Attn. Xtreme

[Multidigits]

Here's your survey, have fun with it. Keep in mind that on the first question, that some don't call what they do baiting, and that some are in denial that it's actually baiting verses feeding deer. We don't have baiting by truck loads of turnips or vegies like happens up north in a lot of places:


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[buckfever]

Here's your survey, have fun with it. Keep in mind that on the first question, that some don't call what they do baiting, and that some are in denial that it's actually baiting verses feeding deer. We don't have baiting by truck loads of turnips or vegies like happens up north in a lot of places:


Are you telling me that the first question is ambiguous? In a thorough, scientific poll conducted by F&W? Good thing that lone crossbow question is so crystal clear. Lord knows that nobody else could think of any better questions.

[Multidigits]

I'm not telling you anything, your not Xtreme. As for the questions they speak for themselves. The crossbow is a well recognized tool used for hunting(now days). A "bait" can be many things from food plots to large piles of fruit and veggies to a corn pile. some call it baiting, some call it feeding. Doesn't matter here anyway, because both of you want to discredit the survey. It won't work. The survey was taken by F & W employees, is used by F & W employees, and respected by the Commission. Just because you have an issue with doesn't mean a lot.

The first question asks do you HUNT OVER bait. I'm sure a lot bait, but we often see most say they don't directly hunt over it. Might help explain the low numbers?

The second question is worded better. Most probably answered honestly on that and it shows in the response.

The last question is pretty clear. Hard to misunderstand that one.

[aceoky]

I would have though more hunters would admit to hunting over acorns(they are bait??? for some reason the deer "flock to 'em") :D

[buckfever]

The last question is pretty clear. Hard to misunderstand that one.

Yep. . .Right-O, Daddi-O.

2002 Hunter Survey: "What do you think of the use of crossbows during archery season"

Bow and Rifle Deer Hunter: "Hmm. . . Let's see, since the crossbow season already falls within the archery season but after the gun season, I'll just vote in favor of it. That way, I'm voting to keep the seasons right where they're at. I don't know. If I vote against it, it would mean that I want a crossbow season that fell either before or after the archery season. I certainly don't want that, so I'd better vote for it."

Frog Hunter: "Who cares? I'll vote for it."

Fall Turkey BowHunter: "Who cares? This is in the "deer section" of the survey, so it's not going to affect my turkeys one way or the other. Anyway, I'd prefer to keep all the deer hunting seasons closer together. I certainly don't want a bunch of crossbow hunters in the woods in August, which is what will happen if they don't leave the crossbow season during the archery season. I don't want a bunch of xbowers out there screwing up my early season turkey patterns. I'd better vote for it."

Hunter who hadn't deer or turkey hunted in 5 years: "Who cares? Sure, I'll vote for it. More power to the William Tell's of the world. Or was that William Penn?"

[Al]

That Buckfever must be effecting your mind with that kind of logic.

[buckfever]

That Buckfever must be effecting your mind with that kind of logic.

It's actually "affecting". See, the buckfever hasn't fully taken over my brain yet. Lol. But seriously, why did they ask such a bizarre, vague question? It would have been so much easier to get a direct answer by asking a simple direct question?

Hey, I'm not a survey expert, but I can think of bunch of better questions which would've been much better. Here's one:

"Would you be in favor of a new regulation that allowed hunters to use crossbows across the entire fall deer archery season?"

See, that's not so bad, is it? Tells people exactly how the season will change and which animal season we're talking about.

And the crossbow question wasn't the only bad question. On the other hand, I thought there were some good ones:

Fairly good question: "Would you support a split modern firearms season for deer in Zone 1 and 2 counties as an effort to increase the statewide antlerless deer harvest? (9 days in November and 9 days in December)."

Why? Tells the respondents what they're contemplating and the reasons for it.

Poor question: "What is your preference for the opening day of spring turkey season?"

