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Willie
05-06-2005, 06:37 PM
DUMB!!

ST. CROIX - A Washington (Ind.) man hunting turkeys in northern Perry County first denied accidentally shooting another hunter Monday, but later fell to his knees and admitted to the shotgun blast that seriously injured a Santa Claus Indiana man.

Rod K. Emmons, 48, was listed in serious condition Wednesday in the surgical
intensive-care unit of University Hospital in Louisville, Ky. More than 30
shotgun pellets penetrated the man's chest and abdomen, investigators said.
The hunter accused of shooting him, 45-year-old Vincent D. Deitz Jr., faces
possible criminal charges. Investigators are expected to submit their report
to the county prosecutor's office this week.

According to information provided The News by Joe Lackey and Phil Schuetter, two of several Indiana Department of Natural Resources officers working the case, Deitz was hunting for turkeys on private property south of Indiana 62 west of St. Croix. Shortly after 10:30 a.m., Emmons and his 15-year-old son, who were also hunting for turkeys that morning, walked through the same area.

Deitz, who was on the opposite side of a line of trees, allegedly mistook
the sounds the father and son were making for turkeys and fired a round from
his 12-gauge shotgun, striking the elder Emmons above the waist.

All three hunters were wearing full camouflage commonly worn by turkey
hunters, Schuetter said.

According to officers, Deitz ran up to the father and son immediately after
the shooting but instead of saying he had fired the gun, allegedly indicated
the blast had come from someone else nearby. Deitz then ran for help.

The injured man's son, using a cell phone, reported the shooting at 10:43
a.m. "My dad's just been shot by some turkey hunter," the teen can be heard
saying on the recorded 911 call. His name was not released by police.

The teen remained on the phone at his father's side until help arrived.
Meanwhile, Deitz drove to a neighbor's house and had a woman dial 911 nine
minutes after the first call was made to police.

Handed the phone by the elderly resident, Deitz gave a dispatcher the
location where Emmons was wounded and agreed to direct police to the scene.

However, Deitz never admitted to being the shooter during the conversation.
"A feller got shot and might need an ambulance," he said. At one point,
Deitz told dispatchers he had tried unsuccessfully to get Emmons on his feet
so he could seek medical care.

The county's rescue squad and EMS transported Emmons to a field where a
medical helicopter had room to land. He was flown directly to Louisville.

Deitz returned to the scene with a state police trooper, but Schuetter and
Lackey said the man directly denied any involvement. Officers allege Deitz
did more than lie about his responsibility, but actually hid the gun and the
spent shell casing in his truck after the shooting and even handed
conservation officers another type of shotgun shell. However, the pellets
pulled from trees in the area where Emmons was hit didn't match those in the
shells Deitz said he was using.

A discarded piece of chewing gum Lackey said matched the kind Deitz had in
his possession was found near where the shot was likely fired.

Officers eventually asked permission to search Deitz's pickup. He refused,
but after learning a search warrant was going to be requested, he gave
officers consent to search the truck and then admitted to firing the shot
that injured Emmons. At one point, a sobbing Deitz dropped to his knees in
remorse. "Something in him snapped and he said he did it," Lackey said.
Deitz later apologized to Emmons' son.

Deitz had heard turkeys in the area that morning and said he had shot at one
but missed. He likely fired through the vegetation at the sounds Emmons and
his son were making over 100 feet away, confusing them for a turkey,
Schuetter said.

jeffwestky
05-06-2005, 06:56 PM
my parents live in that area and i am planning on turkey hunting there next week

plowboy
05-06-2005, 07:36 PM
Another story about an IDIOT who shoots at noises and does not make sure of his target. IMO unforgivable.

KentuckyTracker
05-06-2005, 10:37 PM
I feel bad for the man that got shot. For the idiot that shot him, he should get some time over his mistake. No offense to any present company, but I have found most Indiana hunters that I have hunted with to be on a totally different page than me! I've asked a buddy before, but don't remember the answer, do Hoosiers have to go through a hunter safety course? For some reason I thought they didn't! I might be wrong, but my brother-in-laws ... father-in-law ..... is close to 50 and he said he never took a hunter safety course. The legislators in Indiana are gonna eat this one up with all of their anti-gun crap. Some Hoosiers might find themselves hunting south of the Ohio before to long.

Willie
05-07-2005, 07:25 AM
Indiana does have a hunter education requirement.

It was grandfathered in so that anyone born after 1986 has to take the course before they can hunt.

The shooter in this case was not required to take the course.

I can assure you the 15 year old hunting with the dad that was sot has had the course - unles he was huntuing illegal.

I don't think we need to get into another border war as there are idiots in every state regardless of HE requirements.

Hoosier5
05-07-2005, 07:46 AM
I feel bad for the man that got shot. For the idiot that shot him, he should get some time over his mistake. No offense to any present company, but I have found most Indiana hunters that I have hunted with to be on a totally different page than me! I've asked a buddy before, but don't remember the answer, do Hoosiers have to go through a hunter safety course? For some reason I thought they didn't! I might be wrong, but my brother-in-laws ... father-in-law ..... is close to 50 and he said he never took a hunter safety course. The legislators in Indiana are gonna eat this one up with all of their anti-gun crap. Some Hoosiers might find themselves hunting south of the Ohio before to long.

Please don't place all Hoosier Hunters in the same class as the Idiot. For the most part Hoosier Hunters are just as safe and careless as anyother Hunter regardless of States. For the record, I have had a few close calls hunting in your State of Kentucky. Indiana does have a Hunter Safety Course, infact my Nephew just finished his. Regardless of how you feel toward Hoosier Hunters, the incident was unfortunate but could have happen anywhere, so please don't put Hoosier Hunters down as being careless.

