low life turkey poacher

[snareman]

Went out this morning to listen for birds. At about 6:05 am I heard a shot and about jumped out of my skin!! Then a second shot. It was a long way from where I was but knew it was on the adjoining farm. I headed in the direction to maybe get a look. By the time I got to the prop. line I could see a truck driving off. After it left I eased over in the area and found a pile of feathers and blood. This makes me very ill. It's never crossed my mind to open the season early. I get HOT every time I think about what happened this morn. Just needing to vent!!!

[creekdawgg]

What county? Call the CO That thes only way to stop it, If your mad then do something about it. Make that call

[SixPack07]

Might not get him for this one, but if you call it in, then there is at least a chance he'll get caught next time.

[raktrakr]

Did you have permission to "ease over" and take a look?
I know exactly how you feel though, theres plenty of that going on around here

[quackrstackr]

Goes on in my neck of the woods too. Why I quit turkey hunting 4 years ago.

The locals have their run of my lease weeks before actual season comes in and I live an hour away. Not a whole lot left when I get there, especially when there's not a lot there to begin with after they logged it about 5 years ago.

[creekdawgg]

Why even mention that? I sure hope youre not thinking the guy who ease's over to take a look is just as wrong as the poacher. I hardly think they are in the same catagory.

Did you have permission to "ease over" and take a look?
I know exactly how you feel though, theres plenty of that going on around here

[mpkzoo]

man people like that need to be "legally" shot

[deerhunter1984]

Sounds like the same situation I had a couple a years ago...Had a gobbler shock to my owl call..So I set up and give a few soft yelps before he flew down, then bang and a thump when he hit the ground from the tree...Woods were so thick couldn't see he it was....But the thing is I was the only hunter who had permission to hunt the property...Can't stand those type of people...Just takes all the fun out of it for me...And really ticks me off when someone trespassing...But it happens all the time.

[Multidigits]

Why even mention that? I sure hope youre not thinking the guy who ease's over to take a look is just as wrong as the poacher. I hardly think they are in the same catagory.

In actuallity he is. He'll be labeled a "wildlife violater" and it could make regional news(WHAS 84). Same catagory, no, but still a KRS 150 violation. :)

[turk2di]

With the shortage of CO's, perhaps it's time to form a group of hunters in each county(volunteers) to aid in patrolling. Deputise individuals after a training session and put a stop to this. After all, WE are out there somewhere, EVERYDAY! Only WE can put a stop to cheaters! Idea's anyone!

[raktrakr]

I sure hope youre not thinking the guy who ease's over to take a look is just as wrong as the poacher.

In the eyes of the law, yes

[Multidigits]

With the shortage of CO's, perhaps it's time to form a group of hunters in each county(volunteers) to aid in patrolling. Deputise individuals after a training session and put a stop to this. After all, WE are out there somewhere, EVERYDAY! Only WE can put a stop to cheaters! Idea's anyone!

The help has been offered and refused.

[snareman]

turk2di,

Not a bad idea. I once met a guy from Illinois who said he was a volunteer CO. He said he rode around with the CO and helped whenever he could.

As for the guy who questioned whether my "easing around" was in the same category as the guy who shot the turkey out of season I say, dedicate your time somewhere else where it can be useful. Being critical of someone like myself who is trying to save a turkey you may someday hunt is absurd!!

I did contact the CO and he was grateful and said not to worry about the "easing around", it was for the right reason.

[littleindian]

How bout something similar to the Neighborhood Watch program? If sportsmen don't take a stand, who will? Due to budgets and other constraints it will be up to us to make a difference. Even if it is an"unofficial" group once the poachers know we are out there, they will be less likely to commit the crime. CO's & ethical sportsmen need to work together to stop this crime of stealing from all the people of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

[Multidigits]

Again, F & W is not interested in civillians getting involved with LE other than calling the 1-800 number. It's been suggested and shot down. Maybe when Tom Bennett is gone, it's something that can be explored again, but for now, they aren't interested.

