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Feedman
12-26-2006, 05:09 PM
I thought it odd that they hired a Democratic law firm to fight this tax.


Boat owners may have to pay millions in state taxes

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

FRANKFORT — The state has sent tax bills totaling $2.5 million to Kentuckians who own ritzy houseboats and cabin cruisers.
About 3,500 people could have to begin paying state and local property taxes on their houseboats and cabin cruisers now that tax collectors from the Kentucky Department of Revenue know who they are.
The boats — generally more than 25 feet long and often worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and up — have gone untaxed for years because they were registered with the U.S. Coast Guard and not the state.
However, the state got approval from the Coast Guard to use its files to identify the boats and their owners. The Department of Revenue began notifying boat owners last summer that they were behind in their tax payments.
The average boat tax bill so far is about $700.
Revenue Department spokeswoman Jill Midkiff said the state has the right to collect up to five years in unpaid taxes. Some boat owners oppose paying even a year of taxes. Many have filed formal protests with the Revenue Department, challenging the assessments.
“It’s an impact on your cash flow that you’re not expecting and takes away from your hobby that you budget for every year,” boat owner Jamie Donohue said.
He and other Louisville-area owners have formed a committee and hired the Lexington law firm of former Kentucky Democratic Party Chairman Terry McBrayer to persuade state lawmakers to exempt them from most of the tax.
Taxing the big boats will be “catastrophic” for Kentucky’s houseboat industry because they already cost so much to dock, operate and maintain, said Karen Chrisman, a lawyer with McBrayer Mcginnis Leslie & Kirkland.
It also will negate the millions of dollars the state spends on promoting water-based tourism, Chrisman said, causing owners to dock their boats in neighboring states or at their Florida homes.
State tax law says owners who register their boats with the Coast Guard have to pay local taxes unless county government specifically exempts them. The boat owners are willing to let the state have its share, but they want the local tax exemption made mandatory.
Debbie Dayton and her husband received tax bills in September totaling $1,600 for their two houseboats. The Prospect couple live on one of the boats. Instead of fighting the taxes, Dayton decided to pay them.
“Say I had to pay attorney fees and stuff — you think your going to win that lawsuit, going up against the state?” she asked. “The interest and penalties and late charges are going to accumulate — it’s just going to get worse.”

Multidigits
12-26-2006, 06:15 PM
Not sure about all the details, but this is some of the work that the Commision is tasked with. This change was made recently on how NR boat owners licensse their boats that they leave in Ky. year round. Looks like it might eventually pay off for the state.

maxcam
12-26-2006, 10:43 PM
There are alot of loopholes in the way "houseboats" are financed. The least they can do is pay the taxes on the things.....:mad:

As far as cash flow.....Well maybe you will have to leave the boat docked a few extra weekends till you get caught up....That wont gain any sympathy from the men and women that are working an extra shift to make ends meet while your sippin a cold one watchin the kiddos jump off the back deck!

chadwimc
12-26-2006, 11:36 PM
What happens when those "working an extra shift to make ends meet" finally get something nice? People like you want to impose taxes on 'em. Am I missing something here? How do you know the boat owner didn't sacricfice and work extra shifts to get his boat? Sounds like envy has risen its ugly head...

AteUp
12-26-2006, 11:55 PM
Looks like a loophole was closed. Is there anymore to this? Looks pretty cut and dry to me. Don't we have to pay property taxes on everything else already?

Bray
12-27-2006, 08:13 AM
Yea, I don't understand the fight here. Unless the tax law has changed (regarding residences) since my tax class you get a federal tax break on the house boat (second residence) and on the intrest you pay on the house boat then it can only be expected that the boat must be taxed as property.

Multidigits
12-27-2006, 09:08 AM
What happens when those "working an extra shift to make ends meet" finally get something nice? People like you want to impose taxes on 'em. Am I missing something here? How do you know the boat owner didn't sacricfice and work extra shifts to get his boat? Sounds like envy has risen its ugly head...

What difference does it make????? You pay taxes on your house, why not those that sleep on a boat???? I pay taxes on my boats, these people need to pay taxes as well as long as their boats stay in Ky. waters all year long.

Louhunter
12-27-2006, 12:51 PM
Yea, I don't understand the fight here. Unless the tax law has changed (regarding residences) since my tax class you get a federal tax break on the house boat (second residence) and on the intrest you pay on the house boat then it can only be expected that the boat must be taxed as property.

I believe the break you are talking about is the ability to deduct the loan interest. You still are required to pay property taxes.

As a boat owner and one who has payed property taxes on my boat for years, it kind of pisses me off to know they have not paid any taxes. Sorry but I do not feel sorry for them one bit...

ceg4uk
12-27-2006, 01:02 PM
I thought it odd that they hired a Democratic law firm to fight this tax.
Hey, Democratic lawyers have mortgage payments, too!

daking
12-27-2006, 06:23 PM
In Kentucky, you have always had the responsibility of determining the value of your boat (if it's federally documented) and pay the taxes on it. Boats not federally documented are registered with the state and before you get your sticker, you pay the taxes.Think of it....the guy who drives his 75K BMW down to the river to his 500K Hatteras. He damn sure pays tax on his Beemer, so why should his boat be any different.I don't like taxes either, but if you owe 'em, pay 'em. Those guys always owed.

WBBP
12-27-2006, 06:43 PM
Everybody else that owns a boat in KY pays property taxes on their boats. These guys have slipped by because of a loophole. If you can afford to own a $250,000-$750,000 boat and store it on LC all year, you can afford the taxes on them.

BTW, did anyone see a picture of the Department's houseboat beached at 76 Falls? This is the same boat the under cover CO's used to take video footage of "activities" at 76 Falls the year before last.

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