The faces of crystal meth.

[nitrox28]

What is wrong with people?? You know, if you want to kill yourself just eat a bullet or jump off a cliff. No reason to drag it out over several years.

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/DrugIssue/MethResources/faces/index.html#

[Art]

You can always tell by the big sores on their face. I had a friend at work get mixed up on that crap and his face has sores all over it. I couldn't help but make fun of him.

[nitrox28]

Not being a dick, but you should have tried helping him instead.

[trust me]

I know a girl whose brother got messed up in that crap. He's pulling Federal time in West Virginia right now. He told her that when he tried it the first time, he knew he was bought and paid for. Apparently there is no turning back from that stuff.

They bring these meth heads into the hospitals after they set themselves on fire, and they have to decontaminate the whole place. They have this toxic crap on their skin, in their clothes, and if you come into contact with that stuff you run a high risk of having it permeate your skin and get in your bloodstream. Nasty crap. And it's been around over 100 years.

They used to prescribe it to tired and depressed housewives to pep them up at the end of the day. Can't you just see Ward Cleaver coming home to find a scabby-faced June hopped up on Crank? :eek:

[Art]

Not being a dick, but you should have tried helping him instead.

Let's just say that there are some people you just can't help. It's not like life is an ABC after school special. The only way you can help people like that is to put them in jail. I won't take his calls since he came over to a good friends house and left his crack/meth pipe outside for all the neighbors and the landlord to see. These type of people will only take you down with them, you can't do anything for them. Take my word for it, I've been to that rodeo several times in the past 5 years.

[PhilpotHunter]

Let's just say that there are some people you just can't help. It's not like life is an ABC after school special. The only way you can help people like that is to put them in jail. I won't take his calls since he came over to a good friends house and left his crack/meth pipe outside for all the neighbors and the landlord to see. These type of people will only take you down with them, you can't do anything for them. Take my word for it, I've been to that rodeo several times in the past 5 years.

These people have to crash and burn on there own. I have a family member who had to reach rock bottom before they even tried to come off the crap.

[Art]

These people have to crash and burn on there own. I have a family member who had to reach rock bottom before they even tried to come off the crap.

Yep. It's one thing if it's a kid, but when you're dealing with an adult there's just not much you can do in most cases.

[Auk1124]

You can always tell by the big sores on their face. I had a friend at work get mixed up on that crap and his face has sores all over it. I couldn't help but make fun of him.

When they get in jail they sell their scabs to other meth addicts, because their scabs contain meth residue from their blood stream. Nothing pretty or nice about it.

[95bravo]

I had a very long conversation with a drug dealer in jail (I worked there) one night the topic was why meth is huge in the country side and not in urban area's. He told me that city kids that have had cocaine will snort enough meth to kill themselves 10 times over. The amount of cocaine it takes to get high is the same to OD on meth. He said that he did not have enough time to educate his buyers and that people ODing was bad for business. Thought I would share.

[nitrox28]

When they get in jail they sell their scabs to other meth addicts, because their scabs contain meth residue from their blood stream. Nothing pretty or nice about it.

That's effing sick dude!

[Deertracker1]

Daughter of a good friend of mine was found dead last night.
She got shot 28 years old....All because of that crap...

[watermelon3308]

its pretty bad when you cant even drive or walk down the streets any more because of the crackheads.sometimes i think the cops just ignore the problem.

[Deertracker1]

They rather put the pothead in jail. They are not as expensive to treat....I should say....there's no cost...Meth does more than affect the individual...it affects all that are in contact with them...
This is just another reason why I dislike politics....:mad:

[Monster-Chaser]

These people have to crash and burn on there own. I have a family member who had to reach rock bottom before they even tried to come off the crap.

Some of these people would rather drink from the toilet, than to allow someone to offer them a sense of opportunity.

Believe me, Cops don't ignore this type of activity. They may overlook the toothless meth addicts, but they do give a damn when it comes to the producers and distributors. All the law enforcement officers I know, acknowledge the fact that this has become one of KY's more serious of problems.

[Art]

If they start giving a mandatory life sentence to manufacturers, we MIGHT start to see a decline.

[Monster-Chaser]

If they start giving a mandatory life sentence to manufacturers, we MIGHT start to see a decline.

Yeah Right, We all know that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment!

It's sad when our polititions can't come to some agreement on what to do with criminals. Society must learn, that harsher punishments for these thugs and drug pushers, Equals the decline in amount of LOSERS! You also have to blame JUDGES for setting precedents in these cases, for minimal punishment.:mad:

[PhilpotHunter]

Might not be perfect, but saying that law enforcement is just turning its head isn't the truth. Here in Daviess County we have one of the guys who is nationally known for fighting meth, Keith Cain, our sheriff. And he has done a hell of a lot to try and put a dent in the problem.