[skeetshooter105]

LIABILITY: This word is the reason no one can volunteer for co assistance. I was a deputy game warden over Zone 4 at Fort Knox for years and assisted the local warden on occasions. I underwent hours and hours of training through the Military Police and State Programs. Carried a sidearm, could enforce all rules and regulations. This was many years ago, before someone heard the LIABILITY word for volunteerism duties. The first thing that went was enforcement. Could not stop anyone for violations, only take vehicle plate numbers and nothing more. Then the firearms were ordered away. Could not protect or defend ourselves. Trust me friends, there are those out there who will shoot you in a minute to keep from paying a few hundred dollar fine. Have had that happen in 1974 by a previous convicted felon stealing from the impact areas on firing range. Take plate numbers, vehicle type ect. and call it in. Dennis

[buckfever]

In actuallity he is. He'll be labeled a "wildlife violater" and it could make regional news(WHAS 84). Same catagory, no, but still a KRS 150 violation. :)

No, he is not a "wildlife violator". He said he "eased" over to take a look. Even assuming that "easing over" meant he went on a neighbor's property, we don't know whether he had permission to be on the neighbor's property and/or whether the property was posted. At most, he may have been guilty of trespassing. His actions were certainly not violative of any "wildlife" law. For example, "hunting without permisson" IS a wildlife violation when a person is caught redhanded shooting game in a field when they know they don't have permission.

[Multidigits]

No, he is not a "wildlife violator". He said he "eased" over to take a look. Even assuming that "easing over" meant he went on a neighbor's property, we don't know whether he had permission to be on the neighbor's property and/or whether the property was posted. At most, he may have been guilty of trespassing. His actions were certainly not violative of any "wildlife" law. For example, "hunting without permisson" IS a wildlife violation when a person is caught redhanded shooting game in a field when they know they don't have permission.

"At most, he may have been guilty of trespassing." I think there's a KRS that addresses that item?

I think we know what easing over means.

[buckfever]

"At most, he may have been guilty of trespassing." I think there's a KRS that addresses that item?

I think we know what easing over means.

The KRS provision that you're thinking about applies to trespassing in connection with "wildlife-related" activities. He was investigating a possible crime, nothing specifically "wildlife related". He just happened to find some "wildlife" evidence. I think this KRS would apply if he had gotten caught trespassing on his neighbor's property to scout for turkeys.

As for him "easing", I wasn't sure what he meant. I thought he may have simply used that term b/c he didn't want to walk up on bad guy carrying a loaded shotgun.

[Valley Station]

"Wildlife related"? You reckin' a KDFWR LE officer will arrest me on public property if I'm drinkin' a cold beer, if I'm not holding a fishin' pole in the other hand?
You betcha.

[buckfever]

"Wildlife related"? You reckin' a KDFWR LE officer will arrest me on public property if I'm drinkin' a cold beer, if I'm not holding a fishin' pole in the other hand?
You betcha.

I'm not sure where you're going with this? Are u saying you'd receive a citation for drinking beer on public property or that you'd get a "wildlife related" trespassing citation? Or is it simply that you'd receive a citation from a KDFWR LE officer?

If I understand you correctly, I think your question is more related to jurisdiction than it is to the issue of what constitutes a "wildlife violation." Even if we assume that a CO can cite people for drinking beer on public property (which I'm pretty sure they can if drinking beer in such a place is illegal), I'm not sure how that citation would amount to a "wildlife related" violation. I'm sure CO's have jurisdiction to enforce a whole range of laws. Although most of the time they are wildlife related, it's not always the case. If a CO stopped a rape in progress on public land, would you consider that to be a "wildlife" crime simply b/c a CO was the arresting officer?

As for the latter in your hypothetical, first, I'm not sure how you'd get a trespassing ticket for being on public property, and, second, how simply being ticketed for illegally being on public property would somehow make the trespass wildlife related.

