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john4

09-30-2006, 07:34 AM

Fla. Congressman Mark Foley Resigns Over E-Mails to Male Page

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WASHINGTON — In a scandal guaranteed to anger parents, a prominent House Republican has resigned after the revelation that he exchanged raunchy electronic messages with a teenage boy, a former congressional page.
Rep. Mark Foley (javascript:siteSearch('Rep. Mark Foley');), R-Fla., who is single, apologized Friday for letting down his family and constituents. Once his resignation letter was read to the House late Friday afternoon, Republicans spent the night trying to explain — six weeks before congressional elections — how this could have happened on their watch.
Near midnight, they engineered a vote to let the House ethics committee decide whether an investigation is needed.
Among the Republican explanations during the night:
— The congressional sponsor of the page, Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., said he was asked by the youth's parents not to pursue the matter, so he dropped it.
— Alexander said that before deciding to end his involvement, he passed on what he knew to the chairman of the House Republican campaign organization, Rep. Thomas Reynolds, R-N.Y. Reynolds' spokesman, Carl Forti, said "We are not characterizing conversations that Congressman Reynolds may have had or may not have had with other members of Congress on that subject." — Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill., chairman of the Page Board (javascript:siteSearch('Page Board');) that oversees the congressional work-study program for high schoolers, said he did investigate but Foley falsely assured him he was only mentoring the boy. Pages are high school students who attend classes under congressional supervision and work as messengers.
— The spokesman for Speaker Dennis Hastert, Ron Bonjean, said the top House Republican had not known about the allegations. Shimkus said he learned about them in late 2005.
Just as Shimkus' explanation was released, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California proposed to the House that its ethics committee investigate and make a preliminary report in 10 days. She demanded to know who knew of the messages, whether Foley had other contacts with pages and when the Republican leadership was notified of Foley's conduct.
Instead, majority Republicans engineered a vote to allow the ethics panel to decide whether there should even be an investigation.
Foley's departure sent Republicans scrambling for a replacement candidate.
Foley, 52, had been a shoo-in for a new term until the e-mail correspondence surfaced in recent days. The page was 16 at the time of the correspondence.
Foley's resignation further complicates the political landscape for Republicans, who are fighting to retain control of Congress. Democrats need to win a net of 15 Republican seats to regain the power they lost in 1994.
Florida Republicans planned to meet as soon as Monday to name a replacement in Foley's district, which President Bush (javascript:siteSearch('President Bush');) won with 55 percent in 2004 and is now in play for November. Though Florida ballots have already been printed with Foley's name and cannot be changed, any votes for Foley will count toward the party's choice.
Hastert said Friday he had asked Shimkus to investigate the page system. "We want to make sure that all our pages are safe and the page system is safe," Hastert said.
ABC News reported Friday that Foley also engaged in a series of sexually explicit instant messages with current and former pages, all male. In one message, ABC said, Foley wrote to one page, "Do I make you a little horny?"
In another message, Foley wrote, "You in your boxers, too? ... Well, strip down and get relaxed."
Foley, as chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus (javascript:siteSearch('Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus');), had introduced legislation in July to protect children from exploitation by adults over the Internet. He also sponsored other legislation designed to protect minors from abuse and neglect.
"We track library books better than we do sexual predators," Foley has said.
Foley, who represented an area around Palm Beach County, e-mailed the page in August 2005. Foley asked him how he was doing after Hurricane Katrina (javascript:siteSearch('Hurricane Katrina');) and what he wanted for his birthday. The congressman also asked the boy to send a photo of himself, according to excerpts of the e-mails that were originally released by ABC News.
The e-mails were posted Friday on the Web site of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (javascript:siteSearch('Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics');) in Washington after ABC News reported their existence.
Naomi Seligman, a spokeswoman for CREW, said the group also sent a letter to the FBI after it received the e-mails. CREW did not post their copies of the e-mail until ABC News reported them, instead waiting for the investigation.
"The House of Representatives has an obligation to protect the teenagers who come to Congress to learn about the legislative process," the group wrote.
According to the CREW (javascript:siteSearch('CREW');) posting, the boy e-mailed a colleague in Alexander's office about Foley's e-mails, saying, "This freaked me out." On the request for a photo, the boy repeated the word "sick" 13 times.
He said Foley asked for his e-mail when the boy gave him a thank-you card. The boy also said Foley wrote that he had e-mailed another page.
"he's such a nice guy," Foley wrote about the other boy. "acts much older than his age...and hes in really great shape...i am just finished riding my bike on a 25 mile journey now heading to the gym ... whats school like for you this year?"
In other e-mails, Foley wrote: "I am back in Florida now...its nice here ... been raining today ... it sounds like you will have some fun over the next few weeks ... how old are you now?" and "how are you weathering the hurricane ... are you safe ... send me an email pic of you as well."

john4

09-30-2006, 07:41 AM

What the hell is wrong with these people........

Art

09-30-2006, 11:02 AM

Sick people......:mad:

trust me

09-30-2006, 12:47 PM

You guys remember the last pageboy scandal from the 80's (I think?) This is really nothing new. Sick, but unfortunately common.

Feedman

09-30-2006, 08:34 PM

Sounds like the congressman is a homo.:eek: :eek:

killinmammals

10-02-2006, 02:45 PM

I heard about that on bob and tom! Funny how he was a major voice in stiffer penalties for people like himself!!!!!!

Hammer

10-02-2006, 02:49 PM

now he's gone to "alcohol" rehab. He's blaming his action on that. Too bad even our elected officials can't take responsibility for their actions. What a frikkin' sick pervert!!

grouser68

10-03-2006, 06:30 AM

NBC reporting this morning there may have been a perversion cover up to save power!