What makes it so hard is you can be in and out of a lab within hours of starting and be done with drugs to sell. How can you fight that? What needs to happen is all those people out there who are mad at law enforcement for whatever reason need to re-direct that anger at the cookers and dealers. If you even suspect you know someone cooking this crap, pick up the phone and get a cop over there quick. Call me a nark all you want, but I'll be damned if some crack head is going to cook that stuff around me, risking my life, then turn around and sell it to the kids in my area, then get busted and suck my tax dollars on jail and drug court just to get out and do it again.
I'm the first one to pick up the phone and call the sheriff if I even get a slight hint of anhydrous out of season.

[skin_dog1]

They rather put the pothead in jail. They are not as expensive to treat....I should say....there's no cost...Meth does more than affect the individual...it affects all that are in contact with them...
This is just another reason why I dislike politics....:mad:I agree that nopt all cops are perfect, I used to have a bad opinion of law enforcement. Suffer a few bad experiences and you label everyone. Well I'm here to tell you that most cops want that crap off the street as badly as anyone!!! The problem isn't with cops putting them in jail, its the judges, jury, and defense attorneys getting them out! Do something to change the system, not bash the ones out there trying to do right. It makes me sick sometimes when I see these types get smacked on the hand. I recomend anyone that has this opinion to do a few ridealongs with a local police officer. Then go sit in court a few times. I think you'll quickly see where the system is flawed!

[watermelon3308]

when you drive through cov. or cinci.and there trying to flag you down in broad daylight to try to sell you the garbage.tell me the cops dont know what their up to .they see it as well as anyone else does.why dont they do something about it.if their not ignoring it.

[Carl]

and the B@$t*rds that make it or sell it. My daughter got on meth and it has ruined her life. The really sad part is that her kids had to go through this mess. She lost everything, including her kids. All she cares about is getting "high". I could not stand to see these little girls going to a foster home and maybe being split up so now I have gone from being a paw paw to a combination paw paw and a dad. I am now raising all 3 girls, ages 7, 9, and 1 and trying to see that they have the best life that I can provide for them. The baby was only 2 weeks old when I got her and for all she knows, I am "dad"....she calls me daddy. I just hope I live long enough to see the little one graduate college......that would be really nice.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/crmiller/tab125.jpg

[trust me]

Carl,
Good for you. It takes a stand-up person to devote their life to innocent children the way you have. If it makes you feel any better (it won't), you aren't alone as over 50% of the children in my county are being raised by non-parents, mostly grandparents like you, and some other family and friends. Lifestyle choices have taken away from priorities such as jobs, family, church, etc.

Our society feels that if you can't raise kids, give'm away. If you can't make the car payment, turn it in. Don't like your spouse, get a divorce. No problem.

At least there are a few people (like you) willing to step up.

[skin_dog1]

when you drive through cov. or cinci.and there trying to flag you down in broad daylight to try to sell you the garbage.tell me the cops dont know what their up to .they see it as well as anyone else does.why dont they do something about it.if their not ignoring it.I'd guess there are too many crack heads and not enough cops. I'd also guess that you don't get to see alot of what actually happens in drug enforcement. I've participated in several Drug Task Force raids and I can tell you that alot more goes on behind the scenes than what you realize. I can also tell you that alot of times pedestrians don't even realize whats happening when it does happen. I'm also sure that there are cops out there that look the other way due to the fact that the courts are setup in the favor of the crooks. These burned out cops are in the low minority though.

[Deer Hunter]

Carl,

I am sort of in the same boat as you are in. My daughter got hooked on Meth just a little over a year ago. She just more less abandon her baby girl who was 1 year old at the time and the babys father was able to win custody of her. My daughter has another child that is now 3 year's old. She moved back to Tennesee and took him with her. She lives with her Mother who is also hooked on Meth. I just can not explain how i feel seeing these pictures. I have not herd from or seen my daughter since she left. Luckly though for my grand daughter she is out of that mess and i get to see her as offten as i like. Which i see her alot.

Anyone who lays the blame on the cop's are wrong for doing that. Police officers are there to enforce the law and that is the only authority that they have. It is our goverment who is letting us down. And I dont have any more respect for them than i do the drug dealers and dope heads. Actually i probably respect the drug dealers and dope heads more than i do our goverment. Because at least they know what they are doing is wrong and dont try to hide it. Our goverment is suppose to serve and protect us and our familys. And just like someone said. When ever a drug dealer or dope head is put in jail and got before a judge. All they get is a slap on the hand. Our goverment has the power to change that if they wanted to. There is no reason they could punish drug dealers to the point where they would stop what they are doing. If punishing them wont stop them then the death penalty would. If if our prison dont have room then build more prison's. I am not involve in politics in any way. I dont even know what a liberial is or a democrate, republician etc...., But to me you can put the who bunch in a sack and shake them up and dump them out and they will all be the same when you dump them out. But for our drug problem's to end. It is going to have to be our goverment that puts an end to it.