[Multidigits]

The KRS provision that you're thinking about applies to trespassing in connection with "wildlife-related" activities. He was investigating a possible crime, nothing specifically "wildlife related". He just happened to find some "wildlife" evidence. I think this KRS would apply if he had gotten caught trespassing on his neighbor's property to scout for turkeys.

As for him "easing", I wasn't sure what he meant. I thought he may have simply used that term b/c he didn't want to walk up on bad guy carrying a loaded shotgun.

Had he actually been trespassing, which was not alleged by me, then he could have been cited by a CO. If you want to say that it wasn't a "wildlife violation" even though a CO writes him for it, then that's up to you. I think it's pretty well known where you wanting to go with this anyway. As for the bad guy with the shotgun,-- he saw him drive off??

[buckfever]

Had he actually been trespassing, which was not alleged by me, then he could have been cited by a CO. If you want to say that it wasn't a "wildlife violation" even though a CO writes him for it, then that's up to you. I think it's pretty well known where you wanting to go with this anyway. As for the bad guy with the shotgun,-- he saw him drive off??

Not every crime automatically becomes a "wildlife violation" simply by virtue of the fact that the CO is the arresting officer, and, even if he had been cited, it would've been for general trespass, not under the wildlife-related trespass statute.

As for the bad guy with the shotgun, yeah, he saw a truck drive off and probably safely assumed that it was the shooter, but it certainly makes sense that he'd tread lightly (and "ease" around) when he knew that an armed poacher may be close by and not knowing for certain whether the shooter was the one that drove off. Obviously, the poacher and the driver were one and the same.

[Multidigits]

yadayadayada:eek:

[tex]

Them turkeys better stay out of my driveway. If they continue to trespass, I will prosecute them. I think they were casing my Herbie, which, if they broke into it, would be a wildlife violation, wouldn't it? Punishible by death, with a deep fryer and some potato salad as it's last resting place.

[snareman]

Wow!!!!! I never dreamed what controversy my post would create. Those of us who turkey hunt, turkey scout. If we're out there we will eventually hear those early shots and possibly see violations occuring. I personally feel it is my duty as a turkey hunter and a conservationist to help stop the poaching in any way I can. This is what I did the other day and I will do it again. I believe my time the other morning was better spent doing what I did versus walking the other way debating this KRS vs. that KRS and whether or not I could be charged with a trespass violation for doing the right thing! I've got better things to do than study and memorize KRS's!!

Multi, if I did not know better I'd think you are either an attorney who defends wildlife violators or a wildlife violator striving to learn your way around the laws.

[buckfever]

Wow!!!!! I never dreamed what controversy my post would create. Those of us who turkey hunt, turkey scout. If we're out there we will eventually hear those early shots and possibly see violations occuring. I personally feel it is my duty as a turkey hunter and a conservationist to help stop the poaching in any way I can. This is what I did the other day and I will do it again. I believe my time the other morning was better spent doing what I did versus walking the other way debating this KRS vs. that KRS and whether or not I could be charged with a trespass violation for doing the right thing! I've got better things to do than study and memorize KRS's!!

Multi, if I did not know better I'd think you are either an attorney who defends wildlife violators or a wildlife violator striving to learn your way around the laws.

Well, he's not an attorney.

[Multidigits]

Well, he's not an attorney.

Yeah, that apparently goes for both of us.

And I never accused you of trespassing, pal. Just made the comment that you could be charge with that had you not had premission to enter the lands you did. We all know that some wardens use discretion, and some don't. You take the chance to spend your money as you see fit. And if you need an attorney, be sure to hire one that's actually won a case or two in his lifetime.

[dipits]

(1) ? Do you know who owns adjoining land.
(2) ? Could the truck you saw have been the owner checkin out the shot as you said the shot was a long way off.

[buckfever]

Yeah, that apparently goes for both of us.

YOU BACK ON THE SAUCE AGAIN, MULTI? HOW'S YOUR COUNSELING GOING?

