways to eliminate bottlenecks hampering the flow of people. According to the official SPP agenda, the new international body will work to "identify measures to facilitate further the movement of business persons."
Specific policies likely to be followed by the SPP can be found in the CFR report entitled Building a North American Community that was released just after the March 23, 2005 SPP meeting in Waco, Texas. In its recommendations, the CFR report suggests, "The three governments should commit themselves to the long-term goal of dramatically diminishing the need for the current intensity of the governments' physical control of cross-border traffic, travel, and trade within North America. A long-term goal for a North American border action plan should be joint screening of travelers from third countries at their first point of entry into North America and the elimination of most controls over the temporary movement of these travelers within North America." This goes a long way toward explaining the maddening lack of urgency that is apparent in Washington concerning the issue of illegal immigration from Mexico. If the SPP follows the CFR template — a virtual certainty — there will no longer be a border to cross illegally.

Swampthing

01-05-2007, 09:33 AM

Moving Fast
Perhaps the most important difference between the formation of the European Union and the effort to build a North American Union is the speed at which the North American version is moving ahead. In Europe, union took decades, with efforts starting just after World War II and culminating in the 1990s. In North America, issues related to union first began only in 1965. According to economist Glen Atkinson, "NAFTA has evolved over several stages beginning with the Canadian-U.S. automobile pact of 1965 and the Canadian-U.S. Free Trade Agreement of 1989." Now, little more than a decade after NAFTA comes the SPP.
A measure of the rapidity with which this drive for a North American Union can affect the lives of citizens is the planned super highway linking the U.S.'s northern and southern borders. The plan for this highway is breathtaking. It includes plans to start construction in 2007 on the so-called Trans Texas Corridor, to be built in large part by a Spanish construction company.
According to the magazine International Construction Review, the project "would be part of the 'super-highway' spanning the United States from the Mexican border at Laredo, making its way through Texas, Kansas and Oklahoma and connecting with the Canadian highway system north of Duluth, Minnesota. Because it would provide a connection all the way between Canada and Mexico, the project is also described as the North American Free Trade Area (NAFTA) super highway."
A further measure of the speed with which a North American Union is likely to develop is found within the CFR's recommendations for the SPP. That organization, which so often drafts the foreign-policy blueprints followed by the federal government, calls for "the creation by 2010 of a North American community.... Its boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly, and safe. Its goal will be to guarantee a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America."
It is incredible, but just four years from now — if the CFR template is followed — the United States may cease to exist as an independent political entity. Its laws, rules, and regulations — including all freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution — will be subject to review and nullification by the North American Union's governing body. Sure, the United States will still be here in name. American soldiers will still fight, mostly, under the U.S. flag. There will be a U.S. president and both houses of Congress will continue to meet and pass legislation. Nevertheless, in very important ways, the United States will become nothing more than a province — albeit an important one — in the emergent North American superstate.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/printer_4213.shtml

aceoky

01-05-2007, 12:05 PM

Thank you very much Swampthing for taking the time to post that.

An important note on the "NAFTA Superhighway", it's predicted to really hurt the incomes of U.S. Truck drivers (OTR especially) once completed....

01-05-2007, 12:18 PM

That will raise some eyebrows, if Mexico gets rid of their peso and goes to dollars.

buckfever

01-05-2007, 12:55 PM

That will raise some eyebrows, if Mexico gets rid of their peso and goes to dollars.

Even if the entire world decides to adopt a single monetary measure, it does NOTHING to support the argument that there is some centuries-old conspiracy to create some "New World Order" with one ruling class and bunch of lower-class serfs.

All of this crap about a conspiracy to create a NWO that includes Hitler, his Uncle, the Pope, the Islamists, the U.S. Presidents, virtually every other Democratic world leader, Queen Elizabeth, the anonymous "investment bankers", pharamceutical company presidents, and the oil barons is COMPLETE AND UTTER HOKEY NONSENSE.

I'm embarrassed that I read and posted on this thread.

aceoky

01-05-2007, 01:28 PM

That will raise some eyebrows, if Mexico gets rid of their peso and goes to dollars.

I can't imagine that being "really possible", UNLESS they are made a part of the US their economy isn't strong enough I'd guess as it is now???

01-05-2007, 01:28 PM

I think that the lawyers are trying to take over the world, unless they have already done it.

buckfever

01-05-2007, 01:55 PM

I think that the lawyers are trying to take over the world, unless they have already done it.

Al - You should clarify that to read "plaintiff's lawyers are trying to take over the word"

aceoky

01-05-2007, 03:22 PM

The dollar's role as the world's reserve currency is eroding fast as the overflowing coffers of the oil-producing states start to hedge their bets against a further fall in its value and start demanding euros and British pounds instead.

And beyond Iraq, the deeper challenges are looming of the nuclear ambitions of Iran and North Korea, along with the damage this will do to the American role as the strategic arbiter of events in the Middle East and Asia.

It will take a brave or a desperate Arab leader these days to let the security of his regime depend on the protection or the wisdom of Washington, or on the security of the dollar as a safe haven. And any Asian leader worth his salt will be wondering how best to balance his country's interests against the evident rise of China and India and the equally evident American decline.

Already the Saudi monarchy and its nervous neighbors in the Gulf, faced with the menace of Iran, are beginning to consider their own nuclear options. The Sunni leaders of Riyadh, of Cairo and Amman, are asking openly whether they might have to get involved in the Iraqi maelstrom to defend their fellow Sunni from the revenge of the Shiites.

Whether the sectarian slaughter between Sunni and Shiite in Iraq can truly be called a civil war is being overtaken by the more urgent question whether a wider Sunni-Shiite conflict could yet erupt across the Middle East.

This is not a good time to be a member of the dwindling band of America's allies. The ranks are thinning fast. Elections in Spain, Italy and Poland have already removed the governments that joined President Bush's misadventure in Iraq.

aceoky

01-05-2007, 03:55 PM

A VERY interesting read.....IMHO (much more than I'm posting btw, some really good , and interesting stuff)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53590

America doesn't have to run the world

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Posted: January 1, 2007
4:07 p.m. Eastern

If there was a defining moment in 2006, it was the public firing of Donald Rumsfeld, just hours after the Republican rout of Nov. 7.

George Bush was bowing to public repudiation of his war policy, his war minister and, indeed, his war presidency.

Yet one senses voters were doing more than rejecting Bush's leadership on Iraq. They were rejecting the very idea of spilling blood and treasure in crusades for "global democracy," "ending tyranny on earth" or a "New World Order."

maxcam

01-05-2007, 05:02 PM

Well if it were possible to create a new world order how do you think that would effect the sportsmen? Would they still exist? Better yet.....Would it be possible for your scenario to be realized in a state agency say like the KDFW?

buckfever

01-05-2007, 05:04 PM

Here's an interesting read from the NWO groupies called:
"The Secret History of America: The Greatest Conspiracy On Earth"

Read carefully as it promises that: This May Be The Most Important Document You Ever Read In Your Life!

Personally, I couldn't get through the whole thing, but some of it was quite entertaining. I skipped around and learned that Pres. Bush's (41 that is) was apparently involved in this whole NWO conspiracy thingy and had a Bush family plan for genetic purity that would've made Hitler proud.

"It is probably no coincidence that the Harriman and Bush families both have a history in Eugenics or race purification and Genetic Selective Breeding. They will propagate their own young on the planet because they can afford it, while sitting back and deciding which countries can have how many children per family. "

I also learned several things about medicine: (a) "germs" (including bacteria and viruses) do not cause disease but are the result of it; (b) great herbal cures like hemp/marijuana have been suppressed by the pharmaceutical industry so that they could fill us with artificially manufactured drugs that actually lower our immune system and keep us dependent on those "petroleum" based products (yes, I guess that's where all the oil companies and Arab Sheikhs fit in). I'm sure you'll also all be amazed to learn that there have been several cures for cancer, but all have been suppressed by the drug industry and our political leaders.

Lastly and most impressively, I learned that HIV and various cancers are caused by the presence of worms in our system, rather by unsafe sex and/or other factors.

Whew. . . .I'm just glad that somebody is finally getting to the bottom of all this and educating us as to the REAL facts.

http://www.freedomdomain.com/Catalog/catalog.htm

aceoky

01-05-2007, 06:16 PM

your scenario

It's many things, but that isn't one of them fwiw

if it were possible to create a new world order

Obviously many seem to believe not only that it's possible they're working toward it daily.

gwhilikerz

01-05-2007, 06:22 PM

The NWO conspirators will attempt to eventually eliminate all firearms. A major component is continually eroding our constitutional right to bear arms.

They have to take baby steps though, seeing as how they're operating under a 1000 year plan that started back in the Dark Ages.

They start with little things like fighting against an expanded crossbow season. . . .no, wait, I didn't mean to say that. . .Please disregard. . .There's NOTHING TO SEE HERE. . . .Awww, Jeez, now I'm gonna have to go through the spanking machine at my next Skull & Crossbones reunion. :D
No, fighting against an expanded crossbow season had nothing to do with NWO and whatever their "plan" might be. It had to do with selfish, self righteous bowhunters who think the whole world revolves around them and their "right" to have to woods to themselves. Of course everyone knows they work harder than any other group of hunters and deserve legal right to all the deer. I think they do go by initials tho. The one that comes to mind right now is ubk.:D

aceoky

01-05-2007, 07:09 PM

I'd say maxcam, that there will be no guns or sportsmen/women allowed to exist, since they'd be a serious threat to those in power.....(I doubt they'll allow that threat (or any actually) to impose on them ,nor would they take that risk imho)

As for the other questions, we're talking about ONE world government,(world-wide) ONE world wide religion, everything, under power of a few "elite", who "know what is REALLY best for us all and the Earth"(in thier own minds at least)..... ALL the Nations of the World would be ruled by these , and according to what I've seen of their plan, they'd eliminate a large part of the population(2/3 of the Total World wide population).. in order to "balance things"(as much as to be able to control what is left???).....