If thats true, then Lord help us all!

jarhedhntr

10-03-2006, 06:39 AM

NBC reporting this morning there may have been a perversion cover up to save power!

If thats true, then Lord help us all!

Oh grouser, your just a left wing nut job conspiracy theorist:D

grouser68

10-03-2006, 06:54 AM

Oh grouser, your just a left wing nut job conspiracy theorist:D

:) Thats funny Jar!:D But in all seriousness, think about it.........if a party covers up "perversion" for the sake of keeping power.........what else are they capable of? Something to think about really.

Truth be told, I hope it's not true! Hope NBC got it wrong!I suspect we will hear more on this in the coming days.

jarhedhntr

10-03-2006, 07:04 AM

:) Thats funny Jar!:D But in all seriousness, think about it.........if a party covers up "perversion" for the sake of keeping power.........what else are they capable of? Something to think about really.

Truth be told, I hope it's not true! Hope NBC got it wrong!I suspect we will hear more on this in the coming days.

I know what your saying grouser. Unfortunately I think everyone in Washington has done some type of cover up. I am really disappointed in our entire government right now. I am so tired of "stand behind your party" instead of standing up for what is right. Honestly don't know where and who to stand with anymore. Very sad.

PhilpotHunter

10-03-2006, 08:00 AM

I'm glad to see that none of the strong right wingers have come out on this site to defend this sicko! Politics aside, this guy is a pedophile and thank god he is gone, and if any other politicians knew of it heads should roll. I'm with grouser though, I pray no one else was in on this at all. I know all politicians are crooks and lie, etc. But to think they would be capable of covering this guy up for there own benefit is scary

corndogggy

10-03-2006, 08:36 AM

What the hell is a "page" anyway?

grouser68

10-03-2006, 08:42 AM

What the hell is a "page" anyway?

To my understanding corndoggy, they are essentially young people that get the privilage of working in the house and senate, gophers,errand runners. In exchange, they learn the ways of the legislature.I believe they are generally pretty bright kids intereste3d in politics. I believe several pages have went on to hold office.

PhilpotHunter

10-03-2006, 09:44 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15113942/ Here is the excerpt that kills me!

Hastert and other top Republicans have said they knew of e-mail traffic between Foley and a 16-year-old boy, described to them as "over-friendly",at least six months ago. Hastert on Monday insisted he did not know the sexual nature of the messages to other pages until they surfaced on Friday.

Over friendly???? Are you serious? If they knew he was "over friendly" with teenage children then something should have been done right away!! Now you have the Washington Times calling for resignations!! One of the most conservative papers out there calling for resignations from GOP leaders.

Politicians make me sick.....

killinmammals

10-03-2006, 11:23 AM

I don't care who you are what party or anything. Defending or covering up for this guy is insane. There are cover-ups all the time that we may never hear about...thats the scary part.

Hammer

10-03-2006, 03:29 PM

referring to parties and actions, at least this pervert stepped down/was forced to step down immediately and no one from his party is rushing to defend him. Too bad Ted Kennedy couldn't have gone this route!!

PhilpotHunter

10-03-2006, 04:00 PM

no one from his party is rushing to defend him

Well, does good ole Mt. Rushmore count? He has been defending him for the past 2 days????

I agree about ole Teddy though. No room for him either.

Hammer

10-03-2006, 06:13 PM

Well, does good ole Mt. Rushmore count? He has been defending him for the past 2 days????

I agree about ole Teddy though. No room for him either.

Rush is the epitome of an idiot. I'm a conservative and I'm registered Democrat (we still exist; silent majority, you're probably the same). Rush is intolerable and has been for about 7 years now. Is he really defending this putz?? I also heard some guy named Hastert knew about this last year and did nothing.

The DNC is so out of touch. Give me a choice that's viable for 2008. Hillary is not a choice. I'll continue to vote for these extreme liberals until they wake up and run a good conservative Democrat. Until then, I'll have to vote for whoever is running against idiots like Gore, Kerry, H. Clinton, Dean, etc. All I ask for is a choice.

maxcam

10-03-2006, 08:02 PM

:) Thats funny Jar!:D But in all seriousness, think about it.........if a party covers up "perversion" for the sake of keeping power.........what else are they capable of? Something to think about really.

Truth be told, I hope it's not true! Hope NBC got it wrong!I suspect we will hear more on this in the coming days.

As opposed to getting caught red handed with a couple of hundred thousand dollars in the freezer from a " STING" by the Feds.....Or being a full blown flamer like Barney Frank......Or better yet ........
While OSAMA BIN LADEN is plotting to level the World Trade Center ol Billy boy is packin his cigar in some interns cooch......

Yeah I know what you mean.....Being open and up front about everything is always the best policy!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

30WCF

10-03-2006, 08:46 PM

Rush seems to be squirming with this more than I've heard him in forever but I didnt take it that he is defending him, he even said so today. What hes mostly saying is alot of the ones making a huge deal out of it are the same ones that defended Klinton and are now saying that the Klinton thing was acceptable because she wasnt a minority. As usual their playing politics with it more than just punnishing the one who did it and moving on. Its all about supporting their party instead of doing whats right and from what I understand may have been known about for a while and just now released by the Democrat supporters to hurt the Republicans just before the election.
What I have noticed is that Rush seems to be saying in a round about way the timing of this is a setup to hurt the Republicans but he thought it was fine when all the stuff was out on Kerry and the Dems were talking about how the timing of when it came out was suspicious. What goes around comes around.

grouser68

10-03-2006, 09:23 PM

PhilpotHunter

10-04-2006, 08:37 AM

As opposed to getting caught red handed with a couple of hundred thousand dollars in the freezer from a " STING" by the Feds.....Or being a full blown flamer like Barney Frank......Or better yet ........
While OSAMA BIN LADEN is plotting to level the World Trade Center ol Billy boy is packin his cigar in some interns cooch......

