View Full Version : Finn209. Legal to trap coyotes year round?
Valley Station
03-16-2005, 08:46 AM
Hunting Guide says hunting and trapping for coyotes year round. Is this an error?? Trapping license required? Can their fur be possessed and sold outside of "regular trapping season"?? If so, is it legal to set a conniber trap, that will kill other fur bearers in the off season??
Per the staff at #1 game farm road. Coyotes by hunting or trapping year round. There is no restrictions on the type of traps you may use. No bag limits. They say they are happy with this?
Valley Station
03-16-2005, 04:20 PM
Dw,
Was that head of law enforcement you talked to?? or just whoever answered
the phone at 1-800-858-1549??
I also called the local C.O. and he said that is correct. YeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaa!
foxbat21
03-16-2005, 05:48 PM
Are you guys doing damage control work or just doing it for something to do?
DUOGLIDE
03-16-2005, 06:17 PM
just because i can. if you have never trapped its kinda hard to explain the excitment in checking your traps kinda like christmas on a daily basis and now i can have christmas year round. it may be a scew up on the part of the dept of f$w but this is one screw up that i'm gonna take advantage of. and in all reality with the snares i can usually release the species that i'm not supposed to catch
Both, Some of the other trappers I know are going to do the same. As with anything else, there will be some that keep most everything they catch. Most trappers I know don't practice catch and release.
warden310
03-16-2005, 09:48 PM
You cannot set traps out of season. I'm a trapper and the hunting guide is wrong. You can set canine sets but you will catch other stuff in the traps, so it's wrong. Also you cannot possess raw fur out of season, so that's another problem.
You can shoot, with proper hunting license, year round.
warden310
03-16-2005, 09:49 PM
The only person that can trap outside of season is a nuisance wildlife operator, which requires a test and fee for permit.
Finn209
03-16-2005, 11:16 PM
Hunting Guide says hunting and trapping for coyotes year round. Is this an error?? Trapping license required? Can their fur be possessed and sold outside of "regular trapping season"?? If so, is it legal to set a conniber trap, that will kill other fur bearers in the off season??
I saw the portion of the guide that said this. But it surprised me. I'd like to check with the main office before I comment on it.
Warden310, I belive you happen to be wrong. The KAR says year round hunting and trapping on coyotes. I don't know what you are refering to being wrong in the guide. Are you saying the KAR is wrong also.
DUOGLIDE
03-17-2005, 06:57 AM
Guys i'm not here to hammer on anyone but i also talked with major hedges about trapping coyotes and he said i could trap year around. and its apparent what the guide says and i also looked up the kar and it also says i can trap coyotes year around. so my point is this if the employees of the kdfwr arnt aware of this change. how can they properly enforce the law and how can they possibly expect a dumb ol county boy like myself to abide by it hell we still dont know what it is sounds like the command staff at the kdfwr had better get on the ball.
trust me
03-17-2005, 08:27 AM
If you are getting the verbal OK from majors and such, then go with it. Truth is, most furbearers get no pressure these days, and foxes, skunks etc are more of a pest than a furbearer. I hope you can make your sets specific enough to catch coyotes and nothing else, but if you do take a couple foxes by mistake, it isn't going to hurt the population. Trapping in season or out, you have to make sure you aren't catching Little Susie's puppy dog. That never goes well.
If you pinch the toes of a few bobcats, I'd try something different. F&W are real particular about that furbearing critter. Unless you're man enough to grab him and release him from the trap unharmed. If you can do that, then ain't no game warden around that's tough enough to tell YOU what to do!:D
I have caught many of the above named critters. I had a couple of them this morning. As for setting traps to be coyote specific. I know of no way to do that. I set snares in fence rows on trails. I have had a lot of luck doing that. As far as a bobcat goes, I will treat him neo different than any other critter. I release him to the after life.
