View Full Version : Singer Troy Gentry's bear?
grouser68
08-16-2006, 07:35 AM
Wkyt 27 just reported this morning that allegedly Troy bought a tame bear, then shot it with an arrow, then used a Mn. tag on it. Say it aint' so Troy! Anyone know, or heard the real scoop on this?
Duster
08-16-2006, 07:47 AM
Looks like from all the reports he messed up big time by putting a tag on a tame bear. Just another case of semi high fence hunting where you pick and shoot. It's sad the $$$ won out over brains. Why not admit you killed a caged tame bear if thats what you did except for ego purposes. Being federal charges he might get bit on this. Probably no jail time but a hefty fine and probation which he can handle easy with all the $$$ he makes.
Strutter
08-16-2006, 08:37 AM
Not sure how semi high fenced it was. The news report I saw said he shot the bear in the cage it lived in. To me a cage is different than a fenced in area. If it's true, I hope they give him a real big fine and some jail time. Money means nothing to rich folk. Let him set in jail awhile and think it over. Same goes for the guy that sold it to him.
trust me
08-16-2006, 08:38 AM
Another black eye for all hunters. Why do people do this dumb stuff?
Willie
08-16-2006, 08:52 AM
Country star charged with killing tame bear in pen
The incident in Sandstone, Min., was videotaped and edited to make it appear that the bear had been shot in a "fair chase," charges say.
John Reinan, Star Tribune
Last update: August 15, 2006 – 11:48 PM
The singing duo Montgomery Gentry made its name in country music with such hits as "Good Clean Fun."
But according to a federal indictment unsealed Tuesday, there was nothing good or clean about the death of a tame bear named Cubby at the hands of Troy Lee Gentry.
Gentry, half of the singing pair, bought the "trophy-caliber" bear for $4,650 from Lee Marvin Greenly, owner of the Minnesota Wildlife Connection in Sandstone, according to the charges filed in federal court in Duluth.
Gentry, 39, and Greenly, 46, made their first court appearances before U.S. Magistrate Judge Raymond Erickson in Duluth on Tuesday and were released on bond.
The charges said Gentry killed the bear with a bow and arrow in October 2004 while it was enclosed in a pen on Greenly's property.
Greenly refused to comment on the incident Tuesday, and a spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office said she didn't know how large the pen was.
An adult black bear normally weighs 250 to 350 pounds. Cubby had been raised in captivity and was housed at the Wildlife Connection, a private preserve that bills itself as a place where animal lovers can photograph creatures in the wild.
After the kill, Gentry and Greenly allegedly tagged the bear with a Minnesota hunting license and registered it with the state Department of Natural Resources as if it had been killed in the wild.
The kill was videotaped and later edited to make it appear that Gentry had killed the bear in a "fair chase" hunting situation, the indictment said. The hide was sent to a taxidermist in Kentucky.
"I don't know all the details on what has been said," Greenly said Tuesday. "You're the first person who has really said anything about it to me."
A spokesman for Gentry, who lives in Franklin, Tenn., said he couldn't comment.
Montgomery Gentry has been a top country act since the late '90s, with two No. 1 singles and a string of gold albums.
Gentry was charged with conspiracy to falsely label the animal. Greenly also was charged with two unrelated crimes for allegedly setting up bear-baiting stations and hunting stands in the Sandstone National Wildlife Refuge, then guiding a client there to kill two black bears in 2005.
Fine or prison possible
The charges against the men carry a maximum fine of $20,000 and as long as five years in prison.
The black bear population in Minnesota is healthy, and the state encourages hunting as a way to control it, said DNR spokesman Mark LaBarbara. The department issued 13,670 bear licenses in 2004 and hunters killed 3,391 bears.
"But there's no question that the state does not condone shooting a pen-raised bear," LaBarbara said.
Ok fella's can someone please change the name of this thread to "Country Music Star Troy Gentry" or something like that. My phone hasn't stopped ringing all morning!! I went to Canada in May and killed a bear on camera and everybody is associating this with me, which isn't good!! Please change the name. I will send a pm to the thread starter as well. Thanks in advance!!!
The other Troy Gentry
trust me
08-16-2006, 09:38 AM
Ok fella's can someone please change the name of this thread to "Country Music Star Troy Gentry" or something like that...
