Montgomery/Gentry in L-ville

[raktrakr]

Think ol T-roy will show up in a loin cloth and blazing arrows?:eek: :D

[Art]

He might show up in state clothing.:D J/K, everyone knows that celebs get preferential treatment. A normal guy wouldn't do time for it so you know Troy will walk with less than a slap on the wrist.

[AteUp]

I got free tix so I'll let you know. Maybe he will have on a bear skin coat?:D

[ryan hickey]

I got free tix so I'll let you know. Maybe he will have on a bear skin coat?:D


OMG!:D can't help but laugh!!:D

still don't know what my boy was thinking...:confused:

[dorris]

someone really must hate you to give you those tickets they aint worth listening to .and anyone that does that i wouldnt support if hell froze over . :mad:



I got free tix so I'll let you know. Maybe he will have on a bear skin coat?:D

[kyhunter270]

Now Dorris, I think it is a little early to be bashing the boys and burning their records in the open...They make pretty good music and I like Eddie, let's wait and hear the rest of the story before we schedule the hog killing...Be fair to your fellow Kentuckians...:rolleyes:

[chuckf]

look who i saw having a good time together at the fair.

[Troy]

:D Dang it Chuck!! Why do you have to bring this Troy Gentry into the mix!! Lol!! Now thats some funny stuff right there. Even if it is at my expense!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!
Troy Gentry

[Pooge]

That is a classic Chuck. I have been laughing for the last 5 minutes.

[buckfever]

On top of this bear, I remember reading another story a few years ago about some Gentry guy killing a pet deer a few years ago that the owners called "Tinkerbell" b/c he was so cute and friendly. If I remember that story correctly, this Gentry guy shot this deer out of his truck window at night with a laser-sighted crossbow (might have been a machine gun???), while the deer was standing in the owners' back yard sucking on a milk bottle. Genry apparently made up some outlandish story about killing this deer under "fair chase" conditions at Fort Knox!!!! Imagine the nerve.

Here's a picture of Tinkerbell:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/buckfever6/tonygentrybuck1.jpg

[AteUp]

Just stumbled across this on the net!:D

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/terrygra/TroyRompolabuck.jpg

[AteUp]

It was a bad azz concert FWIW. If Troy is guilty, it was a real stupid move on his part. I'm sure not going to stop listening to their music though. Hell, good music is good music IMO. I'm not going to deprive myself of hearing it if I like it. I don't draw lines with music. If it's got a beat and sound that I like, I'll listen to it. I like a little of everything.

[buckfever]

It was a bad azz concert FWIW. If Troy is guilty, it was a real stupid move on his part. I'm sure not going to stop listening to their music though. Hell, good music is good music IMO. I'm not going to deprive myself of hearing it if I like it. I don't draw lines with music. If it's got a beat and sound that I like, I'll listen to it. I like a little of everything.

Not at all surprising.

Received this pic of AteUp at the recent Dixie Chicks concert sponsored by MoveOn.org. All his clapping must've been in response to some Anti-Bush comments. . . .

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/buckfever6/concert-content.jpg

[AteUp]

If I liked the Dixie Chicks music, I would still listen to them. Just don't care for their sound personally. They're idiots, but I don't yank the knob off the radio when they come on or anything.

[stanmanhale]

http://montgomerygentry.musiccitynetworks.com/index.htm?inc=5&news_id=8154

Here is a response....Troys side of the story and an explanation....

[Multidigits]

It was a bad azz concert FWIW. If Troy is guilty, it was a real stupid move on his part. I'm sure not going to stop listening to their music though. Hell, good music is good music IMO. I'm not going to deprive myself of hearing it if I like it. I don't draw lines with music. If it's got a beat and sound that I like, I'll listen to it. I like a little of everything.

Wonder if he knows jail house rock? He'll be a real hit in the pokey??

[ryan hickey]

u really think he's gonna do any time multi?

[Multidigits]

Not sure if he's the one they are after or if they just want his testimoney against the other turkey. One of them will serve time.

[massive horns]

I love the pics guys. Sorry troy, I can't help but laugh.

[buckfever]

Not sure if he's the one they are after or if they just want his testimoney against the other turkey. One of them will serve time.