[lymanl3]

and the B@$t*rds that make it or sell it. My daughter got on meth and it has ruined her life. The really sad part is that her kids had to go through this mess. She lost everything, including her kids. All she cares about is getting "high". I could not stand to see these little girls going to a foster home and maybe being split up so now I have gone from being a paw paw to a combination paw paw and a dad. I am now raising all 3 girls, ages 7, 9, and 1 and trying to see that they have the best life that I can provide for them. The baby was only 2 weeks old when I got her and for all she knows, I am "dad"....she calls me daddy. I just hope I live long enough to see the little one graduate college......that would be really nice.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/crmiller/tab125.jpg

Carl,

I appreciate what you are doing and so do those wonderful little ones in more ways than you can ever count. I work for CPS now, and trust me meth is the devils twin. I could tell stories that would make you sick...parents have no regards for their children once that stuff is thrown into the mix. The worst part of my job is removing kids...even if mom and dad are making poor choices those kids still love em to death. Educate this little ones, they will someday be future parents..and stop the cycle.

Lyman

[Art]

I'd guess there are too many crack heads and not enough cops. I'd also guess that you don't get to see alot of what actually happens in drug enforcement. I've participated in several Drug Task Force raids and I can tell you that alot more goes on behind the scenes than what you realize. I can also tell you that alot of times pedestrians don't even realize whats happening when it does happen. I'm also sure that there are cops out there that look the other way due to the fact that the courts are setup in the favor of the crooks. These burned out cops are in the low minority though.

I think we need to stop paying sports figures, rock stars, and entertaiment icons millions of dollars and give this money to teachers and cops. I get so sick when I see all these shows on TV about how people are worth 10's of millions of dollars and yet they have done nothing to make a positive contribution to society to deserve what they have. That wasted money could go towards helping the true heros and the less fortunate instead of a $200,000 car and a 20 million dollar house for a guy that raps about bitches and ho's or has a nice curve ball. I better stop typing, I get angry just thinking about it and I don't want to get red.

[6.5x55swedish]

I have no sypathy for these people, but for two years I had a job that involved cleaning up their lab dump sites. So when you go to work everyday not knowing whether the next foam cooler will blowup on you or not, it is real easy to loose the respect for some people. The worst of it is that they just dump this shit everywhere not even carring if a kid walks up and starts playing with it. But then again they are selling it to kids so I guess they wouldn't!!! Very bad stuff.

[turk2di]

It just amazes me what these people willingly put in thier bodies:(

[turk2di]

Carl,

I appreciate what you are doing and so do those wonderful little ones in more ways than you can ever count. I work for CPS now, and trust me meth is the devils twin. I could tell stories that would make you sick...parents have no regards for their children once that stuff is thrown into the mix. The worst part of my job is removing kids...even if mom and dad are making poor choices those kids still love em to death. Educate this little ones, they will someday be future parents..and stop the cycle.

Lyman
Amen pal!.......

[chadwimc]

And yet, there are assholes who label themselves "Libetarian" that want to end the war on drugs. "To each his own". "Its my body". I always ask them "Which of *YOUR* kids would you surrender to drugs?" "If drugs are harmless and victimless, why don't you want a meth lab next door?"

We oughta adopt a page from the raghead's playbook and lop off some dealer's fingers...

[watermelon3308]

it all goes around in a big circle.police bust drug dealer.drug dealer hires big high dollar lawyer.lawyer gives whoever is involved a peice of the cookie to let the scum bag dealer off easy.as long as they are getting their pockets stuffed the scum will get off easy every time.its just like every thing else money talks and bullshit walks.

[grouseguy]

And yet, there are assholes who label themselves "Libetarian" that want to end the war on drugs. "To each his own". "Its my body". I always ask them "Which of *YOUR* kids would you surrender to drugs?" "If drugs are harmless and victimless, why don't you want a meth lab next door?"

We oughta adopt a page from the raghead's playbook and lop off some dealer's fingers...

I guess that makes me an "asshole" then. Get off of your soapbox and join the real world. NO ONE is advocating the benefits of drugs, but that doesn't mean that we don't recognize the falacy of continuing with a failed policy, either. We are currently $8 trillion in debt, and looking at a 30 year "War on Drugs" that has left us with more drugs (varieties and amounts) on the streets than before we started, and you want us to continue pumping money into this program. IMHO, its foolish to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

Like I said, I am in no way advocating or approving of drug use, but in my profession, I must consider things from a cost/benefit standpoint. So if you have a better, more fiscally sound, way to handle the problem, I, and the rest of the country, are all ears, but continuing on this path is simply throwing all of our tax dollars away.

In all reality, it has been proven over and over, it is simply impossible to legislate morality. The human personality will simply do what they want, whether legal or not, and in most cases, regardless of the penalties.