The other Troy Gentry
Being a celebrity sucks, don't it?:D
I suggest you change your avatar to one with a full face picture so that no one here will think you are the evil twin.
im-back
08-16-2006, 09:42 AM
WHEW, I didnt see willie's post when I first read this thread. Glad to see it wasnt the troy "god im pretty" gentry I know. I knew there had to be a good explanation. I didnt want to see the non-star troy gentry's good name get slung through the mud.
Being a celebrity sucks, don't it?:D
I suggest you change your avatar to one with a full face picture so that no one here will think you are the evil twin.
:D
I cannot believe that Troy would do that!! That is not good for the sport at all!! I hope there is more to this then we are hearing!!
Ok fella's can someone please change the name of this thread to "Country Music Star Troy Gentry" or something like that. My phone hasn't stopped ringing all morning!! I went to Canada in May and killed a bear on camera and everybody is associating this with me, which isn't good!! Please change the name. I will send a pm to the thread starter as well. Thanks in advance!!!
The other Troy Gentry
Singer Troy Gentry's bear?
How's that? When I saw this today I had to wonder?
BTW, I hope you can't sing.:D
Thank you! I appreciate that. I was about to get fired because of all the personal phone calls! Lol!
By the way, I couldn't carry a tune in a 5 gallon bucket!!!:D
daking
08-16-2006, 09:58 AM
Shades of Jimmy Houston!
This is why high fence hunting is bad for the sport. It projects an image of some very high profile people who represent our sport in the eye of the public of killers rather than hunters.
It's not always about what you have a RIGHT to do but about what you OUGHT to do.
http://www.startribune.com/462/story/616735.html as a hunting community, IMO we do not need any more of this Jimmy Houston-type publicity ...if this was sponsored by a hunting products copmpany, they should be called on the carpet too, by us as consumers, as they have the power of the purse and can stop this video nonsense in a heartbeat if they will apply some sponsorship rules of fair chase. Or otherwise say"the animal was shot in an enclosure" and I , for one, would never buy their products agin.
keith meador
08-16-2006, 10:01 AM
proves once again with enough money you can buy as much trouble as you want.......
skin_dog1
08-16-2006, 10:10 AM
too bad! He could afford to hunt the biggest wild bears in the world.
lymanl3
08-16-2006, 10:26 AM
"If True".....Idiot..hope he gets what he deserves....hasnt he heard of Jimmy Houston?? He will no longer receive my support.:(
Lyman
ryan hickey
08-16-2006, 10:32 AM
my first decent bartending gig was at the grapevine, a little hole in the wall type joint that troy gentry THE SINGER's dad used to own. i pretty well watched troy over the last ten years get famous. we have hunted together before - i assure u it was fair chase:rolleyes: . we used to hunt turkeys on john michael's place. hey, i'm rhymin now, maybe i should right a song;) ?
i just plain can't believe he did something this stupid? don't make any sense to me. if he was gonna pay to shoot a bear then y didn't he make sure it would be a legal effort? if he did this the way they say he did then its just downright shameful - as well as stupid:confused: :(
WildmanWilson
08-16-2006, 01:20 PM
I think this is a good thing. It shines a light on the kind of hunter that hunts penned animals and shows the world just how pitiful this kind of "hunting" really is. The more bad press these "hunters" and these operations get the better. Maybe this will help others thinking of doing the same realize how bad it is. Then we can put these sorry operations out of business.
I hope they throw the book at Troy even though he is a Kentucky boy. He should know better.
Hammer
08-16-2006, 02:03 PM
when I saw this thread title I thought of the Troy that posts here and killed the high rack at Ft. Knox. Glad it's not you! That's a bad case of mistaken identity!
KY_Fried
08-16-2006, 02:20 PM
If you're going to kill a bear in a pen you should have to do it with your bare hands. Any other method is pathetic.
ryan hickey
08-16-2006, 02:24 PM
If you're going to kill a bear in a pen you should have to do it with your bare hands. Any other method is pathetic.
not sure who it is on here that made this quote but i agree 100% with it.
"i got nothing against people killing an animal behind a fence, its killing an animal behind a fence and calling it hunting that bothers me"
pretty well sums up how i feel about it. i can't believe somebody i have hunted with before did this!?
