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wwarrior
08-15-2005, 11:07 PM
A Bowling Green family wants to know who shot and killed their dog with a bow and arrow this weekend, and they're asking for your help.

Adopted from the humane society when he was only 2 months old, 1-year old collie misx Jax had just celebrated his one-year anniversary with his owner when he was shot by an arrow early Saturday morning.

Responding to a neighbor's call police found Jax lying on the ground near this home in Shawnee Estates.

The father of his owner was called to the scene and that's when he found a scene he says he'll never forget.

"When I got over here there were 2 police officers and the officers told me he had been shot with an arrow. The end of the arrow had been broken and only the longer part of the shaft was still in Jax," said Rick Matar, father of Jax's owner.

Jax did not survive emergency surgery. Now animal control officers will open an investigation.

Jax's owner wants other pet owners to be aware because this happened less than a mile from the site of the city's new dog park.

"If this thing needs to be a safe area, then maybe they need to look into it a little bit. Make sure they know who's around there and what's going on around here," said Jax's owner, Nick Matar.

If you have any information, you are urged to call the Bowling Green police at 393-4000.

keith meador
08-16-2005, 10:16 AM
one thing is for sure, a hunter didnt do it, an idiot did......pointless act of stupidity....probably shot at it just to see if they could hit it...

quackrstackr
08-16-2005, 11:23 AM
Not condoning it, but it sounds to me like it was a dog at large at the very least. Less than a mile from the city park "near his home".


I'm in no way condoning it, but people also need to start taking a little bit closer look at city leash laws and quit letting their animals roam all over the country... my inlaws included.

Multidigits
08-16-2005, 11:37 AM
one thing is for sure, a hunter didnt do it, an idiot did......pointless act of stupidity....probably shot at it just to see if they could hit it...

Why would you say it wasn't a hunter? We see hunters on here all the time bragging about killing dogs and supporting dog shooters, so why wouldn't be???

Art
08-16-2005, 11:39 AM
A collie mix.... Probably mistaken as a coyote. i would say at 2 months old it would be about that size and probably looked very much like a coyote.

PhilpotHunter
08-16-2005, 11:44 AM
Get ready, i hear a "don't kill the dogs" argument coming

Multidigits
08-16-2005, 11:46 AM
A collie mix.... Probably mistaken as a coyote. i would say at 2 months old it would be about that size and probably looked very much like a coyote.

They owned the dog since it was 2 mos. old, it was a year old.

Art
08-16-2005, 11:46 AM
Get ready, i hear a "don't kill the dogs" argument coming

You know what that will lead to.:D

Multidigits
08-16-2005, 11:48 AM
Get ready, i hear a "don't kill the dogs" argument coming

Naw, we just need to organize the hunters out there and go out and start whacking dogs. After awhile, it'll quit being news worthy and you won't hear anything about it. You probably won't have any hunting left to do, but we'll have a lot less dogs for awhile. Kill them all and let god sort them out.

Art
08-16-2005, 11:49 AM
They owned the dog since it was 2 mos. old, it was a year old.

I gotcha.. Still doesn't change anything though.. I'd bet anything the shooter thought they were shooting a coyote. If we have people that can't tell the difference between a deer, elk, and a goat, this wouldn't surprise me.

jonescreek
08-16-2005, 12:06 PM
While that's true (the deer, elk and goat reference), I wish people didn't think they had to kill everything that moved. Might have been a hunter; either that, or they were a lucky shot. Maybe someone else likes that "sorry mutt" or "sorry cat." I wish folks could leave them alone unless there was no choice in the matter. It makes us look like a bunch of barbarians (and I know it wasn't necessarily a hunter) to those who hate hunters and need an excuse to call a legislator or write a negative letter to the editor. Let's don't make it easier for the people that would do us in if they could.

quackrstackr
08-16-2005, 12:30 PM
I still say this happened within the city limits by the way the story reads.


Inside the city limits, guy wants dog dead, gun not an option. I kind of doubt this was a case of mistaken identity.

PhilpotHunter
08-16-2005, 12:50 PM
Naw, we just need to organize the hunters out there and go out and start whacking dogs. After awhile, it'll quit being news worthy and you won't hear anything about it. You probably won't have any hunting left to do, but we'll have a lot less dogs for awhile. Kill them all and let god sort them out.

