This kind of crap makes my blood boil!!!

[nitrox28]

:mad: Freakin bums. Don't like where you're living? GET A DAMN JOB!!!!!! I bust my ass 60+ hours a week to make my mortgage, car, insurance, and credit card payments PLUS daycare for my son and groceries, etc. etc. etc. My wife works full time. You and I do everything in our power to provide for our families even though most of us don't live in mansions or drive a Ferrari and these BUMS have the audacity to cry because they don't like their FREE housing?!?? Oh man don't get me started! :mad:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050810/NEWS0102/508100438

[PhilpotHunter]

these BUMS have the audacity to cry because they don't like their FREE housing?!?? Oh man don't get me started! :mad:

Hey, I work and pay my own way too, but the fact is, No one should have to live in those conditions period.

[nitrox28]

You're right. They should get off of their lazy fat asses and get a job.

[cobbhunts]

You're right. They should get off of their lazy fat asses and get a job.


AMEN to that brother!

[KY_Fried]

There are some people who are disabled and can't work or have some other legit reason for living in free government housing and it's a shame that they would have to live in such a place. As for the slackers who just don't want to work, they need to just shut up and be thankful they're not living in a dumpster.
It's actually the slacker's fault that the truely deserving people are stuck living in dumps like this. If the government would stop giving them a free ride then there might actually be enough money left to give the people who are disabled and stuff a decent place to live.

[skin_dog1]

I want to post something real bad, but I'm trying to exercise self control!

[PhilpotHunter]

There are some people who are disabled and can't work or have some other legit reason for living in free government housing and it's a shame that they would have to live in such a place. As for the slackers who just don't want to work, they need to just shut up and be thankful they're not living in a dumpster.
It's actually the slacker's fault that the truely deserving people are stuck living in dumps like this. If the government would stop giving them a free ride then there might actually be enough money left to give the people who are disabled and stuff a decent place to live.

Couldn't have said it better

[cobbhunts]

There are some people who are disabled and can't work or have some other legit reason for living in free government housing and it's a shame that they would have to live in such a place. As for the slackers who just don't want to work, they need to just shut up and be thankful they're not living in a dumpster.
It's actually the slacker's fault that the truely deserving people are stuck living in dumps like this. If the government would stop giving them a free ride then there might actually be enough money left to give the people who are disabled and stuff a decent place to live.


Absolutely correct. There are always gonna be people who bring the deserving down. You may also notice that the slackers are usually the first ones to make a complaint while the truly deserving are usaully happy with what they can get. I do believe this is America and not a 3rd world country so our standards for living should be better than the buildings mentioned on the article. However they did pass FEDERAL STANDARDS so they are probably not as bad as they are made out to be (RRRIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTT)!!!!! Also has anyone on here ever stayed in the training barracks at Fort Stewart Georgia? I believe they passed federal standards too so ponder that!

[Art]

It doesn't bother me, I don't see the problem.. I don't think they're asking for a 3500 sq ft penthouse.. I used to have to go to alot of places like that for a previous job, and sure there are some bums. However, for the most part they were good people that had just been dealt some real bad hands in life. Problems that would make us folks who whine about having to work long hours and pay credit card bills look like pricks. Lots of elderly folks who just couldn't afford to live anywhere else because their wife or husband had cancer or something, and their SS and retirement will not cover the cost of prescription drugs...They've got like $300 dollars a month to live on, and they choose to try and keep their spouse alive rather than get what we would consider a normal apartment.

To me, it's just wrong to lable people in a public housing community as "bums" just because they want better living conditions. Some of you guys need to remember that you could be dealt a blow that would put your arse right in there with them in the blink of an eye. We all can, God forbid.