JSI Kodiak
08-16-2006, 02:32 PM
It shouldn't suprise anybody.If he was dumb enough to drink and drive than why not add on another stupid act!!
BOBCAT
08-16-2006, 03:47 PM
CHUCK F PLEASE TAKE THAT PICTURE DOWN THAT IS NOT THE TROY GENTRY THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT. THE TROY IN QUESTION SINGS FOR THE COUNTRY BAND MONTGOMERY- GENTRY.
JSI. IT WASN'T EITHER ONE OF THE TROYS WHO GOT A DUI....IT WAS JOHN MICHAEL MONTGOMERY WHO IS THE OLDER BROTHER TO EDDIE MONTGOMERY WHO SINGS IN THE GROUP MONTGOMERY GENTRY,,,,,,,,hence the name MONTGOMERY-GENTRY
AGAIN THE TROY IN QUESTION IS NOT THE ONE WE ALL KNOW FROM HERE AND KILLING THAT MONSTER OVER AT FORT KNOX !!!!!!!
skin_dog1
08-16-2006, 03:47 PM
It shouldn't suprise anybody.If he was dumb enough to drink and drive than why not add on another stupid act!!
Wrong guy buddy! That was his partners brother John Michael Montgomery that got popped with the DUI.
chuckf
08-16-2006, 03:56 PM
hey bobcat, calm down. just having a little fun with a friend of mine. i know wich troy it was.
CHUCK F PLEASE TAKE THAT PICTURE DOWN THAT IS NOT THE TROY GENTRY THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT. THE TROY IN QUESTION SINGS FOR THE COUNTRY BAND MONTGOMERY- GENTRY.
JSI. IT WASN'T EITHER ONE OF THE TROYS WHO GOT A DUI....IT WAS JOHN MICHAEL MONTGOMERY WHO IS THE OLDER BROTHER TO EDDIE MONTGOMERY WHO SINGS IN THE GROUP MONTGOMERY GENTRY,,,,,,,,hence the name MONTGOMERY-GENTRY
AGAIN THE TROY IN QUESTION IS NOT THE ONE WE ALL KNOW FROM HERE AND KILLING THAT MONSTER OVER AT FORT KNOX !!!!!!!
Hey Bobcat,
Chuck knew it wasn't me he was just razzing me about it. He is good friends with John Michael, Eddie and the other Troy as well as me! He's a good guy, it was an inside joke. Thanks for defending me so quick though, it is much appreciated!!
Troy Gentry
BOBCAT
08-16-2006, 04:15 PM
sorry chuck , I'm sorry I spoke out of turn, it is just a shame that "our" Troy has to go thru this name thing.
Troy we met 2 years ago at the strader show and you were very kind to my daughter and myself at the bbbc booth. Thank you for that and don't let this name thing get you down.:mad:
grouser68
08-16-2006, 05:32 PM
I am so sorry Troy Gentry the non-singer about the name mix up. I meant Troy Gentry the singer, not the Troy Gentry, the man that can't carry a tune in a bucket, the Troy that could'nt sing his way out of a paper bag, the Troy that can't sing a lick, the Troy that makes the dogs howl when he sings in the shower! :D Oops, did I go overboard?;) On a serious note........Sorry Troy!
No problem bud, I am sure I was the farthest thing from your mind when you posted this. My wife about died laughing when she read your last post!!
Multidigits
08-16-2006, 07:49 PM
If you're going to kill a bear in a pen you should have to do it with your bare hands. Any other method is pathetic.
I wrestled one at the State Fair one time, they are a lot tougher than they look!
skin_dog1
08-16-2006, 07:53 PM
I wrestled one at the State Fair one time, they are a lot tougher than they look!
That explains alot!
Multidigits
08-16-2006, 08:20 PM
That explains alot!
