Michael Moore Segment on Wave3? [Archive]

B.G.O. of Kentucky

02-10-2005, 08:50 AM

Anyone see it? I got a kick out of it, he is finally being shown for what he really is...a big fat hypocrit who is out for a buck and to fluff his fat ego.

More about him tonight @ 11.

Here is a bit of what was covered last night...

They had an interesting segment on Michael Moore last night. The guy doing it (Eric Flack) went to his supposed home town of Flint Michigan and found out that he wasn't from Flint but actually grew up 30 miles away in an mid to upper class part of town. The guy then found some of the people that were in Roger and Me and they were offered 100 bucks to disclose the information they had talked about in the film. One lady never worked for GM and in the movie he said she did. Moore also pulled a scholarship he had been giving out to a local school there. When the guy doing the segment drove to Moore's house to talk to him he wouldn't see him.

steelslinger

02-15-2005, 04:02 PM

Micheal Moore...makes me queasy even typing that name, Excuse me while I go puke.

Carl

02-15-2005, 05:35 PM

Michael Moore - A fat, self-promoting buffoon whose biggest goal in life is to stir up controversy and irritation with biased and inaccurate documentaries.....:mad:

B.G.O. of Kentucky

02-16-2005, 06:46 AM

Yep, that is just about exactly what they said, in so many words that is! :) Loved the segment, showed him for what he really is, a liar.

PhilpotHunter

02-16-2005, 03:40 PM

Yup, just like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O-Reilly! Bunch of damned hypocrits who like to stir up trouble with lies!!

RutNcuT

02-16-2005, 03:51 PM

Yep, I hate Moore more then anything. LoL what ever happened to "rush is right?"

perrymax

02-23-2005, 06:02 AM

Yup, just like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O-Reilly! Bunch of damned hypocrits who like to stir up trouble with lies!!

You may not like Rush or O'reilly but they aren't like M.Moore. Moore hates what America stands for. You can't be against a cause and be for the troops! M.Moore is a traitor.I watched the show. Hats of to WAVE!

elkguy

02-23-2005, 08:26 AM

What about the tens or hundreds of thousands that have joined since the Iraq war started? What about the overwhelming majority of current military members that do support our efforts and the president?

History will determine the final answer. This is really similar to the Reagan years when all the Dems and Europeans were bashing him. They were wrong then, and they have been wrong almost every time it came to military matters since WWII. Could they be wrong now?

Michael Moore has the right to say whatever he wants. We all have the right to not contribute to his wealth and to call him whatever we want to call him. The only positive roles I see him playing are to 1) remind me of why I believe what I believe and 2) his body sequesters a lot of carbon, thus helping the fight against global warming.

PhilpotHunter

02-23-2005, 09:06 AM

You can't be against a cause and be for the troops!

In the most polite and tactful way possible I will ask you this Perry, what branch of the military did you serve in? What conflict have you taken part in? And who appointed you to be the patriatism police? Just because someone doesn't believe in the cause doesn't mean they don't love this country or the troops. I think being in Iraq is a mistake and I'm pissed at Bush for LYING to the American people to get us there. But the first SOB that tries to tell me that I don't support our troops is likely to get punched clean in the mouth. I served PROUDLY in the USMC. I have BROTHERS still in the USMC, and I have watched my BROTHERS and SISTERS lose there lives in this war. I probably have more patriotism in my little toe than you do in your entire body. This whole load of shit about you either agree with Bush or your un-american goes against what America stands for in the first place.

What about the tens or hundreds of thousands that have joined since the Iraq war started?

Those that have joined the war since this started?? True patriots! Hats off to them.
But don't try to make it out like they are lining up at the recruiters offices. If you haven't noticed, they have shut the back door on most enlisted men and won't allow them to be discharged when there time is up. Do you think this is because people are lining up to go fight, or could it be because they can't get enough people to join?

Here are a few quotes from MSN:

"For the first time since 2001, the Army began the fiscal year in October with only 18.4 percent of the year's target of 80,000 active-duty recruits already in the pipeline. That amounts to less than half of last year's figure and falls well below the Army's goal of 25 percent."

"Other senior military officers have voiced similar concerns in recent days. "I anticipate that fiscal year '05 will be very challenging for both active and reserve component recruiting," Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a House Appropriations subcommittee Feb. 17. The Marine Corps fell short of its monthly recruiting quota in January for the first time in nearly a decade.
Because the Army is the main U.S. military ground force, its ability to draw recruits is critical to the nation's preparedness to fight current and future wars. The Army can sustain its ranks through retaining more experienced soldiers -- and indeed retention in 2004 was 107 percent -- but if too few young recruits sign up, the force will begin to age. Moreover, higher retention in the active-duty Army translates into a dwindling stream of recruits for the already troubled Army Guard and Reserve."