This is to be accomplished (they say) by First creating ten "super nations" (also called Spheres of Influence )of which NAFTA and the EU are creating....in part.... once created they'll turn over their power of these ten super nations (or whatever they call them by then) to this "chosen one" the ONE World Wide Ruler .....

Here they are (again according to them)

North America
Western Europe
Japan
Australia, South Africa, and the rest of the market-economy of the developed world.
Eastern Europe, including Russia
Latin America
North Africa and the Middle East
Tropical Africa
South and Southeast Asia
China

This plan was published in 1974 by authors, Mihajlo Mesarovic and Eduard Pestel and titled "Mankind At The Turning Point". Some have been working hard toward making it happen ever since!

There would no longer be "separate Nations" as there are now, just one "entity" the "new world order", (no more US, no more Spain etc.etc.etc.)

Some of the rulers of current "Super Power Nations" would perhaps be included in these ruling elite, EVERYONE else are to be slaves to them, a Facist government (like the world has Never seen it will be so cruel, even compared to the Russia of old and even much worse than Nazi Germany was).... IS what they plan and envision and are working towards...

I guess some find that funny and amusing........how sad is THAT....:rolleyes:

For those who think it's "funny" and all, be advised part of their plan is a "redistrisbution of wealth", IOW, they take YOUR wealth from you for them.......the RULERS will have the wealth while everyone else is "dirt poor" (much as Cuba has been under Castro) Now IF I had "millions", I don't know if I'd be having so "much fun" mocking this,....but "that's just me" ;)

Keep in mind the ten above and how it "fits" so very well here.....

"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly ...and it had 10 horns. I considered the horns and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first plucked up by the roots..."

"Also, the ten horns that you observed are ten rulers who have as yet received no royal dominion, but together they are to receive power and authority for a single hour, along with the beast . These [rulers] have one common policy, and they deliver their power and authority to the beast."

"by peace shall destroy manyDaniel 8:25

See:
Daniel 2:41 and Revelation 17:12.Daniel 7:7-8,

Think about THAT when we're told about how this is the ONLY way to actually achieve "world peace ,and safety".....

Sheer coincidence???

gwhilikerz

01-05-2007, 09:38 PM

A Squawking Lawyer Bird?

Auk1124

01-05-2007, 11:56 PM

< Munching popcorn >

aceoky

01-06-2007, 10:59 AM

Passes Auk some butter and salt.......

aceoky

01-06-2007, 11:21 AM

(continued from the first part of his column.)...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53590

The 21st century was to be the Second American Century. But after we won the Cold War, freed the captive nations, and brought Russia and China into the international community, our victories turn to ashes in our mouths. The world America built now rejects the master builder.

Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson just led a delegation, including the chairman of the Federal Reserve and half a dozen Cabinet officers, to Beijing to convince the Chinese to help us reduce the $230 billion trade deficit we ran this year with the Mainland. Beijing sent the Americans home with a bag of stale fortune cookies.

China will continue to siphon off our technology, jobs and plants to make the Middle Kingdom the factory of the world and the first power in Asia, eventually on earth. They seek to displace us.

Why should they not? Why should China abandon a trade policy that has given her 9 percent growth for 20 years for a U.S. policy that has given us the largest trade deficits in history? Why should nations that are succeeding adopt the policies of nations that are failing, and wailing?

Japan, the European Union, Canada and Mexico are also piling up mammoth trade surpluses at our expense, by manipulating currencies and tax codes to subsidize exports and repel imports from the United States.

And we take it. What the election of 2006 demonstrated, in Ohio and Michigan and among the Reagan Democrats, is that Americans are fed up with being played for free-trade fools by the rest of the world.

Moscow is creating an OPEC-like natural gas cartel to squeeze the ex-Soviet republics and as a reminder to a gas-dependent Europe that Mother Russia is watching you. Partly because we planted NATO on her front porch and sought to subvert her in her "near abroad," Russia is reverting to an autarkic and authoritarian nationalism.

Which seems to sit well with the Russian people, as 81 percent support President Putin, more than twice the support President Bush enjoys.

In the Middle East, anti-Americanism is pandemic. So successful were Islamists in exploiting the elections Bush promoted in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Egypt, Bush has ceased to beat the democracy drum.

Latin America has turned sharply left, with Brazil, Argentina and Chile gone socialist, and Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua joining Hugo Chavez and Fidel in the radical-populist camp. Peru and Mexico barely escaped being converted to "Bolivarism."

South Korea, fearful of offending the North, has vetoed any tough U.S. policy. Anti-American demonstrations are common there. But why are the North's nukes our problem, 7,000 miles away? Why are U.S. soldiers still on the DMZ, 53 years after the Korean War?

Andrew Roberts, the pro-American Tory historian, says he has never seen such anti-Americanism as in Britain today. Old Europe is reveling in our misfortunes. The French are pulling out of Afghanistan. The Germans want their troops kept out of the fighting. Yet, U.S. elites are pushing to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, which would require us to send our 82nd Airborne to defend Tiblisi. Though the U.S. Army, warns Colin Powell, is "almost broken," we are adding to our commitments to go to war against a nuclear-armed Russia.

We are living in a dream world. America may yet be the world's strongest nation, but our dominance is detested, our leadership is no longer wanted and our people are weary of playing Atlas.

Events abroad and disillusionment at home are causing more and more to ask whether what we call the American Empire or Pax Americana is really worth the aggravation, the cost and the ingratitude.

Interventionism has failed us. Americans are groping toward a new foreign policy that puts America first and a trade policy that puts Americans first.

When we began as a nation, the republic was feared and loathed by many of the monarchs of Europe. Yet, under Washington, Adams and Jefferson, we went our separate way, and prospered as no other republic. We don't have to run the world. Divestiture is an option.

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I for one find none of this "funny" fwiw; neither do I for the plans to eliminate our National Borders, increase further immigration (we see how well that's going already, so let's make it worse):rolleyes:

Several BILLION people want us ALL dead, wiped out, nothing I can see is funny about that (over 1.4 billion in Islam alone, coupled with Russia and China's majority would love nothing more btw)....

At the same time we are trying to force Israel to "play nice" with her neighbors who likewise wish her to no longer exist, not only as a Nation but want them totally destroyed.......

With all the current situations taken together, does anyone see just how easily WWIII can erupt??

And remember (again) while Bill Clinton was "downsizing" OUR military (especially our Navy) Both Russia and China were building thier own up at alarming rates.......whether coincidence or part of some world conspiracy won't much matter when we're forced to fight them now will it??:eek:

Does it make any sense to anyone that the US would build up Russia, China etc.etc. (with HUGE trade deficits no less), yet WE get no respect at all, in fact they intend to displace/replace us in the world.....

Again I don't find any humor at all in any of this, so long as I can be a source of entertainment for a few though, I at least have that ;)

aceoky

01-06-2007, 11:27 AM

http://wndbookservice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c6926

Will the U.S. go to war with China? Yes, say Ed Timperlake and Jed Babbin. Timperlake (a veteran defense analyst) and Babbin (former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense) show in their new book Showdown: Why China Wants War with the United States that the Chinese want that war, and think they can win it -- and will keep pushing the United States until it begins. It's shaping up to be a huge struggle for democracy and freedom: between America's commitment to defend Taiwan at any cost and China's increasingly bellicose attempts to expand its commercial and military reach at American expense, war between the U.S. and China is now virtually inevitable. But in Showdown, Babbin and Timperlake offer indispensable strategies and tactics for how the U.S. can and must respond to the Chinese military threat.

Babbin (author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old Europe Are Worse Than You Think)
and Timperlake (co-author of the New York Times bestselling Year of the Rat and Red Dragon Rising) here bring you the very latest developments in China's quest to become a superpower.
They explain the combination of alliances and global tinderboxes that could turn China's quest for superpower status into nothing less than World War III. They detail China's aggressive military buildup, revealing how it has been even more rapid than that of Nazi Germany before World War II. They also expose China's military and commercial maneuvering to outflank the United States -- much as the Soviet Union tried to do at the height of the Cold War.
But Babbin and Timperlake, both of whom are military veterans, do much more than just offer expert analysis. In a dramatic style worthy of Tom Clancy, they take you into the field with Navy SEALs and Air Force bomber pilots, invite you inside the war councils at the White House and the Pentagon, and peer within China's own Politburo in an exciting -- and all too likely -- series of war scenarios stretching from a Chinese invasion of Taiwan in 2008 to its extension of total control over the Pacific region within a few years. This is by no means an exercise in fiction: these disturbing, gripping scenarios are based on the latest and most reliable intelligence -- and they make clear that China is an immense and immediate threat to America's national security.

If we don't stop China now, the coming war could engulf the entire world (particularly since the Chinese post-Communist regime is happy to make common cause with the forces of the worldwide Islamic jihad). Provocative, thrilling, exhaustively documented and sobering, Showdown is a wake-up call for our elected officials -- and for everyone who loves America.