[cobbhunts]

Art you are correct. There are some people out there that just have the worst luck and once you get down it's hard, nearly impossible to get back up. Think about it like this; a guy/gal gets in a spot say, looses their job. The bills pile up and before they can find another job they loose their car. So now they are behind on the bills and still trying to get another job and they do not have a vehicle. A month later still no job and they get booted out of their apartment/rental house/whatever. It's not their fault it's just a downward spiral some folks get dealt and These people deserve assistance and deserve better. On the other hand there are folks out there that wouldn't lift a hand to feed therselves, they leave it up to us (the tax payers) to provide for them, actually taking away from the deserving. Imagine the money the US would have for programs to help get people back on their feet, learning trades, and/or going to school if we didn't have to keep up the lazy non-working people in this country. I was brought up to; earn thy bread by the sweat of thy brow. I have a 4 year degree from EKU and could not find a job in the area after I graduated in May. So I went and got a job selling vehicles ( NO I AM NOT GONNA SAY WHAT BRAND ) and if that doesn't work out then I am gonna go build houses and if that doesn't work out I am gonna go pour concrete and....................... You catch my drift. People can get out they just need help sometimes and the people that are able to work should get off it and start helping out around the house if you know what I mean.

Good topic!

[cornbread]

I don't have a problem helping someone that is doing the best that they can. That being said, too many people just want to sit on their a** and get a check.

[Art]

I don't have a problem helping someone that is doing the best that they can. That being said, too many people just want to sit on their a** and get a check.

Yeah, thats true but we also have people who want to run up a bunch of bills and the file bankruptcy and insurance scammers, ect.. I'd like to think that society doesn't look down on people in housing projects anymore than it does those who have filed for bankruptcy, but thats not the case.

[RUTNUT]

I Feel Bad For The Elderly That May Have Worked All Their Lives But Still Don't Have Anything. They Are Stuck With What They Have Got Knowing It Will Never Get Any Better. But My Heart Really Goes Out To The Children Because They Have No Choice But To Live With What They Have. What Really Hurts Is The Fact That The Children Of The Free Loaders Will Never Be Taught The Meaning Of Pride Or Be Given The Encouragement To Do Any Better, Therefore They Become The Next Welfare Generation. Not All Will Do That, Some Will Look And Say I Won't Live That Way And Do Something About It. I Just Hope A lot More React That Way.

[WBBP]

The real issue causing the problem is that "alot" of the people that have inhabitated this housing project are the scourge of the earth. They complain about how horrible the government housing is, but yet live like a bunch of hogs and literally tear these places down. These housing projects ought to last 100 yrs, but the residents are so used to living off the free benefits of the "great society" started by President Johnson, that they have no incentive to live clean, get a job, and maintain their houses like normal human beings. As Cobb said, go look at the old wooden Army barracks on Ft. Stewart and Ft. Knox, they aren't great, but they are 60 years old or older and they are in excellent shape considering their age. You have to make a decision in life, do you want live like a a hog or a human. Some choose to live like hogs and I have no sympathy for them and don't want my tax dollars supporting them.

They also complain about the drugs in their neighborhoods. Damn, their own residents, sons, and daughters are the the users and pushers. If the residents would get off their asses, they could take control of their neighborhoods. There is not one legitimate reason that this neighborhood shouild be full of drugs, theft, prostitution, and decaying housing. The "great society" has taken all the incentive away for "a portion" of the poor to have any reason to want to do better. The liberals of this country don't realize that too many handouts cause laziness and take away ambition. I agree that some is needed when the right incentive is attached. Why do you think this neighborhood voted 99% democratic in the last election, they want moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeee handouts. The liberal view is to feel sorry for the residents and tear down their houses and build them nice ones "again". Hmmmmmm, I wonder if history will repeat itself.

I think the rate of out of wedlock births and missing fathers for these types of government housing is approximately 75%. The acceptance of multiple births by unwed teen age mothers and the failure of our culture to hold the fathers accountable is responsible for alot of this.

I know what it was like to be brought up poor, be on the free lunch program, being broke for years while trying to scratch out a living on the farm and suffer through my father being married 7 times and my mom 4 times. There are probably many on this site that were worse off than me, but figured out a way to live a respectable life and not depend on the government for their subsistence.

Everyone has a decision to make about their future and there are plenty of ways to live a decent life in the US.