Chimpy
05-07-2005, 12:32 PM
Just curious, the article said Mr. Dietz was hunting private land, so does that mean the other guy and his son were trespassing, or did they have permission as well? Regardless, what Dietz did was pure stupidity, but if the other two weren't supposed to be there --- well, my sympathy only goes so far.

gobbl4me
05-07-2005, 10:42 PM
the father and son may have been tresspassing or they may have had permission to be there is really not the point. The main focus should be is how stupid one person can be to just shoot at sounds instead of identifying his target. i dont know indiana regs but i would assume only turkeys with visable beards are legal to shoot there as they are here. this idiot should do time and have his hunting prevlages revoked for life and his guns taken away ppl like him shouldn't be allowed to keep firearms.

bigsouthforkboy
05-09-2005, 08:24 AM
No offense to any present company, but I have found most Indiana hunters that I have hunted with to be on a totally different page than me!

Are you kidding me? You do realize that that is exactly the kind of crap that some people in Indiana say about "most Kentucky hunters" too, right? When I hear that stuff I always jump to your defense. Every state has their share of idiots and I feel quite certain that there are a few in Kentucky too. As a matter of fact, where I own land in Kentucky, some don't think any game laws apply to them. No one is going to tell them what to do with their land, or their deer, or their turkeys. These people exist everywhere. Let's just leave state generalizations out of the equations and talk about idiot individuals instead. I know you didn't mean anything by it really, but whenever you open a sentence with the words "No offense...but", it usually is offensive.

BearsBud
05-09-2005, 10:47 AM
I have three real problems with this story. First, the obvious problem of some nimrod firing at something he can't see. Secondly, how damn tall does he think a turkey is. He hit the man in the chest. Now, unless the victim was a midget, that shooter either was shoting way too high or shot high on purpose. I wonder which one it was. Third, it was a hundred yard shot through brush. I wouldn't attempt that with a 3 1/2 mag even if I could see the turkey. I am not sure I am convinced of the accidental scenario.

Valley Station
05-09-2005, 10:52 AM
Bearbuds,

" a hundred yards thru brush"?? Were did you get that??
If that had been the case, there would have been minimal injury.

Willie
05-09-2005, 10:56 AM
I have three real problems with this story. First, the obvious problem of some nimrod firing at something he can't see. Secondly, how damn tall does he think a turkey is. He hit the man in the chest. Now, unless the victim was a midget, that shooter either was shoting way too high or shot high on purpose. I wonder which one it was. Third, it was a hundred yard shot through brush. I wouldn't attempt that with a 3 1/2 mag even if I could see the turkey. I am not sure I am convinced of the accidental scenario.

That was "100 feet"..

100 yards would have only burned him..

My guess is the man was seated and calling for his son when the guy opened fire on him. Maybe just at the sounds or maybe a hint of a movement.

Yes, it is bearded birds ONLY.

We do have it right that this man was an idiot irregardless of which side of the river he is on.

BearsBud
05-09-2005, 02:41 PM
Bearbuds,

" a hundred yards thru brush"?? Were did you get that??
If that had been the case, there would have been minimal injury.

You are correct, I misread it. I guess that only leaves me with two troublesome points.

Roost em 1st
05-09-2005, 04:58 PM
I hope the youth involved is not so shaken that he will hang up his camo.

kycowboy
05-09-2005, 06:14 PM
It don't matter which side of the river or the ocean you live on this should not have happened the man was a complete idiot if he was deer hunting with a high powered rifle instead of turkey hunting with a shotgun he could have easily have killed them both

CPA Hunter
05-09-2005, 09:15 PM
Ya know, I can almost see an unsupervised kid doing something so crazy (not to offend younger folks on here, but we were all a little more impulsive back then), but a grown man is unimaginable. I have to see that gobbler, see that bird, see that it is a longbeard and not just something moving. I guess accidents can happen, but shooting at movement or turkey sounds is just plain stupid. You could walk right by me playing a gobbling tape and I would not flinch (safety might come off) until I identified a bird -- I just can't see how someone could be so careless. Maybe there is more to the story, but it just freaks me out.

Tom Threetoes
05-09-2005, 10:23 PM
Kentucky Tracker, your statement was inappropriate and offensive. Stupidity knows no state lines. Tom

Ditch-Crawler
05-10-2005, 03:47 PM
Chimpy, you're telling me that if the guy was indeed tresspassing (which it does not mention) then you have less sympathy for him??? That is crazy. Maybe while they are doing CPR on the guy you can give him a lecture about respecting people's property or ELSE!! Give me a break. That was not very tactful on your part.

KY_Fried
05-11-2005, 10:43 PM
I will NEVER understand how somebody could be so stupid that they just shoot at sounds. It just blows my mind.

kyhunter270
05-12-2005, 04:24 AM
It takes examples like this to instill in all of us the importance of hunting safely. You hear all the time of people going out hunting after drinking alcohol, and of others taking HAIL MARY shots because that's all they had. And for us Kentucky boys, "Less we forget" the fella around Hazard who mistook an elk for a deer and then drove it around town on his front of his truck.....I feel sorry for the trigger man for making such a stupid mistake, and I hope the man comes out okay. Most importantly, I hope the young man learns from all of this and is acknowledged for probably saving his Fathers life. Without the call, I do not believe the shooter would have stuck around for the call???????

plowboy
05-12-2005, 08:39 AM
Maybe we should require a hunter saftey course and a test before granting a hunting license. I think the requirement that our younger folks have to have had to course is good.

oldforestor
06-08-2005, 01:57 PM
Not meaning to be a know it all, but in defense of the Nimrod...
Nimrod is a mythical hunter of great expertise...
Somehow it started being used as a synonym for dumbass.