Hey, you don't have to tell me. I'm a beagler so i completly understand. It isn't any fun having to worry about your dogs getting shot because someone "percieved" that they were running a deer.
But on that same note, peple do need to be more responsable with there animals. But shooting one with a bow? Thats just bad anyway you look at it. Fact is there was probably a reason it got shot whether it was in someones trach, or the shooter was just a pycho that gets off on killing dogs. Anytime this type of thing happens it makes us look bad though.

Art
08-16-2005, 12:58 PM
When I was about 10, our family cat came walking in the door with a 4 blade broadhead and arrow sticking through it's back (in metro Lexington). It lived, but if it didn't I doubt it would have gotten news coverage, being a cat. We just have to get used to the fact that the world is full of idiots who have no respect for pets or presumed strays. There is SO much hypocrisy when it comes to this subject that it makes it nearly impossible to reach any sort of conclusion.

I still think it's a high probability that this was a case on mistaken identity, but I don't expect anyone to come forward to admit this being how it has made the news across the state and this may turn into a witch hunt real quick.. If it is a residential area, and they are "investigating", we should have a suspect pop up shortly and we'll get to hear his explanation. This could end up like the case in Woodford Co.

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johnboy
08-16-2005, 01:24 PM
if the dog was kept on it's own property as it should have been, then it would still be alive.. the owner has nobody to blame but himself.

trust me
08-16-2005, 01:55 PM
At the risk of stirring the pot further, let me throw this out:
A friend had 2 daughters, each got a kitten. Kittens hung out on the porch, where the neighbor's Golden Retreiver found them. He ate one kitten, or part of it, and ran the other up the rose trellis, when the mom came outside and ran the dog off. Friend complained to neighbor, who laughed it off, saying, "That's just the nature of a dog."

So, Friend locks the remaining kitten in the wooden outbuilding during the night to keep it safe. Next morning, Retriever is back, actually prying off a wall board with it's teeth, trying to get in to the kitten. Friend grabs his bow, puts a broadhead through the dog, which goes home with the arrow and dies.

Neighbor complains to Friend about dead dog, and Friend says, "That's just the nature of a pissed off father whose kids like their cats." Issue goes away. Neighborhood didn't care much for arrowing a dog, but they admitted a kid ought to have a cat on the porch without fear of it getting eaten.

Now, you may hate cats (I do) and you may love dogs (I do), but there is no getting around the fact that the lovable family dog was running around creating havoc, and nobody needs to put up with that. The owner obviously wasn't going to address the situation, so the cat owner did what he had to do.

I'd say this situation involving the collie is a similar case. Dog went somewhere he shouldn't have, and somebody, right or wrong, did what they had to do. I love my dogs, and I keep them home where they need to be. Otherwise, it could be an arrow, or antifreeze, or a 12 gauge that ends my dog's life. I have to acknowledge that reality, and I won't sacrifice my dog by ignoring it.

Art
08-16-2005, 02:06 PM
At the risk of stirring the pot further, let me throw this out:
A friend had 2 daughters, each got a kitten. Kittens hung out on the porch, where the neighbor's Golden Retreiver found them. He ate one kitten, or part of it, and ran the other up the rose trellis, when the mom came outside and ran the dog off. Friend complained to neighbor, who laughed it off, saying, "That's just the nature of a dog."

So, Friend locks the remaining kitten in the wooden outbuilding during the night to keep it safe. Next morning, Retriever is back, actually prying off a wall board with it's teeth, trying to get in to the kitten. Friend grabs his bow, puts a broadhead through the dog, which goes home with the arrow and dies.

Neighbor complains to Friend about dead dog, and Friend says, "That's just the nature of a pissed off father whose kids like their cats." Issue goes away. Neighborhood didn't care much for arrowing a dog, but they admitted a kid ought to have a cat on the porch without fear of it getting eaten.

Now, you may hate cats (I do) and you may love dogs (I do), but there is no getting around the fact that the lovable family dog was running around creating havoc, and nobody needs to put up with that. The owner obviously wasn't going to address the situation, so the cat owner did what he had to do.