[Art]

The real issue causing the problem is that "alot" of the people that have inhabitated this housing project are the scourge of the earth. They complain about how horrible the government housing is, but yet live like a bunch of hogs and literally tear these places down. These housing projects ought to last 100 yrs, but the residents are so used to living off the free benefits of the "great society" started by President Johnson, that they have no incentive to live clean, get a job, and maintain their houses like normal human beings. As Cobb said, go look at the old wooden Army barracks on Ft. Stewart and Ft. Knox, they aren't great, but they are 60 years old or older and they are in excellent shape considering their age. You have to make a decision in life, do you want live like a a hog or a human. Some choose to live like hogs and I have no sympathy for them and don't want my tax dollars supporting them.

They also complain about the drugs in their neighborhoods. Damn, their own residents, sons, and daughters are the the users and pushers. If the residents would get off their asses, they could take control of their neighborhoods. There is not one legitimate reason that this neighborhood shouild be full of drugs, theft, prostitution, and decaying housing. The "great society" has taken all the incentive away for "a portion" of the poor to have any reason to want to do better. The liberals of this country don't realize that too many handouts cause laziness and take away ambition. I agree that some is needed when the right incentive is attached. Why do you think this neighborhood voted 99% democratic in the last election, they want moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeee handouts. The liberal view is to feel sorry for the residents and tear down their houses and build them nice ones "again". Hmmmmmm, I wonder if history will repeat itself.

I think the rate of out of wedlock births and missing fathers for these types of government housing is approximately 75%. The acceptance of multiple births by unwed teen age mothers and the failure of our culture to hold the fathers accountable is responsible for alot of this.

I know what it was like to be brought up poor, be on the free lunch program, being broke for years while trying to scratch out a living on the farm and suffer through my father being married 7 times and my mom 4 times. There are probebaly many on this site that were worse off than me, but figured out a way to live a respectable life and not depend on the government for their subsistence.

Everyone has a decision to make about their future and there are plenty of ways to live a decent life in the US.

I don't know, I agree with what your saying but there are a great deal of people out there that don't have a choice. The way our society is set up, it can be impossible to get on your feet in some cases even if you have the best intentions. I have NO sympathy for those who are able to improve their life, but choose not to just because they are lazy.. I don't however think that everyone who is in this situation should be thrown into the same stereotypical group.

I will say that I kinda disagree with the assessment that these types of places should hold up for centuries under normal living conditions.. Comparing a military facility is not a good example IMO, I'd say the govt. maintains those facilities much better than they do low income housing for the obvious reasons..
I have some rental property that was built in the late 60's and early 70's and it had to be redone several years ago.. When you have a family living in a tiny space, things just wear out.. I have had good, clean renters but things just wear out over time.. They were fixed because I place a value on my renters, probably more so than our society does for people living in the projects. I wouldn't expect a 600 sq ft apartment to hold up for too many years with a mother and 3 kids living there.. There is a difference in living messy and clean obviously, but that should not have much to do with old pipes and mold. Landlords have an obligation to fix these things and so should the government. I would say that if the govt. doesn't address mold problems, we'll see some lawsuits and that will cost us mUCH more than it would to fix the problem. I'm Republican BTW!:D

[WBBP]

Art: you make a few points I can agree with. I didn't mean to sound overly harsh about the subject, but I still believe what I said.

In my post I used the words like "alot of people" which didn't characterize everybody in the same boat. I know that older and disabled people deserve better.

Military barracks compared to public housing. I don't think the real difference is in maintenance, but is the type of person who is living there and the personal pride of the occupants. There is really no incentive in public housing for the residents to care one thing about the place the live in. Dirty living conditions invite mice/rats and roaches. Unreported water leaks cause rotten and decaying wood and the miold you discussed. I would love to interview the maintenance personnel for public housing projects and hear all the stories of filth.

I bet that you could build 2 identical houses across the street from each other, and assign the same amount of dollars for yearly maintenance and let one be used for public housing while the other was occupied by an "owner" and in 5 years tell the difference, plus the privately owned house would last twice as long. Rental houses fall under the same theory; the renters usually don't care too much about the house or reporting minor mainteneance issues, therefore they have to be remodelled and repaired more frequently.

I still say that if you live like an animal in a house meant for humans, no amount of maintenance can overcome the destruction caused by this type of living.