Here is the link if your interested. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7004729/

Another thought, how can you stand there and defend the whole support our troops and Bush when this is how they are treated when they return?

"Reserve recruiting will hardly be boosted by news of how shabbily some returning injured Reserve and Guard members have been treated. According to a report by the federal Government Accountability Office, seriously injured service members have been dropped off active duty status, losing not only military pay but also access to medical care. Soldiers who were called to combat from their civilian lives, served honorably and suffered serious injuries, including lost limbs, have had to live off savings, dwindling credit, family and charity while trying to navigate what the GAO calls the "convoluted and poorly defined process" for regaining military pay and benefits." Seattle Post

If you guys really want to keep talking about his like you know, go enlist, SERVE your country, then come back and we will talk. I'll respect your opinions alot more then. But until you bleed with the troops, don't pretend to know what they are thinking.

PhilpotHunter

02-23-2005, 09:13 AM

Congrats on your son getting chosen for Recon. It is the absolute best of the best and I'm sure you are proud. I spent a few weeks with recon out in California on Camp Pendleton. They are some real elite warriors. My prayers are with you son, who I consider a true brother. My prayers are also with you and your family as you deal with the stress and fears that I know you are going thru. My older brother just got back from Iraq last year, he is also a Marine, and I know how hard it is to have someone in harms way.

Semper Fi

perrymax

02-24-2005, 08:31 PM

I'm sorry, but that's pure BS!!! I personally support our troops...its not their fault they've been sent to the wrong place for the wrong reasons...they're just following orders, and as you can see, I sure don't support the cause or our current administration. How would you like to be a young twentysomething who joined the service right after 9-11 to avenge the unprovoked attack on the USA by al-Queda, only to find yourself now in Iraq fighting a war of choice that has NOTHING to do with terrorism? So if MM is a traitor by your definition, then so am I.

Feel free to have whatever opinion you want about Michael Moore...I happen to like some of his stuff, especially Faranheit(sp?) 911, but there is little difference between MM and Rush, both are fanatical blowhard hypocrits on certain subjects.

You don't support nothing but liberal propaganda and America haters. I know who these people are and the damage they do. People like this supported the troops in Vietnam to. Their ideas imbolden terrorists and get people killed. Don't you think terrorists watch CNN and cheer M.Moore? Don't you think they know they can beat us by using people like them to win politically? Jane Fonda always said she was for the troops to. You can't support our troops and fight against them at the same time.

perrymax

02-24-2005, 09:05 PM

In the most polite and tactful way possible I will ask you this Perry, what branch of the military did you serve in? What conflict have you taken part in? And who appointed you to be the patriatism police? Just because someone doesn't believe in the cause doesn't mean they don't love this country or the troops. I think being in Iraq is a mistake and I'm pissed at Bush for LYING to the American people to get us there. But the first SOB that tries to tell me that I don't support our troops is likely to get punched clean in the mouth. I served PROUDLY in the USMC. I have BROTHERS still in the USMC, and I have watched my BROTHERS and SISTERS lose there lives in this war. I probably have more patriotism in my little toe than you do in your entire body. This whole load of shit about you either agree with Bush or your un-american goes against what America stands for in the first place.

Those that have joined the war since this started?? True patriots! Hats off to them.
But don't try to make it out like they are lining up at the recruiters offices. If you haven't noticed, they have shut the back door on most enlisted men and won't allow them to be discharged when there time is up. Do you think this is because people are lining up to go fight, or could it be because they can't get enough people to join?

Here are a few quotes from MSN:

"For the first time since 2001, the Army began the fiscal year in October with only 18.4 percent of the year's target of 80,000 active-duty recruits already in the pipeline. That amounts to less than half of last year's figure and falls well below the Army's goal of 25 percent."

"Other senior military officers have voiced similar concerns in recent days. "I anticipate that fiscal year '05 will be very challenging for both active and reserve component recruiting," Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a House Appropriations subcommittee Feb. 17. The Marine Corps fell short of its monthly recruiting quota in January for the first time in nearly a decade.
Because the Army is the main U.S. military ground force, its ability to draw recruits is critical to the nation's preparedness to fight current and future wars. The Army can sustain its ranks through retaining more experienced soldiers -- and indeed retention in 2004 was 107 percent -- but if too few young recruits sign up, the force will begin to age. Moreover, higher retention in the active-duty Army translates into a dwindling stream of recruits for the already troubled Army Guard and Reserve."

Here is the link if your interested. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7004729/

Another thought, how can you stand there and defend the whole support our troops and Bush when this is how they are treated when they return?