Why? It's a loaded question b/c the Spring season opened on April 15 not on any particular day of the week. We all know that the vote would overwhelmingly be for a Saturday opener (b/c people work), so why ask the question in the first place? It presumes that people want the season to open on some arbitrary day as opposed to what's best for the resource or simply to remain where it is. In this case, the Ky biologists had stated that April 15th was the appropriate date b/c the peak breeding occurred prior to that date. Here, the Dept was simply trying to misconstrue the survey results to support their season change. If they wanted the opener on a Saturday, why not simply ask: "Would you favor moving the Spring Turkey Season opener from April 15th to the second Saturday in April?"

And please don't tell me that the margin of error is only 2% or whatever. The error rate has nothing to do with the way in which people interpret questions or whether their responses actually mean anything. It only tells you that if you polled a finite group of people, you can extrapolate their answers out and you would get the same answers (in percentage rates) from a larger population (+ or - the error rate).

[Xtreme]

Thanks for posting this Tom. This is interesting indeed.

[Multidigits]

Yep. . .Right-O, Daddi-O.

2002 Hunter Survey: "What do you think of the use of crossbows during archery season"

Bow and Rifle Deer Hunter: "Hmm. . . Let's see, since the crossbow season already falls within the archery season but after the gun season, I'll just vote in favor of it. That way, I'm voting to keep the seasons right where they're at. I don't know. If I vote against it, it would mean that I want a crossbow season that fell either before or after the archery season. I certainly don't want that, so I'd better vote for it."

Frog Hunter: "Who cares? I'll vote for it."

Fall Turkey BowHunter: "Who cares? This is in the "deer section" of the survey, so it's not going to affect my turkeys one way or the other. Anyway, I'd prefer to keep all the deer hunting seasons closer together. I certainly don't want a bunch of crossbow hunters in the woods in August, which is what will happen if they don't leave the crossbow season during the archery season. I don't want a bunch of xbowers out there screwing up my early season turkey patterns. I'd better vote for it."

Hunter who hadn't deer or turkey hunted in 5 years: "Who cares? Sure, I'll vote for it. More power to the William Tell's of the world. Or was that William Penn?"

Your twisted reasoning sums it up pretty well. The majority don't care one way or the other because they know it's a non-factor in theri hunting. Only the elitist have a problem with it.

Folks, Buckfever is one of those guys thats know as a butt kisser. He sucks up to Tom Bennett and then wants to blast his Dept. for misconstruing a survey to screw over the hunters of the state. Raise your hand if you can see through his mask. Anyway, It ought to be interesting to watch you get shot down again for attacking a survey that the panel will support 100%. http://forum.gon.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif

[buckfever]

Your twisted reasoning sums it up pretty well. The majority don't care one way or the other because they know it's a non-factor in theri hunting. Only the elitist have a problem with it.

Folks, Buckfever is one of those guys thats know as a butt kisser. He sucks up to Tom Bennett and then wants to blast his Dept. for misconstruing a survey to screw over the hunters of the state. Raise your hand if you can see through his mask. Anyway, It ought to be interesting to watch you get shot down again for attacking a survey that the panel will support 100%. http://forum.gon.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif

I consider Tom Benett to be a friend that I enjoy talking to and hunting with. And yes, I don't like his position here. I don't believe that the survey results accurately reflect public support or opposition for the proposed crossbow season changes or that the Dept thought this particular proposal through. Just because I disagree with them on one issue, however, doesn't necessarily mean that I've become a Dept-hater. It is not an all or nothing proposition, and at the end of the day, I'll still be Tom's friend.

I don't believe I've ever "sucked up" to Tom about anything. And if you're going to insult people, at least get it right. If I sucked up to him and then blasted him behind his back, that would make me a hypocrite or a backstabber, not a "butt kisser".

Conely, you're a rare breed that thrives on controversy, negativity and creating enemies. Since you're too physically frail and weak to be a real bully, you opted for the next best thing - a cyber-bully. If you don't get your crossbow season at the end of the day, you only have yourself to blame. You did your part from very early on. And you knew you had your votes lined up, but that wasn't good enough for you. You couldn't stop. You just couldn't help youself. Your dislike of a few people just made you stir that stick in the hornet's nest. Your single-handed need to rub the noses of Walt, UBK and others in your shallow victory may come back to haunt you in the end.