Yeah I know what you mean.....Being open and up front about everything is always the best policy!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Maxcam, your right. It is ok that the GOP had a pedophile in there ranks, MIGHT have helped hide him, because look at what someone else did right? Is that the mentality of it?

Lets not forget that this man was GAY (something I am aware most of the republicans on this site are disgusted by, and even at least one democrat), that he preyed upon underage BOYS. This guy was one of the ones hiding behind his "christian" beliefs and morals in the publics eye to get votes, but when the shades were drawn and the little kiddies from page central came over for "drinks" where were his morals and convictions then?

I know how the GOP can deflect this, lets look at the dems past history and say things like. "yeah, but look at slick willy" and "atleast he admited to it" (straight from Ole Rushmore yesterday) let me know how that works out for you on election day.

Fact is guys, this is wrong. ANyone that knew about it and didn't do anything about it needs to go. And I'm not just talking about republicans here either. If a dem had this info and waited till the last minute to release it and that is proven, he needs to go to.

trust me

10-04-2006, 08:53 AM

This issue is much bigger than Rep vs. Dem and all the political hay being made. This is about a pervert that got caught, hopefully before he did anything more than send some lurid text messages.

The original emails to the 16 year old boy were certainly out of line, but there is nothing illegal about asking some kid how his classes are going. The text messages were what crossed the line, and as soon as those were made public, things started happening. Foley got disowned by his party, he resigned his office, the media descended, and somewhere in there is a young boy and his parents, or maybe more than just him, that is scared to death that at any minute the phone will start ringing and news trucks will park in the lawn.

The calls for Hastert's resignation are ridiculous. There was no cover up. There were no lies; even Foley himself fessed up immediately. Trying to make political gains over something so wrong is disgusting itself.

PhilpotHunter

10-04-2006, 09:01 AM

The calls for Hastert's resignation are ridiculous. There was no cover up. There were no lies

God I hope your right. The thought that someone would cover this up is sickening.

Where can I see the e-mails and IM's at? I have looked online but can't find a link.....

PhilpotHunter

10-04-2006, 01:16 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15129898/

I don't think this is for sure proof, but it seems that for another Republican to come out and say he knew about it is pretty strong?

yote hunter

10-04-2006, 03:35 PM

the emails everybody new about them for over a year.Hasert,abc,cnn etc...the instant messages no one knew about them until last friday when 2 other pages came forward with them.this is about liberals trying to make hay over one sick republican.the same liberals who think the government should make the boyscouts accept gay leaders and take little boys on camping trips

john4

10-04-2006, 04:28 PM

"this is about liberals trying to make hay over one sick republican"

It probably wouldn't be in the news as much if he were a pizza delivery man, but since he is a politician it becomes extremely newsworthy. Those who legislate morality, must themselves be moral people. Too bad it has to be politics as usual, both sides blaming one another. To me, there is no rationalizing this situation. There needs to be an impartial investigation conducted and if others allowed this to continue, they need to be held accountable.

maxcam

10-04-2006, 09:32 PM

Well, I was actually hoping it was'nt true for the kids sake! So why is it anytime a republican does something immoral, or illegal, ya just gotta bring up slick willy? More than just a little defensive!

I can only hope your not backing the immoral, and most likely illegal acts by Foley..........regardless of barney, and slick!

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Okay lets not talk about Barney or Slick Willie.....What about William J. Jefferson? How about the Wizard of West Virginia Robert Byrd and his use of the "N" word......

The difference between a republican and a democratic is very simple actually......When a republican gets caught he does the right thing and steps down....A democratic on the other hand plays the victim and crys about how everybody is out to get him!

Art

10-04-2006, 09:39 PM

grouser68

10-04-2006, 09:46 PM

Okay lets not talk about Barney or Slick Willie.....What about William J. Jefferson? How about the Wizard of West Virginia Robert Byrd and his use of the "N" word......

The difference between a republican and a democratic is very simple actually......When a republican gets caught he does the right thing and steps down....A democratic on the other hand plays the victim and crys about how everybody is out to get him!

Well, seems to me all that is in the past, and from it we should learn from history. Foley is current events!

grouser68

10-04-2006, 09:48 PM

PhilpotHunter

10-05-2006, 07:58 AM

The difference between a republican and a democratic is very simple actually......When a republican gets caught he does the right thing and steps down....A democratic on the other hand plays the victim and crys about how everybody is out to get him!

I will be more than happy to agree with you on the republican doing the right thing, AFTER the investigation comes back and clears the speaker from knowing about it. BUT, if it comes back that he knew about it, turns out the republican party was hiding a pedophile within there ranks....well, how is it that could happen in a party built on such strong christian morals?

I can't believe you are trying to spin this into it being about the dems:eek: Well, I can, but I have to admit, the reason your doing it kinda shocks and disgusts me. Now if we were talking politics as usual that would be one thing, but we are talking about a man preying on underage boys. Your trying to spin the focus off catching people that might have enabled a grown man (gay) who was trying to molest (call it what it is) children....For the gain of your political party:eek: That goes beyond politics, and steps right into the arena of pure evil. And if your not trying to do that, fine. But God, I hope it comes back that the speaker wasn't either:(

PhilpotHunter

10-05-2006, 08:00 AM

I don't see this as political. Our elected officials are simply a cross section of the American public for the most part. There are gays, liars, racist, crooks, ect in Washington just like there is everywhere else. To play it off as being a one party issue is just ignorant IMO.