On a final note; the woman living in a 600 sq. ft. apartment with three kids probably w/o a husband and no one to work, since taking care of the kids is a full time job is a perfect example of the problem. Where is the father? He went around fathering kids all the time with women that couldn't support themselves or their kids, now he has left the scene and probably pays no child support since he is too lazy to work, but he sells drugs to pay for his own drugs........Somebody has got to take responsibility.

Also, any person, and I mean any person, can overcome these issues if they really want to. (You have to want to first) KG, ES, and HS are all free and functioning fairly well. Attend any public University in Kentucky with a HS degree and being flat frigging broke.......This can be done by anyone regardless of your social/economic background by taking advantage of Pell grants/other grants, loans, a little hard work, and maybe the military-I know this since that is how I did it along with many others on this site.

[deerhunter401]

im glad my son has work ethic. he is getting ready to turn 15 and the first thing he has done is gone around to all the local bussines (most will hire at 15) and picked up applications he has about 5 or 6 and they are all filled out and ready to turn in.he has gone out and done all of this on his own and im proud of him for that. i just dont get what is so hard about going out and doing something for your self.

[raktrakr]

I want to post something real bad, but I'm trying to exercise self control!
I know what you mean, I'd probably be banned from the site if I commented my opinion. But I will say this, as long as the Gov't gives, they're going to take, so I blame them too

[Art]

I agree with you all and I don't want it to sound like I'm arguing with anyone, but in fairness you can't just lump a group of people together as a whole on this issue and that appears to be what a couple of you might be hinting at.. Regardless of skin color, race, education, and other outside influences, anyone can end up in this situation depending on how the chips fall in life. I don't think it does any good to look at the problem as a preventible disease that people knowingly infect themselves with. Some do, but others have no choice. They may have been born into it and don't know any other way.. If it were as simple as getting off your ass and getting a job, the govt would have figured that out a long time ago.

I have know many, many good people that just couldn't win for losing (including a good friend who was a Nam vet who commited suicide)... It had nothing to do with how they lived, what race they were, where their father was, drugs, or anything else other than bad luck.. I just hate to see people on welfare or assited living all get lumped into the crackhead, inner city, drug dealing, lazy, do nothing for themselves crowd, thats all.

[jatts]

I would have to agree with WBBP. If the people took some pride in where they lived instead of sitting around being jealous of what others have around them. The housing would last longer and those be a better place to live. As far as military vs public housing well they both use the lowest bidder. Shoot there are some officer barracks at ft knox that my grandpa took care of 40 years ago as a civil service job after he retired from the air force. Which are still standing and look great to this day. It all more or less comes down to pride and ethics/up bringing. The hardest thing for me to do is watch people just do enough to get by but then talk about how much others have. In this country if you want more you work harder to get it. It doesn't matter if that is through a physical labor job or through education. I know older people that are millionares but worked on an asembly line their whole lives while doing a little farming or something else on the side. I also know people with all kinds of education that are millionares. Both living it up and enjoying life because they got out there and worked hard. There are plenty of jobs for those that can work. All it takes is showing a little pride in themselves so an employer knows they will show some pride in their work. I also agree that they have no reason to work if all they have to do is complain a little and the gov will give them more. Heck i guess i am a bum because i never turn down a free meal.

[kycowboy]

all I have to say is that when you get these lazy no good for nothing people who have never work a day in there live go get on a check when nothing is wrong with them but they are lazy. then you have girls that are to dumb to take birth control and just keep having kids I don't feel sorry for these people. I know there are people who really need help and they should get it but the others should get a FRIGGIN JOB OR CLOSE THERE LEGS

[Art]

I would have to agree with WBBP. If the people took some pride in where they lived instead of sitting around being jealous of what others have around them. The housing would last longer and those be a better place to live. As far as military vs public housing well they both use the lowest bidder. Shoot there are some officer barracks at ft knox that my grandpa took care of 40 years ago as a civil service job after he retired from the air force. Which are still standing and look great to this day. It all more or less comes down to pride and ethics/up bringing. The hardest thing for me to do is watch people just do enough to get by but then talk about how much others have. In this country if you want more you work harder to get it. It doesn't matter if that is through a physical labor job or through education. I know older people that are millionares but worked on an asembly line their whole lives while doing a little farming or something else on the side. I also know people with all kinds of education that are millionares. Both living it up and enjoying life because they got out there and worked hard. There are plenty of jobs for those that can work. All it takes is showing a little pride in themselves so an employer knows they will show some pride in their work. I also agree that they have no reason to work if all they have to do is complain a little and the gov will give them more. Heck i guess i am a bum because i never turn down a free meal.