DUOGLIDE
03-17-2005, 02:14 PM
310 dw is still waiting for a answer inquiring minds want to know
Strutter
03-17-2005, 06:26 PM
I read the part in the book about coyotes being open year round for trapping and hunting but it also says to see the "species open to year round hunting" section which is on the following page. It states that, "Except as stated here, no person shall take any other wildlife species except during an open season for that species." So, taking this last statement into account, if you catch anything other than a coyote, you will in effect be poaching. That is a messed up law because as was stated before, it would be awfully hard to set a coyote only trap. Maybe you could put up a sign saying "Coyotes Only" or something like that. Be a tough call to try and trap one. May just have to shoot them to stay completely legal.
Strutter
trust me
03-17-2005, 10:35 PM
DW, what kind of cable do you use for coyote snares? How do you anchor them? Locks are still illegal, right?
Thanks for the help.
warden310
03-17-2005, 10:37 PM
Bare with me on the report back, I'm not on here that much.
I'm going to talk to Jim Lane, furbearer biologist, on Monday to make sure of the laws. It's absolutely unethical in my personal opinion, I know everyone has one, to trap outside of season. Especially snares, because they are the LEAST specific trap made. You can catch small deer, turkeys, etc.... in snares set in the fence. And I'll guarantee if you catch and kill any furbearer outside of the season you will get cited.
The hunting/fishing guides often have many errors, that's why the disclamer on the bottom says a "summary" of laws/regs.
DUOGLIDE
03-18-2005, 08:55 AM
forgive me if i misunderstand but the way i read your post a wildlife biologist is in charge of interupting the laws for the law enforcement division I THINK WE HAVE FOUND THE PROBLEM why as a officer wouldnt you ask your sgt, lt, capt, major or col this LAW ENFORCEMENT question do they even know the answer once again the dilema if the officers dont know how can we expect the general public to know
warden310
03-18-2005, 05:46 PM
Since you know the structure of the dept. so well, DUOGLIDE, I'd say you work for the same agency as I do. You should already know the answer, or maybe ask your sgt., lt., capt.
DUOGLIDE
03-18-2005, 06:26 PM
i,m self employed if you read my post you will see that i called major hedges and i reported the answer he gave me but you didnt agree with this answer so you posted differant major out ranks officer so who should i believe
What's the deal? Right or wrong, I thought you guys would have replied back. I guess your silence is the answer.
TrustMe. I have used a little of everything. From Military Surplus Booby Trap Wire to Electric Fence Wire to Flexible steel cable 8 or 9 gauge. As far as anchoring< I normally anchor the snare to the bottom of a fence. As for locking snares the hunting guide I read says only nonlocking snares are permitted.
foxbat21
03-19-2005, 05:15 PM
If you are not trapping for damage control purposes, you are wrong. The fur is worthless and you might hang protected animals.
How will you feel when you go check your "LINE" and have a deer fawn or a mommy bobcat? Just say "Yaaaa Hoooo. Those kittens are going to starve."
In responce, to Multis un-ethical remark/question, wanton waste is not on the books in KY, but would you not deem it un-ethical to shoot a deer and then just take the antlers. Legal but in my book it is un-ethical.
I'm a trapper too, by the way.
Wrong, you're opinion. My question was is it legal? How about you're OPINION on that. There, I've asked for your opinion!
foxbat21
03-19-2005, 06:12 PM
Something can be legal but ethically wrong, ie. wanton waste, if you are a sportsman, conservationist and a good guy, you would agree with me and restrict your trapping to the season. If you want to pursue yotes now, get a rifle or shotgun and learn to call. It's a lot of fun too. Go to Varmint Hunting and yell at Jimmie. That is selective control. Just as I have said in other posts, trapping is non-selective.
If you have yotes taking lambs or eating the catanlopes, I see no problem w/ it, but just because it's legal is pretty lame.