"Reserve recruiting will hardly be boosted by news of how shabbily some returning injured Reserve and Guard members have been treated. According to a report by the federal Government Accountability Office, seriously injured service members have been dropped off active duty status, losing not only military pay but also access to medical care. Soldiers who were called to combat from their civilian lives, served honorably and suffered serious injuries, including lost limbs, have had to live off savings, dwindling credit, family and charity while trying to navigate what the GAO calls the "convoluted and poorly defined process" for regaining military pay and benefits." Seattle Post

If you guys really want to keep talking about his like you know, go enlist, SERVE your country, then come back and we will talk. I'll respect your opinions alot more then. But until you bleed with the troops, don't pretend to know what they are thinking.

In the most polite and tactful way possible I will ask you this Phil. Are you on drugs? I was on a LPH for a while carrying 2000 Marines and I never met one with your attitude. The terrorists love all the anti crap. They play it over and over on al jazera. They use it to discourage everybody else from turning the bad guys in. They say that we'll bail out and leave them. The terrorists can't beat us militarily, only politically. They try to scare people and break strong peoples will. All this anti crap makes them sit back and smile, and kill more good guys. I can give you lots of links too. There's web sites and news orginizations for anybodies opinion. Don't give the bad guys any ammo. They have plenty.

PhilpotHunter

02-25-2005, 09:06 AM

In the most polite and tactful way possible I will ask you this Phil. Are you on drugs? I was on a LPH for a while carrying 2000 Marines and I never met one with your attitude. The terrorists love all the anti crap. They play it over and over on al jazera. They use it to discourage everybody else from turning the bad guys in. They say that we'll bail out and leave them. The terrorists can't beat us militarily, only politically. They try to scare people and break strong peoples will. All this anti crap makes them sit back and smile, and kill more good guys. I can give you lots of links too. There's web sites and news orginizations for anybodies opinion. Don't give the bad guys any ammo. They have plenty.

First things first, thanks for your time serving our beautiful country. And second, its just like I said earlier....I don't agree with Bush's views, nor does GrouseGuy, so we must be un american, hell, we must be America Haters. Well, thats crap. You served this country, did you forget why? Its called FREEDOM. Take all the politics out of it and its called FREEDOM.

You know what all of this your either with us or against us is starting to sound like???? Do you remember the Nazi's?

perrymax

02-25-2005, 03:36 PM

People on the left always compare people that they disagree with to "nazis". Their arguments are valid and everybody elses are "paranoid rants."

grinder

02-27-2005, 06:10 AM

philpot, do we remember the nazi's? yes. i remember in the 1930's a fanatical little man in germany came to power and eventually took most of europe before the rest of the world finally stepped in and put a stop to it. total cost? lets see, it probably set back the human race for 100 years, and if it went unchecked for maybe 6 months longer who knows? he was close to making his own atom bomb. do you think he would practice any restraint if he had? saddam hussein was no different. all he understood was brutality and force, and i'm glad the SOB is locked up. the cost in human life has been high, but nothing like the 80,000,000 people that died as a result of world war 2. i voted for bush twice, and if i could, i'd vote for him again. don't agree with all his policies but he's a damn site better than any thing the democrats have put up against him. its sad too, i know there is a lot of good capable democrats out there, they just never seem to get nominated. i expect to get slammed back, but i just had to post.
randy grider registered republican

perrymax

02-27-2005, 08:17 AM

I'm glad I'm not the only "paranoid ranting nazi" !

PhilpotHunter

02-28-2005, 02:45 PM

saddam hussein was no different. all he understood was brutality and force, and i'm glad the SOB is locked up.

Something we agree on. I am also glad he is locked up! But here is the difference, I am upset that the "reasons" we went after him were lies. You can argue that he was evil all day long and all I'm going to do is agree, but if they want to use that argument now, why didn't they use it when they were getting support to go over there? Why did they lie about it?

I'm not on here to "slam" anyone. Just expressing my opinions.

People on the left always compare people that they disagree with to "nazis". Their arguments are valid and everybody elses are "paranoid rants."

I'm not comparing you with the Nazi's, nor do I think you are paranoid or ranting. But I'll say this, all you could do after my last response was get defense and sling mud? So when you get backed into a corner you just use childish tactics to defend your views? Let me tell you man, it worked, you have convinced me of how wrong I am! Let me go down to the courthouse and register Republican real quick!

Can you feel the sarcasm dripping out of that last one?

RutNcuT

02-28-2005, 03:06 PM

Something we agree on. I am also glad he is locked up! But here is the difference, I am upset that the "reasons" we went after him were lies.

I might be alittle behind on what you all are talking about, but I believe there were good eneough "reasons" to go get him. I know that you are going to say there was no WMD in his hands but how do you explain what he used on the khurds the he practiced genocide on, and wiped out almost the whole tribe. There is proof of WMD being used in the past. Where it is now we don't know, but what we do know is that he had his hands on it.