Just playing the devils advocate here solely for discussion purposes... What would you suggest to a woman whos husband was killed and left her with medical bills, 3 children and no job?? (As is the case for some military families these days). What if she's not qualified to get a job that pays better than minimum wage? She can't go to school because she can't afford the $300+ a week for child care.. She could work 60 hrs a week at a job that pays 6.50 an hour and would NEVER have enough money to rise like a Phoenix from those ashes..

[cobbhunts]

Comparing a military facility is not a good example IMO, I'd say the govt. maintains those facilities much better than they do low income housing for the obvious reasons..
ID

I would beg to differ on that one! Trust me.

[JP]

if it makes you feel any better......all that hard work me and you do will PAY for their new houses. :)

[nitrox28]

If you can 't feed em, don't breed em.

[turk2di]

The real issue causing the problem is that "alot" of the people that have inhabitated this housing project are the scourge of the earth. They complain about how horrible the government housing is, but yet live like a bunch of hogs and literally tear these places down. These housing projects ought to last 100 yrs, but the residents are so used to living off the free benefits of the "great society" started by President Johnson, that they have no incentive to live clean, get a job, and maintain their houses like normal human beings. As Cobb said, go look at the old wooden Army barracks on Ft. Stewart and Ft. Knox, they aren't great, but they are 60 years old or older and they are in excellent shape considering their age. You have to make a decision in life, do you want live like a a hog or a human. Some choose to live like hogs and I have no sympathy for them and don't want my tax dollars supporting them.

They also complain about the drugs in their neighborhoods. Damn, their own residents, sons, and daughters are the the users and pushers. If the residents would get off their asses, they could take control of their neighborhoods. There is not one legitimate reason that this neighborhood shouild be full of drugs, theft, prostitution, and decaying housing. The "great society" has taken all the incentive away for "a portion" of the poor to have any reason to want to do better. The liberals of this country don't realize that too many handouts cause laziness and take away ambition. I agree that some is needed when the right incentive is attached. Why do you think this neighborhood voted 99% democratic in the last election, they want moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeee handouts. The liberal view is to feel sorry for the residents and tear down their houses and build them nice ones "again". Hmmmmmm, I wonder if history will repeat itself.

I think the rate of out of wedlock births and missing fathers for these types of government housing is approximately 75%. The acceptance of multiple births by unwed teen age mothers and the failure of our culture to hold the fathers accountable is responsible for alot of this.

I know what it was like to be brought up poor, be on the free lunch program, being broke for years while trying to scratch out a living on the farm and suffer through my father being married 7 times and my mom 4 times. There are probably many on this site that were worse off than me, but figured out a way to live a respectable life and not depend on the government for their subsistence.

Everyone has a decision to make about their future and there are plenty of ways to live a decent life in the US.
For the most part.......Bingo! But as with anything in our society, the truly needy are being labeled worthless due to the mis-use of the many loosers that inhibit projects.

[BearsBud]

Just playing the devils advocate here solely for discussion purposes... What would you suggest to a woman whos husband was killed and left her with medical bills, 3 children and no job?? (As is the case for some military families these days). What if she's not qualified to get a job that pays better than minimum wage? She can't go to school because she can't afford the $300+ a week for child care.. She could work 60 hrs a week at a job that pays 6.50 an hour and would NEVER have enough money to rise like a Phoenix from those ashes..

How about this, use the available systems to pay for your schooling and day care, (they are both available) and then get off the welfare rolls and make your own way. I for one never mind giving a hand-up, but I get fed up with the hand-outs.

As for the start of this thread, most of the delapidation of the housing projects is caused by the residents. Most could care less about taking care of their homes because they did not pay for them. Most of us cannot comprehend this mind set because we have worked for everything we have and know what it caosts to replace or repair. These people have never put out a dime and never will. Look at the fine homes that the city of Louisville built off of the Shawnee Expressway to replace the projects that stood there. Those nice homes were built to replace what was destroyed by the tenants. That only teaches them that it is OK to tear up what we give you, cause we will replace it with something better for you to tear up. Lets review these homes in 15-20 years and see how they look then.