MD501
03-19-2005, 07:43 PM
if its unethical, just plain wrong, lame and wasteful why has it been made legal by the very people who are supposed to be protecting wildlife
foxbat21
03-19-2005, 08:08 PM
Most states have wanton waste laws but KY doesn't. You could shoot a deer saw off his antlers and throw the carcass in a ditch. Legal but unethical!
If the furs are worthless, why do it? unless damage is being done. Hunt them w/ firearms.
MD501
03-19-2005, 10:48 PM
wouldnt you have to telecheck it first
Yes or No! Is it legal? If you don't like the law, lobby to have it changed. Just want a answer to my question. Not a judgement or opinion on ethics.
Finn209
03-20-2005, 01:28 AM
I've got 2 opinions, both are simply my personal opinions and not law.
1. My first opinion is I'm guessing it was a simple misprint, or just not worded the best possible. Sometimes that is going to happen.
2. My other opinion is, that if my superior Maj. Hedges said you could legally do it, then you can legally do it.
Strutter
03-20-2005, 03:21 AM
Remember what I posted earlier though. It is legal to hunt and trap coyotes year round per the book the way it is written now, but, if you catch and kill any species that is in a closed season, you will be breaking the law. Will you turn yourself in or just be another poacher.
creekdawgg
03-20-2005, 04:01 AM
So since the guide has a disclamier at the bottom, then when something is posted wrong how in the heck are we supposed to know if it wrong or not. Usaullay the website guide and the printed one are the same thing, Is there a place that does have all OFFICAL RULES AND REG'S.
I always follow the guide that is published. after reading this post seems the guide is worthless in the end. So why put out a guide if it isnt officall rules and regs?
It's absolutely legal. C.O.'s check out www.lrc.state.ky.us/kar/301/002/251.htm I found this after hours of reasearch. And at the end of this Kar it says the effective date is 1-4-05. YeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Found it myself. Not a OPINION> Just the facts.
Strutter
03-20-2005, 06:43 PM
The book says it's legal but really, how are you going to set a trap that only a coyote will get caught in? All other animals have a posted season and a bag limit so how are you going to keep from harming them when they are not in season?
MD501
03-20-2005, 07:11 PM
That sounds like a question that the fish and wildlife officials should have thought about before they made this law.
All folks have is the book to go by. As far as ethics go, who has ever broken a speed limit? The book says 55, but you go 60 or 65. If you have done this you are ethically wrong according to some on here. As far as turning myself in if I break the law. Will you do the same? Think not! Get over it.
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 07:39 PM
YeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! you the man DW! hope ya fell good when ya hang a hen turkey and have to chase the poults away to get to the carcass or maybe a deer fawn.
You seem to be just like alot of miscreants in society, find a loophole and try to get away w/ anything.
YeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! you the man DW! hope ya fell good when ya hang a hen turkey and have to chase the poults away to get to the carcass or maybe a deer fawn.
You seem to be just like alot of miscreants in society, find a loophole and try to get away w/ anything.
I am following the law. Seems like your time would be better spent finding those who are not. Miscreants, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Seems I know more about the trapping laws than you do. Egg not on my face. Wonder who's face it is on? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa!
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 07:59 PM
French kissing your sister is legal too, but I'm not doing it. I guess you are because it's LEGAL!
Strutter
03-20-2005, 08:11 PM
Don't think I would have anything to get over cause I have enough common sense to know that a mistake has been made in the way this particular law/rule is written. Seems you are the only one who can't see it for what it is. An oversight, a boo boo, a misprint, a foulup or a myriad of other things it could be called. All I'm saying is that you will probably do more harm to other animals than you will to the coyote population as they are not an easy animal to trap. Not real easy to call in and shoot either. But anyway, as the book plainly states, catching, killing, harming, any other animals with a set season, while you are trying to catch a coyote is ILLEGAL. Why would you even want to take the chance. I would hope you are just havin fun with all of us.