[MD501]

buck fever after reading all your post i had come to a negative conclusion about you and your post but after reading that you admitted to being tom bennets friend and hunting companion i realized that you are indeed a bigger man than i will ever be some things just dont need to be said in public

[Multidigits]

I consider Tom Benett to be a friend that I enjoy talking to and hunting with. And yes, I don't like his position here. I don't believe that the survey results accurately reflect public support or opposition for the proposed crossbow season changes or that the Dept thought this particular proposal through. Just because I disagree with them on one issue, however, doesn't necessarily mean that I've become a Dept-hater. It is not an all or nothing proposition, and at the end of the day, I'll still be Tom's friend.

I don't believe I've ever "sucked up" to Tom about anything. And if you're going to insult people, at least get it right. If I sucked up to him and then blasted him behind his back, that would make me a hypocrite or a backstabber, not a "butt kisser".

Conely, you're a rare breed that thrives on controversy, negativity and creating enemies. Since you're too physically frail and weak to be a real bully, you opted for the next best thing - a cyber-bully. If you don't get your crossbow season at the end of the day, you only have yourself to blame. You did your part from very early on. And you knew you had your votes lined up, but that wasn't good enough for you. You couldn't stop. You just couldn't help youself. Your dislike of a few people just made you stir that stick in the hornet's nest. Your single-handed need to rub the noses of Walt, UBK and others in your shallow victory may come back to haunt you in the end.

What ever. but your wrong again as always. It's a given fact that sooner or later Ky. will be with the other Southern states that have a crossbow/archery season. It has to happen. If not this year, then it'll hapeen the next year or the year after. There's no way around it. Glen Petri understands it, so does others like Rick Hahn. Walt and yourself choose early on to make this a personal fight. Both of you threw the first stones, now when it gets rough, you both wanted me to back off. Won't happen, it's not my style. End the end, it'll be the UBK and certain persons with the NWTF that get remembered, not what I've done. And you were the origianl liar that asaid you didn't care one way or the other. Now your working daily to iverturn something you don't care about? Funny. And a lie. Pat your self on the back and then call Tom and ask him up to make it up to him. That's a classic. As for the appeal going to the LRC, that's fine. Think any of the sitting Commissioners don't have political allies???

[Walt K]

[QUOTE] Multidigits - "It's a given fact that sooner or later Ky. will be with the other Southern states that have a crossbow/archery season."

Yep..then the other 45 states that don't allow it can say..'look at those dumb hillybilly rednecks..they don't understand the art of hunting..they think it should be easy and just kill game with anything and everything..next thing you know, the gun hunters will say..more hunting opportunity? heck, let's just open it wide open and use any weapon..it's only one buck..what's it matter..let's just have a free for all with no regulations..'

Guess it makes ya proud that Kentucky is going to be a pioneer in the "anything goes" for hunting state.

[DUOGLIDE]

in all reality since there is a set # of deer that we can legally harvest (based on tags purchased) and a pre determined time limit(days of season) but only a one buck limit what does it really matter what we use to harvest them with. as it stands know we could have a bowhunter, a xbow hunter, a squirrel hunter, a rabbit hunter, a coyote hunter, a trapper, a grouse hunter, and a whole lot more folks out in the field at the same time and they will all have a weapon of choice in their possession for the game they are pursuing someone explain it to me so that i can understand the problem

[Multidigits]

[QUOTE] Multidigits - "It's a given fact that sooner or later Ky. will be with the other Southern states that have a crossbow/archery season."

Yep..then the other 45 states that don't allow it can say..'look at those dumb hillybilly rednecks..they don't understand the art of hunting..they think it should be easy and just kill game with anything and everything..next thing you know, the gun hunters will say..more hunting opportunity? heck, let's just open it wide open and use any weapon..it's only one buck..what's it matter..let's just have a free for all with no regulations..'

Guess it makes ya proud that Kentucky is going to be a pioneer in the "anything goes" for hunting state.