I agree wholeheartedly. If it comes back that 3 Republicans and 3 Dmes were involved, plus someone from ABC sat on this story for even 1 week, they are all guilty of enabling a pedophile, and leaving him in a spot to prey on boys.

PhilpotHunter

10-05-2006, 02:25 PM

Well, i was somewhat amazed to listen to Rush today and how he has decided to defend this issue!!! Everything from "The dems put a 16 year old up to seducing poor ole Foley" To "the intern is at fault because now he has a lawyer"

So it looks like the fault is not on the pedophile for preying on the boy, it is the boys fault for BEING a boy......
Take that you evil Dems

corndogggy

10-05-2006, 05:04 PM

As bad as this situation is, it's still sad that this story is constantly on every news channel, yet I never hear anybody talking about all the violent military gang rapes of girls as young as 3 over in the Congo. Foley's story looks incredibly lame compared to that, yet we ignore it because it's in a different country. Why is that?

maxcam

10-06-2006, 12:44 PM

Does anyone remember a congressmen from Chicago a few years back.....Seems he had a thing for really young girls......Like 14 or 15 years old......Then after he was convicted of that he was indicted on several charges of fraud etc......

Mel Reynolds is his name......He was later pardon by then President Bill Clinton just before he left the White House.......:rolleyes:

You boys keep pointin the fingers but remember everytime you do there are three more pointing back at you!

PhilpotHunter

10-06-2006, 12:58 PM

You boys keep pointin the fingers but remember everytime you do there are three more pointing back at you!

Thats BS and you know it. I'm not pointing any fingers here, he admited to it. And if your saying it is ok for a man to prey on children because another man preyed on children then your just as evil as the pedophile.

But hey, as long as the Republicans get office back its ok if a few underage boys get molested in the process right? Look out boys, here comes the "moral" Republicans.

maxcam

10-06-2006, 01:12 PM

Thats BS and you know it. I'm not pointing any fingers here, he admited to it. And if your saying it is ok for a man to prey on children because another man preyed on children then your just as evil as the pedophile.

But hey, as long as the Republicans get office back its ok if a few underage boys get molested in the process right? Look out boys, here comes the "moral" Republicans.

What I am saying is that the only reason it was posted on this forum was because of politics.......I am merely pointing out what the facts are.....Had you ever heard of Mel Reynolds before? Probably not....Know why? Because very little was said about ......In fact it was only reported by a handful of local media outlets period......

The mere fact that you bring up who is in power proves that you are more concerned over the fallout than the damage this sick bastard has caused!

Just so that we are clear on one other point as well.....I didnt pardon Mel Reynolds .....Bill Clinton did ! But we already knew what a sick pervert he is didnt we! :rolleyes:

maxcam

10-06-2006, 01:25 PM

Here is a little more info for you to digest and think about:

Just a few more statistics to ponder when you decide to go to the polls next month to vote for your congressman or senator!

36 have been accused of spousal abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

19 have been accused of writing bad checks

117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault

71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

14 have been arrested for shoplifting

21 are currently defendants in a lawsuit

last but not least

84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year!

Get to really know your candidates before you vote! Regardless of their party affiliation!

daking

10-06-2006, 01:25 PM

The real issue is that if you look at politicians as a group, they will have as many perverts as the general public has perverts per capita.

There are an equal proportion of democrat perverts and republican perverts. Political agenda has little to do with being a pedophile.

It's up to us as parents to keep our kids away from perverts, to explain to our kids about how perverts operate and to be aware of what our kids are doing. WE are the only ones that can assure our childrens' safety.

With regards to democrats and republicans: Republicans tend to ride the perverts in their midst out like they did Mark Foley. Democrats support them for re-election as they have for Barney Frank (keeper of a boytoy who ran a prostitution ring out of Barney's basement and Gerry Studds (who was caught boinking a boy page and was reelected), or forgiving them (Like Bill Clinton pardoning Mel Reynolds.).

Consider this article from WICKIPEDIA:
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The 1983 Congressional page sex scandal was a political scandal in the United States involving members of the United States House of Representatives.

On July 14, 1983 the House Ethics Committee concluded that Rep. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass.) had engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages. In Crane's case, it was a 1980 relationship with a female page and in Studds's case, it was a 1973 relationship with a male page. Both representatives immediately pleaded guilty to the charges and the committee decided to simply reprimand the two.

However, Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) demanded their expulsion. On July 20, 1983, the House voted for censure, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct. Crane, who subsequently apologized for his transgression, lost his bid for reelection in 1984.

Studds, however, stood by the facts of the case and refused to apologize for his behavior, and even turned his back and ignored the censure being read to him. He called a press conference with the former page, in which both stated that the young man was legal and consenting. Studds did not break any U.S. laws for that time, in what he and page called a "private relationship."[1] He continued to be reelected until his retirement in 1996.[2

A far cry from what is happening over the present issue. I think that the Democrats are demagoguing an admittedly bad situation; one which they handled much differently when the shoe was on the other foot.

PhilpotHunter

10-06-2006, 03:47 PM

Keep trying damage control. Fact is a MAN did something horrible, and because he was a Republican you are trying to twist it in the least damaging way.

Guess it is hard to be the morally responisble party when doing things like this huh?

daking

10-06-2006, 04:55 PM

Philpot, I agree that Foley did something horrible. But the Democrats are trying to twist it their way....in the face of the hypocracy of the Gerry Studds affair. Both guys are creeps. One resigned in shame. One said that it was all OK because the kid was over the age of consent. Both should be horsewhipped. We agree on that. The Democrats only think being a pedophile is ok if you're a democrat from Massachussetts....at least that's what their actions indicate.