Weren't any college kiddos around so the bear got the blunt of it. :D
Multidigits
08-16-2006, 08:38 PM
http://www.kare11.com/video/player.aspx?aid=31890&bw
JSI Kodiak
08-16-2006, 09:13 PM
Don't you all remember a few years back when the singer Troy Gentry of Montgomery-Gentry got a DUI?I will try to find it and post it up.I know John Michael just got in trouble this year,heck I work in Lexington so I hear it all.We are down at the Police Dept and the Clerks office all the time so we can find out alot of info.I distinctly remember because my ex-girlfriend spent alot of her earlier days around the Montgomery's and the Gentry's and after we heard Troy got a DUI it turned us off of the group.If memory serves me no jail time was served.It figures he will proably get time for killing the bear instead.
I know for a fact that Troy Gentry has got at least one DUI because it happened while one of my best friends was with him after a night of drinking at The Grapevine. Of course John Michael got one too recently which i'm sure wasn't his first either.
My take on this is that it doesn't matter if you are rich and famous, you can still act like an idiot. Troy isn't the first and he won't be the last.
skin_dog1
08-17-2006, 01:09 AM
Sorry, I guess I should've checked first.
Don't you all remember a few years back when the singer Troy Gentry of Montgomery-Gentry got a DUI?I will try to find it and post it up.I know John Michael just got in trouble this year,heck I work in Lexington so I hear it all.We are down at the Police Dept and the Clerks office all the time so we can find out alot of info.I distinctly remember because my ex-girlfriend spent alot of her earlier days around the Montgomery's and the Gentry's and after we heard Troy got a DUI it turned us off of the group.If memory serves me no jail time was served.It figures he will proably get time for killing the bear instead.
kyhunter270
08-17-2006, 05:27 AM
I would say it is safe to say all three have been in the Fayette Co. clink more than once, the last time T.L.G. was in was when they were first getting big. He spent all of about 45 minutes downtown and was out. He also has a brother who is becoming a semi-regular....:confused:
I would say it is safe to say all three have been in the Fayette Co. clink more than once, the last time T.L.G. was in was when they were first getting big. He spent all of about 45 minutes downtown and was out. He also has a brother who is becoming a semi-regular....:confused:
No doubt.;) I've heard many stories about these 3 guys back in their bar days that would make their actions today seem.....well, not so bad.:D
john4
08-17-2006, 08:46 AM
I'm from MN (that explains a lot doesn't it :) ) and I'll tell ya, if this guy is guilty of this the punishment will be severe. It doesn't matter who you are up there, the DNR (Department of Natural Resources) does not play!!! The state of MN relies on tourism of sportsman both hunters and fisherman as a major source of revenue. I would not be surprised one bit if this guy does some time, if he is indeed found guilty. Oh, and MN does not have Parole, so if he gets sentenced to 1 year, he does 1 year. Ofcouse, that also makes for a lot of people getting sentenced to probation, so we'll have to wait and see.
trust me
08-17-2006, 09:29 AM
If this had happened in Kentucky, I could see him getting a wink and a nod and getting off light. But up in MN he isn't a hometown boy, so he may have to face the music, so to speak. Personally, I think jail is for dangerous people that can't be trusted to walk the streets with the rest of us, and whacking a pet bear doesn't really make Gentry Public Enemy #1, so probation, a heavy fine, and community service would seem to be the way to go in my opinion. Seeing a big country music star picking up trash along the highway with the news cameras rolling might make a poacher stop and think.
I don't know Gentry and don't have a clue about what kind of person he is, but I hope he's a stand up guy that will quietly take his medicine and make the best of it. He's done a disservice to his fellow sportsmen and that alone should make his head hang low. How he handles his punishment will determine how quickly the public forgives him.
As one guy told me, "When you get caught screwing the neighbor's dog, life can't get any worse. How you handle the aftermath determines if it gets any better or not."
Makes sense to me!
Multidigits
08-17-2006, 10:49 AM
He's facing Federal charges as well. Could get serious time in the pokey, mandated to serve by Federal law.
Theyll probally make him do a concert in Mich. with the proceeds going to the DNR.
john4
08-17-2006, 03:26 PM
Theyll probally make him do a concert in Mich. with the proceeds going to the DNR.
Why would they make him do a concert in Michigan? The incident took place up der' in Minnesota Don't cha' know:)
Pooge
08-17-2006, 03:27 PM
Do yankees even like country music?
daking
08-17-2006, 04:42 PM
You bet they do. Walked into a bar in Torrington Ct and was greeted by Hank Jr.