Details of the run-up to war with China:

How China is already working to increase the number of America's enemies and decrease the number of America's friends

The growing social problem in China that could weaken the regime's grip on power -- or could lead straight to World War III

The unholy alliance between Communist China and the warriors of the global Islamic jihad -- and how it could result in a war with the United States over Middle Eastern oil

A little-noted front of the global conflict between China and the United States: Latin America (especially oil-rich Venezuela)

Why a Chinese attack on Taiwan would spark a conflagration in the Pacific larger than anything since World War II

How the Communist Chinese have carefully gauged how to liberalize the Chinese economy while maintaining Communist control of the government

An anti-Communist revolution in China? Why this is extremely unlikely, even though the internal threat to the Beijing regime is substantial

Cyber-warfare: its many forms, and why Japan and the United States are so vulnerable to cyber attacks from China

How China spends billions a year on the most modern aircraft, missiles, submarines, and electronics that it can obtain -- and steals what it can't buy, through its enormous espionage campaign against the United States

A second Korean War? Why it's likely -- only this time, the madmen in North Korea have nukes

Disquieting similarities between the rhetoric of the Chinese regime today and that of the Japanese in the run-up to World War II

nwest

01-06-2007, 12:09 PM

aceoky

01-06-2007, 12:31 PM

http://www.augustreview.com/

(Excerpts only)

.....creating a North American Union that will combine Canada, Mexico and the U.S. into a superstate called the North American Union. There is no legislation or Congressional oversight, much less public support, for this massive restructuring of the U.S.

How to understand Globalization

Follow the money, follow the power
Discern illusion from reality, especially with media outlets
Listen to experts who offer a meaningful critique
Study & verify sources and footnotes
Apply liberal doses of common sense

What is Globalization? It is the collective effect of purposeful and amoral manipulation that seeks to centralize economic, political, technological and societal forces in order to accrue maximum profit and political power to global banks, global corporations and the elitists who run them.

"Free Trade" is the central mantra. Globalization is set against national sovereignty, closed borders, trade tarrifs and anything that would restrict its goals and methods used to achieve them.

Globalization promotes regional and global government, a one-world economic system of trade and a form of fascism where global corporations and their elite control the policies and directives of individual governments.

__________________________________________________ __________

Just perhaps it's not "so funny" after all??:rolleyes:

aceoky

01-06-2007, 12:49 PM

And because of what I was falsely accused of doing....Here is an explanation of things to come based upon the Holy Bible, pay attention to these parts please...

"no prophecy... is of any private interpretation" 2 Peter 1:20.

Therefore, we encourage you to do as the Bible Bereans (see Acts 17:10, 11) and bring every teaching to the test of the Scripture. As, whoever will prayerfully study the Bible, desiring to know the truth, that he may obey it, will understand the Scriptures.
"If any man will do His will, he shall know...whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. "John 7:17.

4. What is the purpose of the Bible prophecies?

The purpose of prophecy is to warn us about future crises. For example, God warned Noah of the coming flood, Abraham and Lot of the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and He told Moses of the plagues of Egypt. They all had to obey the warning in faith. These events were recorded to teach us that whatever God foretold happened exactly as He said. Hence, we cannot afford to ignore any of His yet to be fulfilled prophecies as they serve as warnings that, if we obey, will protect us from crises.

Therefore, Bible prophecies serve a double purpose - to impress on our minds the existence of God who is in control of all events and, to warn us of a grave situation.

"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus" .

Revelation 14: 9-12

This fearful warning describes two groups of people. The first group is warned against worshipping the beast and his image, which leads them to receive the mark of the beast; while the second group is viewed positively as keeping the commandments of God. Furthermore, the description of the second coming of Christ directly follows this warning. Therefore, we know that this is the last warning given before the second coming of Christ.

aceoky

01-06-2007, 01:05 PM

""The great over-riding feature of the entire system of the Anti-Christ -- the New World Order -- is blatant deceit.

In fact, New World Order writers boast of their planned deceptions, because they arrogantly believe the great majority of the world's population is too stupid and lazy to know what is best for them.
Only the New World Order Planners know what is best for the world, and they have determined that they can achieve their goals only by deliberate deception of the poor masses." Bill Cooper, " Behold A Pale Horse" p.49 (only one of many books where this IS stated as the way to the New World Order btw)

aceoky

01-06-2007, 02:51 PM

Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)

(Excerpt)

These are "THEIR" words, not mine. I am simply reporting these facts to you. If this is not a secret organization, then why would they be so emphatic, and state in 20 different ways that non-attribution (or you better not tell) was so important, in their very own annual report?
In addition, if you are proud of what you say, and do, then you don’t care whether it becomes public knowledge, or not. The other side of this coin is: if you are doing something illegal, immoral, unethical, unpopular, and/or unconstitutional, you will do whatever is necessary to see that it is kept secret.

http://www.4rie.com/(Secret Society link on the left)

aceoky

01-06-2007, 03:21 PM

Perhaps those who read these links about the CFR and the TC will realize why I stated to not trust anything they say, and beware of their propagandas.....

http://www.4rie.com/ (Secret Society link on the left)

(Excerpts)

The stated goals of the Trilateral Commission are: "Close Trilateral cooperation in keeping the peace, in managing the world economy, in fostering economic redevelopment, and alleviating world poverty will improve the chances of a smooth, and peaceful evolution of the global system."

The Shadows of Power, by James Perloff, Copyright 1988, pages 154-156, states:
"How did the TC begin? ‘The Trilateral Commission,’ wrote Christopher Lydon in the July 1977 Atlantic, ‘was David Rockefeller’s brainchild.’ George Franklin, North American secretary of the Trilateral Commission, stated that it ‘was entirely David Rockefeller’s idea originally.’ Helping the CFR chairman develop the concept was Zbigniew Brzezinski, who laid the first stone in Foreign Affairs in 1970:

MUCH MORE there btw for anyone who is interested in seeing what and who is really running things "in secret" to our own demise...

‘A new, and bolder approach is needed - creation of a community of the developed nations which can effectively address itself to the larger concerns confronting mankind. In addition to the United States, and Western Europe, Japan ought to be included ... A council representing the United States, Western Europe, and Japan, with regular meetings of the heads of governments as well as some small standing machinery, would be a good start.’
That same year, Brzezinski elaborated these thoughts in his book Between Two Ages. It shows Brzezinski to be a classic CFR man - a globalist more than lenient toward Communism. He declared that ‘National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept’, and that ‘Marxism represents a further vital, and creative stage in the maturing of man’s universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man, and a victory of reason over belief...’

The Trilateral Commission was formally established in 1973, and consisted of leaders in business, banking, government, and mass media from North America, Western Europe, and Japan. David Rockefeller was founding chairman, and Brzezinski founding director of the North American branch, most of whose members were also in the CFR.

Here is the "problem" (for them) in trying to keep their "secret societies"(and goals, as well as what they've done already) secret forever....

"So do not be afraid of them.
There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed,
or hidden that will not be made known.

What I tell you in the dark,
speak in the daylight;
what is whispered in your ear,
proclaim from the roofs." St. Matthew, 10-26 & 27

aceoky

01-07-2007, 10:56 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2771492&page=1

WASHINGTON, Jan. 4, 2007 — North Korea appears to have made preparations for another nuclear test, according to U.S. defense officials.

In October, the U.N. Security Council unanimously passed a resolution that imposed harsh sanctions against North Korea just six days after Kim Jong Il's regime declared that it conducted an underground nuclear test. The sanctions were designed to coerce North Korea into giving up its nuclear program.

Resolution 1718 specifically called for North Korea to abandon its nuclear weapons completely and irreversibly, as well as to put an end to its biological and chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction, and ballistic missile programs.

The United States and Japan had pushed for stronger sanctions but eventually watered down the resolution to appease China and Russia, which feared that tougher sanctions might only make the situation worse.

The resolution also ruled out the possibility of military intervention — a point critical to Russia and China, whose opposition to the initial drafts delayed the vote.
In response to these sanctions, North Korean Premier Yon Hyong Muk told the Security Council that the country needed nuclear weapons to protect itself from the danger of war with the United States, and that the Bush administration has responded to North Korea's "patient and sincere" efforts with sanctions and blockades. He said North Korea saw continued pressure from the United States as a declaration of war.

North Korean Gen. Ri Chan Bok told ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer that "the U.S. wants us to kneel down before them. We cannot agree with them. If this tension continues war cannot be avoided."

In response, White House press secretary Tony Snow made it clear that it is not uncommon for the North Koreans to use strong rhetoric.

"On the other hand, let me make clear to the people of North Korea and the entire world, not only do we not want North Korea to 'kneel down,' what we're trying to do is offer them a better deal — better economy, more security, better relations with their neighbors, integration into the global community as opposed to isolation," Snow said

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I'm reminded how those so wanting the NWO said all they needed was "the right crisis" to spark enough fear then all the Nations would gladly conform to the NWO........I'd imagine N Korea sending Nukes to the US causing serious death and destruction would cause a "panic" of that magnitude?? I noticed they mentioned "intergration into the global community" not too surprised; followed with the threat of "isolation" if they don't "play along"......:eek:

trust me

01-07-2007, 11:34 AM

Ace,
Is there something you find upsetting about the term "global community"?

Do you realize that of the 140 posts on this thread, 57 of them are yours?

aceoky

01-07-2007, 11:46 AM

What I find upsetting about " a Global Community" is the fact in order for the US to be "intergrated" WE lose ALL of our freedoms, the US Constition our National Borders etc.etc.(to only name a few things WE lose by "joining") Those in real power wanting to replace our freedoms (and of our children) with a FACIST government and making slaves of us all..... I'd say that's upsetting Yes.

BTW "Global Comminity" is simply another way of saying NWO, they changed it after realizing NWO was making too many upset and check on it, only to find out things about the planned new Facist Government...

This whole idea of "uniting" with your enemies will somehow make them your freinds, I'm not buying into at all.They want us all destroyed now, I doubt that's going to change so easily.

