Big BLUE Superman

[Multidigits]

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060706/COLUMNISTS01/607060416

[Art]

For me, the most exciting tidbit of info I heard after the season was that Tubby was going to make some staff changes, specifically with those involved with recruiting. To the best of my knowledge that did not happen for whatever reason.

The two areas that concern me are recruiting and player development. Tubby has proved he can coach when he gets (or is given) great players who are capable of creating their own offense and don't have to rely on the half court set. However, in order to get to that point he needs some great players coming in EVERY year and he needs to develope the not-so-great ones that he's getting. Neither of which are happening. We've been getting way too many project players and KY (and WV) boys who honestly have no business playing for a program of UK's caliber.

IMHO, I think Tubby could REALLY help his program by letting his best players both A) play lots of minutes and B) run a more upbeat style of offense. I can't imagine a young recruit wanting to come to UK after watching a game where a Mcdonalds A.A is sharing minutes with walk-ons and red shirts in a slowed down offense and getting 6 points and 12 minutes a game. They flip the channel and then they see another school where the players are getting the minutes and getting the points and recognition.

Bottom line is that if you are a young player with realistic dreams of playing in the NBA then UK is not the best place to showcase your talent and recruits know this. Until the minutes played and offensive pace picks up then I think we will continue to lose the big name recruits. If Tubby is unwilling to make major changes on many levels (which seems to be the case) then I don't see much positive in the near future.

[ryan hickey]

not real sure why the louisville paper is so worried about uk - imo, they got plenty to worry about in louisville....


just my $.02

[bladeslinger]

For me, the most exciting tidbit of info I heard after the season was that Tubby was going to make some staff changes, specifically with those involved with recruiting. To the best of my knowledge that did not happen for whatever reason.





I can agree with you on that point Art. I was certain that there would be a major shake up in the asst. coahes also. Imo there needs to be due to the lack of recruiting lately. I honestly thought that Hobbs would be the only one to stay and one new asst. that Tubby would bring in would be Barnes (former ole Miss. coach). Tubby has proven beyond tha shadow of any doubt imo that he can coach, he doesn't need a roster full of the hamburger boys to do it either. Would I like to see more and better recruiting with some blue chip talent in the mix, heck yes I would - that goes w/o saying. We (U.K.) got burned in a way on Rondo imo, we got a kid with incredible athletic ability and unlimited potential but was more concerned with "Me" instead of "Team" and all he wanted to do was get to the NBA. His attitude flat out stunk. These are the kind of kids that U.K. does not need no matter who's all american list they are on. The U.K. basketball tradition is bigger than any one player or individual. I still think that Tubby will "right the ship" and bring the program back to the top where it needs "and has" to be. I also agree that if marked improvement is not shown within a couple of years that Tubby will be out at U.K. I do not belive that the only reason that he won a national title at U.K. was bc he had "tricky ricky's players. Tubby can flat out coach basketball, Pitino was not on that benchj during the seasoln - through the tourney and in the championship. He did not make one call on a defense, offensive set, time out or anything. he was not a part of that team....Period. Yes he did bring those players in and am appreciative of that and what he did for U.K. during his time here. But the fact is that he flat out lied to his recruits by telling them that he would be around, his team and the U.K. fan base. i ddn't mean to get off subject but I have heard a lot of those kind of "had a team handed to him" comments and imo that is a cheap shot on Tubby.

[Art]

not real sure why the louisville paper is so worried about uk - imo, they got plenty to worry about in louisville....


just my $.02

There's lots of UK fans in Louisville. Probably wouldn't be as many if UK was the University of Lexington.

[bladeslinger]

not real sure why the louisville paper is so worried about uk - imo, they got plenty to worry about in louisville....


just my $.02:D :D ;) Ain't that the truth - LOL. They (U.L.) just can't stand the fact that they are that "other university" in Kentucky.

[Art]

I've never said Tubby can't coach but I do believe that he won that championship in large part because of the players he had. That team was used to being there at the end and they were all students and recruits of Pitino. It's not to say he didn't do a good job but the recruiting and player developement was already done for him which made his job a heck of a lot easier. You can't for get that we were an overtime away from back to back championships before he arrived.

It can be argued either way but for me I guess the fact that once Tubby started getting his players and his system got going is about the time we started to fizz out in March.

It's no secret that I think Tubby has worn out his welcome here and I think he's had more than enough time to "right the ship". The fact that it even needs to be "righted" says enough for me. It's not even the fact that we have not been to the final four that does it for me. It's the fact that we seem to get a little further away each year. In his 9th season we should not be wondering if we will make the NCAA.

Tubby's a great man and a great coach, but not all great coaches can keep the level of success that they need to or that they are used to.. Look at Bob Knight, hell, look at Pitino.

I think in todays world of sports the past is not as important as the present and future. The top programs in any sport just don't have the patience to wait a decade or two for things to get back on track. Reason being is because the lower you go, the tougher it is to get back to the top. Think about todays basketball recruits. Most of these kids are 17 or 18. They are really too young to even remember when KY was dominant in basketball. They have probably not grown up in awe of UK and that hurts recruiting.

[buckfever]

Interesting article. . . .I'm not a big Bozich fan, but I thought this one sentence about Tubby's inconsistent recruiting success was very well put:

"Smith wouldn't accept that kind of inconsistency from one of his players."

I agree with Bozich's assessment. To get back on top, KY needs to string together a couple of good classes.

[Multidigits]

I can agree with you on that point Art. I was certain that there would be a major shake up in the asst. coahes also. Imo there needs to be due to the lack of recruiting lately. I honestly thought that Hobbs would be the only one to stay and one new asst. that Tubby would bring in would be Barnes (former ole Miss. coach). Tubby has proven beyond tha shadow of any doubt imo that he can coach, he doesn't need a roster full of the hamburger boys to do it either. Would I like to see more and better recruiting with some blue chip talent in the mix, heck yes I would - that goes w/o saying. We (U.K.) got burned in a way on Rondo imo, we got a kid with incredible athletic ability and unlimited potential but was more concerned with "Me" instead of "Team" and all he wanted to do was get to the NBA. His attitude flat out stunk. These are the kind of kids that U.K. does not need no matter who's all american list they are on. The U.K. basketball tradition is bigger than any one player or individual. I still think that Tubby will "right the ship" and bring the program back to the top where it needs "and has" to be. I also agree that if marked improvement is not shown within a couple of years that Tubby will be out at U.K. I do not belive that the only reason that he won a national title at U.K. was bc he had "tricky ricky's players. Tubby can flat out coach basketball, Pitino was not on that benchj during the seasoln - through the tourney and in the championship. He did not make one call on a defense, offensive set, time out or anything. he was not a part of that team....Period. Yes he did bring those players in and am appreciative of that and what he did for U.K. during his time here. But the fact is that he flat out lied to his recruits by telling them that he would be around, his team and the U.K. fan base. i ddn't mean to get off subject but I have heard a lot of those kind of "had a team handed to him" comments and imo that is a cheap shot on Tubby.


The problem is a lot deeper than with the assistant coaches. I'd really like to see where Tubby has proved that he can coach a top program? One things for sure, the lack of job offers coming his way shows that most people are not convinced.

[KYCatBirdHunter]

yeah, unfortunately it would appear that we have allowed Tubby to stay long enough for everyone else to figure out that he sucks. I was afraid of that. For a few years, it was a secret that only a small percentage of Kentucky fans would themselves admit. Now the cat's out of the bag, and where's he gonna go?

[WBBP]

The 98 team barely needed a coach and was full of seniors. Seniors coupled with lots of talent win championships.