This guy Gentry is why high fence hunting will eventually kill our sport.
buckfever
08-17-2006, 05:35 PM
You bet they do. Walked into a bar in Torrington Ct and was greeted by Hank Jr.
This guy Gentry is why high fence hunting will eventually kill our sport.
Hmmm. . . .hold on a second there Terr. . . .You appear to be judging this fellow and proclaiming him the anti-Christ/grim reaper of sport hunting before he's even set foot in a court room.
Wasn't it you who accused me of being "judge, jury and executioner" and failing to let the "system run its course" about a different issue?
daking
08-17-2006, 06:00 PM
No, not at all, Buck.
The publicity surrounding this matter is killing us all. A famous guy goes out and does something that brings our entire sport into question does endanger the sport. Whether or not he's convicted, we've got a black eye.
The two situations are in no way analagous.
Why must you always make your point (no matter how valid or invalid) with some sort of ad hominem attack?
buckfever
08-17-2006, 06:15 PM
This guy Gentry is why high fence hunting will eventually kill our sport.
I suspect that Mr. Gentry might also consider this an ad hominem personal attack considering that none of us really knows jack about this case other than what's been trumpeted in the media.
And before you had my thread yanked, I recall several unkind words you directly at me personally, despite the fact that I had personally heard the matters of which I spoke.
I'll edit my last post to remove the last part. I didn't think I was making an "ad hominem" attack on you, but I apologize if it read that way.
I think you understood my past point. It was simply that I believe that people are entitled to make their own judgments about events when they are armed with enough facts to make an informed judgment. I'm not sure if the same can be said here, given the typical anti-hunting media's penchant to bash "hunting" at every turn.
I'm just not sure if I believe this story as written. . . If it is true, then I'd probably agree with your assessment.
Anybody want to bet that he doesn't spend one hour in jail? Last time I checked money is worth just as much in MN as it is in KY. That's all you need to get out of trouble, sad but true.
aceoky
08-17-2006, 08:39 PM
Hey Art, WB .......finally get your truck out of the mud??? :D :D :D
Seriously welcome back dude!
Multidigits
08-17-2006, 08:43 PM
The Lacey Act is serious business. Russ Bellar said he wouldn't serve time either but he is, his money and influience in high places did him no good.
Willie
08-17-2006, 08:43 PM
I went back and read the article I posted and the news video that Multi posted and I never read or heard either say a word about hunting except that Gentry tried to pass this tame bear off as a wild bear taken in fair chase.
I don't think we took a hit on this one. The ARFs might try and play this up, but I don't think they will get a lot of mileage out of it.
This is just another case of a big ego trip to put something on the wall.
This is just the very tip of the iceberg.....
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Hey Art, WB .......finally get your truck out of the mud??? :D :D :D
Seriously welcome back dude!
My truck is out, the rest of me is still in.:( :D
Multidigits
08-17-2006, 08:49 PM
I doubt news report such as this do anyone any good???? I guess the good thing is that it was named Chubby instead of Teddy?
Country Star Faces Charges For Killing Bear
POSTED: 8:57 am PDT August 16, 2006
DULUTH, Minn. -- Country singer Troy Lee Gentry appeared in U.S. District Court in Duluth Tuesday, accused of killing a tame black bear that federal officials say he tagged as killed in the wild.
Gentry, 39, of Franklin, Tenn., and Lee Marvin Greenly, 46, of Sandstone, are both indicted for conspiring to violate the Lacey Act by falsely tagging a tame black bear as killed in the wild.
Gentry is half of the singing duo Montgomery Gentry, a top country act since the late 1990s.
Authorities allege that Gentry purchased the bear from Greenly, a wildlife photographer and hunting guide who owns the Minnesota Wildlife connection in Sandstone.
According to the charges, Gentry shot the bear in an enclosed pen with a bow and arrow, then allegedly arranged for the doctoring of a videotape of the alleged "wild" kill.
Gentry and Greenly made their initial appearances Tuesday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Raymond Erickson in connection with a sealed indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Minneapolis in July.
The government alleged that Gentry and Greenly tagged the dead bear, killed on Greenly's property in October 2004, with a Minnesota hunting license and registered the animal with the state Department of Natural Resources as a wild kill.
