Clubs against expanded crossbow use

[Multidigits]

Harrods Creek
Ky. Fur-takers
Electricians Rod & Hunting
Jefferson C. Sportsmen’s Club
Fern Creek Sportsmen
Lill Kentucky Muzzleloaders
Quial Unlimited (Jefferson Co.)
Ohio River Bow Hunters
Two Bucks, Lesco Bow Hunting Club
Derby City NWTF
Chickasaw Archery
Central Ky. Bow Hunters
Dogwood Drummer’s Chapter on NWTF
Eddie Oiozco NWTF
Meade Co. Sportsmen


Some of these I can well understand. Others, like the Ky. HFH will suffer. My family normally gives 3 or 4 deer per year to this group and pays the service charge. I'll give them to someone else this year for free, especially the ones I kill with the crossbow. Some of these others are constantly hawking raffle tickets, and I always support them. No more. I'll print this list and carry it in my wallet. When asked, I'll check the list and decline if it's from one of these clubs. Life's abitch then you die!

[buckfever]

On behalf of the Ohio River Bowhunter's Association, I'd like to ask anyone interested in protecting and preserving Kentucky's hunting heritage to assist us with a $10 donation for our recent campaign, which we have dubbed the "Give The Sportsmen Back Their Voice" Campaign. I'd be happy to send the particulars to anyone interested. Thanks for your assistance.

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Just kidding Multi. Slow 'er down, buddy.

[Duster]

Not hardly..full speed ahead... You better believe that list will be in my wallet also.

[gwhilikerz]

No don't slow 'er down multi. if these clubs want to dance they better be ready to pay the piper. The local clubs are not going to see any fallout, they are pretty much a good ole boys club anyway.But statewide and national groups like Hunters for the Hungry who should never be involved in this have made a lot of hunters angry by their actions. Are they going to turn down that deer from the xbow hunter?
buckfever that would be the "Give the elitist loudmouths their private playground back" campaign.

[Multidigits]

Flash! The meeting has been caracterized by a reliable source as a "railrod job" See the details in the other thread under J.R.

[buckfever]

No don't slow 'er down multi. if these clubs want to dance they better be ready to pay the piper. The local clubs are not going to see any fallout, they are pretty much a good ole boys club anyway.But statewide and national groups like Hunters for the Hungry who should never be involved in this have made a lot of hunters angry by their actions. Are they going to turn down that deer from the xbow hunter?
buckfever that would be the "Give the elitist loudmouths their private playground back" campaign.


Gwhillie - Can you name one person (other than yourself and what's been posted on here) who has told you that they are upset with HFTH's actions about the xbow issue? I'll bet you don't know if even a handful of hunters are upset, let alone "a lot of hunters."

By the way, Multi, you might want to (a) read things a little more closely; and (b) talk to the organizations themselves before you spout off about any official stance they took.

[shogan]

I'm upset I don't think HFTH have any business as an organization standing against this issue. HFTH is about collecting deer meat to feed people.

This use to be a nobel cause like the U.N. was a good idea. But any organization that strays from it's purpose and starts to use it's weight for personal gain (SUCH AS THIS) has made an error.

[Multidigits]

Gwhillie - Can you name one person (other than yourself and what's been posted on here) who has told you that they are upset with HFTH's actions about the xbow issue? I'll bet you don't know if even a handful of hunters are upset, let alone "a lot of hunters."

By the way, Multi, you might want to (a) read things a little more closely; and (b) talk to the organizations themselves before you spout off about any official stance they took.

Yeah, I'm getting the real story now of what happen in the QUOTE - "RAILROAD JOB"

Just goes to show you can't believe everything you find on the Internet.

As for the HFH program, they have no stance on the crossbow issue and J.R. lied again saying they did.

[buckfever]

And I can't believe that you guys would even consider boycotting these sportsmen's organizations simply because they disagree with you about a particular issue.

