cva optima pro break-action/209 primer

[ez]

anyone own one?.......used one?...........is this better then the "huntsman"?..........i read all info on the "huntsman".......the thing i like about the cva piece is the r/l stoc, since i am left-handed.........comments welcome.............ez

[shogan]

Now why isn't the huntsman for lefties.

Did you go into the HR forum and read about what the owners were saying about huntsman.

Sorry I dont know anything about CVA.

[Wildcat]

ez,
I've been looking at it for the same reason, I shoot left hand. I started to get an Encore a couple years ago but then heard about their twist and they changed the Encores twist last year to 1 in 28 like most of the other MZ's so I was getting ready to order a Encore when I saw the Optima. I'm thinking about getting the Optima Pro with the long barrel.

[Multidigits]

I'd recommend the Savage, unless you just like cleaning up black powder residue????

[REGULAR JOE]

What's the significants of break action? I've seen them, read about them but haven't really noticed if the reviews were all that favorable with the exception of the paid endorsers. It "looks" like a great concept but there always seems to be a flaw to new items.

Mother nature can be more nurturing than a child's natural mother.

[l_c_s]

I have an Optima. I have shot it about 15 times. It seems to be a pretty good shooting ML for the money. It is pretty consistent.

[ez]

is the savage still considered a primative weapon??........ez

[ez]

is the savage still considered a primative weapon??........ez

[raktrakr]

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<br />What's the significants of break action? I've seen them, read about them but haven't really noticed if the reviews were all that favorable with the exception of the paid endorsers. It "looks" like a great concept but there always seems to be a flaw to new items.

Mother nature can be more nurturing than a child's natural mother.
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the only flaw i see is noone's buying my firebolt ultramag so i can buy the optima[:D]


raktrakr
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[ez]

looking at some pictures..........how easy is it to pull back the hammertrigger with a scope on?...........the scope and trigger seem and look pretty close.............ez

[l_c_s]

ez,
It not a problem, there is a knurlled pin that threades into the side of the hammer. I just pull back using it, it is offset enoug that even with gloves there's is no interference.

[l_c_s]

ez,
It not a problem, there is a knurlled pin that threades into the side of the hammer. I just pull back using it, it is offset enoug that even with gloves there's is no interference.

[Nimrod777]

I have just started looking into the Optima Pro, being far to cheap to blow the dough for a TC equivalent. You might like reading the review found at http://www.chuckhawks.com/optima_pro.htm. I don't know the author's background, but he seemed to have a pretty unbiased view of the Optima and its performance.

You can always take a shot, but you can never take it back.

[Nimrod777]

I have just started looking into the Optima Pro, being far to cheap to blow the dough for a TC equivalent. You might like reading the review found at http://www.chuckhawks.com/optima_pro.htm. I don't know the author's background, but he seemed to have a pretty unbiased view of the Optima and its performance.

You can always take a shot, but you can never take it back.

[ez]

this gun also has options on putting on different caliber barrels.....ez

[Nimrod777]

Just in case anyone didn't realize it, Walmart, or at least my local one, has the Optima Pro in stock for $186 and change. And if you don't want to support Wally World for some reason, you can always go down and handle their stock with your sweaty little mits at no charge!


You can always take a shot, but you can never take it back.

[greenskeeter]

Nimrod, I believe the version at Walmart (when you can find one in stock) is the Optima, not the Optima Pro version. My limited research is that at least the barrels are different. Not sure if anything else is or not. Still sounds like a good deal nonetheless.

[ez]

the barrel on the pro is a little longer...29" vs the 26" in regular.........ordered the 45 cal. and i will pick-up sometime next week............ez

[Nimrod777]

So, what are we talking about... a $100 difference? I guess the extra 3" on the barrel will increase accuracy a bit more... Enough to wait it out and save pennies, though? Please give us a first hand report on that gun, ez.

You can always take a shot, but you can never take it back.

[Tu]

I just shot my CVA Optima Pro 209 Break-Action today for the first time. I tried 150 gr pellets with 195 gr and 225 gr power belt bullets at 100 yards. The 195 gr grouped at 2.5 inches but the 225 gr were flying all over the place. I didn't try shoting with 100 gr of powder. We checked the muz velocity and the 195 gr was at 2333 FPS. Smoking!

Tu

[oldforestor]

or that noone's buying my 700ml so i can get a SS disc extreme...

[CVN71 Ordnance]

What are some of the diffrent barrels that you can get for it?

GO NAVY!!!

[CVN71 Ordnance]

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[Throttlenut@aol.com]

I Recently purchased the CVA Optima Pro myself and brought it to the firing range today. I was shooting 100gr pellets and 240 grain Hornady Sabots. I shot it though open sights at 25 yards the pattern was all over the place but within 8" or so. I shot right through the center of the bulls eye on the first shot with a cold barrel but the rest of my shots were off were off. The closest couple being within 3" of a 6" bulls eye. I know I'm not very proficient with this rifle yet, but I was kind of disappointed at my shooting any suggestions. Should I bump up to 150gr of pellets, All my shot’ seemed to be low.

Walter Ferreira

[ez]

i think just a 45 + 50 cal barrels............as for shooting the gun i have shot with just 100gr and use the 225gr powerbelt and have had good results on paper..........this is with the 45 cal and a mirage red dot..............i plan to try it out late muzzle loader season............ez

[Jukelemon]

Just my .02. Magnum types seem to make the owner feel that they should shoot 150g b/c they can handle it. When really, it has been shown that an ideal ballistic is achieved at 80-90g. I have personally experienced this. I own a CVA Firebolt Ultra Mag. Try that Optima with no more than 100g and I bet it will shoot very nice groups.