PhilpotHunter

02-28-2005, 03:56 PM

grinder

02-28-2005, 05:20 PM

phil, i understand you're questioning, and thats good, we are free to do so. i also had reservations when everyone else was hollering "kick his ass",but i'm convinced that bush believed there were WMD, and at the time everyone else did too. hind sight is 20/20 and you did not hear all these protests before the war, some for sure, but not near as much. its all promoted by the democratic party because a republican president did it. just like the republicans do to democrat presidents. fact is, hussein used WMD on his own people before he was trounced in desert storm. why would anyone in their right mind be convinced he would not go back to his old ways? he was beaten and humiliated in desert storm. he would not admit it, but he knew he was and resented it. he could have behaved with the inspections and kept all his power and money, but a fanatical mind does not work that way. i'm a firm beliewver in keeping homicidal maniacs put away to keep the public safe. yes you have to get messy to do it,people die, our own, and theirs. i feel like less people are dying during our stay then before, and alot of the people there are taking great risk as gov. employees,media, police, soldiers, even voters. just look at the size of the voter turnout. much better than ours and we don't have to worry about getting shot at the polls. to me this shows a nation with hope. the saddest part is more people will die, and this will go on for a long time. my stepson will be 18 in august and is allready enlisted in the marines. i'd say he has a very good chance of going, and i pray he comes home safe after doing what he feels is the right thing.

perrymax

02-28-2005, 09:42 PM

Where I live most people are registered democrat and most people support the President and the war on terrorism. It's not like only republicans support President Bush's ideas. I think the far left nuts that run the show really think most people In America agree with them. There are more democrats in America then republicans. President Bush has now won twice. Somebody must have voted for him besides republicans. Oh I forgot, he cheated.

When I was 25 I was a liberal, or I thought I was anyway. I watched mtv every day and thought I new how everything should be. Whoever didn't agree with me was ignorant. Now that I'm 40 and have a family, my ideas have changed majorly. I realized that the people I was watching on tv and the music I was listening to wasn't exactly giving me the real story. Along came the internet and Foxnews and the next thing you know, these 2 guys are calling me a "childish, paranoid ranting, nazi!"

I wish I was 25 again. I don't ever remember being called a "childish, paranoid, ranting nazi,"and I had a whole head full of hair.

perrymax

03-01-2005, 09:29 AM

Liberals are the only ones capible of thinking on their own. The rest of us dumb rednecks don't know any better. M.Moore said it best,"America is the dumbest country on earth."

PhilpotHunter

03-01-2005, 10:07 AM

Liberals are the only ones capible of thinking on their own. The rest of us dumb rednecks don't know any better. M.Moore said it best,"America is the dumbest country on earth."

Again, all you can do is sling mud and now you think you can win by playing a martyr. Well, I'll leave this thread on this note, I think its great that we live in a culture were we can all have different opinions.

I have no doubt that I will now be labeled a "left wing" nutcase, but so be it. At the end of the day I am an outdoorsman like everyone else on this site.

I also have no doubt that as soon as I stop posting perry will find it neccessary to make at least one more smart ass remark. So Perry, have your fun, but you should probably ask Foxnews or someone elses opinion before you reply, you wouldn't want to be mistaken for someone who makes his own conclusions.

Clint Daniels

03-02-2005, 06:34 PM

It's a good thing gg and pot aren't slinging mud. You people say that we can't think for ourselves, but you will believe the likes of John Kerry, Michael Moore, the hollywood left, the liberal media, the rev. Al Sharp. and the list of morally bankrupt trash could go on for days. I would follow dems. like Zell Miller but he is old school dem.. Now you got the socialist and communist disguising themselves as dem.. The great thinkers are looking to get convicted felons re-registered to vote because they know that 90+% of them are registered dems. George W. Bush will leave a legacy as GREAT OR GREATER than the late great Ronald Reagan, And once again you sour Limp wristed losser liberals will be on the wrong side of history. Which I love because it just makes that strong conservitive backbone of this COUNTRY THAT MUCH STRONGER. So please keep the Micheal Moores coming. Their will always be groups and people like Zell Miller, Swift boat vets for truth, and Dick Morris (Fahrinhype 911- Advisor to Bill (aka slick willy) Clinton) to expose these fakes for what they really are. Anyway what was this thread about? I forgot?

Clint Daniels

03-02-2005, 06:40 PM

I guess GG and Philpot draw their conclusions from first hand knowledge and don't rely on outside sources. Whoops got to run I just shat my pants because the GOP didn't tell me to go.

PhilpotHunter

03-03-2005, 01:29 PM

And once again you sour Limp wristed losser liberals will be on the wrong side of history.

Glad to know I'm talking to an intellegent person here....

Wildcat

03-03-2005, 11:28 PM

I didn't see this yeaterday, I was at the Kentucky ball game with Tennessee.