I hadn't counted , but thanks for doing so, I do believe they are all "on topic" and could have been made in fewer (but much longer) posts (they are long enough) there is a great deal of information to "sift" through, for everyone to make up their own minds on whether this is real or just another "conspiracy theory". BTW how many are links (and the information I found on all of this?) :)

I've also noticed there is nothing posted to prove none of this IS real, (or cast any serious doubt on it), however there certainly is plenty to make some of us, take a "closer look" at what IS going on right in front of us (and behind our backs also).

How many of my posts show to everyone the dismantling of our National borders, loss of National Soverignty, eroding of our Constitional Rights, which of these is not of the importance to be posted?

Not trying to be a "sa" , just confused?? :)

I certainly can't make anyone read this, but judging by the PM I have gotten some are not only reading this but appreciate my taking the time to find and post this information. And there are a couple posts (in public) asking for more of it???

Speaking of which there were quite a few getting involved in this discussion (and it was all civil as well) until some decided to "join in" and it seems to only ridicule and "scoff" at other's opinions, thoughts and beliefs...I would have to imagine there may have been a much better and interesting discussion going on, had many not seen they'd only be made fun of and insulted IF they bother to express their opinions,thoughts, beliefs and ideas on this subject??

Also there have been several "new developements" (such as my last post) since the New Year, that many may not know about, I can't really help when events take place, but I felt many just might want to know about them.

And as often as I was personly attacked, had false accusations made against me, even reffered to as an "escaped mental patient", I refrained from all of that.....fwiw (though some of that post count is to prove what was true) :)

While I didn't start this thread the original poster asked for thoughts and opinions, and I gave some relevent links to support those opinions...

Sorry if that's offending anyone.

maxcam

01-07-2007, 08:28 PM

Ace,
Is there something you find upsetting about the term "global community"?

Do you realize that of the 140 posts on this thread, 57 of them are yours?

With all due respect Trust me, is this the first time you have ever noticed this trend? :rolleyes:

gwhilikerz

01-07-2007, 09:23 PM

With all due respect Trust me, is this the first time you have ever noticed this trend? :rolleyes:
Are we about to pass an ordinance on how many times a poster can post on a subject? What difference does it make how many times somebody posts on a thread? Ace was presenting info taken from other sources and that takes more posts than usual.

grouseguy

01-08-2007, 08:57 AM

With all due respect Trust me, is this the first time you have ever noticed this trend? :rolleyes:

Seems that when Ace enters a debate then everyone else leaves and he winds up arguing with himself, but he can't even convince himself that he's right, so the debate goes on and on and on and on and on....;) :p :D :confused:

Multidigits

01-08-2007, 09:12 AM

Seems that when Ace enters a debate then everyone else leaves and he winds up arguing with himself, but he can't even convince himself that he's right, so the debate goes on and on and on and on and on....;) :p :D :confused:

Could be that he is right and nobody can counter what he says except with personal attacks, such as referring to him as a fruit cake. We all might be fruit cakes according to some of the fruit cake experts on here? I'll give Ace credit, he has his facts in order, deal with the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it, and ace holds his own against anyone on this forum.

maxcam

01-08-2007, 09:32 AM

grouseguy

01-08-2007, 09:40 AM

... deal with the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it...

Funny stuff, considering the source...;)

Seriously, I thought we had an agreement...I don't respond to your posts and vice versa... Apparently you just can't help yourself, and insist on alienating everyone that you encounter...time to reactivate the "ignore" button, as I simply have no interest in interacting with you on any level.

aceoky

01-08-2007, 10:33 AM

Seems that when Ace enters a debate then everyone else leaves and he winds up arguing with himself, but he can't even convince himself that he's right, so the debate goes on and on and on and on and on....;) :p :D :confused:

What debate? IF there is any "debate" here, I have most certainly missed the whole thing.
As anyone can very easily see, I've posted Several links to support the "theory" (conspiracy if you wish) of what is planned; How some are taking away our freedoms and rights daily (and how some had to sue to get the truth of that etc.etc.etc.)The dismantling of our National Borders as we are only now seeing, along with some other real world events that are impossible to dispute ( I don't make it a habit of posting "drivel" as most know, I'm known for Much researching PRIOR to posting fwiw) ...I have not been involved (nor do I intend to) in any arguments either way.

I intended to (and did) post up some relevelent posts on the subject at hand, no more and no less, in the hopes to see what was "out there to refute that" (not much seems like, so far nothing has been posted to do so)....

I was interested in our discussing this in a civil manner, but it's obvious that is not likely to happen. And since I am not trying to convince myself " I'm right", that isn't even any part of this. .

Also "everyone else" didn't "leave" before the false accusations, insults, personal attacks and downright name calling as well as the "spin" twisting and "totally changing the wording and intent of my posts " (toward me (mostly) and Gwhillerkerz as well btw) started, pretty hard for anyone to want to get involved in the discussion (never was a debate , at least not at this point btw), when they know from what has occured how they'll likely be treated????

And here is yet another example of one's opinion of me, based upon nothing in this thread at all.......:mad: Is it such a mystery why some aren't participating in this discussion considering the blatent attacks, insults, twisting of words etc. that has been allowed to take place? I don't think so at all.

The "funny" thing is, I don't care in the least, I find humor that rather than actually take the time to try to find some substantial facts to cast doubt on what has been posted, it's "easier" to jump onto me, insult, attack, and call me names, suggest I'm an escaped mental patient, and now I'm "having an arguement with myself", none of which is supported anywhere in this thread at all...

I have very little doubt, that anyone reading this can see what is the truth, and who are trying to follow the forum rules and who are openly breaking them as well.

Thank you Multi, and G for speaking out, I appreciate it very much indeed!

I can only suspect they're "fishing" for a "fight" so as to get this thread locked, I can't however understand why they'd think any of this is not important enough for serious discussion, I guess though when we are "stuck" with all of this and it's "too late" to be forewarned and forearmed, everyone can look back on this thread in a whole new light, and remember who those people were who did their best to mock this, as well as all of the other things that have taken place...

01-08-2007, 10:47 AM

Apparently you just can't help yourself, and insist on alienating everyone that you encounter...
Grouse that statment would apply more to yourself than Multi.

aceoky

01-08-2007, 10:50 AM

Could be that he is right and nobody can counter what he says except with personal attacks, such as referring to him as a fruit cake. We all might be fruit cakes according to some of the fruit cake experts on here? I'll give Ace credit, he has his facts in order, deal with the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it, and ace holds his own against anyone on this forum.

Could be, but I doubt it !

OK "fair enough", exactly what do you have to support your doubt with, I'm interested in seeing it.... IF you have anything to dispute what I've shown that IS going on right now (I've shown the proof with links, so please follow that example, thank you in advance)...

The original poster's link was "lacking" in the source, and the fact there was only that one, I expounded on that for the sake of an honest (and civil) discussion (no offense meant to the original poster, only trying to help) :)

So please maxcam, show us all where I'm so incorrect, where those UN treaties are not signed, where our borders are not already set to "disapear" as a reality, where the VAST migration of more immigrants is not planned , etc.etc.etc.
Maybe also you can show us the "NAFTA superhighway" also is not really being built?? Maybe , just maybe while Clinton was "downsizing' OUR military, Russia and China weren't building thier own up at alarming rates, and just maybe Islam doesn't want us ALL dead (and just maybe Russia and China aren't openly vowing support for Islam)??? So let's see some proof of your doubts on my being correct, shall we? Should be interesting and add greatly to this civil discussion.

I for one will be awaiting on this evidence with an open mind.

Folks, call me what you wish, that alone changes nothing, these are real happenings that DO affect us all,(and our children and their children) and it looks like it's only the beginning of them tearing our once great Nation totally apart (so we can "fit" into the "Global Community" better......most everyone can see we won't "fit" with OUR freedoms Rights, and the US Constition etc.in place????), funny thing is, I've found much more about what is going on, but rather than post it and "argue with myself", ........
I guess I'll TRY to keep it from everyone since no one cares, thinks it's actually possible or wants to see it......:eek:

aceoky

01-08-2007, 11:00 AM

With all due respect Trust me, is this the first time you have ever noticed this trend? :rolleyes:

Some free advice , max, and worth every single penny of it, IF I were you, I'd be very careful with such posts.....

I would very much welcome since both of us coming here..... having my posts compared to your posts and who's facts, predictions etc. were the most accurate! :) (along with truth, what we each supported or didn't, etc.etc.) Which also applies equally to those who are also insulting me, etc.

While it's not my intent to have to defend myself (or my posts , credibilty, or what I actually have stated as opposed to the "spin" some TRY to put upon it) I'm very well capable of doing so, though I'm trying very hard to follow the rules and NOT have to do so.....

You know what, let's do that.......let's EACH go on each of our own proven "track records" here,what we supported (and how/with what tactics etc.) what we each predicted, etc.etc. .... and then see who looks more like a "fruit cake" shall we? :D :D
(it's a great thing that most of the threads haven't been deleted, and are easily found.... a few "very telling ones" come to mind instantly fwiw) :D

gwhilikerz

01-08-2007, 11:11 AM

What's the problem? If you don't like the stuff Ace posts then don't read it. If you disagree with his posts then tell him where he is wrong. If you think it is a bunch of hooey then go to another thread, no one compells you to read this one. Seems like Ace is one of the few that actually tries to find answers to questions, problems, etc. and posts his findings for all to read or ignore. Of course he has enemies that just have to squawk anytime he posts. they come with the territory.

aceoky

01-08-2007, 11:23 AM

time to reactivate the "ignore" button

I hope you have more success with that than I have, even after making it known it seems, that I'm still being attacked, insulted and called names etc. "behind my back" (knowing I don't see them, it continues anyway) :rolleyes: .