Given the public release statement which states that Gentry killed the bear in a preserve (doesn't mention the size of the place) and that Gentry relied upon the representations of the guide, Gentry appears to be leaving the high fence guy, Greenly, out to dry and that Gentry is saving his own skin. I'd speculate that they're actually after the owner/operator and not the hunter.

Gentry's apparent reliance on what the guide told him would undercut any allegations that he conspired with Greenly to circumvent state tagging laws. The articles don't mention any pendant state law violations, so I guess he's not being accused of improperly tagging a deer under state law, but who knows????

[Multidigits]

Tagging violation, he transported the hide out of state. That Lacey. He mentioned to several that will testify against him that he was unsuccessful on his bear hunt, yet he had the hide from the tame bear sent to a Ky. taxidermist. He tagged the bear with his tag that he would have used if he had been successful on the wild hunt for that year. He's not dumb enough to not be able to figure out he's screwed. His only out at this point is to dump on the guide. Maybe the Feds will leave him alone like they did with Jimmy in Indiana, maybe not because Jimmy was never indicted. I'd say he's going to get either a fine or jail or both.

Here's his partner in crime' web site: Look like a like place to go bear hunting? http://www.minnesotawildlifeconnection.com/

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/15282711.htm

[Troy]

On top of this bear, I remember reading another story a few years ago about some Gentry guy killing a pet deer a few years ago that the owners called "Tinkerbell" b/c he was so cute and Her...

You forgot that I was drunk too!!!!!!!!!!!

[chuckf]

drunk driving huh!!

[buckfever]

You forgot that I was drunk too!!!!!!!!!!!

No, I didn't forget. I just figured people would automatically know that a bottle of Maddog was involved. After all, it was a Troy Gentry story.

[buckfever]

Tagging violation, he transported the hide out of state. That Lacey. He mentioned to several that will testify against him that he was unsuccessful on his bear hunt, yet he had the hide from the tame bear sent to a Ky. taxidermist. He tagged the bear with his tag that he would have used if he had been successful on the wild hunt for that year. He's not dumb enough to not be able to figure out he's screwed. His only out at this point is to dump on the guide. Maybe the Feds will leave him alone like they did with Jimmy in Indiana, maybe not because Jimmy was never indicted. I'd say he's going to get either a fine or jail or both.

Here's his partner in crime' web site: Look like a like place to go bear hunting? http://www.minnesotawildlifeconnection.com/

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/15282711.htm

I looked at that "photo" page of the website, and they've got a great photo of a bear on there. "Cubby" in a happier time perhaps?

I also saw where the preserve was only 80 acres. Not exactly a cage, but should provide some good fodder for the anti-highfencers for sure.

http://www.minnesotawildlifeconnection.com/mn_wildlife_pictures.html#menu

I understand what you're saying about the prior unsuccessful Minnesota bear hunt (and the possibility that he killed this penned bear to make it look like it was taken while on his other trip), but do you know whether it's illegal in Minnesota to shoot a bear in a high-fenced preserve? If MN hunters are permitted to shoot and tag bears that are in preserves, this article talking about how he was unsuccessful on his earlier fair chase MN hunt (and provided an interview stating as such) is just a red herring. Although I didn't go back and re-read everything, I thought he was only charged with conspiracy??? Maybe I just didn't read something closely enough, but if he could legally tag this bear then I don't think the conspiracy charge will hold up (which in turn would lead me to believe that they might just be using the negative publicity to get him to drop dime on his buddy).

[Multidigits]

You don't tagged privately OWNED farm animals with DNR wildlife tags and then take the animal to a check-in as a wild kill. That's fraud at a minimum. Not that he's charged with fraud, but he is charged with a Lacey violation. Most people might consider a tagging violation as pretty tame stuff, but the Federal wildlife guys don't play, and they don't care to bust the rich and famous. I remember a ex-Ky. Gov. that got caught with some expensive doves a few years ago. A better known case is Russ Bellar, filthy rich and renowned and still has friends in high places, yet he could not escape the Federal penalties. Looks like Gentry might know he's in deep, being that he's hired the "best lawyer in MN." to be on his side.