Poorboy
03-20-2005, 08:32 PM
I guess a fellow could bait them with red fox carcasses.:eek:
Poorboy
French kissing your sister is legal too, but I'm not doing it. I guess you are because it's LEGAL!
You need help!
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 08:54 PM
No! you do. I'm not kissing my sister you are.
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 09:01 PM
DW, what do you do w/ your catch? ditch it?
Don't think I would have anything to get over cause I have enough common sense to know that a mistake has been made in the way this particular law/rule is written. Seems you are the only one who can't see it for what it is. An oversight, a boo boo, a misprint, a foulup or a myriad of other things it could be called. All I'm saying is that you will probably do more harm to other animals than you will to the coyote population as they are not an easy animal to trap. Not real easy to call in and shoot either. But anyway, as the book plainly states, catching, killing, harming, any other animals with a set season, while you are trying to catch a coyote is ILLEGAL. Why would you even want to take the chance. I would hope you are just havin fun with all of us.
Having Fun, I think not. All I did was ask a simple question. Since then everyone who should have answered it has done everything to not answer it. I had to find it myself. Personal attacks show maturity, or lack of knowledge. A misprint. If it were it would have already have been changed. This kar went in effect awhile ago. I believe commision meetings have occured since it was passed.
MD501
03-20-2005, 09:06 PM
Fox bat whats your sister look like i may be interested (just kidding )
KeeKeeRun
03-20-2005, 09:08 PM
Welcome to the forum? After reading this I wonder what it is all about. I actually joined on advice of a friend and I had a question. I have read this topic and I am not a smart man, but it reads as somebody has ruffled some feathers. The guy is doing something legal. What is your guys problem?
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 09:12 PM
If you go to page 1, you will see where I C&P straight out of the Guide, but as a sportsman,hunter and trapper all my life, I have learned to love wildlife.
What you seem to have is a hatred for wildlife. I guess you run over box turtles too.
During the season, I caught 38 coon, 6 mink, 18 fox and 19 yotes this year but I would not have set a snare where I knew I had a chance of hanging a deer just to try for a coyote.
Enough said. Adios.
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 09:14 PM
Keekeerun, Just start at page one and enjoy.
You still need help. Sinloy.
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 09:28 PM
I would like anyone to read this thread from the beginning and then tell me I'm the one "Who needs help." I'm afraid it's you, sir. Please think conservation and quick swerving for small animals when you drive.
Still need it. Check all of those traps while you were working? If you did you were severly overpaid. Good thing we have clothing stores/grocery stores/professional help.
KeeKeeRun
03-20-2005, 09:43 PM
I had a question, but I have a new one now. What is the guy called foxbat21's problem. It's legal as far as I can tell from the link posted. Also, why didn't anyone answer his question?
DUOGLIDE
03-20-2005, 09:54 PM
i'm still waiting for a dept employee to give a official answer you all may not be able to comprehend what your reading. lord knows i have trouble with the hunting guide
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 10:03 PM
It was answered. Did you start at the beginning of this thread?
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 10:05 PM
If you guys are wondering, I'm not w/ F&G.
KeeKeeRun
03-20-2005, 10:06 PM
Unfortunately yes.
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 10:07 PM
So you think it's OK too, because LEGAL?
KeeKeeRun
03-20-2005, 10:16 PM
I didn't say that. Being new and not wanting to step on anyones toes, I believe you took it to another level. Would I do it? I don't know. I don't trap anymore. If the guy wants to trap and it's legal, I don't see what the problem is. Some of your post's resemble something a animal activist would say. That is just 1 new guy's two cents worth. The thing about the guy's sister made you lose credibilty in my mind.
DUOGLIDE
03-20-2005, 10:17 PM
i read the post and posted what a major hedges told me but the officers in the field who actually enforce these laws said something differant so there seems to be some confusion. its my position that the dept needs to advise its officers when something changes (if it has changed ) from talking to hedges it seems that he sits in a office all day so he might not have a clue about what goes on in the field
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 10:27 PM
Wanton waste is legal, shoot a deer and throw it in a ditch. Just be sure to tele-check. It's wrong but legal. Kinda like kissing you sister.