As for the so called "lies", let me ask a question. If a doctor tells you you have something and later tests prove he was wrong do you call him a lier? Do you go around telling everyone your doctor is a lier?

Every single Western intelligence agency said that Iraq has WMD. The United Nations said the same thing, John Kerry said the same thing, President Clinton said the same thing. I guess that makes them liers too, but those last three I've always known that.

The United States military did not lose Vietnam, no, it was lost here at home. Anybody that studies military strategy knows that the best way to defect an enemy is not a full frontal attack but to attack his support and supply lines then make the frontal attack. Look at the weapons and tactics, most are designed to hit behind the lines. North Veitnam was smart, they hit us behind our lines right here in America. Once the support of the people was not there history shows who won.

Speaking about history, either the left didn't watch, hear or read President Bush's speech to Congress in the days after 9/11. He said it was a war on TERRORISM. In the past 50 years a lot of Americans have died in the Middle East, killed by different terrorist organizations. What did we do? Pulled out, dropped a few bombs, fired a few missles and cried to the United Nations. What good did any of that do?

Here's some things that have happened in 3 short years that has changed the Middle East. Afghanistan, for the first time in history they had free elections. Iraq, for the first time in over 35 years they had free elections and risked their lives to vote and held up their finger to the terrorist. Libya, gave up all their hopes of building a nuclear weapon and gave all their nuclear material to the U.S. Palestine, for the first time in history had free elections that voted in a President that called for the Paiestinian terrorist to stop attacking Israel. Saudi Arabia, held local elections and said the next elections will allow for the first time in history women to vote. Egypt, Their President said that next years elections will allow other people to run for President instead of just one man like it's been for 60 years. Lebanon, the people themselves are kicking out Syria and they have already caused the man Syria forced on them as their President to leave office.

Wow, to me the Middle East sure looks different than it did a few short years ago. It seems like every Middle East country that supports terrorist has come under heavy pressure and are starting to change. There are still a few hold outs and they are finding they have fewer and fewer friends, their time will come.

Oh yea, the tread was on Michael Moore. I saw and talked to him at the Republican National Convention in New York last year. I said to him, "Your sure making a lot of money off suckers." He looked at me right in the eye and laughed.

Wildcat

03-03-2005, 11:53 PM

One more thing about Michael Moore. Most of the left wants to keep quite and for us hunters to forget, Moore made a movie " Bolwing for Columbine."

Before I say anything else, I say those kids were nuts. I've always said a person is 100% responsible for his own actions. Since they were kids and under age I also blame their parents, they are to blame for what they let their kids become. The firearms were not to blame.

The movie Bolwing for Columbine was a 100% anti gun movie. Some will try to tell you that it was just about assult rifles but it was against all firearms. Moore himself ever held up a Weatherby rifle in 30-06. As hunters we're suppose to forget about it and keep supporting Moore. Yea, right.

PhilpotHunter

03-04-2005, 11:35 AM

Clint Daniels

03-04-2005, 05:07 PM

Here is the deal. I don't come to this site to play politics. One of the reasons I actually come to this site is that for the most part people here are like me. I don't share your views and for the life of me can't begin to fathom how you all think the way you do. I am not a coward nor do I let liberals run their mouths uncontested. You guys sling just as much or more mud than anyone. It would suit me fine if not one single liberal ever picked up a gun and hunted, because in the long run the people you elect will do more harm to our great tradition than the money you spend on hunting will ever help it. It just tickles me to death to listen to you guys talk about how brilliant you are, but most of the dems. I encounter on a day to day basis are as dumb as a box of rocks. Anyhow you do your thing and I'll do mine!

Wildcat

03-04-2005, 05:17 PM

If you look back to where I joined this thread, I never said I agreed with Moore. I said that there where others on the opposite side of the fence just as bad.

I never said you agreed with Moore, I said this tread was about Moore. Like everybody else, I got sidetracked by the other posts and who started that???

Wildcat

03-04-2005, 07:39 PM

Last night it was too late and I didn't read the whole tread that much but I've gone back over it all.

Nazi's ?!?!?

Well I'll say I have heard the left call the right that. Last year during the election I visted a few left web sites and some of them did call people on the right Nazi's. I've always wondered the thinking behind that. Do they think we want to gas millions of people?? Do they think we want to make a one man rule?? Do they think we want to start WW III and kill untold millions??

Funny thing is I'll be they don't ever know what Nazi stands for.

Nationalozialis tis che Deutche Arbeiterparter

National Socialist German Workers Party

SOCIALIST!?!?!! They're calling us SOCIALIST!?!?!

No wonder people like Moore are making millions selling anything that people want to hear.

Auk1124

03-04-2005, 07:53 PM

Funny thing is I'll be they don't ever know what Nazi stands for.

Nationalozialis tis che Deutche Arbeiterparter

National Socialist German Workers Party

SOCIALIST!?!?!! They're calling us SOCIALIST!?!?!