[jatts]

Just playing the devils advocate here solely for discussion purposes... What would you suggest to a woman whos husband was killed and left her with medical bills, 3 children and no job?? (As is the case for some military families these days). What if she's not qualified to get a job that pays better than minimum wage? She can't go to school because she can't afford the $300+ a week for child care.. She could work 60 hrs a week at a job that pays 6.50 an hour and would NEVER have enough money to rise like a Phoenix from those ashes..

Well if it was a military familiy then she should have at least gotten the 250,000$ for the SGLI life insurance that every member of the arm forces as the right take out before they are deployed. This goes for Active and reserves. Then if i remember hearing correctly congress has set aside more money for those families that do lose a dad or mom. As for child I believe there are government programs to pay for that as well. Now those might not be the best places in the world to leave your kid but sometimes you just have to grin and bare it till you can afford to do something else. The person could probably get government grants to go to school on as well as food stamps. I have no problem with people using the system to better there lives but to just use the system cause you are to lazy to do anything is wrong. A person in this situation may never rise lika a Phoenix from the ashes but with trust in GOD, some self pride, determination, a little help from others such as church people, and a lot of hard work the family would survive. I truely believe this would eventually lead to getting off all government help.

[cobbhunts]

[QUOTE=jatts]Well if it was a military familiy then she should have at least gotten the 250,000$ for the SGLI life insurance that every member of the arm forces as the right take out before they are deployed.[QUOTE]

It is optional to take this out. Not required.

[jatts]

[QUOTE=jatts]Well if it was a military familiy then she should have at least gotten the 250,000$ for the SGLI life insurance that every member of the arm forces as the right take out before they are deployed.[QUOTE]

It is optional to take this out. Not required.

Optional yes but was always strongly encouraged. Besides even a private with a family would take the hit of 18$ a month (not sure what it is now) if he/she was getting deployed just to make sure his family got something. I know in my reserve unit it was part of your deployment steps to encourage them to sign up if they were not.

[Art]

[QUOTE=cobbhunts][QUOTE=jatts]Well if it was a military familiy then she should have at least gotten the 250,000$ for the SGLI life insurance that every member of the arm forces as the right take out before they are deployed.

Optional yes but was always strongly encouraged. Besides even a private with a family would take the hit of 18$ a month (not sure what it is now) if he/she was getting deployed just to make sure his family got something. I know in my reserve unit it was part of your deployment steps to encourage them to sign up if they were not.

I thought they were trying to pass a bill which would give any family who suffered a loss something like 50K??? Is this just for those who opted out of buying life insurance?? I know on the news they show these families of dead and wounded soldiers who claim to have received nothing from the govt and are neck deep in medical bills with no way out. IMO, the military should pick up the bills for treatment and life insurance BARE MINIMUM just out of basic respect for the soldiers and their families.

[harpp]

Section 1012 of the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005 (Public Law 109-13, May 11, 2005) increases the Servicemembers' Group Life Insurance (SGLI) maximum coverage to $400,000 effective September 1, 2005, and allows reduced elections in increments of $50,000. This change is effective September 1, 2005 as determined on a worldwide basis by time at the International Dateline.

On the effective date, all members eligible for SGLI at that time will become insured for the maximum coverage of $400,000 until they make a valid election on or after the effective date to reduce or decline coverage. The new SGLV 8286 will not be made available until August 31, 2005. These changes will not affect coverage under Family SGLI (FSGLI). Such coverage and limitations on such coverage continue under previously existing rules.

Likewise, beginning on the effective date, all members who become newly eligible for SGLI will have $400,000 in coverage until they make a valid election to reduce or decline coverage. The monthly SGLI premium remains $3.25 per $50,000 of coverage. Therefore, $26.00 will become the monthly premium for full coverage beginning in September 2005.

Military Insurance is just like any other you have to pay for it just a whole lot cheaper than any where else. $26 for 400K