DW, never has said what he plans to do w/ his spring and summer fur?
MD501
03-20-2005, 10:38 PM
you sure are hung up on kissing your sister, they probably have a name for that
Wanton waste is legal, shoot a deer and throw it in a ditch. Just be sure to tele-check. It's wrong but legal. Kinda like kissing you sister.
DW, never has said what he plans to do w/ his spring and summer fur?
Fur is still good here. As far as when it goes out. I never said I would trap year round. I can hold fur for 1 year. You still need help. I never said you were with F&W. I thought you were a higher authority since you are so easy to rule on ethics. I know you never broke a law all mighty one. Seek help.
foxbat21
03-20-2005, 10:54 PM
DW, I would love to see your fur check. What do you figure to avg. on them rubbed and singed yotes? and w/ a snare burn too!
Seek help, if not for your sake. Do it for ours.
I've read the post from the start, bottom line is there needs to be a clear and precise law written. As it stands right now, you can trap yotes 365, you can hunt them 365 during daylight hours (including sitting in a tree stand in full blaze orange with a 7mm-mag and no deer tag in deer gun season). Though someone with a shotgun can not shoot them after dark with or without lights!:confused:
I see what many are saying, it's a screwed up!
Seems like there needs to be a change.
Valley Station
03-21-2005, 09:01 AM
DW,
How can you legally hold fur in Kentucky for a one year?? Trappers may legally hold fur for 20-days after season goes out. Do you still have fur in your freezer??
DUOGLIDE
03-21-2005, 10:25 AM
has another regulation been passed and once again we know nothing of it
Multidigits
03-21-2005, 10:36 AM
DW,
How can you legally hold fur in Kentucky for a one year?? Trappers may legally hold fur for 20-days after season goes out. Do you still have fur in your freezer??
That's been changed.
Valley Station
03-21-2005, 11:10 AM
Multi,
Changed?
That's what's on Page 45 , 2004-2005 Hunting & Trapping Guide.
Multidigits
03-21-2005, 01:47 PM
Keeping raw furs has just been changed, I doubt if it's in any of the guides yet. I'll have to look at my notes to see but it has been extended. Besides, it was never enforced that anyone knows of anyway.
DW,
How can you legally hold fur in Kentucky for a one year?? Trappers may legally hold fur for 20-days after season goes out. Do you still have fur in your freezer??
I am glad someone else told you. I knew you wouldn't believe me. Yes I do still have fur.
Valley Station
03-21-2005, 04:59 PM
DW,
How do you interpret page 45 , BUYING AND SELLING FURS & HIDES , of the 2004-2005 Hunting and Trapping Guide.
"The raw furs of furbearers may be held by a trapper or hunter for 20 days and by a fur buyer for 30 days after the season closes."
grouseguy
03-21-2005, 05:09 PM
Valley,
I think you answered your own question. I'm working from memory...I don't trap so don't keep up with the specifics, but I remember the change mentioned occurring in the last year, and we are now in the 2005-06 season. I bet the new guides for this year will reflect the change.
warden310
03-21-2005, 09:39 PM
The law regarding holding raw fur throughout the entire year DID NOT PASS. It was attached to HB457, I think that's right, and it failed. The reg. about selling 20 days after the season closed is still correct.
Holding raw fur has been enforced on several cases, usually accompanying other violations.
I don't mean to pick ,but I am not interested in what you think. I am interested in what you know.
kdfwr907
03-21-2005, 10:41 PM
Below is what I found in the KAR's about trapping 'yotes....
301 KAR 3:030. Year-round season for wildlife.
Clip.....
Section 2. Year Round Seasons.
(1) A person may take coyotes, wild hogs and woodchucks year round.