On a "postive note", when you don't see them, you can't be "baited" into a discussion that leads to being "banned" :)

On the other hand, though, IF a "good point" (on any other issue) IS ever made, you get to miss those as well.....so I prefer to not place anyone on "ignore" unless actually forced to do so by constant abuse,insults, name calling and attacks etc. When that continues, however, for everyone's sake, it's best to just use that feature imho

Swampthing

01-08-2007, 11:27 AM

THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
Residents of planned union
to be 'North Americanists'
Arizona State University teaches
how continent to be integrated

Posted: January 5, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Arizona State University (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53633#) is teaching that the U.S., Mexico and Canada need to be integrated into a unified superstate, where U.S. citizens of the future will be known as "North Americanists," according to the taxpayer-funded "Building North America" program.
The program openly advocates for the integration of economic issues (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.asu.edu/clas/nacts/bna/) across the continent, and in many places goes further – such as the call for a common North American currency.
One teaching module made available online for professors to integrate into their teachings was written by George Haynal, senior fellow at the Norman Patterson School of International Affairs at Carleton University, and implied a joint military is required. Since the security of the continent "is a joint need; it should be supplied as a common enterprise."

"Given the nature of the threats against our security in the current environment, the first task is to reinvent 'borders.' We must exercise the responsibility for protecting our society against external threats where we can do so most effectively, not where infrastructures happens to be in place," he added. "Multilateral cooperation is going to be essential among governments."
"It is clear, to me at least, that we must … move beyond NAFTA and do so with a purposeful determination," he wrote.
Another teaching paper advocates the adoption of a unified North American currency, the "amero," (http://www.asu.edu/clas/nacts/bna/teaching/BlankCoiteux.doc) modeled after the euro currency of the European Union.
The programming the university is providing for help in teaching the new North American focus is just the latest evidence of the mounting campaign for a de facto North American Union. Although most in the establishment press are not covering the controversy, it has earned the opposition of a number of high-level voices including congressmen like Tom Tancredo, Virgil Goode and Ron Paul, and newsmen like CNN's Lou Dobbs who has described the U.S. government's (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53633#) actions in this effort as "Orwellian."
Paul, a maverick Republican from Texas, has denounced such integration plans and warns that most members of Congress aren't aware of the situation, and that he is opposing any transnational "superhighway" projects such as the "Trans-Texas Corridor" project in his home state.

Why? The ultimate goal, he said, is not simply a superhighway, "but an integrated North American Union – complete with a currency, a cross-national bureaucracy and virtually borderless travel within the union. Like the European Union, a North American Union would represent another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty altogether."
Rep. Goode, R-Va., already has introduced a resolution (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.CON.RES.487:) expressing the sense of Congress that the U.S. should not engage in further NAFTA advances.
But progress already is significant down the road to a joint government, evidenced by confirmation that the U.S. government is planning to provide full Social Security benefits to Mexicans (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53613) as well as a report by the powerful Council on Foreign Relations, considered by many to be something of a "shadow government," that calls for the transfer of massive amounts of wealth from the U.S. to Mexico and the setup of a "security perimeter" around North America.
A Canadian website set up by those who fear the loss of their Canadian national sovereignty (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.vivelecanada.ca/staticpages/index.php/20060830133702539) already has established a timeline for the program.
The Arizona State contribution to the move towards a one-government continent was launched because of "the notion that economic integration in the NAFTA Triad (Canada-U.S.-Mexico) was advancing despite the lack of press and public attention it received …" and a new website would allow "those of us in the Triad" to link up with the growing body of research about "how businesses, governments, and organizations were shaping, and adapting to, the evolution of a shared economic space."
"We are now bringing together the fruits of this research endeavor in a new, updated and redesigned 'Building North America' website…" the group said. "We are betting on the continued existence of scholars and policy practitioners who would benefit from a site which would consolidate the research and data we are all generating, and thereby build community among us."
A telephone number for the managers of the site was unavailable, and a WND e-mail to the site did not generate a response.
But the goal is clear: "The links, documents, and other materials on this site have been selected, organized, and in some cases designed to advance teaching and research on North American regional integration. … At the same time the site also aims to benefit the broader community of North Americanists, within the academy and beyond, by putting at our collective fingertips – or mouse-reach – the kinds of current and historical material that will benefit research into, and understanding of, North American integration – past, present and future."
The site cross-references and links to organizations and university centers such as the Center for North American Studies (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.american.edu/ia/cnas) at American University in Washington, D.C., institutional home for Robert Pastor.
Pastor has been described as a leading intellectual force in the move to create an EU-style North American Community, and recently told WND he believes a new 9/11 crisis could be the catalyst to merge the U.S., Mexico and Canada.
Pastor said that in such a case the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.spp.gov/), or SPP – launched in 2005 by the heads of the three countries at a summit in Waco, Texas – could be developed into a continental union, complete with a new currency, the amero, that would replace the U.S. dollar.

the rest here...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53633

Multidigits

01-08-2007, 11:45 AM

Funny stuff, considering the source...;)

Seriously, I thought we had an agreement...I don't respond to your posts and vice versa... Apparently you just can't help yourself, and insist on alienating everyone that you encounter...time to reactivate the "ignore" button, as I simply have no interest in interacting with you on any level.

Reactivate what ever, Mark. If you guys want to attack a poster on a personal basis, then you should expect some of it back.

I don't give a flip about the world order or what ever it is. I'm pretty content with my place in it at this time. If that changes, then we'll worry about it when it happens. Until then, Ace can post what he wants. If you don't like it, don't reply and the thread goes away in a few days.

aceoky

01-08-2007, 12:10 PM

"Funny" thing is, IF I were the one that started the thread OR the only one posting about it, they might (just might) have some point, I'm not , thus they don't have one...

Why some would insult posters (members) posting what they believe, OR even their own opinions of the World events around them makes no sense, just as it being tolerated by any of us doesn't either.

You've got to admit, that though some are "trying" to attack me personally, in fact they are attacking some of the former military intelligence community, and other former ranking members of "high places" in Government among many other places.. who are trying to inform us, of what Is going on!
Since many of us have posted what THEY are saying, rather than find something to prove otherwise, WE get insulted, attacked and called names, our "mental condition" is challenged in public, and all for posting what those in a position to KNOW have claimed!

It certainly makes NO good sense to try to insult and attack posts made providing links for all to read and make up thier own minds on these subjects?? It's hard to dispute (or call them my own thoughts for certain) when it's obvious those links are real, and do exist and say what they say....:eek:

Thanks again Swampthing for taking the time to post this, it obviously takes great courage to share this , knowing some out here attack us, make fun of us, call us names, etc.etc.
I comend you for your courage and that you care enough to share the facts with those of us, who can examine the facts with an open mind, and try to decide, what IS "real" , and perhaps find some ways to change what can be changed (what it already isn't too late to change......some of this would be near impossible (if not) to change....it's already a "done deal").

I've said it before, I'll repeat it, MOST everyone here, I consider a true friend, and to not share what I've found with them , is beyond my ability to do so, I'm not trying to "convince" anyone of anything (much less myself), only to share this information, for each to decide on their own what it means to them (if anything)....

Just maybe their adding OVER 60% (of the current US Population ) in NEW immigrants is "no big deal", but again, I ask, where will these people live?? Will there be yet another "imminent domain" thing taking OUR land from Us for them to live on? Where are they supposed to work? WHY take OUR Social Security benefits and GIVE them away to immigrants ( posted fwiw).....????

Then there are the crime figures posted to be concerned about?? I'd suppose those issues ARE important to ALL of us, regardless of our political postions, party affiliation, and religions......

Real issues that merit real, civil discussion on IMHO......but that is ONLY my humble opinion....

A couple "interesting quotes" from Swampthing's (continued here) link....

The Arizona State contribution to the move towards a one-government continent was launched because of "the notion that economic integration in the NAFTA Triad (Canada-U.S.-Mexico) was advancing despite the lack of press and public attention it received …"

Subtitled "Mapping the New North American Reality," that paper argues that provinces in Canada and states in the United States and Mexico are quite efficiently setting up their own integrated North America with or without their "federal" governments' participation.

It even warns against renegade states like South Dakota, which has undermined "treaties and agreements signed by national governments" with its requirements for inspections of Canadian cattle, hogs and wheat

FWIW

aceoky

01-08-2007, 01:44 PM

1,825 "views",
I'd have to guess some people must be reading this and making up their own minds on what is "what"? :)

Important (I think) from Swampthing's post above......

"Pastor has been described as a leading intellectual force in the move to create an EU-style North American Community, and recently told WND he believes a new 9/11 crisis could be the catalyst to merge the U.S., Mexico and Canada. "

Umm just which side is he on , sounds like he's "HOPING" for "another 9/11 crisis" to further his goals/agendas
??

aceoky

01-08-2007, 02:21 PM

aceoky

01-08-2007, 02:55 PM

Aww I was just getting interested come on guys more.

There are a few guys at wotrk who have bneen buzing about this. I thought they were crazy, well one of them is, bit I guess I need to doa little more reading instead of playing video games at night.

My biggest question is what you guys think we can do to help ourselves?

I guess being informed would have to be the "first step", since you can't react to or make any decisions about what you're not aware of (and it also seems much is being done not only behind our backs but behind the backs of the House and Senate):eek:

Perhaps some of what has been posted here will help in that area?

I for one am Very concerned about the plans to eliminate our National Borders, increase immigration, allowing immigrants to "cash in " on our Social Security system (it being in trouble now, and predictions are by 2017 it will be paying out more than it's taking in without doing the above).....

