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oldtimer
03-09-2005, 12:51 PM
I am going to make some points in reference to this crossbow issue. Just as a matter of reference I will mention that I spent 33 years selling archery equipment for many of the major archery manufactures and I was headquarted in Ohio in the mid 70’s when the crossbow issue came up there so believe me everything that either side has mentioned on this site and others has been said before, over and over. It was however a different world then in regards to hunting and bow hunting in particular but the issues about crossbows were really the same and the same reasoning that made Ohio approve them is what made the state of Kentucky approve them. It was a forgone conclusion before the poll and the meeting.
Crossbows will not add major influxes of new bow hunters. Most of the deer killed by the crossbow users will be killed by bow hunters that have taken up the crossbow for many reasons. There will be some people that never bow hunted that will give it a try but most of these will soon find out that it is not any easier to kill a deer with a crossbow than with a compound, it is still a very short range weapon and kills the deer with a broadhead tipped arrow. ( few deer will drop dead immediately after being hit by a crossbow bolt) They will not have the patience to hunt in that manner or to keep their equipment in shape. People that always wanted to try bow hunting but were never willing to put the effort into truly learning how will soon find out that the crossbow is not the answer to “easy” bow hunting. Good crossbows, ones that will do the job are really very expensive, more than a really good muzzleloader. Hunters that don’t have the patience and talent to wait for a killing shot and then place the arrow or bolt in the kill zone should not bow hunt or crossbow hunt. I have heard it said that crossbows will give youngsters the ability to go “bow hunting”, this is not necessarily true. Youth hunters that are not ready for hunting with a compound are also not ready for hunting with a crossbow, the issue is not being able to shoot either one but being able to do all that is necessary to make the kill in an efficient manner. A parent that would consider this is barking up the wrong tree, even if your youngster can shoot the bow reasonably well you will be looking for many wounded deer if they are not ready.
To all my fellow bow hunters out there who understand the true thrill of the hunt the crossbows are not a bad thing, just a horizontal bow. It just is not a problem, go hunting and forget about it. There has been a full season for crossbows at the Pioneer Weapons area for many years and it has never been covered up with the crossbow hunters. I will also say that the fellows that put their compounds down to hunt with the crossbow simply have made a choice, the fact is that they are probably better off with the crossbow.
Remember, that most of the crossbow hunters you will see are people that bow hunt already and have made a decision to try a crossbow. What you eventually will have is about half of the bow hunters choosing to hunt with compounds, recurve longbows etc. and the other half with crossbows. The actual real increase in bow hunter numbers over time, will be small if any at all.

hobow
03-09-2005, 07:52 PM
oldtimer. I agree with a lot of what you are saying, the point is the " less skilled" (i.e. crossbow hunters) will use the xbow as a crutch for their bowhunting incompetence. There's a lot more to bowhunting than your choice of equipment.

WildmanWilson
03-09-2005, 08:19 PM
Everyone has spoken and nothing will change....now lets let this poor tired dog go to bed.

gwhilikerz
03-09-2005, 08:22 PM
oldtimer. I agree with a lot of what you are saying, the point is the " less skilled" (i.e. crossbow hunters) will use the xbow as a crutch for their bowhunting incompetence. There's a lot more to bowhunting than your choice of equipment.
hobow the "less skilled" are already hunting. They use compounds with all kinds of aids. Now if you are saying these supposed new hunters are less of a "woodsman" than oldtimers? We all were new at one time. I agree there is a lot more to bowhunting than your choice of weapon. Thus the xbow is not a factor.

Multidigits
03-09-2005, 08:53 PM
A "bowhunter" who never can quite grasp the challenge, and ultimately buys a crossbow and takes it up because he doesn't want to quite hunting--might be the world's greates crossbow shooter. Sterotyping all poor archers or all poor x-bow shooters is not a good thing. Sure there will be some, but they will be in the same proprotion as the rest of the hunting groups.

hobow
03-09-2005, 09:01 PM
A "bowhunter" who never can quite grasp the challenge, and ultimately buys a crossbow and takes it up because he doesn't want to quite hunting--might be the world's greates crossbow shooter. Sterotyping all poor archers or all poor x-bow shooters is not a good thing. Sure there will be some, but they will be in the same proprotion as the rest of the hunting groups.

I don't agree with that.

Multidigits
03-09-2005, 09:12 PM
Disagree all you want, it's true. I've help many new archers pick up and learn to shoot over the years. It was never for the lack of devotion or practice, but some were never very good at it. On average, most could end up maing kill shots on deer size vituals in the first few hours of instruction. Most of those that couldn't had mechanical problems or didn't pay attention to good. Some didn't need to be target quality archers. They just wanted to hunt and if they passed the pie plate test, they were good to go. Some places, like Ft. Knox had profiency test before you could bowhunt. Some could never pass the course, even after many tries. Most did though, and i was never a test of their devotion to the sport. Not all archers practice hours per day like we've been lead to believe. Not all archers are dedicated archers or hunters. Some archers poach and hunt turkeys over bait. Lots more kill more than one buck and shoot turkeys without having a tag first. The simple fact is that there are some slob hunters out there--and they come in all ranks. Not all of them will be he new crossbow hunters.

hobow
03-09-2005, 09:55 PM
I agree that all will not be the new "less skilled", but there will be many.

Willie
03-10-2005, 07:51 AM
I agree that all will not be the new "less skilled", but there will be many.


Sorry, partner but you have absolutely nothing to back that up.

I can take a novice who has never shot a compound bow or a crossbow and have him shooting deer hunting accuracy in 2 hours. What they do after that is up to them.

Multi is right on in that most bowhunters are just that bowhunters. They are not archers. They use a bow just so they can go hunting at that time of the year.

Most bowhunters lay the bow down at the end of season and don’t even pick it up again until a couple weeks before the next season. Shooting a compound bow is like riding a bicycle - you get a little rusty, but you don't forget how.

Now I'm sure most folks that hang out here are died in the wool archery hunters that practice quite a bit.

BUT - there are no PRATCICE POLICE making sure that everyone who enters the woods in the fall with bow in hand are "skilled" at what they are doing.

As long as they are proficient at what they are doing it matters not how much one practices