Furthermore, my Libertarian bent, questions whether "protecting us from ourselves" is truly a function of government. Think about that...is it really the government's job to babysit us, so long as we're not infringing on the rights of someone else.

Sorry to blast you for your post, but when you start calling people "assholes" simply because they have a different outlook, you kind of bring it on yourself.

[aceoky]

I will have to agree with grouseguy on that! :)

About 16 years ago, the head of the KSP, was on T.V. and said "We have spent in excess of $5 million on marijuana "eradication efforts",(helicopters mainly), and have perhaps got .05% for our efforts"!!! (NOW any way you "slice that", that is not much reward for the money spent????).....

I don't know what the answer(s) could be; but I have no doubt that what isn't working needs fixing and in a major way! It makes no good sense to keep throwing money "away", when the fact is, the drug problem is worse than before the "drug war" started....

That is not to say, I am "for drug use or sales", only that what has been done is in no way working, to pretend that it is; well, makes just about as much sense IMHO...

[watermelon3308]

they should pass a law for drug dealers.first offence amputate one hand second offence amputate other hand.third offence life without parole.they need to quit playing around with these people and punish them.they make to much easy money selling drugs and they know they can buy their way out of trouble if they get caught so they dont care.quit playing with the trash and burn it.

[aceoky]

Would never work! "Cruel and unusual punishment" is illegal...........

I do think there has to be a "better way"........what's been done thus far is a waste of time and $$$ and is not working at all, anyway......

[lymanl3]

Would never work! "Cruel and unusual punishment" is illegal...........

I do think there has to be a "better way"........what's been done thus far is a waste of time and $$$ and is not working at all, anyway......

There is no question that all of the success hasnt been achieved without cost, but to say that its NOT working at ALL is not true. Wish you could see the faces of kids when you remove them from an unsafe situation and you would not feel the same.

Lyman

[chadwimc]

I stand by my statement. If you're in favor of abolishing the war on drugs, you're part of the problem. I know several loony Libertarians. A few are into the drug culture. The war on drugs is a war on their lifestyle. The others don't have kids, I imagine they'll change their tune once reality and the resposibilty of parenthood sets in. Look at those kids in the previous post...

[aceoky]

There is no question that all of the success hasnt been achieved without cost, but to say that its NOT working at ALL is not true. Wish you could see the faces of kids when you remove them from an unsafe situation and you would not feel the same.

Lyman

OK........"at all", isn't exactly what I mean.......I''m talking about the money + man hours = results.......not looking so good for anyone IMHO

I would like to think that if we're going to spend millions in our state alone, the results would either be better OR another tactic would be tried...(rather than keep on fighting a losing battle the same exact way).....

Every kid deserves to not have to be around that........the reality is; they are, and the so called war on drugs hasn't changed it enough to be taken "seriously", the data just won't support the "war" as being successful, sure some do get caught, would we accept those same stats on murder for example? I seriously doubt it.....


Well, chadwimc, according to you, I'm part of the problem, that's ok, since that is only your opinion, but I would caution you to not judge people you have not met, and "grouping" people together on any one issue, just isn't actually possible anyway......takes a bit more information than that.....fwiw

The "real problem" (at least a huge part of it) is the amount of money in illegal(and some legal) drugs on the street, remove THAT , and a large part of the problem would soon go away......drug laws are strict enough, that if NOT for the $$$ most wouldn't take the chance....(nor have the $$$ for a very good defense lawyer) :)

I had a LEO tell me for a $200 investment, a "cook" could end up with several thousand dollars worth of Meth.....THAT is why they'll continue to make it and sell it, and as long as it's that way, I'm betting things will continue to get worse........simple facts, no politics involved.....one way or the other.....as long as huge profits are to be made, there will always be people willing to take that money, remove that element, and where is any incentive to risk a very long jail term???

[Xtreme]

Rome is falling and meth is helping "speed" it on it's way.:mad:

[ksp771]

You would be surprised and some of the things I have seen them do to get high. Last year there was an epidemic of female students using Vodka (alcohol) soaked tampons to get high. The alcohol would be absorbed throught the pores of their skin and the track where they inserted. They had the effects of alcohol intoxication but no odor on the breath. I would have never found it out if it were not for one of the females telling me what was going on.
It just amazes me what these people willingly put in thier bodies:(

[JP]

You would be surprised and some of the things I have seen them do to get high. Last year there was an epidemic of female students using Vodka (alcohol) soaked tampons to get high. The alcohol would be absorbed throught the pores of their skin and the track where they inserted. They had the effects of alcohol intoxication but no odor on the breath. I would have never found it out if it were not for one of the females telling me what was going on.

WOW.....I agree with KSP here---you would be surprised....I have spent the last year developing a training course on this nasty little drug called meth...