[buckfever]

You don't tagged privately OWNED farm animals with DNR wildlife tags and then take the animal to a check-in as a wild kill. That's fraud at a minimum. Not that he's charged with fraud, but he is charged with a Lacey violation. Most people might consider a tagging violation as pretty tame stuff, but the Federal wildlife guys don't play, and they don't care to bust the rich and famous. I remember a ex-Ky. Gov. that got caught with some expensive doves a few years ago. A better known case is Russ Bellar, filthy rich and renowned and still has friends in high places, yet he could not escape the Federal penalties. Looks like Gentry might know he's in deep, being that he's hired the "best lawyer in MN." to be on his side.

Hold on a second before you trot out the "fraud" label. A person shooting deer on a preserve here in KY could easily read KY regs as requiring them to check in the animal with KDFWR. A "deer" is defined as follows: "(9) "Deer" means a member of the species Odocoileus virginianus". Here's the regs regarding check-in:

. Section 8. Harvest Recording. Immediately after taking a deer, a person shall: (1) Record, in writing, the species, date taken, county where taken, and sex of the deer before moving the carcass from the site where taken. This information shall be logged and registered on one (1) of the following:
(a) Hunter’s log section on the reverse side of a license or permit;
(b) Hunter's log produced in a hunting guide;
(c) Hunter’s log printed from the Internet;
(d) Hunter’s log available from any KDSS agent; or
(e) An index card or reasonable facsimile thereof; and
(2) Retain the completed hunter’s log in his possession whenever the hunter is in the field during the current season.

Section 9. Checking a Deer. (1) A person shall check a harvested deer by:
(a) Calling the toll free number listed in the current fall hunting and trapping guide on the day the deer is harvested;
(b) Providing the information requested by the automated check-in system; and
(c) Writing the confirmation number given by the system on the hunter's log described in Section 8 of this administrative regulation.
(2) If a harvested deer leaves the possession of a hunter, the hunter shall attach a hand-made tag, which contains the confirmation number, hunter’s name, and a phone number, to the carcass.
(3) A person shall not knowingly provide false information when completing the hunter’s log, checking a deer, or creating a carcass tag.

Section 10. Transporting and Processing Deer. (1) A person shall:
(a) Not transport an unchecked deer out of Kentucky;
(b) Have proof that a deer or parts of deer brought into Kentucky were legally taken;
(c) Not submit deer taken outside Kentucky or in violation of any governing statute or administrative regulation for a state or national trophy deer listing; and
(d) Not sell deer hides except to a licensed:
1. Fur buyer;
2. Fur processor; or
3. Taxidermist.
(2) A taxidermist or other individual who commercially butchers deer shall:
(a) Not accept deer carcasses or any part of a deer without a proper carcass tag described in Section 9 of this administrative regulation.
(b) Keep accurate records of the hunter's name, address, confirmation number, and date received for each deer in his possession, and retain such records for a period of one (1) year.

Although there very well may be different regs that control high fence shoots, there is nothing in these regs which differentiates between a "wild" deer or a "captive" deer, so one could easily assume that you need to comply with these regs as well.

Seems to me that there are 2 questions at issue with this bear case: (a) Was it legal for TG to shoot this bear in a preserve?; and (b) If it was legal, what were the checking requirements in MN? Without knowing the answers to those questions, how can you possibly know what laws he broke?

If he legally killed this "privately" owned bear and there wasn't any special check-in requirements, the Feds are going to have a helluva time convincing a jury that he should be put in the slammer. Kind of a reverse poacher angle. "We normally prosecute those people that poach animals and fail to check them in. This time, we're prosecuting a guy for checking in a legally shot bear that wasn't required to be checked in."

[Multidigits]

According to the Statute, (and others) that you posted, everybody that shoots a Odocoileus virginianus on a game preserve in Ky. would need to do so by zone, by the limit set for the zone, and tag it in accordance to that statute. You know that isn't the case, so it's not pertinant to the situation.

I got a feeling the Federal officers involved in this case must have some reason to think a law has been broken for this to get a far as it has. Doesn't really matter what you think or what I kow at this point. Does it?

[buckfever]

According to the Statute, (and others) that you posted, everybody that shoots a Odocoileus virginianus on a game preserve in Ky. would need to do so by zone, by the limit set for the zone, and tag it in accordance to that statute. You know that isn't the case, so it's not pertinant to the situation.

I got a feeling the Federal officers involved in this case must have some reason to think a law has been broken for this to get a far as it has. Doesn't really matter what you think or what I kow at this point. Does it?