Now that Tubby has had plenty of time to prove how good of a coach he is, the results are pretty clear. If you can't see how poor the reslts are, you need glasses....:eek:

K

[Monster-Chaser]

not real sure why the louisville paper is so worried about uk - imo, they got plenty to worry about in louisville....


just my $.02


This is not just a Louisville paper, granted the majority is surrounded by Lou. news, but this paper reaches all across Ky unlike other community papers and the Lexington Herald.

[3toes]

CATS------------- C A T S C A T S C A T S !!!!!
We could always bring back Eddie Sutton & hire Bob Thuggins as an assistant. While we are at it make Bassett the AD. Be careful what you wish for.

[bladeslinger]

The time may be coming for Tubby to move on, we will see within the next year or two. One thing is for sure and that is that ANYONE that thinks that Tubby Smith cannot coach basketball needs to find another sport to be a fan of bc you don't and never will know a dang thing about coaching or the game. I feel very safe in saying that Coach Smith has forgot more basketball than anyone on this site will ever know.

[bladeslinger]

The 98 team barely needed a coach and was full of seniors. Seniors coupled with lots of talent win championships.

Now that Tubby has had plenty of time to prove how good of a coach he is, the results are pretty clear. If you can't see how poor the reslts are, you need glasses....:eek:

K Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that the Cats went through the SEC season unbeaten ? I guess that Tubby didn't have anything to do with that,uh?:confused: In either two of the last four or 3 of the last five years we were one step away from the final four, one year we were a bad call away from it and the other D. Wade kept us away from it. Oh, I know, tubby doesn't deserve any credit for those seasons either.:rolleyes: Yes, U.K. is down from what we are used to and what we want but the statements (not from anyone inparticular) that the program is in "shambles" or "rock bottom" or other terms used is absolutely insane!

[Multidigits]

The time may be coming for Tubby to move on, we will see within the next year or two. One thing is for sure and that is that ANYONE that thinks that Tubby Smith cannot coach basketball needs to find another sport to be a fan of bc you don't and never will know a dang thing about coaching or the game. I feel very safe in saying that Coach Smith has forgot more basketball than anyone on this site will ever know.

That's the problem, he's forgot.......U of K will set a new record this year--in loses :rolleyes:

[bladeslinger]

That's the problem, he's forgot.......U of K will set a new record this year--in loses :rolleyes: I really don't think so but we will see.

[3toes]

That's the problem, he's forgot.......U of K will set a new record this year--in loses :rolleyes:

Be specific and say what it is he has forgot. And if they don't set the record where will you stand ?

[3toes]

I really don't think so but we will see.

Careful blade!! You will become ignored.:)

[3toes]

Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that the Cats went through the SEC season unbeaten ? I guess that Tubby didn't have anything to do with that,uh?:confused: In either two of the last four or 3 of the last five years we were one step away from the final four, one year we were a bad call away from it and the other D. Wade kept us away from it. Oh, I know, tubby doesn't deserve any credit for those seasons either.:rolleyes: Yes, U.K. is down from what we are used to and what we want but the statements (not from anyone inparticular) that the program is in "shambles" or "rock bottom" or other terms used is absolutely insane!

Nice post. Better hurry & get the net to catch all those that fall from the bandwagon.

[Art]

Tubby has had some impressive regular seasons, but that's not really what counts.

We can sit here all day long and say, "well, we have have been there if that other team didn't have a great player or if we would have hit that shot at the end." The fact of the matter is that we have not been there and it doesn't matter how close we came 3 or 4 years ago.

The article said something interesting to me. This is the longest time period that UK has had without going to a final four since "the probation-impaired era of 1984-93".

We had 3 different coaches within that period AND we were on probation for a good part of it. We HAD reasons to not be there back then, now we do not.

I'm curious, for those that are convinced that Tubby is the right man for the job and believe that things are fine and will get better. At what point (in terms of years) do you think you will be willing to admit that you are wrong, assuming things do not change?? I know a few of you guys that are holding out have said that this coming season is what your opinion of Tubby relies upon. You know who you are. What about the rest? Because this season shows signs of being worse than last year.

[kyfanatic]

Well,it's obvious to me that Tubby hasn't forgotten how to be TEN LOSS TUBBY,but he forgot that UK doesn't lose at home,Tubby has lost more Home games than Rupp and Hall combined.
You Tubby lovers think he's such a great coach,but explain to me how he consistently fails to set up offensive plays in the NCAA Tourney,he blew it in the 2ND ROUND vs UAB,he blew it vs Mich St, and if I looked back there are many times where they were down after being up large and tubby pulled some Bone-Headed substituting moves only to blow the game after failing to produce on offense,His players lack fundamentals such as Free Throw shooting,Blocking out for rebounds,I won't go on but explain why a 6'0" guard lead the team in rebounding with 3 7'ers,a 6'10" guy,a 6'8" guy, a 6'7" guy,and a 6'6" guy? Is that tubby's great coaching? Fool the opponent by letting the guards do all rebounding,great coaching move. Wholesale substitutions really worked wearing out UCF and South Dakota state, nope they almost blew those games AT HOME even.
Tubby Smith is NOT UK quality,sorry but he has consistenntly failed since 98'

[Monster-Chaser]

Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that the Cats went through the SEC season unbeaten ? I guess that Tubby didn't have anything to do with that,uh?:confused: In either two of the last four or 3 of the last five years we were one step away from the final four, one year we were a bad call away from it and the other D. Wade kept us away from it. Oh, I know, tubby doesn't deserve any credit for those seasons either.:rolleyes: Yes, U.K. is down from what we are used to and what we want but the statements (not from anyone inparticular) that the program is in "shambles" or "rock bottom" or other terms used is absolutely insane!


Unfortunately going unbeaten in the SEC isn't exactly like going unbeaten in the ACC or Big Ten. During those SEC championships under Tubby, the SEC was more like the equivilence to the C-USA. We all should agree that the last couple of years with the exception of this past year, overall the SEC has been rather WEAK. I believe his ability to develope players to play TEAM ball is dwindling and will soon be flat-lining.

[Art]

Unfortunately going unbeaten in the SEC isn't exactly like going unbeaten in the ACC or Big Ten. During those SEC championships under Tubby, the SEC was more like the equivilence to the C-USA. We all should agree that the last couple of years with the exception of this past year, overall the SEC has been rather WEAK. I believe his ability to develope players to play TEAM ball is dwindling and will soon be flat-lining.

That's because in the past we had the luxury of not taking players, even if they were great, if they didn't have the right mind set.

Now we have to take whoever we can get. We've got a guy starting from NC that Duke and UNC didn't even look at. We've got 7' juniors that can't make a lay-up or get a rebound and it only gets worse. We have too many players that should be playing for D2 schools.

[3toes]

Well,it's obvious to me that Tubby hasn't forgotten how to be TEN LOSS TUBBY,but he forgot that UK doesn't lose at home,Tubby has lost more Home games than Rupp and Hall combined.
You Tubby lovers think he's such a great coach,but explain to me how he consistently fails to set up offensive plays in the NCAA Tourney,he blew it in the 2ND ROUND vs UAB,he blew it vs Mich St, and if I looked back there are many times where they were down after being up large and tubby pulled some Bone-Headed substituting moves only to blow the game after failing to produce on offense,His players lack fundamentals such as Free Throw shooting,Blocking out for rebounds,I won't go on but explain why a 6'0" guard lead the team in rebounding with 3 7'ers,a 6'10" guy,a 6'8" guy, a 6'7" guy,and a 6'6" guy? Is that tubby's great coaching? Fool the opponent by letting the guards do all rebounding,great coaching move. Wholesale substitutions really worked wearing out UCF and South Dakota state, nope they almost blew those games AT HOME even.
Tubby Smith is NOT UK quality,sorry but he has consistenntly failed since 98'

A 6' point grd. led the team in rebounding because that is the type of player he was and seperates him from other pt. grds. As for the 7' guys they couldn't jump high enough to get over a crack in the sidewalk. The last i looked Tubby hasn't took a free throw attempt or a jump shot since he has been there.Coaches get to much credit for a W or an L. It's the players that score or rebound. A lot of what you say is correct and there are problems but getting on here and being negative doesn't help a thing. This thread was titled Duke Haters, let's do our job as a true UK fan and support no matter what the circumstances are.