After all, aren't we all hunters who need to stick together (to stop the anti-hunters from tearing us apart) even though we might disagree about some things within our ranks?

And I'm sure you guys noticed that a lot of those organizations listed aren't UBK chapters.

[buckfever]

I'm upset I don't think HFTH have any business as an organization standing against this issue. HFTH is about collecting deer meat to feed people.

This use to be a nobel cause like the U.N. was a good idea. But any organization that strays from it's purpose and starts to use it's weight for personal gain (SUCH AS THIS) has made an error.


I think you'll find that Multi is wrong about HFH's position. And, nobody's lied about anything.

[Multidigits]

And I can't believe that you guys would even consider boycotting these sportsmen's organizations simply because they disagree with you about a particular issue.

After all, aren't we all hunters who need to stick together (to stop the anti-hunters from tearing us apart) even though we might disagree about some things within our ranks?

And I'm sure you guys noticed that a lot of those organizations listed aren't UBK chapters.

20,000 comedians out of work and your trying to be a funny guy. Don't quit your day job.

"And I'm sure you guys noticed that a lot of those organizations listed aren't UBK chapters" What's better is they aren't LKS clubs either and had no business voting in a Federation meeting. Now that's real funny too isn't it??? :D

[buckfever]

20,000 comedians out of work and your trying to be a funny guy. Don't quit your day job.

"And I'm sure you guys noticed that a lot of those organizations listed aren't UBK chapters" What's better is they aren't LKS clubs either and had no business voting in a Federation meeting. Now that's real funny too isn't it??? :D


Which clubs are you referring to? As far as I've been made aware, every club you listed is a member of the League.

And you need not worry about seeing me over at the Funny Farm. I certainly can't quit my day job. I've got way too much on my plate at the office to think about getting into some other line of work.

[twofeathers]

And I can't believe that you guys would even consider boycotting these sportsmen's organizations simply because they disagree with you about a particular issue.


I for one am more than happy for the crossbow passage. I don't gun hunt at all so now I have another weapon that I can harvest animals with.

Yes, I would boycott someone thats boycotts something that I am in favor of !!

[Multidigits]

Which clubs are you referring to? As far as I've been made aware, every club you listed is a member of the League.

And you need not worry about seeing me over at the Funny Farm. I certainly can't quit my day job. I've got way too much on my plate at the office to think about getting into some other line of work.

As you said yourself....as far as you've been made aware of :D

[Duster]

And I can't believe that you guys would even consider boycotting these sportsmen's organizations simply because they disagree with you about a particular issue.

After all, aren't we all hunters who need to stick together (to stop the anti-hunters from tearing us apart) even though we might disagree about some things within our ranks?


You are funny as heck.... This is a April's fools joke correct ?......

[Multidigits]

Looks like this is coming back around. The original letter posted by J. R. has now been labeled as incorrect. We'll hold the phone while the new letter gets posted, if it does.

All of these clubs did not vote as originally posted. We'll continue to post the truth when we find it out. Stay tuned.

[gwhilikerz]

Here is what was posted. Smooth move to go back and edit AFTER the falsehoods have been presented.
http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif J.R. Radcliff
From J. R. Radcliff, 3rd district President

On March 23, 2005 the 3rd District Federation of the League of Kentucky Sportsmen passed a unanimous motion “that our vote of the crossbow issue be shared with the other federation members and also the conservation organizations that are affiliated with the League of Kentucky Sportsmen”.

In that regard, the 3rd District had voted moments before on the following motion. “The 3rd District opposes the crossbow season change passed on March 4, 2005 and that we will do this in writing in person at the meeting on April 22, 2005 at the Department of Fish and Wildlife.”

The vote passed 70 to 2 in favor of opposing the crossbow season changes. The clubs present at this meeting represent a broad interest of sportsmen and women. The following clubs were in attendance.