(2) A person taking coyotes, wild hogs, or woodchucks, unless exempted by KRS 150.170, shall possess:
(a) A hunting license; and
301 KAR 2:251. Hunting and trapping seasons and limits for furbearers and small game.
Clip...
(c) Coyote: year round.
So, on one hand it says there is a year round season on Coyotes, but on the other hand it SPECIFIES that you must have a hunting license while taking Coyotes year round.
This is ambigious at best but, You would be in violation of the law if you had a trap set that could take anything other than coyote (Attempt to take out of season) Since I see no way to exclusively set a trap, you would have to rely on Hunting to take 'yotes outside of the trapping season.
Personally, I presently see no clear simple awnser to this question.....
Do I need a trapping license? If so please direct me to where it says so.
MD501
03-21-2005, 10:47 PM
read the whole post there is a lrc web site that says you can can trap coyotes year round like dw says not interested in what you personally think but what you know didnt read my pm before you jumped in did you
All I wanted to know is if it were legal. Opinions are nice but I like to see it in black and white.
kdfwr907
03-21-2005, 11:45 PM
YES
It is legal to take Coyotes year round.
NO
It is not legal to take, OR ATTEMPT TO TAKE furbearers out of season.
So, you can not use traps outside of furbearer season.
kdfwr907
03-21-2005, 11:59 PM
Here are the KAR's related to F&W:
http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/kar/TITLE301.HTM
Here are the KRS's related to F&W:
http://lrc.ky.gov/KRS/150-00/CHAPTER.HTM
If you want it in Black and White, here it is.
If you want to ask F&W Questions in a discussion forum, be prepared for an Interpretation.
The laws are in black and white, but they are enforced by courts in shades of gray.
This is a fact of life.
This is why Judges and Juries interpret the law, and the same crime may be dismissed in one county and heavily fined in another.
What I explained to you was the view supported by the courts in one county.
Multidigits
03-22-2005, 06:23 AM
Below is what I found in the KAR's about trapping 'yotes....
301 KAR 3:030. Year-round season for wildlife.
Clip.....
Section 2. Year Round Seasons.
(1) A person may take coyotes, wild hogs and woodchucks year round.
(2) A person taking coyotes, wild hogs, or woodchucks, unless exempted by KRS 150.170, shall possess:
(a) A hunting license; and
301 KAR 2:251. Hunting and trapping seasons and limits for furbearers and small game.
Clip...
(c) Coyote: year round.
So, on one hand it says there is a year round season on Coyotes, but on the other hand it SPECIFIES that you must have a hunting license while taking Coyotes year round.
This is ambigious at best but, You would be in violation of the law if you had a trap set that could take anything other than coyote (Attempt to take out of season) Since I see no way to exclusively set a trap, you would have to rely on Hunting to take 'yotes outside of the trapping season.
Personally, I presently see no clear simple awnser to this question.....
I'd have to disagree. You can take coyotes with a trapping license and never buy a hunting license. And it clearly states you can take by hunting or trapping coyotes year around. By the same token that you say you can't set a trap that might catch another animal, you are also saying you can't ever set a trap. It's against the law to catch deer, turkey, dogs, hawks, owls and several other species in traps, but it happens from time to time. If a person can trap year round, and the KAR says he can, then he simply has to release anything other than a coyote if he catches it, same as you would during trapping season for non-furbearing animals. I doubt that nayone cited for trapping coyotes outside of trapping season would be convicted by a judge or jury?