Did you know that meth is expelled in the urine at around 80% potency...so, (you guessed it---No, nevermind, you didn't) some of these idiots will boil their own urine, separating the drug from the urine...and then injecty jecty again baby. I need say NO MORE ---bad, bad stuff

[raktrakr]

you guys need to read "Bluegrass Conspiracy" if you havent already, but thats another story.

[95bravo]

The war on drugs is a losing battle, but what is the solution? Legalizing meth would be crazy. I know that my tax money is going right down the toilet, and I'm glad to pay it. I like the fact that there is some justice in the world.
I have worked in Corrections and all it does is train inmates to be better at what they do. All jail does is keep a percentage of criminals away from normal people. The Federal Corrections system is getting cut in Officers and programs. Everything grows except more jails and Prisons. Then the some monster gets released early because of no bed's space, and kills someone, and everyone blames Law Enforcement.
The Troopers and Cop's on this board can't keep putting people away if there is no where to put them.
I bet you would be very surprised if you knew who is actually in the Federal Pen's in Kentucky, very few Kentuckians. I think we should revoke about half of all inmates rights in prison. I've seen Camp Bucca, Iraq and that's how all prisons should be built. A few tents and a lot of razor-wire. One Cell in a max Pen cost 40,000. I could build two Bucca's for that.

[aceoky]

I don't think anyone here (or most places) would advocate legalizing meth(of all things)......but why did meth get "so big"??? Prohibition didn't work, let's face it.....this isn't either, something should be done, (what IS the question however).....spending money for no good result, won't "fix" it at all, hasn't yet, so how can it?

Even the head of the DEA , says some of the drug laws are "outdated" , and are costing more than they're "worth", in getting results(he specifically mentioned marijuana several times).....

However, that isn't the point, who(here) has even mentioned legalizing? We have to as a society, pay close attention to things , and if something isn't having the desired result, look for another way to "fix" it(them).....


I won't pretend to have the answer(or any of them)....:) however , it's obvious the laws we have now are not working.......THAT is a very serious problem IMHO

[Art]

you guys need to read "Bluegrass Conspiracy" if you havent already, but thats another story.

Excellent book and a true story. Why they have not made a movie yet is beyond me. No one ever believes me when I tell them some of the stuff that went on. I just tell them to read the book.. Imagine, a terrorist training camp above the KY river in Jessamine Co. It's just unreal.

[turk2di]

Excellent book and a true story. Why they have not made a movie yet is beyond me. No one ever believes me when I tell them some of the stuff that went on. I just tell them to read the book.. Imagine, a terrorist training camp above the KY river in Jessamine Co. It's just unreal.
Twas indeed a good book! I remember the Ryan guys cars explosion on the news here from Evansville Ind Tv station.

[nitrox28]

Anyone want to guess where they dumped Melanie Flynns body? I bet it's in or near the KY River somewhere. My friends mom used to run around with all of the people in that book. Pretty freaky.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1416dfky.html

[etownhunter]

Let's just say that there are some people you just can't help. It's not like life is an ABC after school special. The only way you can help people like that is to put them in jail. I won't take his calls since he came over to a good friends house and left his crack/meth pipe outside for all the neighbors and the landlord to see. These type of people will only take you down with them, you can't do anything for them. Take my word for it, I've been to that rodeo several times in the past 5 years.

One way?? Say a little prayer for them.....

[raktrakr]

Why they have not made a movie yet is beyond me.
Are you kidding, theres too much big money and big names in lexington to keep that from happening.Theres a lot of "tarnish" from this book and bringing out a movie would just rehash another black eye to the state and the lexington area, especially the police dept and the precious local horse industry. Anyone who has read that book sees the area in a different perspective, and I doubt that one mans death changed anything. The next time you take a drive down old frankfort pike and you see one of those high and mighty "Blueblood" shindigs and the Fayette Co. sheriffs dept is directing traffic for it, you'll think about that book:eek:
Sorry for the hijacking, if you wanna discuss this book lets start another thread

[Deer Hunter]

Well i will tell you what. Here in North West Arkansas in the town of Fort Smith there was a Judge Parker who with his method of enforcing the law made a big difference in the wild West. And his way was really simple. If you broke the law and it was a crime that was bad enough to be sentenced to death. Then you hung. Now his hanging gallow's and cort room plus the jail that by the way was in the basement bellow his cort room still stands as part of history. Sort of a reminder to remind us of how the west was tamed.

I dont see what the purpose or good any law is if you are not going to enforce them. And i dont see why we have these horse's ass'es who is suppose to be governing our country and are sucking up the tax dollar's that we pay in. To not do something as simple as carry out our law's that we are all suppose to live by if you are a United States citizen. Call it harsh or in humane or what ever you would like to call killing a peace of trash who has broke our law's. But it is the law and if we are not going to enforce them then why pay these horse's ass'es in congress thousand's up on thousand's of dollar's to sit back and do nothing.

I am required to live by our law's that they make up. And if i dont i should have to pay the consiquence's. All of them to the maximum. Not just the one's that our goverment want's to enforce. If they dont intend to enforce them. Why make them ?