Clubs in attendance Harrods Creek, Ky. Fur-takers, Electricians Rod & Hunting, Jefferson C. Sportsmen’s Club, Fern Creek Sportsmen, Lill Kentucky Muzzleloaders, Quial Unlimited (Jefferson Co.), Ohio River Bow Hunters, Two Bucks, Lesco Bow Hunting Club, Derby City NWTF, Chickasaw Archery, Central Ky. Bow Hunters, Dogwood Drummer’s Chapter on NWTF, Eddie Oiozco NWTF, Meade Co. Sportsmen,

These two clubs were none voting clubs, Safari Club International (State Wide), Ky. Hunters for the Hungry

The 3rd District Fish and Wildlife Commissioner, Allen Gailor, was also present to give his reasons for voting for the changes in the crossbow season.

There were many reasons that the majority of those present voted to oppose the crossbow seasons. One of the biggest objections centered around the process that lead to the commissioners vote. We felt the process was flawed. The three-year-old statewide hunters survey that was used to support the crossbow changes had 44 questions, and only one related to the crossbow issue. The 3rd District felt that the question in the survey was vague and ambiguous. The question read, “What do you think about the use of crossbows during archery season?” It did not ask about the use of crossbows for deer and turkey, and it certainly did not ask about the use of crossbow during the entire archery season.

The 3rd District Federation of the League also felt that the commissioner’s agenda for the Department of Fish and Wildlife resources meeting on March 4 was misleading, The agenda listed “Crossbow survey” and did not say anything abut a change in the crossbow season. This is not the proper procedure for a season change that would make Kentucky’s crossbow season for deer and turkey the longest in the nation at 136 days.

Many of the members at the meeting were upset that Commissioner Gailor would not reveal who on the department staff sponsored or promoted this crossbow season change. He was respectfully asked repeatedly and never gave an answer.

Members were also upset that there is no hard biological evidence that the crossbow season change would not have a negative impact on our deer and turkey. There is no way to accurately forcast the biological inpact of the 136 day season, because no one knows how many hunters will take up this crossbow as a result of these proposed season changes.

Many of the turkey hunters present questioned the department’s use of the state of Ohio’s crossbow statistics. Ohio has a one-turkey limit on fall turkeys and only 2/5 of the state is open. Since the fall gun season opens before the crossbow season and it is a one-bird limit it is obvious that most turkey hunters I Ohio would have already harvested their bird with a gun.

Kentucky is an entirely different situation. This proposed crossbow season change would allow the use of crossbows, which resemble a gun, for 136 days of turkey hunting. No one knows how many crossbow hunters we will have if this measure stands, and it will be the longest crossbow turkey season in the nation.

Members and conservation clubs were also upset that a change this sweeping was not taken to the Wildlife Districts in the stat for study and imput. It was done in a hurried fashion, as evidenced by the Wild Turkey Federation Kentucky State Chapter President, Joe Broughton’s, request at the commissioners meeting for the measure to be tabled. He did this so the 24,000, member organization could study and discuss it. That respectful request from one of the states largest conservation organizations was denied. All other archery clubs and sportsman’s clubs of the state had little or no time to contact their membership for general input before this measure was rammed through by the commissioners who voted in favor of it.

We also had a concern that a 136-day crossbow season for deer will have a negative impact on buck-to-doe ratios. Deer herd statistical data from the other states with crossbow seasons indicate that crossbow harvest is slanted towards bucks and we are just now starting to balance our buck-to –doe ratios in the state of Kentucky.

We are sharing this information with you as a mandate from our membership in the 3re District, the most populated district in the state We currently enjoy top ranking stastus for deer and turkey hunting in the U.S. We do not need to follow the lead of less successful states in ill-advised changes like these. We hope you find it useful.



Respectfully


J.R. Radcliff
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Last edited by Birdman : Today at 04:11 PM.

[shogan]

The vote passed 70 to 2 in favor of opposing the crossbow season changes. The clubs present at this meeting represent a broad interest of sportsmen and women. The following clubs were in attendance.