Good walt, Kentuckians are dumb rednecks. Where are you from Walt??? as for pioneer, you need to check your facts again. I love it when you make yourself look like the idiot you are.

[Willie]

in all reality since there is a set # of deer that we can legally harvest (based on tags purchased) and a pre determined time limit(days of season) but only a one buck limit what does it really matter what we use to harvest them with. as it stands know we could have a bowhunter, a xbow hunter, a squirrel hunter, a rabbit hunter, a coyote hunter, a trapper, a grouse hunter, and a whole lot more folks out in the field at the same time and they will all have a weapon of choice in their possession for the game they are pursuing someone explain it to me so that i can understand the problem


Good question... I'm afraid the anti-crossbow people really don'tl have a good answer though..

[Al]

The antis have very few answers , and no "good" ones. They simply express alot of emotion. And behind that emotion is selfishness. They want the woods to themselves in the early season. Ive heard them bitch about hikers and horse riders and scouting gun hunters in "their" woods for years.

[globemountain]

Man....I wish everybody would just grow up. We should just be glad there are more oportunities for people to get out and hunt. Why should those of us shooting the latest compound bows with 80% letoff and release aids be intimidated by a crossbow! There is more to this life than worrying about if our neighbor has an advantage because he is hunting with a crossbow or not. It hasn't hurt Ohio any.....I'm sure KY. will be fine.

[gwhilikerz]

Well said globemountain. and welcome to the forum!

[buckfever]

What ever. but your wrong again as always. It's a given fact that sooner or later Ky. will be with the other Southern states that have a crossbow/archery season. It has to happen. If not this year, then it'll hapeen the next year or the year after. There's no way around it. Glen Petri understands it, so does others like Rick Hahn. Walt and yourself choose early on to make this a personal fight. Both of you threw the first stones, now when it gets rough, you both wanted me to back off. Won't happen, it's not my style. End the end, it'll be the UBK and certain persons with the NWTF that get remembered, not what I've done. And you were the origianl liar that asaid you didn't care one way or the other. Now your working daily to iverturn something you don't care about? Funny. And a lie. Pat your self on the back and then call Tom and ask him up to make it up to him. That's a classic. As for the appeal going to the LRC, that's fine. Think any of the sitting Commissioners don't have political allies???


Conely - Let's talk about liars. You've now branded me a liar on 4 or 5 occasions for saying that I didn't care about xbows one way or another and then deciding that I didn't want them. You also claimed that I've made some sort of personal attack on you regarding xbows. When and Where? I haven't mentioned your name once. I tried to put personal issues to rest, but you wouldn't have it. So let's discuss your lies. . .Here's a couple of posts of yours:
2/9/05 - "Since this surfaced last week, I've been accused of several things, including being on the take with the x-bow makers. Quite frankly, I'm still waiting for those x-bows to strat coming in the mail or by the brown truck. I'm disappointed that I have to hear that crap, but it doesn't surprise me."

3/11/05 - "Any of you guys decide to hit up on a crossbow and you are a club member, PM on what you want and I'll get you a price on a new unit or pkg. Brands are about anything you want. . . . I wish I could give them away, but my wife won't let me!"

You're obviously not "waiting" any longer "for those x-bows to start coming in the mail." Yeah, go ahead and tell us that you didn't have this lined up before the March 4th vote, and how disappointed you are in having to listen to this "crap". I'm sure it is about "opportunity". . .Financial opportunity.

[Al]

Speaking of financial opportunity I wonder if anybody is profiting from the archery in schools program?
I think we need a crossbows in schools program for all the physically challenged children. No child should be left behind.

[Multidigits]

Speaking of financial opportunity I wonder if anybody is profiting from the archery in schools program?
I think we need a crossbows in schools program for all the physically challenged children. No child should be left behind.

Good point.....but we are in the Commerce Dept. so I'm not sure that it's frowned on to make some money on a program or two.