You cannot possibly have a logical refutation for this set of facts.

corndogggy

10-06-2006, 05:00 PM

PhilpotHunter

10-06-2006, 08:05 PM

maxcam

10-06-2006, 10:24 PM

I will say this much......You never hear of a cover up from the dems....Its usually...... Hell yeah I did it whats it to ya........

Well there was this one time when one of them said......IT depends on what your definition of is , is!? :rolleyes:

maxcam

10-06-2006, 10:27 PM

and 42.6% of all statistics are just made up! :D

As long as I stay on the 57.4% that is true then I will be happy.......Unlike flip flop Kerry who was for the war before he was against it! Or was that the tax cuts he was for for before he was against them?

Heck I cant remember, but even on his best day hes only 50-50! :D

eddiejohn4

10-07-2006, 04:08 AM

Foley will get what is comming to him ,and he will never hold office again. But to accuse everyone of a cover up is rediculous. Why then in 1983 when Demorcrat Jerry Studds, who accually had sex with a male page, who was eighteen, was only slaped on the wrist, then taken back into the fold not only did he not resign but was reelected five more times. Talking about the kettle calling the pot black.

Im starting to lose patience with these Inuendos and smear tactics before evidence is out out there. We all know about all the conspiracy theorys with the Valerie Plame affair, and look what the real truth was when the evidence came out.

No one can stand up for the emails sent by Foley the pervert, but you do not go running around trying to stir up things for political purposes and less you have evidence, and the Dems track record sucks on this accuse all of a cover up. Remember Dan Rather also?

Art

10-07-2006, 05:13 AM

They are all scum. It hasn't been that long since Gary Condit did his thing, and now this. There will be someone else in a couple of years.

For me personally, I'm not into stereotypes but I think you could look at Foley and tell he was a butt pirate.

I really hope that voters don't hold the entire party liable for the actions of one man, but they probably will. The mainstream media has kicked into high gear on this one and it's worse than I've ever seen it. Brian Williams is stopping just short of calling republicans MF'ing devils in every report he does. I hope you guys are ready to have a female left wing nut from San Francisco running the show. That ought to be good for helping the country, we might as well replace the judicial branch with the ACLU.

Art

10-07-2006, 05:16 AM

What I'm wondering is how did the democrats claim to know there has been a cover up? If they have known about it for a while, are they not guilty as well for not alerting the proper authorities? Seems like they are more concerned about political gain than with helping children.:confused: Two wrongs don't make a right.

grouser68

10-07-2006, 06:19 AM

I'm not into stereotypes but I think you could look at Foley and tell he was a butt pirate

:D Good one Art!:D

PhilpotHunter

10-09-2006, 08:06 AM

Art, if it comes back a dem knew also they are just as responsible, and deserve the same tar and feather treatment....

No where will you see me defending what the dems did in the past as morally right. No where will you see me defending them period. Obviously the dems have a lot of moral problems. But here is the big difference. The dems don't hide behind morals and call themselves the "moral party" The "family values party" like the republicans did. At least with the dems you know where you stand on issues. Most dems (not myself) are for gay marriages and equal rights to gays. Republicans say it is morally wrong to be gay, but then come to find out they are "hiding a gay man in there ranks. I think the days of the republicans touting that they are the morally responsible party are over.

And why are the dems and the media still pushing this? Well, as soon as Republican aides and represenatives stop coming out and throwing more accusations at each other to cover there own arses then maybe this will all go away.

john4

10-09-2006, 08:39 AM

I'm not into stereotypes but I think you could look at Foley and tell he was a butt pirate

:D Good one Art!:D

I agree he just looks the part. Then again, it appears everybody did know.

PhilpotHunter

10-09-2006, 10:06 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15188206/

Rep. Kolbe saw Foley messages in 2000

Another lawmaker knew of inappropriate Internet exchanges

It appears that maybe this HAS been common knowledge for awhile now. Not just since last fall..... But I'm sure there isn't a cover up:rolleyes:

Art

10-09-2006, 05:52 PM

I'd say many people knew about it, democrats and republicans. Only an idiot would think that this is the biggest skeleton in the closet in Washington D.C.

I do find the timing of this whole ordeal very funny. I'd bet anything that the breaking of this story was carefully coordinated.

grouser68

10-09-2006, 07:39 PM

Art

10-09-2006, 08:45 PM

:cool: :rolleyes: :cool:

Do you not find it the least bit strange?

You're not going to catch me taking up for the POS or trying to sugarcoat anything just because he's a republican. All I'm saying is that this type of stuff probably goes on in Washington all the time. I DARE someone to imply that the democratic party actually cared about this boy and would have blown the whistle earlier just to "save him" when they knew if they could wait until election season that it would be much more beneficial to thier party.

Nobody actually cares about that boy, it's all politics. Same thing with Chandra Levy. Fact is that the MOST important thing to ALL political figures in Washington is power and control.

grouser68

10-09-2006, 09:39 PM

Do you not find it the least bit strange?

You're not going to catch me taking up for the POS or trying to sugarcoat anything just because he's a republican. All I'm saying is that this type of stuff probably goes on in Washington all the time. I DARE someone to imply that the democratic party actually cared about this boy and would have blown the whistle earlier just to "save him" when they knew if they could wait until election season that it would be much more beneficial to thier party.

Nobody actually cares about that boy, it's all politics. Same thing with Chandra Levy. Fact is that the MOST important thing to ALL political figures in Washington is power and control.

Ok, gotta get my feet wet here Art. Conspirosy theory's,backdoor deals,etc. I just aint' buying! The fact is Foley did something morally wrong, maybe even illegal! Who cares where we heard it, who leaked it, when it came out? I don't! Just damn glad he is now known! How anyone can spin this to make it fit into the Democrats plans, I have no idea! The MAN did wrong........period! Is it a good thing for the Democrats? Who cares? Your wrong Art, I care about the pages, and everyone else should too, including the Democrats on the hill!