I'd say this situation involving the collie is a similar case. Dog went somewhere he shouldn't have, and somebody, right or wrong, did what they had to do. I love my dogs, and I keep them home where they need to be. Otherwise, it could be an arrow, or antifreeze, or a 12 gauge that ends my dog's life. I have to acknowledge that reality, and I won't sacrifice my dog by ignoring it.

I agree. If someones pet comes onto my property and KILLS one of my pets. Their animal dies.... No questions asked. The law is on my side, assuming I didn't fire a weapon within city limits or something like that. If the owner thinks it's funny that their animal killed my pet on my own property, I would likely go to jail for assault.

PhilpotHunter
08-16-2005, 02:54 PM
We just have to get used to the fact that the world is full of idiots who have no respect for pets or presumed strays.

Exactly, some people are just dumb, ignorant, or just plain evil.

jonescreek
08-16-2005, 03:19 PM
I wouldn't shoot the guy's dog; I'd go kick his a** because he thought the whole thing was funny. It's the human response that would make me more angry than what the dog did to the cats. That's the nature of two different animals. I would shoot the dog if somehow that would prevent the imminent death of my animal, but once it's all over, I'd go see the guy that thought everything was so damn funny. Legally, you are probably safer shooting the dog on your own property, but what the hell?

Dennis
08-16-2005, 03:26 PM
all i know is i didn't do it lol........:eek:

300 Ultra Mag
08-16-2005, 05:08 PM
Have had dogs all my life which I have been responsible for. Showing other people consideration for their private property is something I have always made sure I done. My dogs do not go off the property either and others should be more considerate to do the same. If this dog that got shot was a pest and was away from home, I think it should have been dealt with. If not, being a dog lover, if it was doing no harm I believe it should have been left alone.

Mit Sirrom
08-16-2005, 05:32 PM
I believe that you keepeth your own crap in your own crap, and I'll keepeth my own crap in my own crap, and if either of our crap pipes break, then one of us may have to woller in the other ones crap. And I dont like crap!!!

COUNTRYBOY
08-16-2005, 05:48 PM
If it had been shot with a gun, there wouldn't have been near as much said about it, but beings some dumbhead shot it with a bow, it looks bad on all hunters, especially bowhunters. Just more fuel for animal activist.

wwarrior
08-16-2005, 06:05 PM
Watch the video... I don't see how someone could have thought it was a coyote....
It just gives bowhunters a bad name...

WBBP
08-16-2005, 06:08 PM
It does give bow hunters a bad name. Things like this happen when owners let their dogs roam. I hate it.

K

N2MyWake
08-16-2005, 06:18 PM
It does give bow hunters a bad name. Things like this happen when owners let their dogs roam. I hate it.

K

It makes it more difficult for those living in town to shoot. An understanding neighbor might not feel so confident in me shooting my bow in town in light of this story...

kycowboy
08-16-2005, 06:21 PM
I wouldn't shoot the guy's dog; I'd go kick his a** because he thought the whole thing was funny. It's the human response that would make me more angry than what the dog did to the cats. That's the nature of two different animals. I would shoot the dog if somehow that would prevent the imminent death of my animal, but once it's all over, I'd go see the guy that thought everything was so damn funny. Legally, you are probably safer shooting the dog on your own property, but what the hell?
you talking about Trust me's story if so it says he shot the dog trying to chew through his wall

Ol T Rex
08-16-2005, 09:50 PM
Shoulda shot it with a crossbow. Then he might have gotten a pass through.

keith meador
08-16-2005, 10:21 PM
multi, my feeling on this is someone with true hunting morals would have done things a little different. contacting the owner if they knew them, calling animal control, or even the local police or sherrif. shooting a dog with a bow is just not smart at all. morally and ethically wrong. possibly different if the dog were out running cattle, or horses, but this sounds like it happened in a residential area.

i know people get on here and brag about shooting a variety of things, dogs, cats, skunks, you name it, if not on this forum other forums. dont take pictures, dont tell anyone, and if someone does ask you about it, deny deny deny.......but dont get on a publuc forum on the internet and brag about breaking the law...