[kyfanatic]

A 6' point grd. led the team in rebounding because that is the type of player he was and seperates him from other pt. grds. As for the 7' guys they couldn't jump high enough to get over a crack in the sidewalk. The last i looked Tubby hasn't took a free throw attempt or a jump shot since he has been there.Coaches get to much credit for a W or an L. It's the players that score or rebound. A lot of what you say is correct and there are problems but getting on here and being negative doesn't help a thing. This thread was titled Duke Haters, let's do our job as a true UK fan and support no matter what the circumstances are.

Tubby might not rebound or shoot freethrows but isn't it his job to see that the players he recruits can? That tells me he he isn't doing his job.For $1.5 mil a year I'm sure I can lose 13 games and have players that don't develope.

[Art]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/coolslice/tubby.jpg

[AteUp]

not real sure why the louisville paper is so worried about uk - imo, they got plenty to worry about in louisville....


just my $.02

The CJ hates on both programs equally. Remember, Louisville is in Kentucky.

[bladeslinger]

The CJ hates on both programs equally. Remember, Louisville is in Kentucky.:D :D :D Lousville is not it my state -- I think that it is an island out there on the river or something.:p

[kyfanatic]

The CJ hates on both programs equally. Remember, Louisville is in Kentucky.

Not according to most of the UL fans on ESPN's message boards,they claim that Louisville is far more superior than the rest of the backwoods hick folk,in fact Louisville doesn't resemble anything about the rest of us lower life forms.

I say you can keep Louisville and all it's concrete glory,I'll take Black and Pine Mountain,Cumberland Falls,Red River Gorge,Lake Cumberland,LBL,and the Big South Fork anyday.Indiana can adopt louisville and I wouldn't miss a beat.

[JP]

For me, the most exciting tidbit of info I heard after the season was that Tubby was going to make some staff changes, specifically with those involved with recruiting. To the best of my knowledge that did not happen for whatever reason.

The two areas that concern me are recruiting and player development. Tubby has proved he can coach when he gets (or is given) great players who are capable of creating their own offense and don't have to rely on the half court set. However, in order to get to that point he needs some great players coming in EVERY year and he needs to develope the not-so-great ones that he's getting. Neither of which are happening. We've been getting way too many project players and KY (and WV) boys who honestly have no business playing for a program of UK's caliber.

IMHO, I think Tubby could REALLY help his program by letting his best players both A) play lots of minutes and B) run a more upbeat style of offense. I can't imagine a young recruit wanting to come to UK after watching a game where a Mcdonalds A.A is sharing minutes with walk-ons and red shirts in a slowed down offense and getting 6 points and 12 minutes a game. They flip the channel and then they see another school where the players are getting the minutes and getting the points and recognition.

Bottom line is that if you are a young player with realistic dreams of playing in the NBA then UK is not the best place to showcase your talent and recruits know this. Until the minutes played and offensive pace picks up then I think we will continue to lose the big name recruits. If Tubby is unwilling to make major changes on many levels (which seems to be the case) then I don't see much positive in the near future.

couldn't have said it better myself....problem is, Tubby can't and won't change and even if he does, he'll get no recognition for it from recruits or fans. Its time to go.

[bladeslinger]

3toes I should had listened to you before, there is no discussion with most of these guys. They can gang up all they want and that is fine with me. Imo it is funny as hell! With all I have to deal with in my daily life I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks! I really think that it is pretty funny just sitting here reading all this negative crap. I also have plenty of questions and frustrations with different things with U.K. basketball especially this past season. I do however try and stay positive and support the Cats no matter what (or who). Dear ol art and his band of buddies on here remind me of a bunch of guys that go down to the local bar, chug a few down and sit there rambling on and on about how they could coach this team better. You guys can add me to your ignore list if you want to, I am sure not going to pay any attention or respond to your crap anymore to try and make a civil discussion on a topic. I am through with it. Drink up guys, and see how many games and titles you can win with all you infinate knowledge.:rolleyes:

[bladeslinger]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/coolslice/tubby.jpg By the way, that is a nice pic of you with that big hot dog:D

[Art]

3toes I should had listened to you before, there is no discussion with most of these guys. They can gang up all they want and that is fine with me. Imo it is funny as hell! With all I have to deal with in my daily life I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks! I really think that it is pretty funny just sitting here reading all this negative crap. I also have plenty of questions and frustrations with different things with U.K. basketball especially this past season. I do however try and stay positive and support the Cats no matter what (or who). Dear ol art and his band of buddies on here remind me of a bunch of guys that go down to the local bar, chug a few down and sit there rambling on and on about how they could coach this team better. You guys can add me to your ignore list if you want to, I am sure not going to pay any attention or respond to your crap anymore to try and make a civil discussion on a topic. I am through with it. Drink up guys, and see how many games and titles you can win with all you infinate knowledge.:rolleyes:

Your wish is my command. You and your little buddy are just pissed because you two are about 5 years behind in the line of thinking that most UK fans have right now. You guys had a blast when it was you against me but you're dumbfounded now that you see that you're actually the minority. That's all this is.

Take all the personal shots at me you want, I could care less because I know we're right in the end. I'm not a coach nor will I ever be one. Tubby is a great coach but he's not great enough for the best program of all time. Don't put it on me or anyone else here. Remember, we're not coaches so it's not our fault...

[WBBP]

Bladeslinger, we do agree about Louisville's location, but it ends after that.

If you are happy winning the SEC every year, making it to the first round of the NCAA, and then putting up with a bunch of excuses from the Coach why we didn't go further, then I understand why you are standing behind Tubby. I guess I have higher expectations based on our Programs past.

Tubby is a fine fella and a class act. His style of ball and poor recruting is what has gotten him where he is now. Surely, you can admit that his slowdown style of BB causes a recruiting problem.

None of this is personal toward you or 3 toes, we just disagree. The real question is how much longer will the University let this mediocrity last?

Ate-Up: You are wrong, Louisville is not in Kentucky........I have told you this before.

[Multidigits]

Not according to most of the UL fans on ESPN's message boards,they claim that Louisville is far more superior than the rest of the backwoods hick folk,in fact Louisville doesn't resemble anything about the rest of us lower life forms.

I say you can keep Louisville and all it's concrete glory,I'll take Black and Pine Mountain,Cumberland Falls,Red River Gorge,Lake Cumberland,LBL,and the Big South Fork anyday.Indiana can adopt louisville and I wouldn't miss a beat.

don't forget that Louisville has more U of K fans than they have U of L fans. always has....always will.

[3toes]

Thanks for the little part ARTIE BOY!!! You see I am 6'4" 230 so I don't hear that too often. As for your other smart butt remarks I have no comment on here. Keep pushing the IGNORE button when things don't go as planned, that's real mature. But it's about what I expected!! In the future don't dish it out if you can't take it. Everyone has an opinion just the same as you.

[AteUp]

I'll take Black and Pine Mountain,Cumberland Falls,Red River Gorge,Lake Cumberland,LBL,and the Big South Fork anyday.

You forgot about the meth labs, the poachers, trespassers etc.:eek:

[WBBP]

Ate-up, you are correct but he left out the carjackings, murders, pollution, and the 1/16 acre prized building lots..............that you and your friends have grown to love.