Are the Democrats getting some mileage from this? Sure they are! Take the hit and keep chuggin'!No need for conspirosy theory's and the like, or the whining.......just take the hit!

As for Pelosi........if Hasert did, and I said IF he did, cover for a known "child predator" and IF the Dem's take the house this fall, THANK GOD! I would ten times rather have Pelosi than a person(s) that would cover for anyone who would cause any harm to children! And if the "moral right" are really moral..........they would feel the same!

kevhunter

10-09-2006, 10:18 PM

A littile off topic but so what.It is a shame that we(the people) would support either party the way that we do. I have never seen a democrat or republican in a high office that has any idea how I live. They are so far removed from the common man that it is pathetic. Yet we so passionately support our party. WHY? We waste our time on forum like this arguing over why one is better or worse than the other yet neither really cares about you or me. If you or I believe they do, then we are in far worse shape than one could imagine. Is a democrat worse than a republican,some are,some arent.Is a republican worse than a democrat,well NO,duh.:)

grouser68

10-09-2006, 10:26 PM

Is a republican worse than a democrat,well NO,duh.:)

You silly guy!:D

kevhunter

10-09-2006, 10:36 PM

Is a republican worse than a democrat,well NO,duh.:)

You silly guy!:D

Im just kidding about that but serious about the rest.We should ALL take a serious look at who and what we are supporting. Myself included. WE should be ashamed for the most part.:(

grouser68

10-09-2006, 10:54 PM

Im just kidding about that but serious about the rest.We should ALL take a serious look at who and what we are supporting. Myself included. WE should be ashamed for the most part.:(

For the most part I agree. I think it's a taste, or preference. Do you like spring water or tap? 7 1/2s' or 6's for grouse? Leggy blondes or firey redheads.Once you find what you like you stick with it......until your tastes change. When it comes to politics, ya just gotta pick the lesser of 2 evils.......which would be the Democrats!:D

kevhunter

10-09-2006, 10:59 PM

When it comes to politics, ya just gotta pick the lesser of 2 evils.......which would be the Democrats!:D

You silly guy,have a nice day and that is from a crazed republican

maxcam

10-09-2006, 11:17 PM

That would be the same democratic party that taught North Korea how to enrich uranium and the Chinese how to launch things like inter continental ballistic missiles into orbit right? :mad:

grouser68

10-09-2006, 11:32 PM

That would be the same democratic party that taught North Korea how to enrich uranium and the Chinese how to launch things like inter continental ballistic missiles into orbit right? :mad:

Naw, most of those democrats are gone, just like most of the republicans invovled in Iran-Contra, and the ones that sold the arms to Saddam that he fought against us with are gone!:rolleyes:

Dang, who can we blame for what this week?

Art

10-10-2006, 05:55 AM

Naw, most of those democrats are gone, just like most of the republicans invovled in Iran-Contra, and the ones that sold the arms to Saddam that he fought against us with are gone!:rolleyes:

Dang, who can we blame for what this week?

I don't care so much about blaming people for the past as I worry about who might be in control of our future when the crap hits the fan.

"Nancy Pelosi, the leader of the Democrats in the House, portrays herself as a polite, grandmotherly lady. She constantly discusses her five grandchildren, makes sure her office is stocked with Ghirardelli chocolates, perpetually smiles and never swears in a business in which almost everyone else does. She even has a few cute quirks she and her staff would love to tell you about: a diet consisting mostly of chocolate and chocolate ice cream, and so much energy, she rarely sleeps. Just the other night, she will tell you, she was up watching MTV after midnight." - Time Magazine

grouser68

10-10-2006, 06:06 AM

I don't care so much about blaming people for the past as I worry about who might be in control of our future when the crap hits the fan.

"Nancy Pelosi, the leader of the Democrats in the House, portrays herself as a polite, grandmotherly lady. She constantly discusses her five grandchildren, makes sure her office is stocked with Ghirardelli chocolates, perpetually smiles and never swears in a business in which almost everyone else does. She even has a few cute quirks she and her staff would love to tell you about: a diet consisting mostly of chocolate and chocolate ice cream, and so much energy, she rarely sleeps. Just the other night, she will tell you, she was up watching MTV after midnight." - Time Magazine

Sounds like a nice lady to me, about time we prettied up the hill! Hasert's problem is he may have spent too much time in wrestling! Got too used to grapling with other men!:D

Art

10-10-2006, 06:32 AM

Sounds like a nice lady to me, about time we prettied up the hill! Hasert's problem is he may have spent too much time in wrestling! Got too used to grapling with other men!:D

She might be a nice lady (as long as you hate Bush and anything related to war or republicans). Do you really feel comfortable with thinking a female ultraliberal from San Francisco may be one of the top politicians in the coming months? Is that who you want helping call the shots if things get real nasty? Do you think MOST Americans share the same views as this woman?

grouser68

10-10-2006, 06:42 AM

She might be a nice lady (as long as you hate Bush and anything related to war or republicans). Do you really feel comfortable with thinking a female ultraliberal from San Francisco may be one of the top politicians in the coming months? Is that who you want helping call the shots if things get real nasty? Do you think MOST Americans share the same views as this woman?