I know that it is not a matter of money. Our Nation is the strongest and richest Nation on the face of this earth. I personally would not have the least little bit of problem helping this great country of riding itself of drug dealer's, murder's, rapist's, pedifile's and any other trash of the sort. At my own expense. I would proudly take a dozer at my own expense and push out pit's and let our government start backing there truck's up to them loaded with this kind of trash. And i would proudly furnish my own ammo shoot each and everyone of them between the eye's. And just like a city land fill cover the trash up and dig more pits. And i would sleep real good every night.

[slickhead slayer]

Anyone want to guess where they dumped Melanie Flynns body? I bet it's in or near the KY River somewhere. My friends mom used to run around with all of the people in that book. Pretty freaky.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1416dfky.html

Andrew Thornton had a farm that bordered Herrington Lake, I think there was some evidence to believe that she was dumped there. Too many holes, caverns etc down there for them to ever find anything.

It was the largest drug operation in the world at the time, all run out of Lexington, Ky, with the help of the Lex police dept.
The guy that got the luckiest to not go to jail was Gov John Y Brown.

[trust me]

I haven't read the book but remember the case. Somebody start a new thread here in Community and fill us in. I only remember that Thornton died in a parachute fall with a bunch of coke in tow.

Thanks in advance.

[Art]

I haven't read the book but remember the case. Somebody start a new thread here in Community and fill us in. I only remember that Thornton died in a parachute fall with a bunch of coke in tow.

Thanks in advance.

Good idea.;)

[Deer Hunter]

That is exactly why our goverment official's dont and wont enforce law's like the death penality. And why drug dealer's are just given a slap on the hand instead of having to serve out their sentence's in prison. Probably a big percentage of congressman and other politician's are involved and making money off of drug's just like the drug dealer's.

There was a retired state trooper who live's here that bought a peace of property a year or so after retirement. Guess what they found burried right where he was building his new barn. About $ 400,000 worth of drug money. Now isnt that a cowhenceidence ? And you know how they found it. A druggie told some officer's who had arrested him in retrun for a plea bargin. You know what happened to this newly retired state trooper. Nothing, Proscuteing Attorney thought it was just a cowhenceidence that this retired state trooper just happened to buy this 40 or so acre peace of property and just happened to build his new barn right over the spot where this $ 400,000 of drugh money happened to be burried.

I seen a documentary one time that was talking about the Moffia and how much influence they had. You know they had two or there different president's put into office.

There is a lawyer here in town who i have herd about from several people. And he tell's people who is big trouble. I mean people who has several DUI's or people who is in trouble for selling drugs. That if they pay him $5000 dollar's cash that they will never do any time and there will never be a record of what has happened. I know one man here who has probably 30 DUI's and he is still driving all over the place. And he has never been to prison.

[Buk Bust'r]

First off......to Carl, you are living proof that there is a God. With out you, those little one's wouldn't have a chance. Please know that our prayers are with you as well as anyone that has had the misfortune of having family or friends invloved with this junk.

Secondly, as a cop, I'd give my right arm to see every Meth slingin' outfit out there stuck under the jail 'til judgment day. I see this @#$! day in and day out and I am sick and tired that the court system is the way it is today. I have taken these people in to jail only to have them beat me home before the end of my shift.

A man from my home town recently died due to the meth lab he and his wife were working in their home......while the kids were allegedly at home! Sad part about it......didn't have to happen.

Guys......this junk is a never ending battle, I'm just one of the few out here trying to combat this mess. Try to support your local officers.....and thanks to those of you that do.

A while back I blew up on a thread here.....I apologize for that. I appreciate all of you here, I am sorry that the judicial system is the way it is. I don't make the laws or dole out the punishment (wish I did!!!!!!) I'm merely a "foot soldier" out here.

God Bless you Carl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[turk2di]

First off......to Carl, you are living proof that there is a God. With out you, those little one's wouldn't have a chance. Please know that our prayers are with you as well as anyone that has had the misfortune of having family or friends invloved with this junk.

Secondly, as a cop, I'd give my right arm to see every Meth slingin' outfit out there stuck under the jail 'til judgment day. I see this @#$! day in and day out and I am sick and tired that the court system is the way it is today. I have taken these people in to jail only to have them beat me home before the end of my shift.

A man from my home town recently died due to the meth lab he and his wife were working in their home......while the kids were allegedly at home! Sad part about it......didn't have to happen.

Guys......this junk is a never ending battle, I'm just one of the few out here trying to combat this mess. Try to support your local officers.....and thanks to those of you that do.

A while back I blew up on a thread here.....I apologize for that. I appreciate all of you here, I am sorry that the judicial system is the way it is. I don't make the laws or dole out the punishment (wish I did!!!!!!) I'm merely a "foot soldier" out here.