[Multidigits]

[QUOTE=buckfever]Conely - Let's talk about liars. You've now branded me a liar on 4 or 5 occasions for saying that I didn't care about xbows one way or another and then deciding that I didn't want them. Rodgers, it's easily proven in the archieves of this site where you said it. But we knew then you didn't mean it.....was it a lie--obviously!

You also claimed that I've made some sort of personal attack on you regarding xbows. When and Where? They are well doucumented, and irrelevant. You can hunt them up if you want, I have better things to do. I haven't mentioned your name once. I tried to put personal issues to rest, but you wouldn't have it. So let's discuss your lies. . .Here's a couple of posts of yours:
2/9/05 - "Since this surfaced last week, I've been accused of several things, including being on the take with the x-bow makers. Quite frankly, I'm still waiting for those x-bows to strat coming in the mail or by the brown truck. I'm disappointed that I have to hear that crap, but it doesn't surprise me." One of the lies that will be disputed is that several of the manufacturers have attempted to buy off certain individuals. In particular, Dr. Webb by sending him a crossbow. Others have alleged that I too have had crossbow support and freebies delivered from the manufacturers. I hope when this hits the Commssion that the accusers can show proof. Because I will have proot to show that it didn't happen. The same tactic was used in Alabama and didn't work there either.

3/11/05 - "Any of you guys decide to hit up on a crossbow and you are a club member, PM on what you want and I'll get you a price on a new unit or pkg. Brands are about anything you want. . . . I wish I could give them away, but my wife won't let me!" I appreciate the show of support we've had with the new club. Club members can buy crossbows at reduced prices for a limited time. I'll even sell one to you at an inflated price. That's business.

You're obviously not "waiting" any longer "for those x-bows to start coming in the mail." Yeah, go ahead and tell us that you didn't have this lined up before the March 4th vote, and how disappointed you are in having to listen to this "crap". I'm sure it is about "opportunity". . .Financial opportunity. Everybody has a racket. Some some archery gear and firearms to make a few dollars, others claim to be a lawyer. One's a legit business the other......well we won't go there. See you at the appeal. :D

[Multidigits]

Looks like Rodgers wants to make an issue of why I'm in the fight for crossbow oppurtunity. I'll say I don't owe him any explanation but will say that I've sold sporting goods as a side line business while he was still sh**ing yellow. There's no telling how many archery outfits I've put in the hands of new shooters. Most of them back when archery was just getting started. When the L & N Railroad yard was in business, I had most all of the archery business in that shop. I sell mostly guns and supplies now, and crossbow will be a new venture. I think the financial aspect of it is something that needs to be brought out, and it will be. Thanks for your interest.

[buckfever]

I'll even sell one to you at an inflated price. That's business.

Everybody has a racket. Some some archery gear and firearms to make a few dollars, others claim to be a lawyer. One's a legit business the other......well we won't go there. See you at the appeal. :D

Yep, I see. Now, it's all about the business.

"Let's get a new crossbow season so I can make a little pocket money."

"Let's trespass on Farmer Brown's land and shoot those geese on his place. Even if we get caught, we'll just 'charge it off as another expense of hunting.'"

Did I quote that correctly, Conely? You can check. Here's your post:

"I think that 310 needs to learn some bed side manner or at least be more consistant with his power. He states that he lets trepassing slide along the river, but got us when the landowner never even complained until he called them. Oh well, that's lift. I charged it off as another expense of hunting. Lord knows I've spent thousands and a couple hundred more isn't going to break me of the habit. See ya."

[Multidigits]

Yep, I see. Now, it's all about the business.

"Let's get a new crossbow season so I can make a little pocket money."

"Let's trespass on Farmer Brown's land and shoot those geese on his place. Even if we get caught, we'll just 'charge it off as another expense of hunting.'"

Did I quote that correctly, Conely? You can check. Here's your post:

"I think that 310 needs to learn some bed side manner or at least be more consistant with his power. He states that he lets trepassing slide along the river, but got us when the landowner never even complained until he called them. Oh well, that's lift. I charged it off as another expense of hunting. Lord knows I've spent thousands and a couple hundred more isn't going to break me of the habit. See ya."