shooting dogs gives hunters a bad name, any method you use to do it. it hurts access to public land, and in some cases where there are large populations of urban deer shooting dogs may ruin a chance at persuading the local government to allow you to deer hunt. why would they want a loose canon out there...that may not be the way it is, but that is the perception by them....its what they see, not what the know...

weekend bowhunters who practice in the yard could be affected by this. what if local government bans the shooting of bows in the city you live, as a result of a stupid act? it almost happened right here in frankfort....the city was going to ban the shooting of bows in the city limits....period...we lobied and met with the city commisioners and got that taken care of. not a fight you need to have for sure....

again, it could not have been an moral or ethical hunter, obviously an idiot with a total disreguard for others....you think your actions dont have an impact? might seem funny at the time, or it may be something you acted on out of anger, but wrong none the less...

greytail
08-16-2005, 10:40 PM
I think I have read this correct. If you have a dog that strays off your property and is on my property and or is pestering me the dog needs to be shot. So if this is true I guess if your horse, cow, goat, chicken, or turkey strays on my property and is eating my red clover it needs to be dealt with. And if that big buck you are feeding on your property strays on my property and is eating all of the corn and sunflower seeds out of my feeder that I have out for the squirrel and coon needs to be dealt with or shot. I have said before this shooting animals goes both ways. I bet PETA loves this and says we are going to win this war without firing a shot. I could be wrong here but I’m thinking if I have an animal and it strays on your property and does damage and you catch it I’m liable for your damages. That is why I have my name, address and phone number on my dogs. I don’t want them shot. If they do damage I will be responsible. But my GOD just to shot a dog for being on private property what have we become?

Art
08-16-2005, 10:44 PM
Watch the video... I don't see how someone could have thought it was a coyote....
It just gives bowhunters a bad name...

I have not seen a video link.. Does anyone have it?

ClayDog
08-16-2005, 10:55 PM
I gotcha.. Still doesn't change anything though.. I'd bet anything the shooter thought they were shooting a coyote. If we have people that can't tell the difference between a deer, elk, and a goat, this wouldn't surprise me.
VERY true An idiot looks at a cat and says of there is a muscrat and dog a coyote or a wolf

fordguy
08-17-2005, 10:27 AM
I treat strays like I treat humans. The only way you get hurt is if you threatin me or my family. Unfortunately this dog probably got in someones garbage, chewed up a water hose, or chased a cat. Instead of trying to locate the dogs owner (which would be the sane thing to do) someone just shot it. Or a couple of "good ole boys" had to much hooch and thought it was a coyote.

johnboy
08-17-2005, 11:02 AM
you can keep a cow pinned until the owner can get there..
you cant keep a dog pinned.. he will run.. or he will bite you.. what if he has rabbies?
i'm pretty sure the cow isnt going to bite you..

people NEED to take responsibility and not put it on other people..
my step fathers, dog got out and someone hit it in the head with a bat..
so he made damn sure the dog couldnt get out again..
he took responsibility as a pet owner.. and when you agree to own a pet, you agree to be responsible for it.. not only for it's well being, but for it's actions..

if your 8 year old kid hits someone, they are gonna call YOU.. because you are responsible not only for his well being, but for his actions.

if the dog gets out it's YOUR fault.. if the dog bites someone or kills someones cat it's YOUR fault (you being pet owners)

and if your dog gets shot with an arrow it's YOUR fault..

now with that said, i didnt do it :)
but if the dog was were he shouldnt be then it's not the dogs fault.. it's the owners.

oldforestor
08-17-2005, 01:18 PM
I cant resist this thread, especially with all the blanket statements...here's how dogs get shot...and how this one probably got shot
I have neighbor who adopted an illhumored yellow lab from another neighbor who screwed it up...that dog, on 3 occasions attacked my dog who was at the time 13 years old, once in my yard and twice on the street, all three times my dog was controlled and his was loose. That dog attacked other leashed dogs and gained a well known reputation. The owner was aware.
After the third time I asked the neighbor if he wanted the body back after I killed it or if he wanted me to dispose of it myself.
The neighbor immediately erected an fence. If the dog escapes and causes me anymore trouble or vet bills it's as good as dead.
Oh Yeah, and because my city does not allow guns to be fired, I will use a 125 grain broadhead.