Strutter
03-22-2005, 07:48 AM
If someone is trapping for coyotes and they happen to catch a bobcat or some other animal that is not in season, they have poached that animal. Plain and simple. The book says you can trap and hunt coyotes year round. Anyone who can read can see that. It also states that you cannot trap or hunt animals that have a set season. So taking those facts into account, if you can guarantee you will only catch a coyote or be able to let loose an unharmed animal that has a season, you could then set traps for coyotes. If you think you may kill or injure any other type of animal besides the intended coyote, trapping would be a bad option or so it would seem to all but a few. Why would anyone want to take the chance on catching or killing another animal just to hopefully catch a coyote?
trust me
03-22-2005, 09:32 AM
DW, that's a lousy reason.
kytrapper
03-22-2005, 02:32 PM
I am president of United Trappers of Kentucky. This was one of the first things I talked to Jim Lane about and the answer is definitely yes, you can trap coyotes year round. This is new and was not in red in the guide. It always stated " hunting coyotes year round". was legal. Now they may be trapped also. I personally will not be trapping outside the furbearer season though. To the person who stated that you are poaching if you catch a fox or bobcat that is actually incorrect. Foothold traps do not kill these animals. They can be released relatively unharmed. The only worry is heat of the day in which it is easy for any animal to expire if stressed. I would liken this to catching a brook trout You have caught it but it must be released also if under 12". Many states allow trapping of coyotes year round including some of our border states. Many yote's are trapped in October for the live market but that is another can of worms in which there is much disagreement even among the ranks of trappers.
Valley Station
03-22-2005, 03:41 PM
Kytrapper,
During the summer months, do you think high per centage of the red fox,
bobcat, otter caught in a snare or leg hold trap, will die from heat stress
left in trap during the heat of the day?? I do.
Do you think many of the states trappers support year round setting of traps??
Do you think year round trapping law should be changed in Kentucky??
MD501
03-22-2005, 04:11 PM
VALLEY i believe the answers to your questions are obvious so now that this problem has been brought to our attention how do we proceed to fix it
Multidigits
03-22-2005, 04:16 PM
I'm not sure everyone would want to fix it. I know some high end hunting clubs and private hunting groups who trap coyotes all year.
MD501
03-22-2005, 04:34 PM
kinda like the x bow some will be for it some against thats what the process is for we will never please everyone i will settle for what the majority asks for
Multidigits
03-22-2005, 04:39 PM
True, the same process would apply. Draw it up and get it on the agenda. I doubt that it make much difference either way to the biologists. They seem to like coyotes more than most people do anyway.
plowboy
03-22-2005, 05:59 PM
Yall clear something up for me. Did he ask? Did he answer? Who is he? Who is sicker, yall for all these posts or me for reading them all? And I did, guess what. I still don't know.
kytrapper
03-22-2005, 06:17 PM
You are not going to see anyone trapping yotes in April-Sept to any extent. They are much different and difficult to catch in the summer. What you will see are guys catching them in Oct. for the live market before they have to deal with hunters being in the field. United Trappers of Kentucky has not discussed as a group our position on this. I will bring it up at the next meeting. Even in Oct. the yotes should be removed early morning as most trappers do anyway. Otters will not be caught in any coyote sets.
snareman
03-26-2005, 08:08 PM
310,
What's up with these hunting guides? Lotta gray area, huh? Proofreading before printing would make sense so that means it will never happen!!!
Yall clear something up for me. Did he ask? Did he answer? Who is he? Who is sicker, yall for all these posts or me for reading them all? And I did, guess what. I still don't know.
hahahah......oh boy....thats funny I don't care who you are. :D
First...I commend DW for asking and then researching (that absolutely terrible LRC site) to find the KAR regarding his question. Most wouldn't go that far and I for one think its commendable. Second....If the law is wrong here and it makes DW an evil doer...then, I suppose I too am an evil doer for legally killing deer with a firearm during season. I have never trapped, but would love to try....I know it can be cruel to some unsuspecting animals that wander in by accident....but if its sooo damaging and cruel and unusual....then make it illegal. Right now, its cruel and damaging and unusual and ILLEGAL for me to shoot a deer with a firearm in January.
And lastly.....I no longer trust the guides that I get every year and look for law changes. It may be a summary.....but summaries should summarize the law for dummies like us that just wanna be legal. OK....my 2 cents for what its worth. :)
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