According to the indictment, Gentry paid about $4,650 for the bear, named "Cubby." The bear's death was videotaped, and the tape later edited so Gentry appeared to shoot the bear in a "fair chase" hunting situation, the government alleged.
If convicted, both Gentry and Greenly face a maximum penalty of five years in federal prison and a $20,000 fine.
Greenly also was charged with two unrelated crimes related to his work as a licensed commercial bear guide. The indictment alleges that Greenly and his employees guided commercial hunting clients onto the Sandstone National Wildlife Refuge, where he set up bear-baiting stations and hunting stands. In 2005, one of his clients shot and killed two black bear in the refuge, where it's illegal to hunt black bear, the indictment alleges.
Greenly refused to comment Tuesday. A spokesman for Gentry said he couldn't comment.
Minnesota's black bear population is healthy and the state encourages hunting as a way to control it, said DNR spokesman Mark LaBarbara. The department said hunters killed 3,391 bears in 2004.
"But there's no question that the state does not condone shooting a pen-raised bear," LaBarbara said.
oneshootkid
08-18-2006, 03:01 AM
ok,I said this much about the whole thing,I work in trucking and I hunt,we are so much a like for 1.the public is out to get both...if you thank,I am wrong,thank about this hunt and truckers both thier own worst problem.and you NEVER hear the good that either one dose,alway the bad then we dwell on it.now I give you something to thank about..and I DO'NT THANK ANY OF WAS THERE,SO WHY ARE WE PASSING JUDGEMENT TILL,THEY RELEASE ALL THE FACTS..
ok,I said this much about the whole thing,I work in trucking and I hunt,we are so much a like for 1.the public is out to get both...if you thank,I am wrong,thank about this hunt and truckers both thier own worst problem.and you NEVER hear the good that either one dose,alway the bad then we dwell on it.now I give you something to thank about..and I DO'NT THANK ANY OF WAS THERE,SO WHY ARE WE PASSING JUDGEMENT TILL,THEY RELEASE ALL THE FACTS..
I'm in the transportation industy too. I say that if the public is against truckers then they are just misinformed about how the country runs.
In Troy's case, I don't think we had to be there. I think there is enough evidence to pretty much tell us all that this isn't some misunderstanding. I have yet to see anyone on his side deny anything, plus there is video tape.
Let's face it, he may be a country music hero to some but he screwed up on this one. Afterall, he buys other peoples songs to sing to make himself famous and this deal with the bear seems right on par with that. I don't care who you are if you do someting stupid, unfair, and unethical then you should be punished. Rest assured that he will get a slap on the wrist compared to if a poor old man had done the same thing.
buckfever
08-18-2006, 10:16 AM
I'm in the transportation industy too. I say that if the public is against truckers then they are just misinformed about how the country runs.
In Troy's case, I don't think we had to be there. I think there is enough evidence to pretty much tell us all that this isn't some misunderstanding. I have yet to see anyone on his side deny anything, plus there is video tape.
Let's face it, he may be a country music hero to some but he screwed up on this one. Afterall, he buys other peoples songs to sing to make himself famous and this deal with the bear seems right on par with that. I don't care who you are if you do someting stupid, unfair, and unethical then you should be punished. Rest assured that he will get a slap on the wrist compared to if a poor old man had done the same thing.
Art - You've already convicted this guy. He may be guilty. He may not. This happened in 2004, so it's not like they caught him red-handed. The fact that federal charges were brought leads me to believe that they have some solid evidence, but none of us know anything more than what's been alleged.
"Afterall, he buys other peoples songs to sing to make himself famous and this deal with the bear seems right on par with that." And what's up with that comment? If I read this correctly, you seem to be suggesting that he lacks ethics and is a fame-seeker just b/c he didn't write the songs he sings. No offense, but that's just stupid.
ryan hickey
08-18-2006, 10:48 AM
well said bf, and in art's defense, he ain't the only one who has already convicted troy - alot of folks on the site (and other places) have as well. i'm not condoning this type of BS, but lets wait til he's been convicted before we start the crucifixion :) .
remember, the anti's are watching.....