You probably would have more poachers where you live............if you had any game to paoch.:eek:

[AteUp]

What was that crime rate in BG again? How much have you had stolen at the farm? Oh forget it, you can't bait me in tonight, not in the mood for typing!:D

[WBBP]

Ate-up. I don't remember what the crime rate is in BG, but I can tell you that most people think they are safer in BG than in Da'ville after dark. However, you are slightly more likely to get shot with a cross bow in BG than where you live...........

Take the bait.........

K

[AteUp]

However, you are slightly more likely to get shot with a cross bow in BG than where you live...........

Take the bait.........

K

...and definitely more likely to get run over by a run-away 6-wheeler!!

[Art]

You should both move to Lexington.:D

[AteUp]

You should both move to Lexington.:D

Well Tubby is my favorite UK coach ever!!!

[3toes]

Ate-up, you are correct but he left out the carjackings, murders, pollution, and the 1/16 acre prized building lots..............that you and your friends have grown to love.

You probably would have more poachers where you live............if you had any game to paoch.:eek:

Don't forget about the new gang in town the bad news gang!!! little punks running wild seeking out victims over 40. Their time will come.

[3toes]

No shootings here in our neck of the woods. Just plain old fashioned butt whoopin's.

[WBBP]

3toes: the bad news gang in louisville?

K

[AteUp]

http://www.whas11.com/news/mclendon/stories/WHAS11_TOP_BadNewsGang.1179ca22.html

Police warn of "Bad News Gang" in West End

04:51 PM EDT on Friday, June 30, 2006

Imagine walking down your street or sitting on your porch and having dozens of teens throw bricks at your head -- even fire gunshots at you. That's exactly what police say has been happening for weeks in some parts of the West End.

I talked to several victims who told me similar stories of how the group of teens pelted them with bricks, bottles, anything they could find along the street.

They call themselves the “Bad News Gang.” But the bad news for them is that police here at the Second Division say they're getting closer to tracking them down.

Monday morning about 3 a.m., Ronald Jones was walking near 26th and Hale. More than a dozen teens came out of the shadows near a car wash, surrounded him and attacked.

“They had nothing but blood in their eyes,” he says. “They wanted to see someone dead and bloody.”

He says the teens threw bricks, bottles, even a glass fish aquarium at him -- anything they could pick up on the street. One cracked an iron pole against his head.

“I fought, I struggled, I screamed, hollered, I cried for help: ‘Somebody please give me some help.’”

He ran, trying to escape the group. At one point he feared he might pass out and end up dead. Jones made it to a relative’s house and called police, who say they've heard his story from many other victims.

“Fifteen to 20 young African American males walking in the street in groups, attacking people unprovoked,” says Sgt. Rick Polin of Metro Police.

Police say the Bad News Gang has hit about 25 times this month, using the same M.O., usually between midnight and 4 a.m. Descriptions from victims like Jones have helped them zero in on potential suspects, but until the gang is off the streets and in jail, police say, be cautious.

If you're going to walk the streets in the West End, maybe have a friend with you because each individual that's been victimized has been alone.

Police say they already have about a dozen names of people who could be involved in the Bad News Gang. But they need your help to make arrests.

If you know anything about the people behind these attacks, you can let police know without telling your name or having the tip traced back to you.

The number to do that is 574-LMPD.

[WBBP]

Ate-up: Thanks for the info.

Your honor....................................I rest my case.
K

[AteUp]

Ate-up: Thanks for the info.

Your honor....................................I rest my case.
K

Try resting your fingers! And you know you can't impersonate a lawyer anymore!

[WBBP]

Well it just about worked......................going to rest. u need to cheer the xxxx up.

K

[AteUp]

Well it just about worked......................going to rest. u need to cheer the xxxx up.

K


OK. BTW, it's spelled @!?$. I need to cheer the @!?$ up. And I will when my plane lands in Cincy after this Netherlands trip.

Sorry for the thread hi-jack!!:eek:

[kyfanatic]

Forgot to mention that Tubby has had more "problem child" players than any UK coach I can remember in over 50 years of watching.That includes the hated Eddie Sutton.No UK coach has ever had that many Transfers,law breakers,dissatified,and poor quality players.If you really want I'll go back from 98' until present and give a very lengthy list?

[3toes]

3toes: the bad news gang in louisville?

K

Sure thing. but it's not only there. Reality is this is happening everywhere. If they get caught they yell there rights have been violated, so they just get a slap on the wrist. They will come across the wrong guy one day, and it all end at that moment!!

[3toes]

Forgot to mention that Tubby has had more "problem child" players than any UK coach I can remember in over 50 years of watching.That includes the hated Eddie Sutton.No UK coach has ever had that many Transfers,law breakers,dissatified,and poor quality players.If you really want I'll go back from 98' until present and give a very lengthy list?

You are correct but all the blame can't be put on Tubby. All programs have this problem. You gamble on any kid taken. They can't be policed 24-7. This is more of a national problem, I think, than just to single out one program. It's more public at UK because they are high profile & local. Just because he is the head coach doesn't make him the guilty party.

[WBBP]

kYFANATIC: Are you counting the incident where Sam Bowie and Dirk Minnifield where caught smoking a joint in Wildcat Lodge on Bowies bed? If you will remember, Bowie said he was only watching...................:D

K

[Art]

He might be talking about when Jules Camara got pulled over by the cops for DUI and he hopped in the back seat and said he wasn't the one driving...of course he was the only person in the car.:D

[kyfanatic]

kYFANATIC: Are you counting the incident where Sam Bowie and Dirk Minnifield where caught smoking a joint in Wildcat Lodge on Bowies bed? If you will remember, Bowie said he was only watching...................:D

K

Kind of Like Bill Clinton when he took a puff but didn't inhale right?

[Multidigits]

You are correct but all the blame can't be put on Tubby. All programs have this problem. You gamble on any kid taken. They can't be policed 24-7. This is more of a national problem, I think, than just to single out one program. It's more public at UK because they are high profile & local. Just because he is the head coach doesn't make him the guilty party.

BS...the coach is always responsible. For starters, he recruited the thug, if he's a risk, then don't take him.

[Monster-Chaser]

Not according to most of the UL fans on ESPN's message boards,they claim that Louisville is far more superior than the rest of the backwoods hick folk,in fact Louisville doesn't resemble anything about the rest of us lower life forms.

I say you can keep Louisville and all it's concrete glory,I'll take Black and Pine Mountain,Cumberland Falls,Red River Gorge,Lake Cumberland,LBL,and the Big South Fork anyday.Indiana can adopt louisville and I wouldn't miss a beat.

Concrete glory or not, don't forget that Louisville is the driving force in KY's economy and without it, the rest of you folks elsewhere will be paying higher taxes!;)

[ryan hickey]

The CJ hates on both programs equally. Remember, Louisville is in Kentucky.


didn't louisville go to the nit? maybe the CJ could tell us more on that?:)

[kyfanatic]

Concrete glory or not, don't forget that Louisville is the driving force in KY's economy and without it, the rest of you folks elsewhere will be paying higher taxes!;)

I'm not trying to piss you off,but I looked at a list of delinquent taxpayers recently from around the state and 90% were from Jefferson county.

[Art]

Concrete glory or not, don't forget that Louisville is the driving force in KY's economy and without it, the rest of you folks elsewhere will be paying higher taxes!;)

Sounds like a fair trade.:D

[WBBP]

Monster Chaser: You are correct as it applies to state taxes which are pretty minor as compared to federal taxes.

When you flip the coin and discuss federal taxes though, Louisville gets way more back than they paid in federal taxes, just like the rest of the state does. The only difference is that Louisville is raking it in from the fed due to its high concentration of population. When you add in the big federal social programs, Louisville gets another disproportinate boost.

