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Xtreme
03-23-2005, 10:15 PM
If this whole xbow thing does finally come to pass and believe it or not I actually look forward to this crap ending one way or another. Anyway, I feel that with this many states allowing them the r&d should skyrocket!

First off serving wear should be a thing of the past as the string should never really touch the "rail" ...I think that is what it's called.:confused: there should be a few thousands of an inch clearance between the nock and the rail. I think this is already standard on some models but bear with me as I'm addressing the issue here from scratch.

Limbs should be high quality glass and I'm assuming Gordon would /is the manufacturer of most of them. I honestly feel that cam/eccentrics will be the way to go once serving and cable wear are a mute issue. There simply is no way a plain recurve xbow will outshoot a xbow with "hard cams". It's the same with verticle bows. As a matter of fact I should think that if one designed a xbow with at least a 22 inch stroke, hard cams and a decent trigger this would indeed be a very deadly weapon.

Cable and string longetivity really should come close to compounds as the material is on hand provided the friction and wear thing is taken care of.

Noise will be greatly diminished with the friction of the string/rail thing addressed as well as the many shock/noise dampening systems and technology available today. Simms products on the limbs as well as maybe even the stock will hush the noise up as much as possible. Also existing verticle limb technology on verticle bows could apply here as well.

To design a really superior and reliable xbow one will have to think outside of the box. The xbow of the future will hardly resemble the xbows at present. I also look for near match rifle triggers approaching the 2 pound pull category. I suspect these triggers will be like production rifle triggers and will have to be bought on the after market possibly due to liability?

And of course there will be scopes custom calibrated to weights and speeds.


Just remeber, archery is physics, be it verticle or horizontile. For every action there is a reaction.

Willie
03-24-2005, 08:08 AM
That is simply handled. Just limit the draw weight to 200# like Ohio did.

End of the worries..

What you should have worried about a LONG time ago was the techological advancements of the compound bow. The compound caught up with and passed up the crossbow.

Of course us bowhunters demanded faster and faster AND EASIER AND EASIER didn't we?

The genie is out of the bottle...

Xtreme
03-24-2005, 09:09 PM
That is simply handled. Just limit the draw weight to 200# like Ohio did.

End of the worries..

What you should have worried about a LONG time ago was the techological advancements of the compound bow. The compound caught up with and passed up the crossbow.

Of course us bowhunters demanded faster and faster AND EASIER AND EASIER didn't we?

The genie is out of the bottle...

A 200 lb xbow with hard cams and a 24 inch power stroke:eek: Throw in a good crisp three pound trigger:eek:

It would be time to get out the skillet and the grease:D

I wonder if the grain weight of bolts per pound pull could be dropped with quality string suppressors like Matthews employs? I should think a 400 fps xbow would be possible in the very near future.

Aint physics fun:)

Willie
03-24-2005, 09:46 PM
200 pounds is still 200 pounds. The power stroke is what usually gets that 200 pounds for you.

I'm not up on what "quality string suppressors like Matthews employs" are , but I do know you can't keep any kind of string silencers on a crossbow. They shoot off in no time.


Again, limit the crossbows to 200 pounds and there are no worries about 400fps.

Kansas
03-24-2005, 11:48 PM
Horton tried hard cams last year and the bow blew up. As for string silencers, they do 2 things, 1. they slow the bow down, 2. they become rockets when they fly off the string after a few shots. There is too much force for most of the dampening materials like Sims and so forth. Leather and puffs are about all you can get to stay on a string. The cables you can work with though.

digger
03-25-2005, 12:40 AM
Don't know about your state, but in Canada after you reach 500 fps, you must register tour crossbow in the fire arms registery.

Multidigits
03-25-2005, 08:02 AM
200 pounds is still 200 pounds. The power stroke is what usually gets that 200 pounds for you.

I'm not up on what "quality string suppressors like Matthews employs" are , but I do know you can't keep any kind of string silencers on a crossbow. They shoot off in no time.


Again, limit the crossbows to 200 pounds and there are no worries about 400fps.

why not just lower the weight of the bolt?

Willie
03-25-2005, 08:10 AM
why not just lower the weight of the bolt?


Believe it or not you have to worry about spine with crossbows too.. Hmmm, maybe that is because they are pieces of archery equipment..

Too light of a weight of arrows and you are doing just like a vertical bow- tearing up the equipment. Virtual dry fires every time you shoot.

Can they get 400 fps with ultra light arrows? Maybe, for about 2 or 3 shots and then KABOOM.

With most of Excaliburs bows the lowest you can go with arrow weight is 350 grains.

The 20" Gold Tip Laser II with a 100 grain head comes in at about 355 grains.

Go below 350 and you'll also void the warranty.

Kansas
03-25-2005, 08:42 AM
And don't forget, just like archery equipment, the lighter you go, the less kinetic energy you have. "Speed kills air fast." You have to hit what you ar aiming at and you have to have the force to penetrate when you make contact.

Sackcloth
03-25-2005, 04:33 PM
I saw a crossbow in Soldier of Fortune magazine that had what is called an "air deck" There was a spring loaded fork type launcher up front sort of like a NAP 1000, or a TM hunter. It was adjustable in spring tension and also had some horizontal adjustment. The arrow used a knock and there was some nock position adjustment.

The crossbow had split limbs, 22 inch power stroke, energy cams, adjustable yokes, adjustable limb pockets, and something called hydraulic silencers. It claimed a speed of 375 fps with a 425 grain arrow. The brand name was Czech and you could have it for a mere $1300.00. This was about 3 years ago.

I'll stick with my littel Excalibur Vixen which also shoots a 425 grain arrow but at a smoothe 270 fps.

Multidigits
03-25-2005, 11:15 PM
Anyone making fishing rigs for x-bows? Looks like the Ky. record book is wide open for x-bows.

http://www.unitedbowhuntersofkentucky.org/brp_records.html