One of the biggest objections centered around the process that lead to the commissioners vote. We felt the process was flawed.
The question read, “What do you think about the use of crossbows during archery season?” It did not ask about the use of crossbows for deer and turkey, and it certainly did not ask about the use of crossbow during the entire archery season.
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I'm sorry what don't you understad about the the question "What do you think about the use of crossbows during archery season" I guess you like the fact preparation H states that it's to be used in your RECTUM and not to be swallowed.


You said Yadda yadda,[/i] You know the use of a scope on guns has a higher impact on the populations then any archery equipment ever will.

And finally I'd like to get 1 turkey in my life. I can only hope that 1 crosses my path and I'm lucky enough to get a shot but they always see me up in the stand. But that is why they have LIMITS. Don't worry with or with out a crossbow the turkey are safe. If you want to save the turkey population go kill a coyote.

[gwhilikerz]

shogan i think you should go back and edit your post. 2 of the three posts you have me quoted I didn't post. The qoutes are not mine. I have never before this moment ever said "Yadda Yadda" and here i was ready to recommend you for Bennett's job:D
Seriously, I must be in the twilight zone. I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

[shogan]

Yadda Yadda was my brief recapulation of what was being stated in the article(long winded and unimpressive as it was). Actually I don't guess any of the words are yours so in fact You was not referring to you specically but the Writer. Since your are merely poster and not ipso facto the author of the article I guess I can take the reference to your name out.


As far as what Im talking about well I like to use analogies though few folks on here like them.

Not knowing that the question Do you like the idea using crossbows during archery season pertains specifically to deer and turkey is like not knowing preparation H is to be shuved in your bum and not your mouth and requiring it to be specifically stated on the front of the box is as needed to most folks as stating deer and turkey follwing the words archery season.

If you want me to go into yadda yadda well it basically states that beyond their first lame argument all they did was piss in the wind and complain about to many people in the woods and might hurt populations. I drive down the road and see litterally 100's of turkeys in a feild at once.

[maxcam]

First I would like to ask you how you know these clubs are against the proposed extended season? And secondly Multidigit can you tell me the number one contributor to the KHFH program?

[deerhunter401]

Multidigits doesnt have a clue, he needs to get a life and stop posting BS on this site, he is ruining kentuckyhunting.net. Growup multipersonalities


Yeah He's Ruining This Website :rolleyes: . WOW DUDE YOU REALLY ARE A F***ING D**K HEAD AND YOU TELL HIM TO GROW UP

[deerhunter401]

trust me multi and i have had our problems on here but i dont act like a f**k wad about it. i just let it go. grow up ya f***en baby

[Multidigits]

First I would like to ask you how you know these clubs are against the proposed extended season? And secondly Multidigit can you tell me the number one contributor to the KHFH program?

No, but it's not the UBK. The KYDFWR gave $25,000 last year.

[shogan]

Fellows clean it up. Start with removing the extremely vulgar names, words and statements that have been posted.

Lets remember our sponsor is kind enough to provide this site to us and we don't need to smear the sight with such filth.

[deerhunter401]

yep sorry shogan i'll clean it up

[schuyler olt]

Once again, misinformation reigns supreme.

That was a list of the clubs in attendance.

To show you just how asinine this is getting, Safari Club's representative was Mike Ohlman, and he's president of KHFH.

Now. If you'd like to hear the real story of this meeting from someone who was there, just call me. I'm listed in the book.

[Multidigits]

The rest of the story is that HFH and The Sarfari Club didn't vote as a club.

And some of the clubs listed are not LKS affilates. Now tell me how they can vote to draft a resolution to influence the other districts if they don't even belong to the League????

[kevhunter]

Well, I was going to either watch Blue Collar Tv or read this stuff, this stuff is hilarious. Grown men fussing about what other grown men kill a deer with. Its funny stuff. You guys crack me up.