I guess Louisville should get on its knees and thank the other state's that pay them ever year and then thank them for their economic engines. I think the ratio is $1.64 in return for every $1.00 they pay in federal taxes.

Of ourse, most of this is in jest, we love Louisville........:rolleyes:

K

[3toes]

BS...the coach is always responsible. For starters, he recruited the thug, if he's a risk, then don't take him.

The coach is not always responsible!!! Some players mingle with the wrong crowd after arriving at the Universities and go downhill from there. Also all the recruiting is not done by just the head coach.The recruiting coord. signs a lot of the players that head coaches don't ever see until they are in their own gym or field. Not just basketball but all sports., especially baseball & football. As far as the risk factor goes all recruits are a risk in some form. Kids make mistakes but that doesn't make them horrible people. Everybody deserves second chances then If they screw up, I agree let em go.

[Multidigits]

The coach is not always responsible!!! Some players mingle with the wrong crowd after arriving at the Universities and go downhill from there. Also all the recruiting is not done by just the head coach.The recruiting coord. signs a lot of the players that head coaches don't ever see until they are in their own gym or field. Not just basketball but all sports., especially baseball & football. As far as the risk factor goes all recruits are a risk in some form. Kids make mistakes but that doesn't make them horrible people. Everybody deserves second chances then If they screw up, I agree let em go.

Dishing out displine is a function of the Coach. Tubby has been inconsistant in doing this as well.

No program the size of Kentucky signs players the Coach hasn't seen play or has done a background on. It doesn't happen.

Grade Tubby on the curve or how ever you want, it comes up short of expectations of the fans. Keeping the fans happy and buying tickets is the number one function of the coach, else all schools would simply hire a nurse maid to make sure they behave their selves--win/loses wouldn't matter.

[AteUp]

didn't louisville go to the nit? maybe the CJ could tell us more on that?:)

Well it wouldn't be a proper UK thread without some unsolicited UL bashing now would it?

[3toes]

Dishing out displine is a function of the Coach. Tubby has been inconsistant in doing this as well.

No program the size of Kentucky signs players the Coach hasn't seen play or has done a background on. It doesn't happen.

Grade Tubby on the curve or how ever you want, it comes up short of expectations of the fans. Keeping the fans happy and buying tickets is the number one function of the coach, else all schools would simply hire a nurse maid to make sure they behave their selves--win/loses wouldn't matter.

Oh, but it DOES happen. I know first hand that it HAS.Somebody must be happy as there are 23,000 every night. Same as football, tickets are being sold. You are right. It's money. And as long as tickets are sold they don't care about anythhing else as long there is no scandal within. All fans don't believe the program is in a shambles as some would have you believe. Last year's season was not one of Kentucky's typical but it doesn't mean the program is gone . Whether you or I want to believe it or not there is more than the wins & losses.Tickets will always be sold, always have always will. Like I have said many many times before you have a right to express your opinion but all the negative talk on a constant basis really gets old.

[kyfanatic]

Oh, but it DOES happen. I know first hand that it HAS.Somebody must be happy as there are 23,000 every night. Same as football, tickets are being sold. You are right. It's money. And as long as tickets are sold they don't care about anythhing else as long there is no scandal within. All fans don't believe the program is in a shambles as some would have you believe. Last year's season was not one of Kentucky's typical but it doesn't mean the program is gone . Whether you or I want to believe it or not there is more than the wins & losses.Tickets will always be sold, always have always will. Like I have said many many times before you have a right to express your opinion but all the negative talk on a constant basis really gets old.

The 70's Cincy Reds thought the same thing until it hit the wallet,took a longggg time to recover.

[buckchaser]

All I know is when Tubby came to UK it was off 2 straight championship games. Tubby then won the championship the next year and it has been all down hill since.I know UK went through the SEC undefeated a couple years ago, but then they played horrible in the NCAA tournament. Even though UK has came close to making the final four a couple times in the past few years, its like they have no execution at all at the end of games. I know we can't judge everything by one bad season, I have seen very bad teams turn around and become good teams. That said I think it is time to see some improvement at UK. I don't UK fans should be watching selection Sunday to see if UK is in the tourament. When Tubby came to Uk it was probably the top program in the country and now UK is at its lowest point since 1990. I know time will tell but I think some improvement must come soon. If my negative talk causes UK to loose 10 games this year I am sorry. I didn't know my opinion was that powerful.

[Art]

From the "fire Tubby Smith Petition-

"To: Lee Todd, President; Mitch Barnhart, Athletic Director

When Tubby Smith accepted the position as the University of Kentucky’s Men’s Basketball Head Coach, he was fully aware of the Kentucky tradition, the high expectations for the team, and the fact that we had just appeared in two consecutive NCAA Tournament finals. He assumed the responsibility for managing and maintaining the winningest program in college basketball.

Tubby Smith has not upheld the high standards of Kentucky basketball. Year after year, he fails to successfully recruit the level of talent necessary to keep our program competitive with the top basketball programs. His player development skills are woefully inadequate. His style of play is moribund. We cannot rebound. We cannot press. He consistently fails to have his teams prepared for games and fails to motivate the players to play their best. It is obvious that his players do not enjoy playing his style of basketball. It is no longer fun or exciting for them to play, or for us to watch Kentucky basketball. Instead of contending for national championships, Kentucky is considered a "winnable" game by the most pedestrian opponents. As one commentator lamented, “Kentucky is no longer feared.”

This letter is not written simply out of frustration over the recent play of our team, although that has been appalling. It is the culmination of frustrations that have accumulated during Tubby Smith’s tenure as Head Coach. Kentucky did not become an elite program overnight. We did not fall from the ranks of the elite overnight. The current situation is due to his consistent inability to attract top players, his style of play, his failure to develop talent, and his repeated failure to realistically contend for the national championship over the past seven years.

Tubby Smith is an honorable man. He has run a clean program and has represented the University with integrity. But it is time to recognize that he is unable to maintain the UK Basketball tradition. It is time to make a coaching change for the good of the program.

Sincerely, "


Sure sounds familiar to me.:D

[3toes]

From the "fire Tubby Smith Petition-

"To: Lee Todd, President; Mitch Barnhart, Athletic Director

When Tubby Smith accepted the position as the University of Kentucky’s Men’s Basketball Head Coach, he was fully aware of the Kentucky tradition, the high expectations for the team, and the fact that we had just appeared in two consecutive NCAA Tournament finals. He assumed the responsibility for managing and maintaining the winningest program in college basketball.

Tubby Smith has not upheld the high standards of Kentucky basketball. Year after year, he fails to successfully recruit the level of talent necessary to keep our program competitive with the top basketball programs. His player development skills are woefully inadequate. His style of play is moribund. We cannot rebound. We cannot press. He consistently fails to have his teams prepared for games and fails to motivate the players to play their best. It is obvious that his players do not enjoy playing his style of basketball. It is no longer fun or exciting for them to play, or for us to watch Kentucky basketball. Instead of contending for national championships, Kentucky is considered a "winnable" game by the most pedestrian opponents. As one commentator lamented, “Kentucky is no longer feared.”

This letter is not written simply out of frustration over the recent play of our team, although that has been appalling. It is the culmination of frustrations that have accumulated during Tubby Smith’s tenure as Head Coach. Kentucky did not become an elite program overnight. We did not fall from the ranks of the elite overnight. The current situation is due to his consistent inability to attract top players, his style of play, his failure to develop talent, and his repeated failure to realistically contend for the national championship over the past seven years.

Tubby Smith is an honorable man. He has run a clean program and has represented the University with integrity. But it is time to recognize that he is unable to maintain the UK Basketball tradition. It is time to make a coaching change for the good of the program.