No wonder people like Moore are making millions selling anything that people want to hear.

Well to be fair I think the term "Socialist" in the Nazi party's name had a bit different meaning and connotation in the days of Germany's Weimar Republic than it does today. My German history is rusty and I may be wrong but I think the term had more of an everday blue-collar, average Joe kind of meaning then than it does now.

And in addition to "Nazi" being bandied about in this thread I noticed "Communist" being thrown out too. I personally don't think anyone posting on here deserves either label.

Can't wait for it to get warm enough to go fishing, myself.

Clint Daniels

03-05-2005, 08:55 AM

Auk1124

03-06-2005, 09:06 AM

Well if you would have read the thread more thourghly you would have realized that nobody on this thread was called a communist or a socialist. I happen to be refering to some of the people that represent the Democratic Party at a much higher level. The universities are plagued with 10 yr. professor's who openly admit they are communist or socialist and support the democratic party. The only label I've seen applied here is the Nazi label. I understand why most of hollywood are democrat's, they play great victim's.

Oh, I read it thoroughly enough to get everyone's intent, including yours (I'm sure "sour Limp wristed losser liberals" was said with the best of intentions :rolleyes:). I don't know where these professors you are referring to are at, maybe in Berkeley or some other fairyland, but who cares? What does it matter if a few fruitcakes like Moore and some whacko sociology professors support the democratic party? The republicans have more than their share of fruitcakes too. I guess I just don't see what the big deal is about some goofball supporting whatever party he wants to (either democrat or republican), and spouting off whatever nonsense is on his mind. Seems to me thats what the first amendment is all about, and we are free to ignore whatever nutjob has a view that differs from our own.

Speaking of which, this particular nutjob is going outside, its a pretty day.

RUTNUT

03-06-2005, 10:13 PM

MICHAEL MOORE SUCKS, SOME DEMOCRATS SUCK, SOME REPUBLICANS SUCK, BUT I HUNT AND FISH SO----I-----DON'T------CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

PhilpotHunter

03-07-2005, 08:28 AM

I don't come to this site to play politics....
I don't share your views and for the life of me can't begin to fathom how you all think the way you do. I am not a coward nor do I let liberals run their mouths uncontested....
It just tickles me to death to listen to you guys talk about how brilliant you are, but most of the dems. I encounter on a day to day basis are as dumb as a box of rocks....

Seems to me this thread was at least civil until you showed up. I tell you what, for someone who didn't come to this site to play politics your doing a lousy job.

Well, I said I was leaving before and I seemed to get pulled back in. This time I'm gone. I think its safe to say I'm not going to change anyones mind nor will you change mine.

God Bless.

Wildcat

03-07-2005, 08:46 AM

MICHAEL MOORE SUCKS, SOME DEMOCRATS SUCK, SOME REPUBLICANS SUCK, BUT I HUNT AND FISH SO----I-----DON'T------CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

Everything we do when it comes to hunting and fishing is by politics?? Politics is what makes up all our hunting & fishing laws and regulations. If we didn't fight the liberal anti-gun laws you would only be able to hunt with a bow and arrow until they out lawed that. Politics decide wither the state sells or buys more WMA's. Politics decides wither we allow crossbows during archery season. Politics decides wither we put a anti-hunter in office where he pushes anti-hunting bills.

If you don't care please don't complain when a bad anit-hunting law gets passed or they close a couple WMA's to hunting or they raise prices on our hunting & fishing licenses.

RUTNUT

03-07-2005, 12:17 PM

WILDCAT LET SPLAIN SUMPTIN TO YOU. IF I AM NOT HAPPY I WILL NOTIFY THE ONES THAT MADE ME UNHAPPY AND THE ONES THAT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I WON'T GET ON A WEB SIGHT LIKE THIS AND CRY ABOUT IT FOR DAYS ON END. MY POST WAS MEANT IN JEST BUT I GUESS THERE ARE A FEW TIGHT ASS PEOPLE WHO TAKE THEM SELVES TOO SERIOUSLY TO SEE THAT.:eek: P.S. WHAT POSITION DO HOLD IN POLITICS. I RAN FOR, WON, AND HELD PUBLIC OFFICE ONCE UPON A TIME SO ALL THOSE THINGS YOU ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO ME I ALREADY KNOW. SO TAKE A DEEP BREATH THRU YOUR NOSE AND OUT THRU YOUR MOUTH IT WILL HELP CALM YOU. NOW SMILE, IT NEVER HURT ANYONE.:)

Wildcat

03-07-2005, 01:05 PM

Posting in capitals on a web talk forum is considered YELLING. So if your so uptight you have to yell and call people tight asses it's you that needs to take a deep breath and calm down. :)

I've fought gun control bills and laws all my life. I learned you let your guard down one time and boom there are new laws. Something else, if you have to complain to the ones that made you unhappy then it's too late, the law was already passed. I've never held public office but I've been working inside the Republican Party for years. I went to the last two RNC because other people wanted me there. In fact in Presidents Bush's acceptance speech, one line, one sentence, was mine. I wrote it on a party paper that worked it's way up though the racks. I also have been invited to the White House twice in the past 5 years because of my party work.