Rep Tom Reynolds(R) swears he told Hasert 11 months ago, then again 6 months ago about Foley, but Hasert denies it.You republicans have painted Pelosi as "ultraliberal" I agree she may be a little more liberal than I like, but she's not ultraliberal. And yes, I want someone who is'nt under the umbrella of a cover up for a child predator! I will take the one.........who for now, has shown more moral values!:D

grouser68

10-10-2006, 06:47 AM

She might be a nice lady (as long as you hate Bush and anything related to war or republicans). Do you really feel comfortable with thinking a female ultraliberal from San Francisco may be one of the top politicians in the coming months? Is that who you want helping call the shots if things get real nasty? Do you think MOST Americans share the same views as this woman?

Saying Pelosi is a nice lady has nothing to do with hating Bush, war, or republicans. I don't hate Bush, or republicans. Matter of fact I respect Bush for what I have seen, he seems to be a good church going family man. I just don't agree with his views, or the way he tries to lead this country. I bird hunt with a couple of republicans. Being an old war dog, I can tell you, I do hate war! Any war, provoked, or unprovoked! I would hope everyone else did too!

PS. Art, you would be another republican I would hunt with, remember me offering to take you out ginseng hunting here at Cave Run? I never did hear from you! Maybe we can go next year! I did'nt dig any I found so it will still be there, only larger!

Art

10-10-2006, 06:50 AM

Rep Tom Reynolds(R) swears he told Hasert 11 months ago, then again 6 months ago about Foley, but Hasert denies it.You republicans have painted Pelosi as "ultraliberal" I agree she may be a little more liberal than I like, but she's not ultraliberal. And yes, I want someone who is'nt under the umbrella of a cover up for a child predator! I will take the one.........who for now, has shown more moral values!:D

She is an Ultraliberal and she will tell you so. If your only qualification for a leader is that they be ultraliberal and free from any scandal, past, present, or future then she might be the one for you.

The only values she shows are ultraliberal, west coast, anti-war values. As a red blooded American from KY, I don't think I can relate to anything about that woman.

grouser68

10-10-2006, 07:03 AM

She is an Ultraliberal and she will tell you so. If your only qualification for a leader is that they be ultraliberal and free from any scandal, past, present, or future then she might be the one for you.

The only values she shows are ultraliberal, west coast, anti-war values. As a red blooded American from KY, I don't think I can relate to anything about that woman.

Seems you guys on the right know more about her. I know one thing I can relate with her on, it's something she did'nt do! She did'nt cover - up for a child predator! And for what? A vote! Gimme a break!:D

deadaim

10-10-2006, 10:18 AM

marched in the gay pride parade in SF right behind the grand marshall of the parade a man who just happened to be for man and underage boy sexual relations actualy president of that organization how is that for Hypocracy ? How can she come out with all this " outrage" over Foley ? This is my big problem with the Liberals the '' DOUBLE STANDARD "

deadaim

10-10-2006, 10:31 AM

Individual Homosexual Perverts like Foley do not Represent my Party.

And we Denounce and Remove them, not Coddle and Re-Elected them like the Democrats did with Studds (D), or let them out of Prison like Clinton did with Reynolds (D), or have Fireside Chats with them like Larry King did Mary Kay Letourneau with her 2nd Grade Victim.

Is it Conservative Judges who let these Pedophiles off Lightly?...

Is it Conservatives who give them Jobs, as Je$$e Jack$on did Mel Reynolds (D) after Clinton let him out of Prison?...

There are going to be Perverts and Pedophiles on both Sides in a System as Large as ours...

The Difference is in how they are Treated.

That Difference is Obvious when you look at Studds (D) and Reynolds (D) and Foley (R).

To Deny the Difference, is to Deny Reality.

PhilpotHunter

10-10-2006, 11:36 AM

deadaim

10-10-2006, 12:03 PM

PhilpotHunter

10-10-2006, 12:23 PM

The same Democrats SCREAMING about Foley the homo with an underage child are the SAME Democrats that want GAY Boy Scout LEADERS!! and They also support NAMBLA with the help of the ACLU want to get the age of consent LOWERED so younger Boys can have legal sex with men!!! These are some of the Family Values of the Liberals.............Please do some research about your party BEFORE you vote and see if they are in line with your own beliefs and convictions......

Want young boys to legally have sex with men? Really. Show me the legistlation please.....

Your not going to get any arguments from me on gays. I'm in line with you on the issue. Difference is though, I'm not brainwashed enough to believe it is only a democrat thing. Now the proof is out there.

And you say that you ran him off when you found out he was gay? Try again. First thing, it looks like youguys knew about it since at least January, if not 2000. And, if you run all the gays out of your party you should probably start working on your openly gay representative in Arizona don't you think?

deadaim

10-10-2006, 12:38 PM

When Nancy Met Harry

By Jeffrey Lord
Published 10/5/2006 12:08:06 AM

The Pride Parade.

That's what it's called in San Francisco when the community gathers for a parade during the annual San Francisco Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Pride Celebration. It is, by all accounts, a wingding of a celebration, too. As the San Francisco Chronicle, the media sponsor of the Pride Parade, put it in their special section devoted to the celebration in 2001, the parade is "the granddaddy, grandma and grandtrannie of 'em all." (That would be trannie as in "transvestite.")

The paper, bursting with civic pride, was also pleased to publish the marching order of the parade and all its celebrants. It's quite a list. A who's who of San Francisco. Then Supervisor and now Democratic mayor Gavin Newsom, members of two Democratic Clubs, California Democratic legislators, the police, sheriff and fire departments and even the director of the Golden Gate Bridge were marching right alongside celebrants from Vulva University, The Stud Bar, and Leather Pride.

It is, in short, the San Francisco political establishment whooping it up with its constituents.

What interests in all of this in light of the unfolding scandal involving Florida Republican Rep. Mark Foley and his mind-boggling e-mails to a young House page are the participants in spots number 31 and 34 of the Pride Parade.