Sincerely, "


Sure sounds familiar to me.:D

The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree, it should sound familiar:rolleyes:

[bladeslinger]

The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree, it should sound familiar:rolleyes: I agree 100% on that one 3toes.;) :D

[ryan hickey]

All I know is when Tubby came to UK it was off 2 straight championship games. Tubby then won the championship the next year and it has been all down hill since.I know UK went through the SEC undefeated a couple years ago, but then they played horrible in the NCAA tournament. Even though UK has came close to making the final four a couple times in the past few years, its like they have no execution at all at the end of games. I know we can't judge everything by one bad season, I have seen very bad teams turn around and become good teams. That said I think it is time to see some improvement at UK. I don't UK fans should be watching selection Sunday to see if UK is in the tourament. When Tubby came to Uk it was probably the top program in the country and now UK is at its lowest point since 1990. I know time will tell but I think some improvement must come soon. If my negative talk causes UK to loose 10 games this year I am sorry. I didn't know my opinion was that powerful.



a WHOLE lot of truth here bf - especially about execution. i ain't here to say tubby CAN'T or shouldn't be replaced at all - rather that it ain't time yet. if they don't play any better as a team next year (and quite honestly i REALLY believe that they will), THEN maybe i will start to agree with some of the bashers.

imo bf, this ain't negative bashing talk. besides, there is only ONE coach i can think of who is available at this point that i would want here instead of tubby - know who that one coach is?

[Carl]

Louisville IS the university of KY:D:D:D


:D :D ;) Ain't that the truth - LOL. They (U.L.) just can't stand the fact that they are that "other university" in Kentucky.

[3toes]

a WHOLE lot of truth here bf - especially about execution. i ain't here to say tubby CAN'T or shouldn't be replaced at all - rather that it ain't time yet. if they don't play any better as a team next year (and quite honestly i REALLY believe that they will), THEN maybe i will start to agree with some of the bashers.

imo bf, this ain't negative bashing talk. besides, there is only ONE coach i can think of who is available at this point that i would want here instead of tubby - know who that one coach is?

Good post Ryan. I agree it's to early to make a change now.

[maxcam]

Good post Ryan. I agree it's to early to make a change now.

How much more time do you need 3toes.....Wont be long and you are going to be walking on a peg leg......This dismal crap will take at least 3 years to turn around if Tubby lands back to back stellar recruiting classes. I got news for you that aint going to happen because he has failed to produce one yet. Tubby is a good man. He deserved a shot at a top tier program, but for what ever reason he cannot get it done at THE apex of college basketball. There is more to being the coach at the University of Kentucky than winning the SEC.....He has a coaching staff that has been stagnant. You dont see anyone leaving and going off to further their careers. Wake up and smell the coffee.....

[3toes]

How much more time do you need 3toes.....Wont be long and you are going to be walking on a peg leg......This dismal crap will take at least 3 years to turn around if Tubby lands back to back stellar recruiting classes. I got news for you that aint going to happen because he has failed to produce one yet. Tubby is a good man. He deserved a shot at a top tier program, but for what ever reason he cannot get it done at THE apex of college basketball. There is more to being the coach at the University of Kentucky than winning the SEC.....He has a coaching staff that has been stagnant. You dont see anyone leaving and going off to further their careers. Wake up and smell the coffee.....

No thanks max, I don't drink coffee!!! I am so glad you have it down to a science that 3 years is the time table. You need to give Mitch a call. I dont' need any time, you see, I support the program through thick or thin and don't sit around bad mouthing everytime something doesn't click with the bandwagon fans.I may not agree with what is going on or how things went last year but the program is not in shambles as all you so called big blue fans would want to believe. If next season is the same results as last then things should be shaken up but don't jump ship in the middle of the ocean.

[Art]

I think it's obvious that we have yet another season of Tubby ball coming upon us. NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND NONE WILL BE MADE. At least until after next season. So what it seems to me is that most of us are putting are bets on the success of the upcoming season and not actually thinking that we are trying to change coaches right now..

I say we all quit bickering and put our money where our mouth is so to speak. I'm willing to bet anyone anything that UK does not even come close to the final four this coming season, again. Now, I know betting for money is of poor character but I think we can come up with something along the same lines. Ryan Hickey, help me out here please. It has to be good, the losers have to feel some pain.;) .

Here's what I'll do aside from any other bets. I will personally go over to Tubby's house and donate a minimum of $500 to his charity in the name of 3toes and friends if we make it to the final four....and I'll video tape it and or take pictures of it all.

What will the Ray Charles group do if we don't? It's gut check time fellas and it's for a good cause.:D Talk is cheap.:cool:

[3toes]

I think it's obvious that we have yet another season of Tubby ball coming upon us. NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND NONE WILL BE MADE. At least until after next season. So what it seems to me is that most of us are putting are bets on the success of the upcoming season and not actually thinking that we are trying to change coaches right now..

I say we all quit bickering and put our money where our mouth is so to speak. I'm willing to bet anyone anything that UK does not even come close to the final four this coming season, again. Now, I know betting for money is of poor character but I think we can come up with something along the same lines. Ryan Hickey, help me out here please. It has to be good, the losers have to feel some pain.;) .

Here's what I'll do aside from any other bets. I will personally go over to Tubby's house and donate a minimum of $500 to his charity in the name of 3toes and friends if we make it to the final four....and I'll video tape it and or take pictures of it all.

What will the Ray Charles group do if we don't? It's gut check time fellas and it's for a good cause.:D Talk is cheap.:cool:

No thanks art,I'll pass on your little game. For someone that is supposed to be IGNORED,IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS READING!!:D My money doesn't go where my mouth is. It goes to my FAMILY!!!!!!!! As for donating to charity, we see that gets done through our Church.No one here on this end bickering, just tired of all the nagative talk on everything. I also do not need you to call a gutcheck, you see, I have already experienced that when my child fought through a serious illness, so I don't need you to tell me about gut checks.We'll see where the season goes next year and if you are correct I will be the first to tell you so until then I will stay positive toward the Cats (football & basketball) and support every thing they do.

[bladeslinger]

Louisville IS the university of KY:D:D:D Sorry there Carl, "whoisville" will always be that other university in Ky.. Although it does seem that you are a Louisville fan and stick by your team and I can respect that. I do have to say though that you may had been dropped on your head at birth or something and that clouds your thinking.:p :D

[bladeslinger]

a WHOLE lot of truth here bf - especially about execution. i ain't here to say tubby CAN'T or shouldn't be replaced at all - rather that it ain't time yet. if they don't play any better as a team next year (and quite honestly i REALLY believe that they will), THEN maybe i will start to agree with some of the bashers.

imo bf, this ain't negative bashing talk. besides, there is only ONE coach i can think of who is available at this point that i would want here instead of tubby - know who that one coach is? I can respect and agree with your post rh. I also can respect someone who can disagree with Tubby's coaching if they present it in just that way and not try and disrespect any post that may disagree with them. Opinions and discussion are what sites/forums like this are about.

[bladeslinger]

One of the problems / questions that I have is that I just can't see how someone can say that they are a true U.K. fan and support the Cats and then turn around and slam the coach every chance they get. I mean I have questions and frustrations also but to me you cannot support one w/o supporting the other. It is all the U.K. team and we have enough outside hatred for us as it is w/o creating it amoung our own fan base. I can't stand Brooks but I support him bc he is the coach in football. I can support ALL coaches while still disagreeing with them. When the coach/coaches are gone then I will support the next coach as well. It's as simple as that.

