Pennsylvania school shooting...

[Buford]

Another nutjob killed six schoolkids in Penn today. Im gonna be corndoggy for a minute and tell you why this makes me mad. For centuries, or maybe milleniums, society kept people like these school gunmen suppressed. Antisocial sociopaths were oppressed and kept under the constant weight of societal norms. That was bad in the way it punished those who were different, but good in the way it seems to have kept trenchcoat mafia types from being allowed to freely exist.
Our society, both legally and culturally has become so permissive that discontent is now freely expressed with violence. In a society whose losers are constantly apologized to, we seem to have a rise in acts of vengeance. Is it just me or are there a whole lot more of these types of acts in the last 10-15 years? Is it possible that our culture has enabled these people to act out their vengeance fantasies? :mad:

[Redlined]

Here's something to ponder.Before corporal punishment was taken out of schools did you hear of kids showing up killing themselves or teachers?I know this gunmen wasn't a student ,but same principle.The first generations of kids raised in a "timeout" world have just begun to reach adulthood.Doesn't it seem funny that since most of them were never taken out and given the a$$ busting they sorely needed as children that ,now,as adults, act like they haven't a clue between wrong and right?

[quackrstackr]

I think it's a combination of a lot of things.

Being somewhat glorified by the media outlets is right in there with them. Notice how these school shootings snowballed after the media frenzy that Columbine turned into? These nut jobs just sit around and wait for somebody else to do it first.

[JP]

You have to go thru a metal detector to get into a courthouse. And how many shootings do you hear about there? Schools gotta have 'em...not a solution, but at least a deterant...

[raktrakr]

You have to go thru a metal detector to get into a courthouse. And how many shootings do you hear about there? Schools gotta have 'em...not a solution, but at least a deterant...
I dont think that would have helped in this case.

[Wildcat]

I pray for those kids and their families. No mater what it was a bad thing all around.


Something else we are going to have to start thinking about. With the recent number of school shootings and other things we will soon see a new wave of gun control laws. That's some people reaction, it's been that way every time something like this happens.

[Buford]

Glenn Beck got it right tonite, stating that the media will spend more time talking about this guys gripes, and thereby legitimizing them, than calling him what he is-a coward, a psychopath, a killer, a monster.
Sensitivity and PCness in situations like this will only create more of these events. Somebody, anybody call this what it is. We've enabled another loser to exact revenge. The guy told his wife it was for revenge. And his revenge was to kill 3 eight year old girls. Id call him the P---- on national tv. Maybe then people like him would think about being ridiculed rather than being lionized by the media after the event as a "troubled soul" or a
"victim of the system" or depression, or whatever.

[killinmammals]

Buford I agree!! They are not the victims in these situations but are made out too be...it makes me sick.

[Dangermouse]

I suspect this is going to get much worse . With more and more of this kinda thing happening . The fore-fathers of the country realized how necessary a deep morality was to the success of the United States . And they said so . It was the custom of schools to cover 10 COMMANDMENTS and post them . They have been voted in by most states as common law ,yet but you cant put them in a school ? They didnt take God out of the school , just some of the kids who hasnt had any other morality upbringing . I thought we had a freedom of religion , not a freedom from religion .

[eddiejohn4]

These are sad times, I think we need to protect these children at school its time for armed guards in every doorway at every school.

There seems to be some correlation to these mad men and anti depressents that they seem to have been on. I do not know if this is true for all but from what is being reported and this you have to take with a grain of salt most of these students and plain nut jobs that have done school shooting have been on some meds.

[trust me]

I'm sorry, but I don't think armed school guards are the answer to nut jobs. Maybe for disruptive kids in the building, but crazies that want to kill kids, no.

If you are otherwise rational and reasonable, an armed guard will put you off, make you think, change your plans. But if you want to "go out in a blaze of glory", then the armed guard presents no barrier. You just shoot him first and then move on to the kids. Metal detectors work on the kids, but if some nut job wants to approach the door, he can just shoot his way through. Just draw your short-barreled shotgun out of your trench coat and get the drop on the officer, and you're inside and doing your sick, twisted thing.