[maxcam]

The letter only stated that those were the clubs that attended the meeting. By the way Multi did you attend the 3rd district meeting by chance? I did. And while not everyone voted at the meeting, everyone was allowed to speak for and against the issue. And incase you are wondering there were two votes taken. One with league members and one without. The vote was 70-2 by league members. And the vote by all that attended was 74-6. Either way it was decisive in opposition. The fact that Kent Cooper did not want the results to be sent to the State Leagues office is of great concern to me though. The reason all clubs in attendance were listed was to show the diversity of groups that attended. As you can see they are not all bowhunting clubs. Unlike the crossbow survey, everyones voice was heard.

[maxcam]

No, but it's not the UBK. The KYDFWR gave $25,000 last year.

I would expect such an answer Multi......Try the sportsmen and women of Kentucky.............How much did the United Crossbow Hunters of Kentucky donate? Or better yet how much did any crossbow organization donate to any organization in the state of Kentucky?

[Multidigits]

The letter only stated that those were the clubs that attended the meeting. By the way Multi did you attend the 3rd district meeting by chance? I did. And while not everyone voted at the meeting, everyone was allowed to speak for and against the issue. And incase you are wondering there were two votes taken. One with league members and one without. The vote was 70-2 by league members. And the vote by all that attended was 74-6. Either way it was decisive in opposition. The fact that Kent Cooper did not want the results to be sent to the State Leagues office is of great concern to me though. The reason all clubs in attendance were listed was to show the diversity of groups that attended. As you can see they are not all bowhunting clubs. Unlike the crossbow survey, everyones voice was heard.

Kent Cooper did his job. He knew the vote did not asnd could not effect any Federation other than the 3rd. The vote was bogus. Not all clubs voting are LKS clubs. Some are Federation clubs but not LKS clubs. Some voters represented clubs without official authorization from the club itself. I'm sure that before this is over, that the truth about that meeting will be well known throughout. As it should be. But for you to say that Kent did something improper is completely false. He was one of the few who did the correct thing.

[Multidigits]

I would expect such an answer Multi......Try the sportsmen and women of Kentucky.............How much did the United Crossbow Hunters of Kentucky donate? Or better yet how much did any crossbow organization donate to any organization in the state of Kentucky?

The UCBK was not organized last year. And the answer given was correct for the question asked.

[aceoky]

Well, I was going to either watch Blue Collar Tv or read this stuff, this stuff is hilarious. Grown men fussing about what other grown men kill a deer with. Its funny stuff. You guys crack me up.

That's great! We are all here to entertain!

:D

BUT; IF we start taking VOTES on Hunting in KY; it will soon be NO bowhuning with ALL other forms soon to follow; I'm curious as to why that's "funny" ???? A study was done; FACTS/DATA were gathered; a decision was made; some like it others do not; that's NO reason IMHO to decide our entire process is "lacking", and we'd be better served by politicians????

IF that happens then we'll all be wishing we left "well enough alone"; but some just can't seem to grasp the reality of that ; or that we are ALL HUNTERS; and should be united.....

[kevhunter]

That's great! We are all here to entertain!

:D

BUT; IF we start taking VOTES on Hunting in KY; it will soon be NO bowhuning with ALL other forms soon to follow; I'm curious as to why that's "funny" ???? A study was done; FACTS/DATA were gathered; a decision was made; some like it others do not; that's NO reason IMHO to decide our entire process is "lacking", and we'd be better served by politicians????

IF that happens then we'll all be wishing we left "well enough alone"; but some just can't seem to grasp the reality of that ; or that we are ALL HUNTERS; and should be united.....
I misunderstood, I thought you guys were arguing about using crossbows during bow season not the abolishment of bowhunting and all other forms of hunting. That is the "funny" part, run chicken little the sky is falling. Like you said a decision was made and some people just cant deal with someone else using a crossbow to bowhunt with, and too me that is very funny.