[3toes]

One of the problems / questions that I have is that I just can't see how someone can say that they are a true U.K. fan and support the Cats and then turn around and slam the coach every chance they get. I mean I have questions and frustrations also but to me you cannot support one w/o supporting the other. It is all the U.K. team and we have enough outside hatred for us as it is w/o creating it amoung our own fan base. I can't stand Brooks but I support him bc he is the coach in football. I can support ALL coaches while still disagreeing with them. When the coach/coaches are gone then I will support the next coach as well. It's as simple as that.

GREAT POST BLADE!!! I think you said what I and others have been trying to say.

[naturalelite]

I don't agree with this. You say in order to support Kentucky basketball I have to like the coach??? That is just crazy imo. I bleed blue and white and I haven't liked a coach that kentucky has had since Joe B Hall. I thought sutton was a two face hipocrate, pitino was an arrogant puke, and I hate tubby's defense slow paced game. Any coach that is at Kentucky is going to be under a microscope and I will probably not like the next coach at UK but to say I don't support the UK basketball Program because I don't like the coach is inaccurate. Is anyone happy with the current state of the UK basketball program? I along with a vast majority of Kentucky Fans are not.

Ryan Hickey Is a die hard tubby supporter and has taken up for him on this forum more than anyone could imagine and look at his last post. If they don't play any better as a team next year then maybe I will start to believe some of the bashers We all love Uk basketball or we wouldn't care what state the program is in. And I think its our God given right to question and bash the program when it isn't running to our satisfaction. And who else should we be discussing this with but other DIEHARD UK FANS. UK BASKETBALL IS BROKE AND IT NEEDS FIXED PERIOD.......

[grouser68]

"MONEY IS THE ROOT TO ALL EVIL" Is it really? Don't you have to add a few things to that? There are tons of evils and I don't believe you can blame one certain thing on evil! The same with Tubby and the cats.Does anyone know a PERFECT coach? All coaches make major mistakes! Can Tubby get the #1 recruiting class every year? No! Is Tubby ball the best? No! I think we should look at the times, and other factors: Young men have changed, how many players did Joe B. lose to the NBA? Coaching styles have changed(scores used to look like 24-15),everything has changed! We have had longer droughts than this between championships. I think on average we win a championship every 15 years!And yet we continue to support our team. They have to win! Also, they have to lose! We wont be due for another championship till 2013,I can watch, and support our team, and enjoy every minute of it until then! I hope you all can too, no matter who the coach is!

[3toes]

Well said grouser, spoken like a true UK fan!!

[3toes]

I don't agree with this. You say in order to support Kentucky basketball I have to like the coach??? That is just crazy imo. I bleed blue and white and I haven't liked a coach that kentucky has had since Joe B Hall. I thought sutton was a two face hipocrate, pitino was an arrogant puke, and I hate tubby's defense slow paced game. Any coach that is at Kentucky is going to be under a microscope and I will probably not like the next coach at UK but to say I don't support the UK basketball Program because I don't like the coach is inaccurate. Is anyone happy with the current state of the UK basketball program? I along with a vast majority of Kentucky Fans are not.

Ryan Hickey Is a die hard tubby supporter and has taken up for him on this forum more than anyone could imagine and look at his last post. We all love Uk basketball or we wouldn't care what state the program is in. And I think its our God given right to question and bash the program when it isn't running to our satisfaction. And who else should we be discussing this with but other DIEHARD UK FANS. UK BASKETBALL IS BROKE AND IT NEEDS FIXED PERIOD.......

I don't think anyone said that you had to like the coach. They only ask that UK fans support the coach and his decisions no matter who he is or what he does. WE may not agree or like what he does but the fact is he is running the program. I don't like Brooks but I go to each game and support the kids and the program on a daily basis without sitting around crying about what should be or should not be done. You are correct in saying you have a right to bash the program if you wish but do you really think that helps anything at all. It only makes you sound like a crybaby fan that thinks they know more than coaches who make a living TEACHING kids and preparing them for life after athletics.

[naturalelite]

They only ask that UK fans support the coach and his decisions no matter who he is or what he does. That is the most close minded statement I have ever heard in my life? That is just like saying noone can argue or disagree with the president because he is the most powerful man in the world. Brooks is a great coach look at the football program before he got here and look at the direction he has them going. How could you like Tubby Smith who was handed the best team in country and turned it into an average Div 1 team and dislike brooks who inherited one of the worst teams in college football and has gotten a great recruiting class the last two years and looking to possible have a winning season and reach a bowl this year?? When the UK baseball and football team are ranked ahead of the basketball team we have problems. If you don't agree get your head out of the sand. Did that make me sound like a crybaby OR A CONCERNED FAN. OR CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE

[kyfanatic]

I'll bet you Tubby Lovers supported Eddie Sutton at the end because he was the "Coach" at the University of Kentucky didn't you? Like I said I've been a UK fan for over 50 years and you want to call me a "bandwagon" fan? I'd say only those blind or ignorant stay on a sinking ship(coach) until it goes under.
Old saying is "Nothing Changes If Nothing Changes" well Tubby hasn't changed a thing in 9 years.

[Art]

I think we have some closet Chris Lofton and TN fans here who like Tubby so much because KY no longer dominates and they like watching Lofton OWN us every game we play them.:D

Has anyone considered my bet yet? I never said what YOU would have to do if you lose all I said is what I will do if I lose-big difference. That can be up to you, I really don't care what it is.


UK football? I'm not going there.

[bladeslinger]

I don't agree with this. You say in order to support Kentucky basketball I have to like the coach??? That is just crazy imo. I bleed blue and white and I haven't liked a coach that kentucky has had since Joe B Hall. I thought sutton was a two face hipocrate, pitino was an arrogant puke, and I hate tubby's defense slow paced game. Any coach that is at Kentucky is going to be under a microscope and I will probably not like the next coach at UK but to say I don't support the UK basketball Program because I don't like the coach is inaccurate. Is anyone happy with the current state of the UK basketball program? I along with a vast majority of Kentucky Fans are not.

Ryan Hickey Is a die hard tubby supporter and has taken up for him on this forum more than anyone could imagine and look at his last post. We all love Uk basketball or we wouldn't care what state the program is in. And I think its our God given right to question and bash the program when it isn't running to our satisfaction. And who else should we be discussing this with but other DIEHARD UK FANS. UK BASKETBALL IS BROKE AND IT NEEDS FIXED PERIOD....... I for one am / was not saying that you have to "like" the coach, I just believe that we need to support the coach as true U.K. fans. That doesn't mean that we agree with his "O"'s and "D"s that he runs. this team is Kentucky and whether or not I like the coach or not I will support him bc he is the coach. I have openly said that their needs to be a shakeup in the staff and recruiting, does that mean I don't support Tubby............ I do support him the same as I supported "tricky ricky" and "AA Sutton" when they were here. They were / are the coach and to me anyway that is a main part of the team. No one is going to like everything about any coach that comes along, it just won't happen. I am simply saying that as true U.K. fans (which I believe that we all are by the way) that we need to suport the program totally, the coach whether we like him or not. I have said that I can't stand Brooks in football and I think that he was a bad choice but that doesn't mean that I don't support him as coach bc he is the U.K. football coach. Yes, I think that there are things that need fixed and I / we probably always will no matter who is at the helm. I am not saying that ANYONE is not a U.K. fan bc I believe that you are. I just think as I said that everyone needs to get behind the coach and not have a "house divided" so to speak. i personally believe that the Cats will have a better record this coming season than last year, final four ?/ - I doubt it but I do belive that Rondo, although talented was a cancer to the team and that U.K. will be better off w/o his lousy "all about me" attitude. We will have a better team chemistry so to speak. Oh well, I just wanted to say my peace on that subject as I have a right to as well as you guys do and you can disagree with me as well as I can you and keep it in a respectable manner. If we all had the same opinions on here then there a site. I will treat everyones post with respect whether or not I agree or disagree with it. That imo has to go both ways, to say that "is the most ridiculous statement tha I hav ever heard" is not showing any respect imo - you can disagree, that is fine but just state that you disagree and post why that you do. Belive me there are acouple on here that I severely question their intelligence but I try and not call them out unles they have me. I belive that we can just agree to disagree and keep it in a classy manner. At least most can and I am not trying to single you out at all naturalelite.