It's also obvious that we are not making any of this up, it's out there, in abundance, for all to see and check on......AND it affects every US citizen in "big ways"....I'd hope the more people who become aware of it,the better our chances of changing what we don't agree with might be.....

Swampthing

01-08-2007, 03:36 PM

I'm thick skinned.

Swampthing

01-08-2007, 03:43 PM

Arnold knows the plan...from his speech yesterday.

And yet here in this nation-state of California , people from all over the world live in harmony. I call California a nation-state because of the diversity of our people, the power of our economy and the reach of our dream. Every race, every culture, every religion has been drawn to California . The commerce and trade of the nations of the earth pass through our ports. The world knows our name. We are a good and global commonwealth. Yes, we have problems that must be solved. But, it remains true . . . what a prosperous, peaceful, golden state in which we live and work and raise our families. We should never forget the joys and blessings of being Californians.

The California historian Kevin Starr says that we must think of ourselves as belonging not just to the Republican Party or the Democratic Party . . . but to the Party of California . . . because California is a collective ideal worth preserving. The Party of California is beyond ideology and one to which all of us belong.

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/01/governor_schwar_3.html

aceoky

01-08-2007, 04:52 PM

I'm thick skinned.

That will likely come in very handy. :)

I've become quite used to being "reamed" by a select few on here who can never seem to find the time to search for relevent links to try to disprove mine, so they instead think they're "doing something great" and making me "look bad" somehow by the name calling, personal attacks, and insults, questioning my credibilty etc. I really didn't expect that to be "passed onto" anyone new here though, simply because I contributed to the thread. I apologize to you all for that ....

Still I for one appreciate your taking the time to contribute your posts.

aceoky

01-08-2007, 10:48 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/ap_on_go_co/congress_rdp

Swampthing

01-09-2007, 12:08 PM

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his
thoughts are particularly poignant. In 2005 there was an immigration
overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of
America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the
name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia,"
explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the
entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until
it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a
stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he
described eight methods for the destruction of the United States . He said,
"If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then
let's destroy America . It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has
survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great
civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that
all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America , turn
America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History
shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of
two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an
individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be
bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The
histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are
histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia,
and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press
for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.
Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with
Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans".

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and
encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article
of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural
differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic
dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the
majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much
effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin
Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of
our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved
not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated
ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only
tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would
encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would
replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is
important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in
America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing
their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and
antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a
50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and
business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic
identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all
minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the
majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure
on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and
promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would
stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are
mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing
each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most
historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation
together.

Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the
same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they
worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games. A
common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not
strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical
conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus
Unum" -- From many, one." In that historical reality, if we put the
emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America
as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk
about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar
to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed
thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate.

Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established
multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of
'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration
laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for
America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant
symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them .."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound
silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson
Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to
destroy America. If you feel America. deserves to be destroyed, don't read
that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud
above every attendee at the conference.
Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was
proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United
States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping
the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even
barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we
celebrate 'diversity.'
American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a
Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date,
ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George
Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the
Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and
"Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply
in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster
stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and
destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream.
__________________

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp

nwest

01-09-2007, 01:11 PM

Good reading guys Keep it coming.

Swampthing

01-09-2007, 03:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCdRX14K-gA

aceoky

01-10-2007, 04:22 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6245851.stm

(Excerpts)

Fifth, in Vietnam too the president consulted an outside group - they were called the Wise Men and, like the Iraq Study group, they too urged a policy designed to lead to withdrawal

Johnson worried that the Wise Men - a group of grandees who had shaped American policy after the Second World War and from whom Johnson sought advice on Vietnam - "had been treated to a diet of pessimistic press reports on Vietnam".

aceoky

01-11-2007, 11:37 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070111/ap_on_hi_te/spy_coins_8.

(Excerpts)

By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jan 10, 11:46 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Can the coins jingling in your pocket trace your movements?

"What's in the report is true," said Martha Deutscher, a spokeswoman for the security service. "This is indeed a sanitized version, which leaves a lot of questions."

"Whoever did this obviously has access to some pretty advanced technology."

The government's 29-page report was filled with other espionage warnings. It described unrelated hacker attacks, eavesdropping with miniature pen recorders and the case of a female foreign spy who seduced her American boyfriend to steal his computer passwords.

In another case, a film processing company called the FBI after it developed pictures for a contractor that contained classified images of U.S. satellites and their blueprints. The photo was taken from an adjoining office window.

aceoky

01-12-2007, 08:08 PM

buckfever

01-12-2007, 09:28 PM

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01290.html

Doctor alleges plans underway to "Microchip" Newborns in U.S. and Europe

(Excerpts)

Regarding plans to microchip newborns, Dr. Kilde said the U.S. has been moving in this direction "in secrecy."

Implanted human beings can be followed anywhere.

Their brain functions can be remotely monitored by supercomputers and even altered through the changing of frequencies," wrote Dr. Kilde. "Guinea pigs in secret experiments have included prisoners, soldiers, mental patients,handicapped children, deaf and blind people, homosexuals, single women, the elderly, school children, and any group of people considered "marginal" by the elite experimenters.

The published experiences of prisoners in Utah State Prison, for example, are shocking to the conscience.

Good thing that we have the Finns and Dr. Kilde to expose these kinds of atrocities.

I hesitated responding to this post for fear that it would only prolong the agony of keeping it alive, but I just can't resist.

According to Ace's so-called "authority", Dr. Kilde, there's also been a massive conspiracy to cover up repeated UFO contacts. And did you guys know that the Nazi's landed on the moon in the 1940's and that the Red, White and Blue is already on Mars? Those Gov't guys must be really sneaky to be able to launch a rocket destined for Mars and not have anyone in the world know about it.

Maybe George W's grandfather, Queen Elizabeth and Hitler's Uncle all met up there to discuss their race purification plans. They got the rocket fuel from Saddam's Uncle (which would explain the Iraq connection). Since it was on the moon, that explains why nobody knew about it.

For the love of Peter, man, please stop. I'm begging you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauni-Leena_Luukanen-Kilde

eddiejohn4

01-12-2007, 09:34 PM

And always remember that everything and I mean everything can be traced back too and relates to Kevin Bacon.

gwhilikerz

01-12-2007, 10:09 PM

Good thing that we have the Finns and Dr. Kilde to expose these kinds of atrocities.

I hesitated responding to this post for fear that it would only prolong the agony of keeping it alive, but I just can't resist.

According to Ace's so-called "authority", Dr. Kilde, there's also been a massive conspiracy to cover up repeated UFO contacts. And did you guys know that the Nazi's landed on the moon in the 1940's and that the Red, White and Blue is already on Mars? Those Gov't guys must be really sneaky to be able to launch a rocket destined for Mars and not have anyone in the world know about it.

Maybe George W's grandfather, Queen Elizabeth and Hitler's Uncle all met up there to discuss their race purification plans. They got the rocket fuel from Saddam's Uncle (which would explain the Iraq connection). Since it was on the moon, that explains why nobody knew about it.

For the love of Peter, man, please stop. I'm begging you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauni-Leena_Luukanen-Kilde

I don't always agree with Ace about some things. And I seldom agree with buckfever about anything. But, to steal another poster's by-line. That right there was funny I don't care who you are

aceoky

01-13-2007, 08:28 AM

According to Ace's so-called "authority", Dr. Kilde,

(ignore only works so well )

Once more, that' s not even close to accurate, but that's no big surprise now is it? No matter what I find, or post, it gets turned around to be either MY words(twisted to reflect brand new meanings no less).... (even though I provide links to show who IS saying it), OR now it seems, they become MY "so-called authority"........

I found a link, posted it and some of what it said, please show where I claimed that it was (or wasn't for that matter) anything...(you can't, and anyone who read it knows that fact, I NEVER posted word one of MY own words about that now did I?? so why are You trying to "spin" things against me yet again??)....suddenly you accuse me of stating she is "my expert"......

I agree that IS funny.......

BTW the Kevin Bacon post WAS funny (though I'd used Shaun Penn, or Tom Cruise) :D

I don't know the first thing about the woman, or her credibilty, I found that interesting and on topic, no more no less, I also don't know IF there are Canadian coins fitted with tracking devices either, IF I have ever had one I didn't know about it, but it appears some were actually found........

I guess, though that IS the point, it wouldn't be SO hard to do some of this stuff NOW, and with the ever-advancement of technology, just imagine in ten short years, what could be possible....

I will however always be amazed that some "so called intelligent people" waste their own time, and ours, by seeming to make fun of any of US being able to think for ourselves. I guess WE should all thank them for "helping us to think, weed out the bs from the truth etc. since we can not obvioulsy do so on our own) :rolleyes:

And so you'll finally understand buckfever it WAS Queen Elizabeth I (that would be the first,NOT current Queen..... I'm not even going to bother to tell you when she was Queen, but it wasn't in your lifetime) :) So SHE couldn't have done anything (as you keep claiming, what little of your stuff I must see) with George W.,Saddam.... OR anyone else in this present era.....One hint she was ruling when Sir Francis Bacon was around.... in fact they were known associates......(but thanks "so much" for TRYING to "clear my information and mistakes up") though I don't think you're doing a very good job not even knowing which Queen is being discussed.......but that is a different topic.....fwiw

Now let's just say for the sake of discussion they do intend to implant newborn children as she claims, would you rather be aware of it, OR would you rather not be told to watch out for it???
Especially IF you are expecting one, even a grand child??? Not so funny when it affects YOU (or even possibly might?) well it's not to me at least....