I don't know what the law requires in MN or KY regarding what's required for animals harvested in high fence preserves. I just know that KY's general hunting regs appear to require a preserve-harvested deer to be checked in, and it seems plausible that Troy Gentry (not our Troy but the singer Troy) may have believed the same thing about checking in bears in MN.

If it's illegal to shoot any bear behind a high-fence in MN then he'll probably be convicted of several offenses, certainly at the state level and possible at the federal level. He isn't charged with any direct violation of the Lacey Act though, he's being charged with "conspiracy". That suggests that there's more to case than what meets the eye.

[quackrstackr]

So if he didn't have to tag it and check it, what Lacey law violation has he made in shipping the bear to KY?

Maybe a state violation for fraudulently tagging a bear. Even at that, so their harvest number was actually off by one. Hardly a major offense. I don't see the guy doing hard time for that.

[buckfever]

So if he didn't have to tag it and check it, what Lacey law violation has he made in shipping the bear to KY?

Maybe a state violation for fraudulently tagging a bear. Even at that, so their harvest number was actually off by one. Hardly a major offense. I don't see the guy doing hard time for that.

I guess the $64,000 question is whether it was illegal to shoot a penned deer in the first place.

Makes me wonder if ol' Dan Haggerty would've faced hard time if he put a spear into Ben during an episode of Grizzly Adams???

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/buckfever6/grizzandbear.jpg

[Multidigits]

So if he didn't have to tag it and check it, what Lacey law violation has he made in shipping the bear to KY?

Maybe a state violation for fraudulently tagging a bear. Even at that, so their harvest number was actually off by one. Hardly a major offense. I don't see the guy doing hard time for that.

Yes, it was a state violation to tag the bear as a wild kill and check it in as such. When he left the state with the bear or shipped it or how ever it got to Ky., then he violated the Lacey Act by transporting a animals that was tagged illegally. Again, sure it's minor to you, not to the Federal agents that have been working this case for nearly two years. Federal offense usually have mandated sentances with minimum jail times that can't be amended down. Ask Martha Stewert about that.

[quackrstackr]

But if it didn't really require a tag anyway, was it really illegally tagged?

Falsely reporting a bear kill maybe? Would they throw you in jail if you had a bear tag and you just called in and said you killed one when you really didn't? Same kind of thing I would think.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Multidigits]

But if it didn't really require a tag anyway, was it really illegally tagged?

Falsely reporting a bear kill maybe? Would they throw you in jail if you had a bear tag and you just called in and said you killed one when you really didn't? Same kind of thing I would think.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

I guess the Federal Grand Jury that brought the charges down must not agree???

[dorris]

what all this boils down to is some dont belive its right to kill a pen raised domesticated bear its wrong or is it ? i dont think it should be legal for a domesticated animal that is naturaly wild to be bought and shot for pleasure or bragin rights its down right bullsh?t . hes no better than the crap i scraped off of my shoe for doing that , what fear did that bear have of humans when as?hole walked up and put the arrow through him bet they didnt even eat the meat . his a jerk and i wouldnt listen to there music and support them by buying it for nothing . :mad:

[maxcam]

Tell us how your really feel Dorris! :D

[Art]

From what I hear the Fed's were in town a few months back doing some intense interviewing/ interrogation. Without going into detail the fed's were VERY serious about this investigation to the point where you would think they were investigating a murder..

I still don't think he'll spend a day in jail but he's really got himself into some trouble on a federal level. He'll probably pay a $10,000 fine and be ordered to play a concert for charity.

[im-back]

look who i saw having a good time together at the fair.


I really dont find that funny at all:rolleyes: kinda mean to photshop your pals

[30WCF]

If it was a legal owned bear there would be no crime in killing it, its not like its an endangered species.
Seems like the only crime to me would be putting a tag on it thats wasnt required anyway, like quackr said. I would think that would be a state charge at the most so what brings the federal charges involved is where I'm confused. Do bear require a federal tag like migratory game birds or is it illegal to transport the bear to KY, why is it a federal charge?

[Multidigits]

Interstate commerce in wildlife makes it Federal. Black bear are on the CITES list, so he probably had to get it check as a wild animal to get the permit to pass it off as a wild kill. Just speculating on the last part. I'm fairly sure the Feds have an idea what he did to be inviolation?

[chuckf]

I really dont find that funny at all kinda mean to photshop your pals




yeah, just wait till i get your pics up here.