Celebrant number 31 was the late Harry Hay. Harry, it seems, was quite the guy. In fact, it is not too much to say that he was famous in San Francisco. He was famous not only as a founder of the gay rights movement, for his one-time relationship with actor Will Geer (who played Grandpa Walton on The Waltons TV series,) he was also known for being featured in the 1976 documentary film of gay life titled Word Is Out. When he died the following year after the parade, at 90, the New York Times Magazine featured him in "The Lives They Lived," its annual pictorial salute to famous Americans who had passed away during the preceding year. In addition to laudatory obits in both the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, the Chronicle did a considerably flattering obituary. "Harry Hay, gay rights pioneer, dies at 90." The paper favorably notes a number of things in Harry's life, including his left-leaning politics, his connection with the Communist Party in the 1930s and his founding of "The Mattachine Society," a group the Chronicle calls "the first sustained homosexual rights organization in the United States."

Fair enough. The Chronicle, however, left something else out of the obituary entirely. It was a very strong belief held by Harry Hay that, if one is to believe all the attention devoted to Harry on the Internet, was common knowledge in San Francisco.

Harry Hay was a fierce advocate of man/boy love. While The Chronicle simply ignored Harry's views, the North American Man/Boy Love Association was only too delighted to put up a collection of Harry's views on the need for young boys to have older men as sexual partners. Here's just a sample taken from a talk at a New York University forum sponsored by a campus gay group in 1983.

Said Harry: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world."

In short, San Francisco's beloved Harry Hay was a vigorous and well-known advocate of older men having sex with young boys. He was a fearless and quite famous advocate for Congressman Mark Foley's behavior.

Which makes one curious about the presence of marcher number 34 in the 2001 Pride Parade. Marching a mere three spots away from the famous Harry Hay, no doubt waving and smiling to the crowd, was, as the Chronicle logged her in the Official Guide and Program Parade Lineup: "U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi."

That would be now Democratic leader of the U.S. Congress and the candidate of the Democratic Party to be the next Speaker of the House of Representatives, the official third in line to be President of the United States.

Surely this is a different Rep. Nancy Pelosi from the one who currently has on her website as Minority Leader the following statement:

"Republican leaders admitted to knowing about Mr. Foley's abhorrent behavior for six months to a year and failed to protect the children in their trust. Republican Leaders must be investigated by the Ethics Committee and immediately questioned under oath."

Abhorrent behavior? If men having sex with children is "abhorrent behavior" then it seems it would be quite logical for a United States Congresswoman to stand up and protest the presence of one of its leading advocates having a place of honor in a civic parade -- a parade in which she herself would be marching mere steps behind him.

If Representative Pelosi took the time to condemn Harry Hay's presence in the Pride Parade, there is no evidence that I can find. Nor did she refuse to march in the parade as a protest of Mr. Hay. Nor did she issue a statement warning parents that they were bringing their kids to a parade where Mr. Hay was one of the featured attractions.

What Representative Pelosi chose to do instead -- as did much of civic San Francisco -- is blithely give a wink-and-a-nod to ole Harry and his interest in little boys.

Not only does a moment like this unintentionally reveal the mindset of what Representative Pelosi and her fellow Democrats may really think but can't -- yet -- support. (This is, after all, the city where now-Mayor Newsom took it upon himself to break new cultural ground by authorizing the performance of same-sex marriages -- in violation of California law.) It also raises the question of whether the acceptance of Harry Hay and his views is a snapshot of a larger, unspoken agenda that San Francisco Democrats want the national Democratic Party to eventually pursue when they return to a Congressional majority -- and the White House. After all, if Harry Hay's views were not only celebrated in a parade in San Francisco but were not even thought out-of-the-mainstream enough to draw the slightest protest from Ms. Pelosi, why should there be protests over a move to eventually change the laws about men having sex with boys in Pennsylvania or Missouri or Virginia?

There's two words for that kind of agenda.

"Abhorrent behavior."

deadaim

10-10-2006, 12:40 PM

Please do not throw rocks when you live in glass skyscrapers

PhilpotHunter

10-10-2006, 12:54 PM

Well, if you will carefully read that article that you posted, you will see that HArry Hay is a disgusting, pervert of a man, and the world is better off without him.
You will also notice that no where did it say that he was supported by Pelosi. That article is a spin job, pure and simply. The only facts in it aren't relevant, only a stepping stone to ponder a lot of what ifs.

This is just another example of the right trying to scare America into the "what if these people" had control, and it is pretty pathetic. But if you take it as fact, have fun in your delusional world.

But I'll finish with this......Damn, what a freakin sicko that guy was!:eek: :mad:

PhilpotHunter

10-10-2006, 12:56 PM

Please do not throw rocks when you live in glass skyscrapers

And my point to the "family values" party is the exact freaking thing:D Here you are throwing false rocks at the libs, when at this very moment your party is imploding because of higher ups HIDING a child predetor in their mix.

I can see the windows in your house breaking as we speak, but keep on smiling. I'm smiling too, all the way to the voting booth.:D Last I heard, a lot of your base has already stated they won't be coming out this year? And a lot of your base that is coming out is going to be sending a clear message to the right........who's smiling now?

deadaim

10-10-2006, 12:56 PM

That should not have been put on a pedistal even in that parade........

deadaim

10-10-2006, 12:58 PM

I think iI heard some of the same comments from you guys a couple of years ago........................................

PhilpotHunter

10-10-2006, 01:22 PM

I think iI heard some of the same comments from you guys a couple of years ago........................................

time will tell:D aint politics grand?

hillhntr

10-19-2006, 10:40 AM

hate to refresh this, but thought this story was interesting...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15329373/

A quote from the article states that the priest and Foley "loved each other like brothers" That's not exactly how I love my brother.