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[shogan]

I'm thinking about a semi auto and am torn between the ar10 in 308 and the ak-47 in 308.

Anyone have any thoughts. The price difference makes me lean towards the ak-47.

[shogan]

of course if I look at the ak then a 7.62X39 is dirt cheap but some say that round isn't much for hunting and limited to about a 100 yards. And then there is the question of ammo availability.

I know the 308 is easy to get but what about 7.62X39

[shogan]

I'm torn between an ATOM bomb and a Hydrogen bomb anyone have any thoughts as to which one will kill more coyotes with the least amount of damage to the land.

[Multidigits]

Repeat the question???

[shogan]

Ok
Shogan wants to get an assault rifle that is a decent shooter and all around gun. Lets say I want to shoot coyotes and pigs at a 100 yards. It's my understanding that the 223 is about good for ground hogs only. So I start looking at 308 in AK-47 and AR-10

Who prefers which and why?

Now if I'm considering the AK-47 I can pick up the 762.39 for the dirt cheap price of $149 (gee in comparison to the AR-10 for $1000) but I really don't want a cheap piece of crat. Nor do I want a round thats difficult to find.

How do you rate the 308 to the 762X39 in rapid fire reliability and accuracy at say 100-150 yards?

Just thought some of you might have some experience with the hunting rifles.

[.300Savage]

Shogan,
Here is some interesting info I found on the 7.62X39, .223, and the .308.The 7.62 NATO (.308 Winchester) was adopted as the standard cartridge for small arms (rifles) for the American Military in the late 1950's. Even after the M16 became popular during the Vietnam War the 7.62 cartridge still continued in specialized service by snipers, Navy nuclear weapons guards, Navy Seals, and light machine guns. The 7.62 bullet is similar in ballistics to the 30-06 (pronounced "thirty ought six") caliber bullet used in the 1903 Springfield Bolt Action Rifle early in this century, and M-1 Garand Semi-Automatic Rifle of WWII and Korea. The American M-14 Rifle in 7.62 is still in use in our armed forces and saw a resurgence of use by Marines in the deserts of Iraq during the Gulf War due to it's long range, flat trajectory and ability to penetrate steel. Upon entering a fleshy target, the 7.62 bullet travels strait nearly six inches before the massive shock wave ahead of the bullet transfers incredible energy into the target as the bullet begins to tumble. Thus the bullet can exit before the maximum shock wave expansion can occur. 30 Caliber rifle bullets of this type are known to knock men down, and throw them off their feet back some distance. The cartridge is powerful, accurate, and humane in it's ability to kill quickly. The permanent cavity produced remains after the bullet exits the body. The temporary cavity causes tearing of tissues and muscle damage. The temporary cavitation (shock wave) causes death when it impacts the heart or liver but not necessarily in other areas of the torso.

The 7.62 x 39 Cartridge is an intermediate size cartridge used around the world in the AK-47 Automatic Rifle and SKS Semiautomatic rifles. While not considered as accurate as American and European weapons, these weapons are famous for their ease of manufacture and incredible reliability. While not quite as devastating as the 30 caliber rounds, the 7.62 x 39 is still quite deadly having an unusual tendency to remain intact even after taking unusual deviations upon contact with bone.

The 5.56 NATO (.233) is the work horse of the American Military, as well as the armies of many other countries, being the cartridge used in the M-16 Rifle, first adopted during the VietnamWar and now used in the weapons of many other countries. For a little bullet, the 5.56 bullet produces quite dramatic wounds. While the traditional 30-06 caliber bullet of the M1 Garand and 7.62 bullet of the M14 rifle would immediately knock a man down, the 5.56 bullet instead enters the body, quickly turns sideways after passing through only 4" of flesh, then breaks in two major pieces, as well as many smaller fragments. During the Vietnam War, soldiers reported that shooting an enemy soldier with the M16 did not kill as quickly as the old 30 caliber weapons. Instead soldiers would follow a massive trail a blood a few feet away from where the enemy soldier had been hit to find him dead from massive blood loss. This light-weight cartridge permits soldiers to carry more ammo, but is not as effective at long distances as heavier cartridges and does not penetrate steel as well. The low recoil permits quick follow-up shots and minimal muzzle climb during automatic fire.

There are some neat graphics that go along with this at:
http://www.bobtuley.com/terminal.htm

Hope this helps.

Rocco

[shogan]

Ahh now thats some information.

So what I got out of that is the 308 is a flatter trajectory then the 7.62X39

So that answers that question 308?

It seems I read that the american/euro weapons were more accurate then the ak-47/sks

So that would lead one to the AR-10 (the only true advantage of the 223 was in use of auto weapons)

[Multidigits]

Neither the .308 or the 7.62 X 39 are hard to come by. But it depends on what you want it in and so on. Military ammo is cheap and readily available, but Walmart won't have it. They would have .308 in several choices. If you want to shoot military stuff, buy it by the case. For .308 and good quality hunting loads, either reload or by name brand factory ammo. The balistics on the .308 make it a more versitile round. Capable to take big bears on down. It compares to the 30-06, where as the 7.62 X 39 would come up a little short...no pun intended.

[shogan]

I think I'm going to set my long term sights on the ar10 in 308.