Art - You've already convicted this guy. He may be guilty. He may not. This happened in 2004, so it's not like they caught him red-handed. The fact that federal charges were brought leads me to believe that they have some solid evidence, but none of us know anything more than what's been alleged.
"Afterall, he buys other peoples songs to sing to make himself famous and this deal with the bear seems right on par with that." And what's up with that comment? If I read this correctly, you seem to be suggesting that he lacks ethics and is a fame-seeker just b/c he didn't write the songs he sings. No offense, but that's just stupid.
I've not convicted him of anything yet. All I'm saying is that there is enough evidence to say that there's a VERY good chance that this did happen. It seems pretty straight forward to me. I don't think I'm off the wall so much as a guy who claims that this is could all be a big lie and he may not have done this.
My analogy to country music wasn't meant as a slam on Troy. I was just drawing a parallel to the country music industry and rich "so called" hunters. They do buy their success to an extent. It may be stupid to you- don't know, don't care. I have little respect for either industry if you can't tell. Either way it's not really my business. I just know it's a horrible black eye on the sport. It's just another example of people trying to buy success in hunting when they can't get it on their own. I know Troy is one hell of a good guy, but this was wrong and I can't take up for his actions just because of who he is.
kentucky_redneck
08-18-2006, 10:44 PM
I've hunted squirrel's in a cow pasture once or 3 times , so does that make me a high fence hunter also? lol
WhiteRubi
08-21-2006, 02:37 PM
I suspect that Mr. Gentry might also consider this an ad hominem personal attack considering that none of us really knows jack about this case other than what's been trumpeted in the media.
And before you had my thread yanked, I recall several unkind words you directly at me personally, despite the fact that I had personally heard the matters of which I spoke.
I'll edit my last post to remove the last part. I didn't think I was making an "ad hominem" attack on you, but I apologize if it read that way.
I think you understood my past point. It was simply that I believe that people are entitled to make their own judgments about events when they are armed with enough facts to make an informed judgment. I'm not sure if the same can be said here, given the typical anti-hunting media's penchant to bash "hunting" at every turn.
I'm just not sure if I believe this story as written. . . If it is true, then I'd probably agree with your assessment.
I dare say that some of the people here know more than what the media has "trumped up." I don't know shit from Shinola, but I know more than what the media has said.
Whether he is guilty of a crime or not, the negative publicity doesn't help the sport. Buying and shooting a bear may be legal, but it sure ain't ethical, in my book.
buckfever
08-21-2006, 03:31 PM
I dare say that some of the people here know more than what the media has "trumped up." I don't know shit from Shinola, but I know more than what the media has said.
Whether he is guilty of a crime or not, the negative publicity doesn't help the sport. Buying and shooting a bear may be legal, but it sure ain't ethical, in my book.
What exactly would the "people here" know more about than was reported in the media?
If Gentry killed this bear in a pen and then claimed to have "hunted" it, then I would agree with you that he's a liar and unethical. On the other hand, if he just shot this bear because he wanted a nice bear skin rug (and didn't claim that he hunted it) then I don't really have a problem with his actions any more than I have a problem with somebody killing 25 farm-raised chinchillas to make a fur coat.
WhiteRubi
08-21-2006, 05:27 PM
What exactly would the "people here" know more about than was reported in the media?
If Gentry killed this bear in a pen and then claimed to have "hunted" it, then I would agree with you that he's a liar and unethical. On the other hand, if he just shot this bear because he wanted a nice bear skin rug (and didn't claim that he hunted it) then I don't really have a problem with his actions any more than I have a problem with somebody killing 25 farm-raised chinchillas to make a fur coat.
I'd rather not get into the details. I know that what was done is unethical, to me. I don't claim to know the law but if what has been posted about the law is true, he broke the law as well.
Best case scenario...He took the word of someone that led him astray. It is EVERY hunters responsibility to know the laws, rules, and regulations. To me, it's just as irresponsible as taking a gun or bow into the woods that has never been shot...irresponsible.
I'm not trying to argue with you or anybody else. Just putting up my 2 cents.
What exactly would the "people here" know more about than was reported in the media?
I cannot comment due to the ongoing investigation.;)
WhiteRubi
08-21-2006, 08:28 PM
I cannot comment due to the ongoing investigation.;)
umm, yep!!!! :D
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