Check this picture out.

[kykiller]

This is one of my pen raised deer. Sorry about the picture quality it was raining.http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid51/pf654d62c43902d229b4b7b761a1fac4c/fca2f993.jpg

[Redneck]

Wow man, thats a record class buck...what do you have instore for the future of this buck?

Chase Powell

[kykiller]

The state regulations are getting tougher because of cwd but as long as my father is able to keep his permits the buck hopefully will die from old age.But right now he is only 4-1/2 he still has awhile to go.

[Redneck]

awesome

Chase Powell

[greenskeeter]

Do you just raise them for fun or something else?

[kykiller]

Just for fun no killing or selling just watching

[kykiller]

Here is a picture of one of our older deer.http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid50/pc5169aa252c1d930d2d164a944f3455f/fcaaf349.jpg

[raktrakr]

those are some nice bucks.have you learned anything from observation of these deer? BTW, as long as youre not import/exporting the deer,i dont know why they would revolk your permits

raktrakr
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[Multidigits]

What size enclosure are these deer in???? How how is the fence??? How many deer are on the inside????

[kykiller]

The fence is 8 ft. with two stands of barbwire above that. we have around 15 acres under high fence. We have around twenty deer we do supplemental feeding to make up for the size of the pen.You can tell we are doing a good job feeding due to the mass on the racks and the body weight of the deer.Our does usually produce two offspring which is antoher sign of a healthy heard. I not worried about getting our license revoked but they might make it to expensive with a bunch of check ups wtih the vets and pen restrictions(making sure their in the top quailty)We have to tag our deer and keep records on every one. So we had to purchase a dart gun and all the stuff that goes with it. Not complaing about it it just gets preatty tuff to keep up with all the stuff that goes along with it. Alot of work & money for a hobby.

[Multidigits]

Do you bring deer in to keep the gene pool from being screwed up??? With your does producing two fawns apiece, what are you doing to keep the number of deer at 20????

Are you concerned about the new bill that's in the Senate???

[kykiller]

We use to trade the yearlings but we never had a breeder buck breed for more than a couple of years a new guy usually steps up and takes charge. As far as are genetics we have five bucks that we score over 140 all the way up to 170. I'm not sure about the bill your are talking about. I just hope we don't over react to cwd like wisconsin did. we don't know how long this disease has been around. We just didn't check for it or have a name for it. I'm not scared of it wiping our state herd out. I would like to find out alot more about it before we make drastic changes.

[Multidigits]

What county is your deer farm in????


"I'm not scared of it wiping our state herd out. I would like to find out alot more about it before we make drastic changes." FACT--Almost every case to date of CWD has been traced to a captive deer herd operation.


Senate Bill 112-Here it is. I'm surprised you wouldn't know about it. It could cost you and your dad millions of dollars if one of your deer causes an outbreak of CWD in the State.

SB 112:
AN ACT relating to cervids.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Kentucky:

Section 1. KRS 150.720 is amended to read as follows:
(1) The Department of Agriculture in cooperation with the Department of Fish and Wildlife shall promulgate administrative regulations pertaining to health requirements, eradication of diseases, and identification of privately owned and farm raised cervids maintained for the production of meat and other products. The Department of Fish and Wildlife in cooperation with the Department of Agriculture shall promulgate administrative regulations pertaining to the importation and holding of cervids.
(2) If any person imports a diseased animal into the Commonwealth in violation of the statutes and administrative regulations, then that person shall be responsible to the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Fish and Wildlife for all costs incurred in the investigation, response, and eradication of that disease.
(3) No person shall import or transport a live cervid into Kentucky or receive shipment of a live cervid in the state from without the state.
(4) The intrastate movement of live cervids shall be done pursuant to regulations promulgated under this section.
(5) If a captive cervid escapes and is not recaptured within forty-eight (48) hours, it shall be deemed nuisance wildlife and may be destroyed without compensation to the owner. The Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources may recover from the owner costs incurred in capturing or destroying the animal.
(6) If any person holds or transports cervids without a permit, the animals may be seized and disposed of without compensation to the owner.
Section 2. KRS 150.990 is amended to read as follows:
(1) Each bird, fish, or animal taken, possessed, bought, sold, or transported and each device used or possessed contrary to the provisions of this chapter or any administrative regulation promulgated by the commission thereunder shall constitute a separate offense. The penalties prescribed in this section shall be for each offense.
(2) Any person who violates any of the provisions of this chapter or any administrative regulations promulgated by the commission thereunder may, in addition to the penalties provided in subsections (3), (4), (5), (6), (7), and (8) of this section, forfeit his license, or if that person is license exempt, may forfeit the privilege to perform the acts authorized by the license and shall not be permitted to purchase another license or exercise the privileges granted by a license during the same license year. No fines, penalty, or judgment assessed or rendered under this chapter shall be suspended, reduced, or remitted otherwise than expressly provided by law. Any person who violates any administrative regulation which has been or may be promulgated by the commission under any provisions of this chapter shall be subject to the same penalty as is provided for the violation of any provisions of this chapter under which the administrative regulation is promulgated.
(3) Any person who violates any of the provisions of KRS 150.120, 150.170, 150.280, 150.320, 150.355, 150.362, 150.400, 150.410, 150.415, 150.416, 150.445, 150.450, 150.470, 150.603, 150.235(1), 150.330(2), or 150.470, or any of the provisions of this chapter or any administrative regulation promulgated by the commission for which no definite fine or imprisonment is fixed shall be fined not less than twenty-five dollars ($25) nor more than two hundred dollars ($200).
(4) Any person who violates any of the provisions of KRS 150.290, 150.300, 150.340, 150.360, 150.362(1), 150.485, 150.600, 150.630, 150.660, the provisions of KRS 150.195(5) to (8), or KRS 150.660(3) shall be fined not less than twenty-five dollars ($25) nor more than two hundred dollars ($200) or be imprisoned for not more than six (6) months, or both. Also, any person violating the provisions of KRS 150.300 shall be assessed treble damages as provided in KRS 150.690 or 150.700. Damages assessed under this subsection shall be ordered to be paid directly to the department. The court shall not direct that the damages be paid through the circuit clerk.
(5) Any person who violates any of the provisions of KRS 150.411, 150.412, or 150.417 shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than five hundred dollars ($500).
(6) Any person who violates any of the provisions of KRS 150.183, 150.305, 150.365, 150.370, 150.330(1), or 150.235(2), (3), or (4) shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than five hundred dollars ($500) or imprisoned for not more than six (6) months, or both.
(7) Any person who violates any of the provisions of KRS 150.460 shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than five hundred dollars ($500) or imprisoned for not more than six (6) months, or both, and in addition to these penalties shall be liable to the department in an amount not to exceed the replacement value of the fish and wildlife which has been killed or destroyed. Costs assessed for the restoration of wildlife under this subsection shall be ordered to be paid directly to the department. The court shall not direct that the costs be paid through the circuit clerk.
(8) Any person who violates the provisions of KRS 150.180, 150.520, 150.525, or administrative regulations issued thereunder shall for the first offense be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000); and shall for a second offense be fined not less than five hundred dollars ($500) nor more than one thousand five hundred dollars ($1,500); and for any subsequent offense, be fined two thousand dollars ($2,000).
(9) Any person who violates the provisions of KRS 150.520 or administrative regulations issued thereunder shall, if the violation relates to methods of taking mussels, for a first offense be imprisoned in the county jail for no more than thirty (30) days; for a second offense be imprisoned in the county jail for no more than six (6) months; and for any subsequent offense be imprisoned in the county jail for no more than one (1) year. The penalties for violation of this subsection shall be in addition to the penalties for violation of subsection (8).
(10) Any person who violates any of the provisions of KRS 150.4111, 150.640, or subsections (2) or (3) of KRS 150.450 shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).
(11) Any person who violates any of the provisions of KRS 150.390 or KRS 150.092(4) shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) or imprisoned for not less than thirty (30) days nor more than one (1) year, or both. In addition to the penalties prescribed above, he shall forfeit his license or, if license exempt, the privilege to perform the acts authorized by the license for a period of one (1) to three (3) years and shall be liable to the department in an amount reasonably necessary to replace any deer, wild turkey, or bear taken in violation of KRS 150.390 and for violations of subsection (4) of KRS 150.092 shall be liable to the landowner or occupant for reasonable compensation for damages. Wildlife replacement costs assessed under this subsection shall be ordered to be paid directly to the department. The court shall not direct that the damages be paid through the circuit clerk. Damages assessed under this subsection shall be ordered to be paid directly to the landowner or occupant. The court shall not direct that the damages be paid through the circuit clerk. Any person who possesses, takes, or molests a wild elk in violation of KRS 150.390 or administrative regulations adopted under authority of that section shall be fined not less than one thousand dollars ($1,000) nor more than five thousand dollars ($5,000) or imprisoned for up to six (6) months, or both. In addition to these penalties, the person shall pay to the department an amount not to exceed the greater of the replacement cost of the wild elk or double any monetary gain realized from the illegal activity and shall forfeit his or her license, or if license exempt, the privilege to perform the acts authorized by the license for a period of one (1) to three (3) years.
(12) Any person who violates any of the provisions of KRS 150.090 other than a criminal homicide or an assault against an officer enforcing the provisions of this chapter, KRS Chapter 235, or the administrative regulations issued thereunder shall be guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(13) Any person who commits a criminal homicide or an assault against an officer enforcing the provisions of this chapter, KRS Chapter 235, or the administrative regulations issued thereunder shall be subject to the penalties specified for the offense under KRS Chapter 507 or 508, as appropriate.
(14) A person shall be guilty of a Class B misdemeanor upon the first conviction for a violation of KRS 150.710. A subsequent conviction shall be a Class A misdemeanor.
(15) Any person who violates the provisions of KRS 150.092 or the administrative regulations promulgated thereunder for which no other penalty is specified elsewhere in this section shall for the first offense be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than three hundred dollars ($300); for the second offense, be fined not less than three hundred dollars ($300) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000); and for subsequent offenses, shall forfeit the license, or if license-exempt, the privilege to perform the acts authorized by the license, for one (1) year and shall be fined not less than one thousand dollars ($1,000) or be imprisoned in the county jail for up to one (1) year, or both. In addition to the penalties prescribed in this subsection, the violator shall be liable to the landowner or tenant for the replacement cost of any property which was damaged or destroyed by his actions. Damages assessed under this subsection shall be ordered to be paid directly to the landowner or the tenant. The court shall not direct that the damages be paid through the circuit clerk.
(16) Any person who violates Section 1 of this Act or the regulations promulgated pursuant to it shall be fined not less than five hundred dollars ($500) nor more than five thousand dollars ($5000), imprisoned for not more than six (6) months, or both. In addition, a violator shall be liable to the state and other affected livestock owners for all costs incurred in responding to the violation. These costs include but are not limited to investigation, capture, destruction of potentially diseased animals, and replacement value of destroyed wildlife and livestock.