Nope it's not ALL about business, it's about what's right for the average sportsman. The same as it's not all about personal issues that you keep throwing into it. I'm past that part of it, because it won't make any difference on the appeal process to anyone. You spend your time how you want, I don't care. Over the years, I've spent hundreds of thousands on hunting--all my own money, not daddys. I'm not from rich roots and work hard for my money. I spend it on hunting and enjoy every bit of it.

[MD501]

after seeing 310's answer or lack of an answer for the question of trapping coyote's year round and his apparent enforcement of the law on his personal views. he may need to go back to the academy. they may teach bedside manner there or to at least hold your hand while they put it to you

[Multidigits]

I've made my peace with Chris. He's a good, young officer. I feel sure some of the older officers wouldn't have done what he did that day, but he was doing his job by the book. I made a mistake and trusted someone who said we could hunt a tract of land without checking it myself. It cost me some fine money. Someone show me how that's relevant to the crossbow issue and we'll discuss it. There were 4 of us cited that day, anyone want to guess if any of them are bowhunters and or members of the UBK?

[gwhilikerz]

I've made my peace with Chris. He's a good, young officer. I feel sure some of the older officers wouldn't have done what he did that day, but he was doing his job by the book. I made a mistake and trusted someone who said we could hunt a tract of land without checking it myself. It cost me some fine money. Someone show me how that's relevant to the crossbow issue and we'll discuss it. There were 4 of us cited that day, anyone want to guess if any of them are bowhunters and or members of the UBK?

multi I sure don't want to know if any of them were bowhunters or ubk members. If they were and i knew then I might be tempted to use that to attack them personally when the arguments heat up. :) Like you said , it has nothing to do with any of this xbow stuff.

[use to do that 23715]

Just think how mad the new x-bow reg made the dead beat $5.00 sportsmen. Now us reg lic sportsmen can go x-bow hunting all year too. Just think some day the comm, may let the seasions come in on a sat. and give all of us a chance. not just the dead beat $5.00 sportsmen.:eek:

[DUOGLIDE]

don't hold back doesn't it fill good to be able to say in public what you had to hold in for at least 20 years maybe more

[Dalebow]

Multi


who care who was with you, your the one running your mouth and forming a club. When you try to lead then your record becomes and issue. I could care less who was with you until they run for a position and then I would not have confindence in them the same way people should not trust you to stand up for what's right.

As for the person who asked about x-bows for the archery in the schools program why don't you donate some time like us in the UBK and see for yourself what goes on. We had a blind girl shooting at the kids tournament, Several children were in wheelchairs, it is a disabled friendly program and anyone may participate. It is there to build confindence in the children. Before you start running your hole why don't you get some facts first. I didn't see any of you losers there helping with these kids a few weeks ago. And is someone making a profit off of it? well HELL NO and you should be ashamed for once again spouting off about something you don't know anything about.
An elite bowhunter, Dale

[gwhilikerz]

Just think how mad the new x-bow reg made the dead beat $5.00 sportsmen. Now us reg lic sportsmen can go x-bow hunting all year too. Just think some day the comm, may let the seasions come in on a sat. and give all of us a chance. not just the dead beat $5.00 sportsmen.:eek:
Dead beat sportsmen? Is that what you are calling disabled and elderly hunters and fishermen? Maybe you should just crawl back under that rock.

[Dalebow]

Cyberbully

I like that a lot, the person who can hide behind a keyboard and run their mouth because if they did it in public they might get taken to the woodshed:-) Yep that's Multi

Oh yeah and Cyber bully you ask "don't we think the commish board has allies" which memebers would that be, the old fart they had to wake up to vote or Gailor who changes his mind depending on how the wind blows, who also stated in publick the majority of his calls were agains the x-bow, the same guys who voted for something even after stating that he didn't review much information because of surgery, well he should have tabled it until he put some effort in that.