[bladeslinger]

"MONEY IS THE ROOT TO ALL EVIL" Is it really? Don't you have to add a few things to that? There are tons of evils and I don't believe you can blame one certain thing on evil! The same with Tubby and the cats.Does anyone know a PERFECT coach? All coaches make major mistakes! Can Tubby get the #1 recruiting class every year? No! Is Tubby ball the best? No! I think we should look at the times, and other factors: Young men have changed, how many players did Joe B. lose to the NBA? Coaching styles have changed(scores used to look like 24-15),everything has changed! We have had longer droughts than this between championships. I think on average we win a championship every 15 years!And yet we continue to support our team. They have to win! Also, they have to lose! We wont be due for another championship till 2013,I can watch, and support our team, and enjoy every minute of it until then! I hope you all can too, no matter who the coach is! Good post grouser although I think that we better win another championship before 2013. LOL:D

[bladeslinger]

I think we have some closet Chris Lofton and TN fans here who like Tubby so much because KY no longer dominates and they like watching Lofton OWN us every game we play them.:D

Has anyone considered my bet yet? I never said what YOU would have to do if you lose all I said is what I will do if I lose-big difference. That can be up to you, I really don't care what it is.


UK football? I'm not going there. "Example A" of what I was talking about not showing any respect bc someone disagrees - Before some one comes back, you have to show resapect before you can get respect in my book. By the way I was p/o'd about not aking Lofton also and I am not going there with U.K. football either, just that I do support them. I have stated my opinion of Brooks well enough.

[bladeslinger]

Has anyone considered my bet yet? I never said what YOU would have to do if you lose all I said is what I will do if I lose-big difference. That can be up to you, I really don't care what it is.


The answer to you question is no and I really don't care what you do either.:D

[Art]

Blade, I wish you gave me the same respect as you did others who say the exact same thing as I do but neither you nor your buddy have since this all started for whatever reason. You just typed a book on respect and maturity and then you take another shot at me and "question my intelligence" at the end, again....:confused: What's up w/ that?

You don't know me OR my intelligence level, all you know is that I don't "support" Tubby's actions anymore. Is that enough to render judgement about someone and their intelligence level or is it actually making a statement about your level of respect and maturity?:confused:

I'd personally like to have fun here and I'd like to consider everyone on here a friend and a brother. I'll do anything to help any of you guys. The guys I'm closest to on here are the same ones that I've had the biggest disagreements (fights) with. That's because we've looked past what we disagree about and focus on what we do agree with. None of this is serious enough to drag someone through the mud every chance you get. I get up in your neck of the woods several times a year to hunt and camp and I'd rather know that I have a couple of buddies up that way rather than a couple of guys that can't stand me and give me all types of negative lables just because I think Tubby is no longer good for UK.

[bladeslinger]

Blade, I wish you gave me the same respect as you did others who say the exact same thing as I do but neither you nor your buddy have since this all started for whatever reason. You just typed a book on respect and maturity and then you take another shot at me and "question my intelligence" at the end, again....:confused: What's up w/ that?

You don't know me OR my intelligence level, all you know is that I don't "support" Tubby's actions anymore. Is that enough to render judgement about someone and their intelligence level or is it actually making a statement about your level of respect and maturity?:confused:

Like I said in my post earlier, I have be shown respect in order to give it. From now on I will do my best not to respond to any of your post and I ask that you do the same with mine. I have taken a few of your post as an "indirect shot" at me and that is why I quoted some of them and came back on your post. I will back down (although I am disabled) from no one and I will come back on any statement that I percieve to be a "shot" or "slam" on me. Let's just call a semi truce on these matters and agree to disagree, o.k.? I will if you will.

[bladeslinger]

By the way art, I wasn't calling you out personally on the "questioning intelligence" comment, just the there are a few on her that I do.;) :)

[Art]

Like I said in my post earlier, I have be shown respect in order to give it. From now on I will do my best not to respond to any of your post and I ask that you do the same with mine. I have taken a few of your post as an "indirect shot" at me and that is why I quoted some of them and came back on your post. I will back down (although I am disabled) from no one and I will come back on any statement that I percieve to be a "shot" or "slam" on me. Let's just call a semi truce on these matters and agree to disagree, o.k.? I will if you will.

I've been willing all along. A truce is fine with me although you have a funny way of putting it. I'm not really looking to avoid you or your post and I'm not asking that of you either. I just want to move on past this Tubby BS. I would like to believe that it would take more than this for you (or anyone else) to dislike me.

We could go round and round about all of this but is it really that important? I know what set me off and you know what set you off, let's just let it go. Nothing that I have said was unprevoked and I'm sure I said some things that were out of line as well. My apology and I hope we can have some good discussions about something other than basketball in the future..(because I'm not changing my position!):D

[Art]

By the way art, I wasn't calling you out personally on the "questioning intelligence" comment, just the there are a few on her that I do.;) :)

There's PLENTY of guys on here that I question their intelligence.:D
I just thought you were speaking directly to me since you had already claimed that I was the "unarmed man" in the battle of wits. The two comments shared a common theme.:D

[bladeslinger]

I've been willing all along. A truce is fine with me although you have a funny way of putting it. I'm not really looking to avoid you or your post and I'm not asking that of you either. I just want to move on past this Tubby BS. I would like to believe that it would take more than this for you (or anyone else) to dislike me.

We could go round and round about all of this but is it really that important? I know what set me off and you know what set you off, let's just let it go. Nothing that I have said was unprevoked and I'm sure I said some things that were out of line as well. My apology and I hope we can have some good discussions about something other than basketball in the future..(because I'm not changing my position!):D You got it, you are 100% correct imo that when you get right down to it that none of what anyone thinks is really going to matter. I am not going to change my positon either:D unless what I had posted eartlier in a thread (can't remember which one after all of this now) in that if things don't start to change drastically within the next year or two, I will be the first one to say that it is time for a change. But enough about basketball (and that is hard for a U.K. fan:D ) for now. The "truce" is accepted. all of this is just not worth it, it is let go as far as I am concerned.

[ryan hickey]

i'm still workin somethin up for this art - the bet i mean. i want it to be good - i'll let ya know though, we GOTTA make this fun somehow - weather da cats get any better or not :cool:


I think we have some closet Chris Lofton and TN fans here who like Tubby so much because KY no longer dominates and they like watching Lofton OWN us every game we play them.:D

Has anyone considered my bet yet? I never said what YOU would have to do if you lose all I said is what I will do if I lose-big difference. That can be up to you, I really don't care what it is.


UK football? I'm not going there.

[naturalelite]

That imo has to go both ways, to say that "is the most ridiculous statement tha I hav ever heard" is not showing any respect imo - you can disagree, that is fine but just state that you disagree and post why that you do. Belive me there are acouple on here that I severely question their intelligence but I try and not call them out unles they have me. I belive that we can just agree to disagree and keep it in a classy manner. At least most can and I am not trying to single you out at all naturalelite. Since everyone is being friends I just wanted to clear one thing up I didn't say it was the most rediculous statement I ever heard just the most closeminded statement I had ever heard. I am not one to bash other forum members I am a lover not a fighter. :D And just because I voted for art for president doesn't mean I always agree with him just when it comes to Tubby Smith:D Let the good times roll. GO CATS