[Highbow]

These deer look very similar to the deer two of my buddies have pen raised over the years , they both had large fenced lots and did the supplement feedings too, I don't fence but I do the feeding and have seen very similar results on free roaming deer. The only reason I think we will see CWD show up is from the elk brought in and released, other than that I have watched as many as 10 deer stand and eat from my feeders and have seen no signs of disease or other problems related to feeding. Supplement feeding does improve the health and quality if not over done and I don't see any reason to ban feeding of deer.

[Multidigits]

I'm all for a person being able to feed deer if he wants. This can't spread any disease unless one of the deer already has something. But I'm dead against fencing in wildlife that belongs to the state and moving those animals from one location to another. Hopefully this practice will be cut back after the Senate bill passes.

[kykiller]

multidigits as long as we abide by the rules it says nothing about us paying anything. We have to have them checked out by vets but there is no way of checking cwd on live animals. As far as the deer belonging to the state then tell the stae to quit contacting us with fawns that ignorant people pick up and can't take care of. I put these pictures here to show you guys some big bucks not to start a fight about cwd(in which all of a sudden everybody is an expert)What about blue tounge we know we have that disease that has wiped alot of heards of wild deer and we dont't discuss that.

[RTC]

Thanks kykiller for sharing your pictures. I do appreciate your effort and a lot of others here do also.

[bower]

those are some nice bucks, mainly the first pic you showed.

>--> if it's brown it's down<--<

[Highbow]

Kykiller , no offense ment, I fully support a person doing this, I know one guy who opened his pens afters 10 years and help to stock Floyd Co and he did a great job, he bought fawns in Ohio and had several given to him by F&W and hunters that he raised and turned them out , he can still open the gates and many will go back in and stay a week at at atime.

[rouge]

kykiller, some people like to stirr the shit around here.i guess they have nothing better to do. i think what u are doing is pretty cool.

[kykiller]

Thanks for the postive responses. I'm not on this board to argue just to talk with other whitetail nuts like myself.

[LoneRanger]

I think it's real cool, having 20 head of cattle in a 15 acre pen. equating blue tongue with cwd is about like comparing the flu with aids, both of them can kill you but which one would you rather have?????

[Valley Station]

Actually "blue tongue" is more deadly, but, is seasonally short lived.
Thousands of deer die of "blue tongue" annually in the southeastern part of the country, were it is more previlent.
There have been several severe outbreaks here in Ky, seems like Grayson county went from one of the highest harvest co. in state, 7-8 years ago. Had "blue tongue" outbreak and deer harvest dropped to about 1/3 previous season.
However, once CWD enters are deer herd, it will be here to stay.[V]

[LoneRanger]

"Actually "blue tongue" is more deadly" -- Deer that have blue tongue don't always die, those with cwd always do. the drop in deer harvest in grayson co. wasn't all due to blue tongue, zone 1 status surely made a difference? i know ft knox had some blue tongue but didn't suffer any major losses or permanant set backs.

[Multidigits]

http://photos.deerfarmer.com/whitetail/WT-085/wt-085.html

[rlb165]

Cool Pics, Kykiller!

Question: When do your bucks generally start dropping their racks? I'm just wonderin' how long they hang on to 'em, since they receive optimal nutrition and aren't stressed.


Also, what do you supplementally feed your deer?

Also, is there any certain brand of mineral that your deer particularly like?

THANKS!

[kykiller]

Yes we supplmental feed we use a corn with a high protein mix. Why do these message boards argue so much. We are fellow hunters talking about are passion(whitetails) shouldn't be fun?Didn't mean to start a rukus.

[bower]

kykiller i'm with you on this whole thing about the argueing thing. do what you do and don't worry about what people have to say negative about it.

>--> if it's brown it's down<--<