And I never accused you of trespassing, pal. Just made the comment that you could be charge with that had you not had premission to enter the lands you did. We all know that some wardens use discretion, and some don't. You take the chance to spend your money as you see fit. And if you need an attorney, be sure to hire one that's actually won a case or two in his lifetime.

WELL, I WOULDN'T GET YOUR ATTORNEY REFERRAL FROM MULTI. WHATEVER ATTORNEY HE USED CERTAINLY DIDN'T GET HIM OFF THE HOOK. BUT THEN AGAIN, AS THE JUDGE I ONCE CLERKED FOR USED TO SAY. . . "IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF A PERSON'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO CATCH 'EM RED-HANDED." PERRY MASON COULDN'T HAVE WON THAT CASE.

[RabbitRodeo]

Snareman, I think allot of people have a problem with your easing over the line. You obviously had a pretty good idea of what was going on or you wouldn't have crossed over, correct? Perhaps you have a good relationship with said neighbor, and you and him/her cross over on one another on occassion. We don't know, but I for one would have a big problem with anyone coming over on me to take a look at what I am doing. I have killed coyote on mornings scouting turkey. Now, if I had just killed, or missed shooting a yote, and am driving back to my house, and low and behold I see you EASING over on my property, what am I going to think? I am going to give you a good chewing, and no matter what you tell me, I am thinking that you were sneaking over on me to kill a couple of my turkeys. Now, that being said, you obviously found the scene of a poached turkey(s). At 6:05 a.m. I know it was too dark to take down a plate. Have you approached your neighbor about the event? Maybe he is killin em early, or could be that he let someone else get one. But, I for one would not condone you for coming on my property even if you had found the scene of a poached turkey.

[buckfever]

And I never accused you of trespassing, pal. Just made the comment that you could be charge with that had you not had premission to enter the lands you did.

You didn't accuse snareman (your "pal") of trespassing? Liar

Originally Posted by creekdawgg:
"Why even mention that? I sure hope youre not thinking the guy who ease's over to take a look is just as wrong as the poacher. I hardly think they are in the same catagory."

Posted by Multi:
"In actuallity he is. He'll be labeled a "wildlife violater" and it could make regional news(WHAS 84). Same catagory, no, but still a KRS 150 violation."

If THAT'S not calling him a trespasser, I don't know what would. . . .Not only did you call him a trespasser, you went so far as to say he "actually" is as wrong as the poacher.

[Multidigits]

You didn't accuse snareman (your "pal") of trespassing? Liar

Originally Posted by creekdawgg:
"Why even mention that? I sure hope youre not thinking the guy who ease's over to take a look is just as wrong as the poacher. I hardly think they are in the same catagory."

Posted by Multi:
"In actuallity he is. He'll be labeled a "wildlife violater" and it could make regional news(WHAS 84). Same catagory, no, but still a KRS 150 violation."

If THAT'S not calling him a trespasser, I don't know what would. . . .Not only did you call him a trespasser, you went so far as to say he "actually" is as wrong as the poacher.


Bite me, asshole. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_6_8.gif

[raktrakr]

Boy I really stirred this pile didnt I :D

[snareman]

RabbitRodeo,

It is my understanding that it is perfectly legal to hunt coyotes year round. However, you might reconsider packing that "coyote" gun while "turkey scouting", you may someday find yourself in a predicament where it appears you're hunting birds before season. I personally would never dream of packing a long gun of any kind while pre season turkey scouting. Doesn't make much sense to me. I guess because I'm one of the few who doesn't fear being attacked by a pack of coyotes or a bobcat while in the outdoors. As for my criminal act of trespass, you could only hope for more conservatonists like myself to be out there concerned with the welfare of the turkey you may hunt. I'm beginning to believe we have so many poachers because your way of thinking hinders the numbers of calls the poacher hotline receives, thus making it that more easy to get away with a crime.