See with people like bf (who btw enjoys a bit too much trying to make me look bad IF he ever succeeds, I can live with it btw) they seem to believe that the government can always be trusted, and NO one would ever do bad things to any of us (bet those in Germany felt the exact same way about Hitler including the Jews, Gyspsies, etc. BEFORE he acted upon them?? I'd guess they felt differnetly after the facts became so much more clear, but alas, NO point in being concerned prior to anything ??????)
I guess that he thinks I'm (and maybe some more here) are "fruitcakes", while we all know Everything he says and has said has been "spot on" (IF you believe that, PM me for some land for sale, I don't even own it, but it won't matter) ;) "Glass houses" there bf ........

So while they are scoffing at any of this, just remember that when YOUR Social Security benefits are given away to immigrants based upon thier work in other Countries........When the US Canada and Mexico are all merged into one union,(and united by one major highway already planned at the very least)... and the US Constition no longer matters or even exist except as an historical document........we shall all see how very funny that is......AND there is enough evidence on those right here to warrent some REAL discussions on......but rather than do that, let's scoff at everything, bury our heads in the sand, and hope nothing bad ever happens even though it is and RIGHT NOW to all of us.....

The Social Security plans are detailed right here (notice NO one has been able to refute those , as they are obvious bills in the US Legislature, also the UN treaties ARE signed and very real) Not to mention the meetings between the US, Canada, and Mexico leaderships working on uniting into ONE nation, rather than three.......however I digress, since the main point seems to make me look like an idiot, rather than to examine each of these things, and discuss them as grown people........whatever.

Some would like everyone to believe I made all that up, however the Bills and the UN Treaties are right there to be read(in this very thread)........for anyone who wishes to do so....

Do I know that they ARE implanting anyone? NO.........do I see the real possibilties of it being done now or in the future, yes, I know they've been doing the same thing to pets for some years now, as most of us do right here,(all pets on Military bases MUST have a chip so to keep up with where they are and have been.....FACT) it's Not such a "big step" to move from pets to people, especially for those who intend to make slaves out of all of us under their Facist government.......oh wait those have never existed???

I guess, I will have to check and see what history has to say about that, anyone remember the name Fidel Castro?? ;) (to name ONLY ONE)

Can I prove 100% everything that's been posted here by all? NO,
Does that make it any less worthy of discussion?
I don't think that it does, and MUCH of what has been posted here anyone can easily verify as 100% fact!

A few things that I DO know

It takes more courage to show people what is being said by "experts"(what is being done, planned etc.) than it does to make fun of not even the ones saying so, but the one who informs others it's "out there"

One of the most dangerous things anyone can ever do is to stop THINKING, and considering things they'd rather not think about, or ever wish to happen..

Being forewarned IS being forearmed, history WILL back that up...

IF much of Germany would have been MORE aware of what Hitler was up to,there is a REAL chance he'd never have done so much REAL and obvious(now) damage......THAT is the whole point, knowing what is "out there" taking some time to evaluate it all, and deciding for yourself what is true or not (without "help" from some.....who imagine themselves it seems 'above us" in all aspects including the ability to reason and think)

If or when any of these things come to pass, none of them would be funny, but rather than discuss them, As Adults ....it's better some say to scoff, make fun and ridicule others, while contributing nothing of substance at all to the thread.
I can't see the point there, IF you have nothing to contribute (positive or to disprove it) why post at all??

The "funniest thing" is, I think there could be some really good discussions on this, IF most were not knowing IF they post they too would be made fun of, scoffed at and such things.....

Kinda takes away from the whole idea of a public community forum now doesn't it, when some make others feel bad about posting???

At any rate, there is a great deal of information here some documented as true, some not, all of it, imho worthy of Real thought and discussion.....much of it likely won't be changed (especially the borders, SS benefits etc) but at least we now KNOW where things are headed......

Remember this, a group actually had to SUE (under the Freedom of Information Act) to find out the truth of what OUR Represenation IS doing to us........NOW I may not be "so wise as some" , maybe even a "fruitcake", however I'm smart enough to KNOW one doesn't have to do that unless they ARE trying to hide something (things??).....

IF however that doesn't convince you that any of this IS worthy of discussion (it's only our future, and that of our generations to come after all), then I have NO problem with that or with you....we just have differenent ideas and priorities......which I can respect. :)

aceoky

01-13-2007, 08:47 AM

Since buckfever you obviously don't agree with ANYTHING I ever post, and can't seem to help yourself from attacking me personally, I'd suggest that you either stop reading my posts OR simply put me on ignore (it's nice btw)

Otherwise, IF you won't do either, I'll respectfully ask that you no longer continue to ask (or demand ) me to "please stop", as you have done so very many times, in the past. IF it annoyes you that bad (which I can't believe with such obvious soloutions, and your intelligence) then simply don't bother with my posts at all.

Why DO you care so much, whether this thread stays or not??? Some of us just may be enjoying it, IF you're not, fine don't read any of it.......

I fully intend to post (and report usually with links) on the mattters that I feel are important IMHO, don't expect that you can change that, IF you can, there is not much point in any of us being members here imho.
You may not agree with some (or anything) I post, I should however have as much right to post what I feel strongly about as much as anyone else..

I intend to continue to TRY to make a difference here, regardless of how some may "spin" that (or try to)....and I sincerely hope it's for the better ........

Just as I hope your obvious attempts at getting this thread locked don't succeed.

I'd also remind everyone, this is not my thread, and by far I'm not the only one posting on it, and some have expressed interest in what is being posted.......so it's not only me that is being insulted in this manner fwiw.(that does bother me btw I'm used to it by now, others are likely not, and likely won't post what they think considering)

I do not respond to yours; so please do me the courtesy of not insulting me and personally attacking me on a regular basis, thank you.

aceoky

01-13-2007, 10:15 AM

NOW with that out of the way, here are a few REAL issues to think seriously about........imho

Most people realize that the ONE big reason for us being so involved in the Middle East is because of the vast Oil Reserves there......so.....

WHY are we still So dependent upon their oil??

Am I the ONLY one who finds it odd, that with all the leaps in technology etc. the best they've been able to come up with are these "hybrid cars" (joke imho)....... I submit, they could have solved THAT problem long ago with Science and technology IF they wanted to..........so why hasn't that been done?? WHY isn't that a reality???

WHO benefits from US being SO dependent upon their oil (along with them obviously???).....hmmm kinda makes one think ( I hope)

How about WE disucss this reality like grown ups??? I believe it could be both interesting and informative.......

Do some reading on the Middle East as a whole and notice what IS going on there and how some seem more than intent on WWII.........anyone find THAT funny???

Do you realize there is a documented finding of a N. Korean missle in Alaska?? (what IF they'd placed a Nuclear cargo on that one???)

Let's see where WE stand at this moment in history.....(well it's NOT history yet):D

WE have N. Korea threatening US........as well as Iran (both known nuclear powers) with Russia and China backing both of them AS well as the Islam community.......

Anyone still find any of this "funny"??

Now how about OUR National border/immigration problems, are they also "made up"? False???

How about the intentional destruction of Social Security ( I think they intend to destroy it making us more "afraid" and insecure about and of our futures, thus more willing to surrender our freedoms "for our own good" ......no doubt) :rolleyes: :eek:

Folks things are changing (and not for the better far as I can see) to ignore that fact, OR (even worse imho) to make fun of these facts, only serves to provide a false sense of security (which IMHO is much worse than NO sense of security at all, at least when you know you're not secure, you are aware of what IS going on)......

So what say ye all??

It's funny some wish to paint me "paranoid", it wasn't me predicting a hunting weapon would "dessimate" anything, quite the opposite was in fact true, based upon actual research, not opinions/feelings or anything else...(what I predicted was correct btw) (glass houses remember) :)

I am not paranoid by a long shot, I do research, post what I think is relevent to let each of us decide what is happening, and I happen to think the people here are quite capable of doing so fwiw....

aceoky

01-13-2007, 10:55 AM

Oh yeah, and please check on the history of our newest enemy... al-Qaida (let's see wasn't that Jimmy Carter's :"baby")

Let's find out WHO and why they were formed and where the money for them came from shall we???

Seems strange to me WE are often MAKING our Own Enemies???

Probably though just sheer coincidence , nothing to worry about, there certainly are no evil men left who crave power and wealth above all else including human lives (which explains why those defense contracts are so very "tiny" , along with the profits ) :rolleyes:

Maybe I am a "fruitcake" ..........maybe not, one thing I'm certainly not is unable and unaware, or unwilling to discuss the real possibilties....either way...:cool:

aceoky

01-13-2007, 12:51 PM

Or was that the Taliban Jimmy Carter started? :confused: .

WE have created so many of our own enemies, that it's starting to get very confusing trying to remember which one was started by whom......:rolleyes:

buckfever

01-13-2007, 12:53 PM

aceoky

01-13-2007, 01:03 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070113/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/justice_leak

Justice Dept. concealing leak report

WASHINGTON - The Justice Department is fighting in court to keep secret a government report concluding that it leaked confidential and damaging information against a former prosecutor accused of bungling a high-profile terror trial.

(continued)

"There's nothing in that report that should not be out there in the public domain so people could assess the hypocrisy and misconduct of the Department of Justice," Kohn said Friday. "Withholding it, I believe, is part of a cover-up."

aceoky

01-13-2007, 04:23 PM

For the sake of discussion, let's look at it like this......

Let's just say for a minute only 20% of what has been posted is true.......

Which of all these things is really funny when they happen??

Now let's reverse things 180.....

Lets say none of it is true (we know better since the Congressional records and the UN treaties are posted to prove those points at least) but for the sake of discussion.....