[Throttlenut@aol.com]

Anyone have a suggestion for a decent scope for the CVA optima pro. I don't want to go too crazy, but I would like a scope that you can positively identify your target and beyond in low light condition, that will not fog up, for a reasonable price.

Walter Ferreira

[tommygun]

I've not owned a muzzleloader though I have hunted with borrowed ones. I'm looking at buying one now and have narrowed it down to a TC Black Diamond or a CVA Optima. I noticed that the Optima is over a pound heavier(8.2lb) than the TC. Is this a deal killer? I like the break action for loading and cleaning, but the lighter gun seems better for carrying around.Any thoughts?

[GSP]

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<br />Anyone have a suggestion for a decent scope for the CVA optima pro. I don't want to go too crazy, but I would like a scope that you can positively identify your target and beyond in low light condition, that will not fog up, for a reasonable price.

Walter Ferreira
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Nikon makes some good optics in the $200 range.
Bushnell, Simmons and Tasco makes good scopes in the $50+ range. They will all do a good job.

[Throttlenut@aol.com]

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<br />I've not owned a muzzleloader though I have hunted with borrowed ones. I'm looking at buying one now and have narrowed it down to a TC Black Diamond or a CVA Optima. I noticed that the Optima is over a pound heavier(8.2lb) than the TC. Is this a deal killer? I like the break action for loading and cleaning, but the lighter gun seems better for carrying around.Any thoughts?
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The optima pro is a little heavy, but you only notice it if you are hunting for a couple of days straight for 6 or more hours a day, and walking through he woods a lot, If I just hike out to my tree stand it is defiantly not a problem. The 29 "barrel is nice for sighting in a target, but it can also get in the way a little, you have to hold it a little high in the trail carry position which tires your arm out a little. The break action is awesome for cleaning, and I never have to use a tool to put the primer in place, this make loading and unloading extremely easy. Over all I think the synthetic stock looks nicer than the than the Black diamond, and it makes it very comfortable to carry in the cradle position, so essentially it doesn't feel as heavy at times. I'm still getting used to shooting it and cant wait to get a scope to see what it is really capable of. I have only shot it about 10 times and I wasn't pleased with the results, but I don't think I'm use to the optic sights and the longer barrel yet. I still need more time to sight it in, because I plan on using see through scope mounts. Plan on shooting more next week so I will let you know more about that aspect then.

Walter Ferreira

[Jukelemon]

For the scope question, Dick's has the Bushnell 3-9 X 40 Dusk to Dawn on sale for 69.99.

Nice scope for the money.

[jmabrey]

I bought an Optima 45 cal. with 26" barrel. I had very poor results with all sizes of Powerbelts. I tried Precision rifles QT's and Dead On sabots. They shot a little better, good enough for hunting. I then tried the TC Shockwaves-200 gr. Spire Points-These shot very good at all ranges. I then bought Hornady's 200 gr. SST's.(they make the TC Shockwave) It had the same point of impact and shot just as good and I could get 20 of them for $7.17 at Midsouth shooters supply in Clarksville, Tennessee http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com ---versus $10 around here for 15 Shockwaves. while the Shockwaves shot good 2" groups at 100 yds. the Hornady have a slightly smaller sabot and loads easier.
I agree with all of the positive things said here about the Optima. It feels good, handles good, looks good, shoots good once I found the bullets it likes. I know some people have said the powerbelts are good in theirs. Mine didn't like them in any weight with 80-100 gr. of 777 and 2-50 gr. pyrodex pellets. Just glad I found the Shockwaves and hornadys.
I put a Nikon 2-7 power scope on it with see thru mounts and am upgrading to a williams front sight(I broke front site at the range-I'm a klutz)
For the price and advantages in wet weather I think it's a good deal. Good luck

John B. Mabrey

[jmeasamer]

Ok first of all, the difference between the Optima and the Optima pro is that with the 29" Optima Pro with the 45 cal barrel you get get up to 2700 fps, and the puts the slug way down range, if you are cosistanctly shooting 100 yards or less the Pro would be a waste of money.
Second, if you truly want to get your Black Powder to be a Tack drive with a scope, you need to take your cleaning rod to the range with you, i know, this takes a hell of alot of time but thats the beast of a black powder rifle. The BP leaves alot of residue in the barrel and can throw off your accuracy, and if you try to sight it in without cleaning it or letting it cool down some you can forget hitting right where you want to when you shoot it clean and cold.

[ez]

ok.............one thing to notice............the aero tip 225 gr/45 cal bullet/100gr. of pyrodex.............plastic tip!...( uhmv )......watch how you push down your muzzle..........i have found after shooting several rounds this can be smashed down and affect the way your gun or round is leaving the barrel.......also the ram/rod may need some drilling out as not to smash down on the plastic tip even pushing down the first round........ today after shooting many rounds and intermitent cleaning; drilling out my ram rod; i found that this round shot very well and consistant on paper..........if this round shoots as well on paper as it does in the field i will be a happy hunter..........
( if you look in cabela's cataloge they have a special bullet starter kit for all the aero tips; but no tip to fit the optimi pro ram rod)...........ez