As far as your contiued attacks on Walt I think your jealous because he was on Ky afield and you were not:-) No really pick on me cyberbully and let me know when ya want to talk face to face:-)

An elite bowhunter, Dale

[Multidigits]

Multi
who care who was with you, your the one running your mouth and forming a club. When you try to lead then your record becomes and issue. I could care less who was with you until they run for a position and then I would not have confindence in them the same way people should not trust you to stand up for what's right.

As for the person who asked about x-bows for the archery in the schools program why don't you donate some time like us in the UBK and see for yourself what goes on. We had a blind girl shooting at the kids tournament, Several children were in wheelchairs, it is a disabled friendly program and anyone may participate. It is there to build confindence in the children. Before you start running your hole why don't you get some facts first. I didn't see any of you losers there helping with these kids a few weeks ago. And is someone making a profit off of it? well HELL NO and you should be ashamed for once again spouting off about something you don't know anything about.
An elite bowhunter, Dale

Unless you want in the club, then it doesn't matter what you think. You want to tell me that none of the UBK members have ever had a wildlife violation? I've heard some opinions on you but I won't bring it out in public, not my style.

Just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet that I've donated a lot more money that have you towards the AIS project? Not that it matters or that anyone cares. How many other Clubs and Org. have contributed as much or more to the program then has the UBK--the group that benefits the most. As fro the program, you want to tell me that no one is making a profit on the bow packages that are used? Does Roy make any money from the program??? How about half his salary. Is the program good for hunting--who knows if any of these kids will ever buy a hunting license.

Pat yourself on your back all you want. Apparently you want praise instead of just doing it for the kids?

[Multidigits]

Cyberbully

I like that a lot, the person who can hide behind a keyboard and run their mouth because if they did it in public they might get taken to the woodshed:-) Yep that's Multi

Oh yeah and Cyber bully you ask "don't we think the commish board has allies" which memebers would that be, the old fart they had to wake up to vote or Gailor who changes his mind depending on how the wind blows, who also stated in publick the majority of his calls were agains the x-bow, the same guys who voted for something even after stating that he didn't review much information because of surgery, well he should have tabled it until he put some effort in that.

As far as your contiued attacks on Walt I think your jealous because he was on Ky afield and you were not:-) No really pick on me cyberbully and let me know when ya want to talk face to face:-)

An elite bowhunter, Dale

With your premission I'll print this one out and hand it out before the appeal process. Thanks!! Man, I finally figure out the thing with Walt. He's a TV star. that's a good one!:eek:

[gwhilikerz]

Man I do wish I could make this keyboard do the Tarzan yell. It would fit right in with dalebow's chest pounding. Must be getting kind of desperate in the anti-xbow camp if they have nothing to argue with except this "My daddy can beat up your daddy" crap.
I think these posts of his and buckfever should be presented to the commissioners so they will know how those who are asking for a reversal of their decision really feel about them.

[Multidigits]

Man I do wish I could make this keyboard do the Tarzan yell. It would fit right in with dalebow's chest pounding. Must be getting kind of desperate in the anti-xbow camp if they have nothing to argue with except this "My daddy can beat up your daddy" crap.
I think these posts of his and buckfever should be presented to the commissioners so they will know how those who are asking for a reversal of their decision really feel about them.

You can count on it.

[Dalebow]

Multi

once again you read into things a make things up, I don't care how much you donate to the kids, that's great that you do, and I surely don't want praise, but I do take offense to someone running their mouth about a program that doesn't spend time with these kids or see what they are accomplishing. I am sure Mr. Grimes isn't getting rich, he has taken a job that gives kids an abiltiy to excel at something when they may not be able to do something else.