What does it hurt to examine all the things and see what is (if anything ) going on in the World around us??

I happen to be of the opinion we (meaning the US as a whole) take too much "news" from the mainstream media, who obviously don't report half of what's going on in reality, and what they do is very clearly "slanted" (and that's being polite)....

WHY were WE not informed about the Social Security changes?? Could it just be they hoped we wouldn't realize it before it happens??

Isn't it very possible there are many things going on around us, that we are not told about, every single day considering that???

See folks the point is to examine the stuff that IS out there; and THINK about it, not just pass it on over, but to really actually think about things that affect us all.....

I didn't take the time to examine everything and try to verify it all, that would take away from an honest discussion, and I have no desire to discuss with this with and by myself, and doubt I'd learn much (save what the inside of a "rubber room" is like, which I have no desire to know):)

As it is, some is verified accurate,... some more seems to be, but may not be 100%, a small part of it, hasn't been checked on by me at all, for the sake of other's being able to do so and join in on this....

I happen to believe many here are wanting to do just that, everyone here is quite capable, and more would be contributing to this thing, had they not seen the results of those who did, and how they were treated.

I do know this thread IS being viewed quite a bit, thus it must be of some use for some of us??

I could however be wrong. ;)

aceoky

01-13-2007, 04:53 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070113/ts_afp/usnkoreairannuclear_070113170520

Doomsday clock to move closer to nuclear Armageddon

aceoky

01-14-2007, 02:25 PM

For those interested in this topic the History Channel has been running quite a bit on and about all of this for some time now..... :)

aceoky

01-17-2007, 05:24 PM

By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer
12 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration has agreed to shift course and let a secret but independent panel of federal judges oversee the government's controversial domestic spying program.

Since Jan. 10, when the court began overseeing the program, at least one request has been approved to monitor communications of a person believed to be linked to al-Qaida or an associated terror group.

In his letter to Sens. Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), D-Vt., and Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., Gonzales wrote that "any electronic surveillance that was occurring as part of the Terrorist Surveillance Program will now be conducted subject to the approval of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court."

The Bush administration secretly launched the Terrorist Surveillance Program in 2001 to monitor international phone calls and e-mails to or from the United States involving people suspected by the government of having terrorist links. Gonzales said Bush would not reauthorize the program.

The issue has never been whether to monitor suspected terrorists but doing it legally and with proper checks and balances to prevent abuses," Leahy, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday in welcoming the change. "Providing efficient but meaningful court review is a major step toward addressing those concerns."

The turnaround came after more than a year of stubborn insistence by the White House that oversight by the secret court was not required by law and, in fact, would be a hindrance to stopping terrorists. The FISA court was established in the late 1970s to review requests for warrants to conduct surveillance inside the United States.

Bush has maintained that the warrantless surveillance program's existence was "fully consistent with my constitutional responsibilities and authorities," and has said he would continue to reauthorize it "for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from al-Qaida and related groups." He has said circumventing the FISA court "enables us to move faster and quicker."

A federal judge in Detroit last August declared the program unconstitutional, saying it violates the rights to free speech and privacy and the separation of powers. In October, a three-judge panel of the Cincinnati-based appeals court ruled that the administration could keep the program in place while it appeals the Detroit decision.

Additionally, the Justice Department's inspector general is investigating the agency's use of information gathered in the spying program. In testimony last fall in front of the Senate panel, FBI Director Robert Mueller said he was not allowed to discuss classified details that could show whether it has curbed terrorist activity in the United States.

Congressional intelligence committees have already been briefed on the court's orders, Gonzales said in his letter. It was sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee the day before he is set to testify before the panel, which oversees the Justice Department.

Some Democrats said the change still may not go far enough.

"While this may be a step in the right direction, it should not deflect the attention of the American people or the Congress from seeking answers about the current and past operation of this program," said House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich.

buckfever

01-17-2007, 05:53 PM

Ummm, Ace, it's not a secret that there's a special federal court to handle cases that concern matters of national security.

Sure, there's some that object to it, but the constitutionality of this Court has been upheld by the Supreme Court. . .

And, honestly, don't get me started on the U.S. Supreme Court members' involvement in this NWO conspiracy.

I practically blow my stack when I think about a couple of genetic freaks like Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Prince Charles sitting around the Bush Family Compound in Crawford, Tx discussing racial purity and the like. . . . .

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/buckfever6/charles.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/buckfever6/200px-RuthBaderGinsburg.jpg

maxcam

01-17-2007, 06:05 PM

You know I get the biggest chuckle out of the debates that you two have! Thanks for the laughs.....

aceoky

01-18-2007, 09:36 AM

I really don't know what bf posted, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't even invited to this thread anyway (ask G what I'm talking about for anyone who doesn't know already) :D :D :D

Besides he's in the business of creating "reasonable doubt", I'm on the other hand known for facts, data, science and an open mind on issues ;)

I'm glad you are getting some chuckles though....

For awhile we were having a quite interesting discussion here of possibilities, etc. It's a shame imho, that would bother anyone to any degree or level, oh well.......:rolleyes:

aceoky

01-20-2007, 02:49 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_re_af/world_social_forum

By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jan 20, 11:39 AM ET

NAIROBI, Kenya - More than 80,000 people gathered for an annual anti-capitalist conference in Kenya's capital on Saturday, marching on Nairobi's largest slum to protest global policies they say hurt the poor

Other signs read, "Another world is possible, even for slum dwellers," and "Women are not property."

I think it's important to show the world that there is a very dynamic world movement that has players in Africa," said Paul Van Wyke, who works for the British charity Oxfam.

The World Social Forum was first held in Brazil in 2001 and coincides each year with the market-friendly World Economic Forum of political and business leaders in Davos, Switzerland.

gwhilikerz

01-20-2007, 04:51 PM

Yep, they hate us. But they sure have their hand out all the time.

aceoky

01-20-2007, 06:02 PM

http://www.techweb.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=KNPD4VS1Z0LFEQSNDLOSK H0CJUNN2JVN;?articleId=196802844

Invisible RFID Ink Safe For Cattle And People, Company Says

By K.C. Jones,

A startup company developing chipless RFID ink has tested its product on cattle and laboratory rats.
Somark Innovations announced this week that it successfully tested biocompatible RFID ink, which can be read through animal hairs. The passive RFID technology could be used to identify and track cows to reduce financial losses from Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (mad cow disease) scares. Somark, which formed in 2005, is located at the Center for Emerging Technologies in St. Louis. The company is raising Series A equity financing and plans to license the technology to secondary markets, which could include laboratory animals, dogs, cats, prime cuts of meat, and military personnel.

Chief scientist Ramos Mays said the tests provide a true proof-of-principle and mitigate most of the technological risks in terms of the product's performance. "This proves the ability to create a synthetic biometric or fake fingerprint with biocompatible, chipless RFID ink and read it through hair," he said.

Co-founder Mark Pydynowski said during an interview Wednesday that the ink doesn't contain any metals and can be either invisible or colored. He declined to say what is in the ink, but said he's certain that it is 100% biocompatible and chemically inert. He also said it is safe for people and animals.

The amount of information contained in the ink depends on the surface area available, he said. The U.S. Department of Agriculture calls for a 15-digit number to track cattle. The first three digits are "840" for the U.S. country code. The remaining digits are unique identifiers. The numbers would link to a database containing more information.

"It can say where it has been, who it has talked to, who it has eaten with, and who else it has been in contact with," Pydynowski said.

The ink also could be used to track and rescue soldiers, Pydynowski said.

"It could help identify friends or foes, prevent friendly fire, and help save soldiers' lives," he said.

"It's a very scary proposition when you're dealing with humans, but with military personnel, we're talking about saving soldiers' lives and it may be something worthwhile."

aceoky

01-20-2007, 07:29 PM

http://www.jamesspann.com/wordpress/?p=650

“The Weather Channel” Mess
January 18, 2007, 5:45 pm | James Spann | Op/Ed

Well, well. Some “climate expert” on “The Weather Channel” wants to take away AMS certification from those of us who believe the recent “global warming” is a natural process. So much for “tolerance”, huh?

I have been in operational meteorology since 1978, and I know dozens and dozens of broadcast meteorologists all over the country. Our big job: look at a large volume of raw data and come up with a public weather forecast for the next seven days. I do not know of a single TV meteorologist who buys into the man-made global warming hype. I know there must be a few out there, but I can’t find them.

Here are the basic facts you need to know:

*Billions of dollars of grant money is flowing into the pockets of those on the man-made global warming bandwagon. No man-made global warming, the money dries up. :eek:

This is big money, make no mistake about it. Always follow the money trail and it tells a story. Even the lady at “The Weather Channel” probably gets paid good money for a prime time show on climate change. No man-made global warming, no show, and no salary. Nothing wrong with making money at all, but when money becomes the motivation for a scientific conclusion, then we have a problem. For many, global warming is a big cash grab.

*The climate of this planet has been changing since God put the planet here. It will always change, and the warming in the last 10 years is not much difference than the warming we saw in the 1930s and other decades. And, lets not forget we are at the end of the ice age in which ice covered most of North America and Northern Europe.

If you don’t like to listen to me, find another meteorologist with no tie to grant money for research on the subject.

I would not listen to anyone that is a politician, a journalist, or someone in science who is generating revenue from this issue.

In fact, I encourage you to listen to WeatherBrains episode number 12, featuring Alabama State Climatologist John Christy, and WeatherBrains episode number 17, featuring Dr. William Gray of Colorado State University, one of the most brilliant minds in our science.

WeatherBrains, by the way, is our weekly 30 minute netcast.

I have nothing against “The Weather Channel”, but they have crossed the line into a political and cultural region