Multidigits
08-17-2005, 01:57 PM
I guess that pretty much shoots Keith's statement in the foot???

naturalelite
08-17-2005, 09:41 PM
Anyone ever think maybe someone was shooting at a target and the dog was laying behind it and it went thru the target?????I don't really think that happened but its a thought. And I am sorry about your 13 year old dog that gets its butt kicked every time you get it out of the house.Get an akita!!!But you shouldn't have let it happen 3 times.Second time the guys dog would have meet his maker. I love dogs. And this could have been the best dog in the world or it could have been a garbage eating mut. BUT IF THE DOG WAS ON HIS PROPERITY WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION!!!!!!!!!!

Kyshorthair
08-18-2005, 08:57 AM
I'm glad my neighbors my dogs. If one ever got out I don't think I'd have to worry about it getting shot. I try to find the owner if a stray dog has tags and info.

I've had dogs wander through the area I hunt in and have never considered shooting them.

KY_Fried
08-18-2005, 09:16 AM
I glad I live around nice civilized people who don't have problems like this. Where I live, if a dog is on our property and not causing any problems we leave it alone. If one does start causing trouble all that is needed is to tell the owner and they ALWAYS make sure it doesn't happen again, no hard feeling what so ever. Only if it's an obvious stray that's causing serious problems would I ever consider killing a dog.

oldforestor
08-18-2005, 09:16 AM
I'm glad my neighbors my dogs. If one ever got out I don't think I'd have to worry about it getting shot. I try to find the owner if a stray dog has tags and info.

I've had dogs wander through the area I hunt in and have never considered shooting them.

Nor have I...You dont have to worry about me if he gets out, even if he ruins my hunt and follow me into the woods...or craps in my yard....every day for a year...but if he's agressive, antisocial, and dangerous...and I tell you about it, and you dont do anything about it... then he is in danger

Kyshorthair
08-18-2005, 10:28 AM
Nor have I...You dont have to worry about me if he gets out, even if he ruins my hunt and follow me into the woods...or craps in my yard....every day for a year...but if he's agressive, antisocial, and dangerous...and I tell you about it, and you dont do anything about it... then he is in danger


Very good policy.

Art
08-18-2005, 10:59 AM
Very good policy.

Thats me. In the last couple of years I have taken in 3 German Shepards, a lab, a Yorkie, a bassett hound, and 2 Pit Bulls just so they wern't running through the neighborhood. I know that where I live they belong to someone. However, it would be a totally different story if another animal or person was in danger.. Thank God it hasn't come to that yet. I guess everyone agrees that there is a right and wrong time to kill animals, but to me there just isn't enough info in this case to pass judgement either way.

skin_dog1
08-18-2005, 11:09 AM
Incase anyone wasn't aware, we recently had a pit bull(I believe) attack a kid and do some pretty bad damage. Anyway, PETA is pressuring the city government(Bowling Green) to pass a no chain ordinance. I didn't follow the story closely, so I'm not sure if the dog was on a chain or had beenand had gotten loose, but PETA's stance is chains make dogs aggressive. These 2 stories are exact opposites, but related none the same. PEOPLE NEED TO CONTROL THEIR ANIMALS!

Al
08-18-2005, 11:27 AM
I have had good luck with a pellet gun. We have several loose dogs in the area but they have learned to circle around our yard to avoid a sting in the butt.

Art
08-18-2005, 11:54 AM
Incase anyone wasn't aware, we recently had a pit bull(I believe) attack a kid and do some pretty bad damage. Anyway, PETA is pressuring the city government(Bowling Green) to pass a no chain ordinance. I didn't follow the story closely, so I'm not sure if the dog was on a chain or had beenand had gotten loose, but PETA's stance is chains make dogs aggressive. These 2 stories are exact opposites, but related none the same. PEOPLE NEED TO CONTROL THEIR ANIMALS!

Thats crap! PETA has lost it. I would like to see a law creating a minimum chain length. I hate to see people who have there dogs on a 2 foot chain where the dog has to choke itself just to stand up. Its a bad problem here down in tha hood. People get dogs just to bark at strangers and tie them up on a 2 foot chain where they spend their entire lives..