As far as what people do or don't think of me you should have figured out that I really don't care. I stand in my beliefs alone if I have to. What some old, fat, blowhard thinks of me doesn't do anything, but give me steam to keep going. Seems a lot of people don't like me, Mike, Walt, and so on. Don't care! I am not running for popularity status in this Iam just fighting for what I believe in and there will be plenty of UBK members that are for the x-bow and don't like me, again so what, when they step up to the plate and do something then I won't have to work as hard.

an elite bowhunter, Dale

[Dalebow]

Oh yeah, nothing desperate in our camp, just not having to work tomorrow and enjoying the conversation and discussion.


am elite bowhunter. Dale

[Dalebow]

Iam a spike, Iam a spike now I look like a devil deer, Cool:-)


An elite bowhunter, Dale

[Multidigits]

Multi

once again you read into things a make things up, I don't care how much you donate to the kids, that's great that you do, and I surely don't want praise, but I do take offense to someone running their mouth about a program that doesn't spend time with these kids or see what they are accomplishing. I am sure Mr. Grimes isn't getting rich, he has taken a job that gives kids an abiltiy to excel at something when they may not be able to do something else.

As far as what people do or don't think of me you should have figured out that I really don't care. I stand in my beliefs alone if I have to. What some old, fat, blowhard thinks of me doesn't do anything, but give me steam to keep going. Seems a lot of people don't like me, Mike, Walt, and so on. Don't care! I am not running for popularity status in this Iam just fighting for what I believe in and there will be plenty of UBK members that are for the x-bow and don't like me, again so what, when they step up to the plate and do something then I won't have to work as hard.

an elite bowhunter, Dale

Maybe you need to work on your people skills??? Change. Change is coming. You can accept it or be miserable for the rest of your life. Your choice. Seems that the idea that Glenn threw out there was a pretty good strat for everyone. yet you even attacked him as being a sell out. That's funny. Have a good day. i don't really see any point arguing with you, because I believe if you get up to speak, you'll do our side more good than harm. See you.

[Dalebow]

But, But you won't talk to me:-( I don't need anymore people skills, People that like me love me, people that don't hate me. See I don't follow the liberal strategy of changing to meet a need. I don't waste time with people that sorta like me. As the song goes, "Stand for something or you will fall for anything" Actually Iam not miserable at all. You guys can tote your crossbows all you want, it's not archery and never will be. Just like when I gun hunt during gun season, Iam no hunting just shooting and putting meat in the freezer. Just because something is politcally correct doesn't make it right. I don't hang out with x-bow people or even hunt with them so it really won't affect my happiness. As I said before I will help any fella drag a deer as long as it was legally taken. My remarks have been submitted in writing and have been responded to iam happy.

right now Iam real happy, I got horns, Iam a devil deer:-)

An elite, happy bowhunter, Dale

[gwhilikerz]

DaleBow did I read your post right? Are there really UBK members who are in favor of the x-bow? And are these same UBK members just lazy jerks who don't work nearly as hard as you for their club? Man you must really be a popular guy at meetings:D

[gwhilikerz]

But, But you won't talk to me:-( I don't need anymore people skills, People that like me love me, people that don't hate me. See I don't follow the liberal strategy of changing to meet a need. I don't waste time with people that sorta like me. As the song goes, "Stand for something or you will fall for anything" Actually Iam not miserable at all. You guys can tote your crossbows all you want, it's not archery and never will be. Just like when I gun hunt during gun season, Iam no hunting just shooting and putting meat in the freezer. Just because something is politcally correct doesn't make it right. I don't hang out with x-bow people or even hunt with them so it really won't affect my happiness. As I said before I will help any fella drag a deer as long as it was legally taken. My remarks have been submitted in writing and have been responded to iam happy.

right now Iam real happy, I got horns, Iam a devil deer:-)

An elite, happy bowhunter, Dale
Now gun hunters are not hunters either? Man the more you speak the more i realize that you don't have a clue. But I do applaud you for standing up for what you believe. keep it up.:)

[Multidigits]

Good job of fishing there GW! Easy as pie!

[Al]

Dalebow I think your starting to lose it. You better keep looking over your shoulder their coming to get you . Ha Ha Hee Hee Ho Ho Their coming to take you to the funny farm . Ha Ha Hee Hee Ho Ho.

[Al]

Dalebow you dont seem like the kind of person I would want teaching our children how to handle a weapon in our schools. I dont know you but when I read your posts you seem to have some anger issues. Is there a screening process used in picking the instructors?