God Bless you Carl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And god bless u 2;)

[fullstrut1]

watermelon3308,

If it is so easy to see have you ever went to the police and reported it or offered to get involved. I would say the answer is no. The meth problem is everyone's problem and if you know something and are not doing anything about it YOU are also apart of the problem. It's easy to set back and say what other people are not doing about a problem but hard to look at yourself and say the same thing.

[rick243]

Tonight at 8:00, KET will show a special on Meth in Ky. Should be a good story if anyone is interested.

[theck]

Why are people doing this? The same reason people get addicted to other things that become gods in their life. Everyone has a missing void in their soul that can only be filled with the Holy Spirit when one excepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. Read the Holy Bible, people have been doing these same sorts of things since man was put on this earth. The old devil is out to get people any way he can. But, there is victory, cleansing, and salvation in the blood of the Lamb. May God BLess You All,
Thomas

[hillhntr]

As was stated earlier, KET had a real good program on this stuff. It gave good insight to what was happening nationwide and here in KY. Apparently, for a while, producers could get ephedrine or pseudoephedrine straight from the factory! The meth problem has been around a while and is getting worse. I'm glad someone started this thread because getting folks talking about this, even if it prompts argument, is a good thing.
Also, I'm going to have to check that book out everyone is talking about, it sounds pretty neat.

[watermelon3308]

watermelon3308,

If it is so easy to see have you ever went to the police and reported it or offered to get involved. I would say the answer is no. The meth problem is everyone's problem and if you know something and are not doing anything about it YOU are also apart of the problem. It's easy to set back and say what other people are not doing about a problem but hard to look at yourself and say the same thing.first of all i am not part of the drug problem.i have better things to do besides ride around and call the cops everytime i see these scumbags selling their garbage.i stated that anyone who drives through cov.or cinci.can see them doing it day or night.dont sit there and tell me im part of the problem.apparently you are.i dont appreciate being judged by someone like you that dont even know me.

[PhilpotHunter]

first of all i am not part of the drug problem.i have better things to do besides ride around and call the cops everytime i see these scumbags selling their garbage.i stated that anyone who drives through cov.or cinci.can see them doing it day or night.dont sit there and tell me im part of the problem.apparently you are.i dont appreciate being judged by someone like you that dont even know me.

I think his point is, if you see it going on in your everyday activity and just look the other way it makes you a part of the problem, and I have to agree with him

Not judging you at all

[watermelon3308]

I think his point is, if you see it going on in your everyday activity and just look the other way it makes you a part of the problem, and I have to agree with him

Not judging you at allfirst of all i didnt say i seen it everyday.and like i said anyone who drives through cov.or cinci.can see it going on.and again i am not part of the drug problem.and dont appreciate being told i am.i am a construction worker and its not my job to keep scumbag drug dealers off the street.i guess it makes you part of the problem to because you dont ride around looking for drug dealers and reporting them.if you got enough time to ride around and look for them then all i can say is you have plenty of time on your hands because i dont.and again i am not part of the problem.

[raktrakr]

reporting drug dealers will get your house burnt,and put you and your family at risk. thats why most keep a tight lip and go on about thier own business

[watermelon3308]

reporting drug dealers will get your house burnt,and put you and your family at risk. thats why most keep a tight lip and go on about thier own business10-4 but watch what you say because a couple guys on here will say your part of the problem because you dont want to take a chance on that happening.

[Carl]

The only problem I am having is with the little one. I just can't seem to get this idea of being a "Farmer" out of her head. lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/crmiller/tab052.jpg

First off......to Carl, you are living proof that there is a God. With out you, those little one's wouldn't have a chance. Please know that our prayers are with you as well as anyone that has had the misfortune of having family or friends invloved with this junk.

Secondly, as a cop, I'd give my right arm to see every Meth slingin' outfit out there stuck under the jail 'til judgment day. I see this @#$! day in and day out and I am sick and tired that the court system is the way it is today. I have taken these people in to jail only to have them beat me home before the end of my shift.

A man from my home town recently died due to the meth lab he and his wife were working in their home......while the kids were allegedly at home! Sad part about it......didn't have to happen.

Guys......this junk is a never ending battle, I'm just one of the few out here trying to combat this mess. Try to support your local officers.....and thanks to those of you that do.

A while back I blew up on a thread here.....I apologize for that. I appreciate all of you here, I am sorry that the judicial system is the way it is. I don't make the laws or dole out the punishment (wish I did!!!!!!) I'm merely a "foot soldier" out here.

God Bless you Carl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lymanl3]

House burnt...call in anonymous....all areas have a local drug task force..use a payphone if needed. I cant tell you how many labs or crops I have walked upon.....ATV's do wonders!!! Yes..btw...there are people on here that will be offended because its EVERYWHERE! The problem is that NIMBY..i.e, Mr. Carlin. It happens in every strata...all socioeconomic layers. Not one person is to blame, but for every action there is a reaction. If we look the other way it will be here another day.


