Improvements to KY Concealed Carry Law?

[DocHunter]

I was browsing through a complete list of bill passed by this General Assembly, and I did not find, or overlooked, any bill which had been introduced that improved our concealed carry law and provided for our concealed carry permit to bypass the "instant check" system when purchasing a gun. I thought this bill was passed by both the Kentucky House and Senate. I have forgotten the bill number. Does anyone know what happened to this legislation and what the bill number was?

[quackrstackr]

http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25799&highlight=concealed+carry

[DocHunter]

Neither HB 290 or SB 38 is listed on the Kentucky State Legislature site (http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/06RS/PAS_L.htm) as among the bills which have been passed. Have these bills been sidetracked into some kind of conference or committee and not actually becoming law? What has actually happened to these bills? If some kind of legislative subterfuge is going on in regard to these two important bills, we need to raise all kinds of he** with our legislators.

[quackrstackr]

I haven't heard anything other than what I remembered seeing in that thread.

Maybe Birdman will see this thread and can enlighten us.

If you can post to that thread I'm sure he would probably see it.

[Art]

How would you bypass the instant check? Are they just going to sell the gun like it's a box of ammo and send you on your way with no paper records?

[quackrstackr]

The paperwork isn't the instant check.

The paperwork still had to be done and submitted way before that was ever mandated. The instant check is that phone call that you have to wait around for them to make so they can do a background check and make sure you're not lying about what you put on the paperwork.

Only makes sense that CCW license holders shouldn't have to go through that part of it. If they have the license, they already pass all criteria that phone call checks.

[Art]

The paperwork isn't the instant check.

The paperwork still had to be done and submitted way before that was ever mandated. The instant check is that phone call that you have to wait around for them to make so they can do a background check and make sure you're not lying about what you put on the paperwork.

Only makes sense that CCW license holders shouldn't have to go through that part of it. If they have the license, they already pass all criteria that phone call checks.

Oh. Thats a good idea and it makes sense but that instant check is really no big deal to me. It kinds of adds to the excitment.

[quackrstackr]

Not a huge issue unless you have something like has happened to me on a few occasions.... the computer system at the call center is down or some other technical malfunction on either end.

Knocked me out of being able to pick up a gun for a week once and kept me hanging around for an hour during one purchase and over two hours during another. I've had my CCW license since they started issuing the things, I should have just been able to produce the license and number and gone on my way.

[Multidigits]

Quack, you must have bad luck. I've called the NICS number probably a couple of hundred times since it started and have never been put on hold or had a delay. Never sold a gun to anyone that was rejected--all so far have been instant. Actually, it takes about 5 minutes from start to finish.

As for letting a CCW permit take it's place, I'm wondering how current it would be. If a guy violates after his license is granted, he would still have the permit, yet NICS would show that he was a NO SELL. NICS would be better.

[mossyhorns]

I have seen times when the check system was down for some reason and no guns could be sold. It just wizzes me off that someone has to call someone else and ask them if I can buy a damn gun.

While we are on the subject, what about gun registration? Explain to me how gun registration is used to catch felons who couldn't pass the registration process in the first place. The only thing I see about registration is it's used to implicate whomever is in the gun's chain of ownership.

Thanks to our wide-ranging set of laws that govern gun ownership, the majority of law-abiding gun owners are now law-breakers because we keep a gun in the glove box or in our console or under the seat, or in our coat pocket, or because we have one in our vehicle when we park at a school. I suppose a gun stuck in a travel bag is against the law also? Go figure.

[DocHunter]

I have seen times when the check system was down for some reason and no guns could be sold. It just wizzes me off that someone has to call someone else and ask them if I can buy a damn gun.

While we are on the subject, what about gun registration? Explain to me how gun registration is used to catch felons who couldn't pass the registration process in the first place. The only thing I see about registration is it's used to implicate whomever is in the gun's chain of ownership.

Thanks to our wide-ranging set of laws that govern gun ownership, the majority of law-abiding gun owners are now law-breakers because we keep a gun in the glove box or in our console or under the seat, or in our coat pocket, or because we have one in our vehicle when we park at a school. I suppose a gun stuck in a travel bag is against the law also? Go figure.

You certainly hit the nail on the head. Anyone with criminal intent with a gun has to violate numerous federal laws with mandatory sentences BEFORE he actually uses the gun. All the registrations and regulations do is create aggravation for all of us honest people. All the anti-gun squalling in the world does not change that reality. If the current laws were enforced, there would be no reason to even suggest more stringent restricitions on gun ownership.