There is no real answer, except to identify the nut jobs and get them off the street before they go on their rampage. Apparently, the PA killer gave no real indications he had a complex plan to secure the school, molest, rape, and kill little girls. He picked the one school that had no security and no phones. He brought tools to barricade the doors. He came equipped with a supply of KY Jelly, for Pete's sake! Somebody, somewhere, had a clue this guy was going off the deep end. Had he been arrested years before when he molested the first time, this may have been prevented, but he got away scot-free, apparently.

We have to accept that a certain percentage of our population, maybe 1-3 percent, are defective, screwed up, and dangerous. These people usually make themselves known in or before the teen years, the Jeffrey Dahmer/Charles Manson types. It doesn't matter if they are born or made; they are dangerous and we have no room in society for them.

Dang, it's 4 in the morning and I'm dwelling on this crap. I need a life.:(

[randy grider]

what trust me said.

[MS. HANDGUNNER]

There has to be a deterrant to crime-- even if you're only 6. Otherwise, the behavior is only reinforced.

[ksp771]

If you look back how society has changed you will see that it is a fact that ever since they took swats out of schools the shooting and violence escalated. I do not condone the spankings in school and can tell you from experience of being on the receiving end of the paddle that I never once thought of shooting anyone in school. We were always too afraid of getting the paddle by the principal. Kids have no fear in school or society. They know all they have to do is run and tell the Social worker or police that mom or dad is being mean to them. Heck they are even filing suits against parents no a days.
Another nutjob killed six schoolkids in Penn today. Im gonna be corndoggy for a minute and tell you why this makes me mad. For centuries, or maybe milleniums, society kept people like these school gunmen suppressed. Antisocial sociopaths were oppressed and kept under the constant weight of societal norms. That was bad in the way it punished those who were different, but good in the way it seems to have kept trenchcoat mafia types from being allowed to freely exist.
Our society, both legally and culturally has become so permissive that discontent is now freely expressed with violence. In a society whose losers are constantly apologized to, we seem to have a rise in acts of vengeance. Is it just me or are there a whole lot more of these types of acts in the last 10-15 years? Is it possible that our culture has enabled these people to act out their vengeance fantasies? :mad:

[eddiejohn4]

If you have more then one armed personell inside the school, getting the drop will not be an easy task you might shoot one but you will not shoot all. this is how we guard embassys. Yes anything can happen but the chances of a nut job killing many is less then with no protection. Even a nut job after seeing a major obstacle will most likely look else where.:) And if he plans on going out with a blaze of glory maybe one of the other trained personell can oblige.

I hate to think that we need to have a drastic plan as this, but to many school shootings are occuring, and this needs to be adressed. an armed society is a polite society.

Trust you are right this would not be feasible ,Im just blowing off alittle steam as I would love to see these fruit loops be shot dead before they have a chance to hurt innocent children.

[KY_Fried]

When somebody wants to do something like this and is prepared to die in the process there's sadly not much that can be done to stop it. I'm not at all saying that new steps shouldn't be made to try and prevent this kind of thing, but I don't believe there's anything that can be done thats going to be 100% effective.

[corndogggy]

Im gonna be corndoggy for a minute and tell you why this makes me mad

YESSS!!!! :D

This school shooting thing kind of hits home although not quite as much as others. I live just a few houses down the road from the school that started all this rural mass killing of random girls, in Heath. My wife's sister was holding hands in prayer with one of the girls who got shot in the head.

Obviously the act of killing people alone is detestable, but what REALLY makes me mad about all of this is that if you've got serious beef with somebody to the point where your life is screwed up, why aren't these people targeting those people who did them wrong? These guys are just picking random people, usually just random girls, with this last guy picking random LITTLE 6-13 YEAR OLD girls, who were Amish on top of all of that. No way in hell did a 7 year old Amish girl ever do him any wrong to the point of making him shoot 10 of them execution style in the back of the head, that's just horribly wrong on so many levels.