Lyman

[Buk Bust'r]

House burnt...call in anonymous....all areas have a local drug task force..use a payphone if needed. I cant tell you how many labs or crops I have walked upon.....ATV's do wonders!!! Yes..btw...there are people on here that will be offended because its EVERYWHERE! The problem is that NIMBY..i.e, Mr. Carlin. It happens in every strata...all socioeconomic layers. Not one person is to blame, but for every action there is a reaction. If we look the other way it will be here another day.


Lyman

Thank You Lyman!!!!!

"There are more ways than one to skin a cat" to quote the ol' saying. I have gotten a lot of good intel from concerned citizens that don't want their name in it. A lot can be done by talking with an officer in confidence, after we're made aware of the goings on at a location we can sit by and gather appropriate intel via traffic, trash pickups (yeah it's legal!!!) etc. Then get a search warrant and go from there, the real "goat ropin'" starts when it gets in the court system.

Yes, this mess is everywhere and NO ONE is exempt from this @#$!!!!!!! Meth is seen more today because it is cooked everywhere from sheds to kitchens to the trunk of a car (AKA "Rollin' Labs). Meth is more prominent than cocaine especially in smaller, rural communities......you can make it anywhere!!!!! It's cheaper to manufacture, has as big a high as coke and is more addictive. That's why it is often refered to as the "poor man's cocaine".

Like Lyman said.....a lot can be accomplished with an anonymus call, it opens the door for the "good guys" and gets the ball rollin'. I talk to people everyday at work about this exact same thing.....they like everyone else don't want their house burnt down while they are in it!!!! It scares the mortal hell outta the folks that are "living right" and rightfully so!

Like I said before.....this stuff RUINS lives and tears families apart. Seen it with my own eyes and see it every time I walk into court to testify against one of the heatherns slingin' this mess!

God be with ANY and EVERY person this wretched mess has effected and I pray that God will let me live another day to put as many of the people involved with slingin' this junk in, if not UNDER the jail!!!!!!!

Again....thanks to all that support those that are involved in the war against this mess!!!!!

[PhilpotHunter]

Hey, if turning the other way makes you sleep better at night, good for you....

I'm not saying drive around looking for the stuff. What I'm saying is that IF you see it your day to day life, do something about it. Don't be a hero, don't brag abut what you do, but don't be indifferent.

Watermelon, I'm not calling you a drug dealer, or user. What I'm trying to say in a tactful manner is that if there are people out there that see it happening and don't do anything about it, that isn't helping. And in this case, if your not helping, your hurting.

[Kentuck]

Here is a link to an article in a paper here in CA.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/02/22/gree.DTL

Bad news if you have rental property.

[woodhippy]

As was stated earlier, KET had a real good program on this stuff. It gave good insight to what was happening nationwide and here in KY. Apparently, for a while, producers could get ephedrine or pseudoephedrine straight from the factory! The meth problem has been around a while and is getting worse. I'm glad someone started this thread because getting folks talking about this, even if it prompts argument, is a good thing.
Also, I'm going to have to check that book out everyone is talking about, it sounds pretty neat.

I watched the program before the meth in Ky, really good show...its a great book...

[watermelon3308]

Hey, if turning the other way makes you sleep better at night, good for you....

I'm not saying drive around looking for the stuff. What I'm saying is that IF you see it your day to day life, do something about it. Don't be a hero, don't brag abut what you do, but don't be indifferent.

Watermelon, I'm not calling you a drug dealer, or user. What I'm trying to say in a tactful manner is that if there are people out there that see it happening and don't do anything about it, that isn't helping. And in this case, if your not helping, your hurting.first of all i dont sleep better at night knowing people are selling drugs.and like i said i dont see it day to day.i got more important things to do besides driving around looking for drug dealers.i dont know why your throwing your accuations at me.like i said and ill say it again im not part of the problem and im not hurting the problem.and if your so worried about the problem drive through cov.and cinci.and report every drug dealer you see and youll be a busy man.and i hope you get everyone of them busted.and as far as im concerned this is the end of the argument from my side.

[Butch]

I haven't read all of this thread but saw this...

i think the cops just ignore the problem.

I hunt with a "cop" and know many---they don't ignore it.....Meth rules many people and to get them all would be a large job---but the problem is NOT with the police it is with the Judge's and the courts...I don't know how many times the cops around here have gotten someone with a large pot of Meth only to either have to get off with nothing or maybe at the most 5 years.
Now when that happens the police just aren't jumping up and down to go out and do tons of paperwork and leg work...just to get a guy a year or two.

I think the police get a bad name alot of the time because they do alot of behind the scenes work that we never know about...and since we never know about it we talk about them in the wrong way.

Again--I haven't read all of this thread...don't have time too :D but think this is a topic that needs to be talked about.

Butch