I understand most people want others to keep everything quite about any new anti-gun or anti-hunting bills until it's too late and the other people get stuck with them.

RUTNUT

03-07-2005, 03:05 PM

Yea I Know Cap Locks Means Yelling, I'm Just Too Lazy Too Keep Up With It. So You Had A Sentence In A Speech, Well There's Your 4 Seconds Of Fame. At That Rate You Will Be 300 Yrs Old To Catch Up To My Service. Take A Chill Pill Wildcat All This Is Just In Fun Unless You Really Are A Tight Ass. I Really Am Too Lazy To Keep Up With Cap Locks. Would You Want Me To Use Small Case Letters. I Won't Use Upper Case Letters At The Start Of Sentences Or Proper Names. Maybe I'll Just Keep It This Way And See How You Like Being Yelled At For A Change.;) ON THE SERIOUS SIDE, I DO MY PART FOR GUNS, WILDLIFE ETC. THAT WE ALL HOLD DEAR, I JUST DON'T GET ON FORUMS AND BELLYACHE CONSTANTLY ABOUT IT. RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP.

Wildcat

03-07-2005, 04:00 PM

If you did hold public office you learned two things. You cannot go around calling people names and be taken serious. Another thing in politics is the real work that is done is done by the staff not the office holder, he's only the front guy ever though his vote is the one that counts.

While you were in office I hope you pushed to give the people most of their own money back instead of over taxing them and also pushed to repeal the anti-firearms laws.

If your assuring me of constantly bellaching about it then you are wrong. Look at this tread and you'll see I didn't ever come on here until the 4 page.

The only thing I've ever called anyone on here was a liberal, that is a real political name. I myself am a conservative and don't mind anyone calling me that. Go back to the rules you agreed to when you signed up to this forum, there is a rule about calling people names like tight ass. Besides the community forum does say it's for politics. But then it's just proving a point I've been making on here for the past 3 years, it seems only certain people have to follow the rules and certain others don't have to and have a free ride on here.;)

Clint Daniels

03-07-2005, 04:58 PM

Well Philonpot! I went back to the begining of this thread and read it from the start just to see if it was civilized as you said. Looks to me you were the leader of this disagreement with the Rush and O'rielly statement. Which is sort of ironic that you would us O'rielly and put so much spin on things. It seems to me that a civilzed conversation would be one that you talk or type and we listen. Well I'm sure you have heard that opinions are like buttholes everybody has one, and whether you like mine or not it is mine as yours is yours. The great thing about a Democracy is that majorities rule and you my friend are not part of the majority. So you can read my post, like it or not or you can not read it, that is a Freedom as well. God Bless ya

RUTNUT

03-07-2005, 05:03 PM

WILDCAT YOU MAKE ME FEEL TIRED ALLOVER. #1 I DID NOT DIRECTLY CALL YOU A TIGHT ASS, CHECK THE POST. #2 YOU LIT IN ON ME I DID NOT LIGHT IN ON YOU. #3 THE PEOPLE WHERE I LIVED CAME TO MY HOUSE AND ASK ME TO FILL A SEAT THAT WAS BEING VACATED. I WAS INSTALLED IN THAT POSITION. I THEN RAN FOR THAT SEAT IN GENERAL ELECTION, AND WAS VOTED IN AGAIN BY PEOPLE THAT SAW I DID A GOOD JOB FOR THEM. YES I WORKED AND WAS SUCCESSFUL IN SAVING THE PEOPLE MONEY ON UTILITIES AND TAXES. #4 I RAN AND SERVED AS A REPUBLICAN AND I HAVE VOTED THE SAME MOST OF THE TIME, BUT I AM NOT SO NARROW MINDED AS TO VOTE STRICTLY ALONG PARTY LINES, I VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE I THINK WILL DO THE BEST JOB. I STAND FOR GUN OWNERS AND HUNTERS RIGHTS, ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL. I WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES TO PROTECT BOTH. I TRIED TO LIGHTEN THE BICKERING ON THIS THREAD AND YOU HAVE ATTACKED ME. UNDERSTAND THIS WILDCAT, IF A SINGLE LINE IN A SPEECH THAT 100 PEOPLE TOOK CREDIT FOR BEFOR IT GOT TO THE TOP IS THE BEST YOU CAN DO THEN TELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE, YOU HAVN'T DONE ANYTHING THAT A LOT OF OTHER GUYS ON THIS SITE HAVN'T DONE AND SOME ALOT MORE. IF YOU DON'T WANT ME ON THIS SITE THEN JUST TELL ME AND I'M GONE, THAT WAY YOU CAN DO THAT TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE YOUR WHOLE, EMPTY EMPIRE ALL BY YOURSELF. NOW RUN AND TELL THAT!!:mad:

Clint Daniels

03-07-2005, 05:29 PM

To comment on the University liberal bais. I personlly know a Professor at EKU who just 10 yr. and is one of 4 Professors there that is part of the Green Party and holds Anti-Bush rallies. Also said now that he is 10 yr. that he can say and grade any way that he sees fit. Also recent news is the Kuwait student in Cali. bay area that has been threatin by his Professor because of his Essay on America. Also the University out in Colorado that recently made the news, and many more instances involving liberal Professors. Right off hand I can't think of any Universities in the news for rogue conservative professors, But if their is I would love to know so I can keep that College in mind when it is time for my children to start College.

Clint Daniels

03-07-2005, 05:36 PM

Ye the Sour limp wristed losser liberal comment was out of line. Please forgive me.

aceoky

03-07-2005, 07:43 PM

I might be alittle behind on what you all are talking about, but I believe there were good eneough "reasons" to go get him. I know that you are going to say there was no WMD in his hands but how do you explain what he used on the khurds the he practiced genocide on, and wiped out almost the whole tribe. There is proof of WMD being used in the past. Where it is now we don't know, but what we do know is that he had his hands on it.
Well now, that's very interesting, since the WMD were first mentioned by.......(drum roll please)...Bill Clinton!!!

Let's not forget Sen Kennedy,Kerry (and many others chiming in as well:including Hillary "something must be done and soon"),.....but how soon WE forget, that Bush said it, he must have been the first???? NOT TRUE!

Also who was it that allowed the weapons inspectors to NOT be allowed to look for years? Was that Bush, I don't remember that either!

A good question was asked; just what did Saddam use on those thousands of Khurds? If not WMD??? By it's very definition a WMD can destroy mulititudes of people almost instantly(or at once, or in a matter of days with one attack)...(is that not what happened there?) ....

That being said, regardless of what you "remember" now, Saddam wasn't a "nice person"(to be polite), and the people as a whole are happy he's gone and we're there, that SHOULD speak volumes(ask if it were YOUR relatives, or yourself being "freed" from such an animal)...

IF they were lies, at least give due credit to whom it is deserved, it wasn't Bush that first said it(do the searches and see for yourselves)...

IS this the first time we went there??(Iraq?) If not who was "in charge" then? Why was that so "OK" and now it is different? At least this time something constructive is taking place, elections,no tyrant forcing HIS will , leaving most in poverty while he becomes more wealthy each day!

What we should be concerned with is the "Patriot Act" and how it can be challenged and overturned, since I have no doubt it won't hold up as being constitional since it infringes on many of the Bill of Rights(Rights not priveleges)...

I can see NO good in "fighting" and name calling as we are all hunters/sportspeople, and to that end, we should at least try to find ground in which we CAN agree, and accept the fact that we can differ and not resort to negative thinking/posting, which IMHO causes all to lose.

Politics,religion,and a spouse's apperence are all things that can cause "trouble" in many different ways, and passions often can run high, on these issues(and apparently on crossbows as well) :D

I'd like to remind everyone(including myself) that we should be looking at and focusing on the "big picture", and overlook the "small things" ????????

Just my $.02 worth(and easily worth half that)

Wildcat

03-07-2005, 07:44 PM

I did not light out on you. You said you didn't care. I just pointed out that politics has everything to do with our hunting and fishing since it's politics that sets the rules. Then you let out on me saying since you serviced in public office you knew everything about politics.

There are millions of people in the party that work either part time or full time in the party that have never held public office or gotten the attention from the President and his staff yet they still service as hard as anybody.

Here is a perfect example of misunderstanding on a webb talk forum. On a PC screen things can seem different to people than a face to face spoken word. On your very first two posts I thought you were yelling since you used all capitals. All capitals and smiles can get people mixed up, not telling people where your really going with something. You thought I was lighting out on you when I was just making a point. There would have never been any misunderstanding if we were in a group in person and could see each other and it never would have come to this. If you want to go around and beat your chest telling everyone how much better you are because you serviced in public office and that nobody can tell you anything about politics, that's your problem. I can't help that.

As for the rules. A couple years ago someone got on me and called me names which I never did. I brought up the rules asking that they be for everybody not just certain people. I'm not asking you to leave, you have just as much right as I do as long as it's within the rules.

One thing for sure, the webb has changed the way we run our politics. It used to be news bits and deals in the back room. Today everybody has a voice and can find out facts themselves instead of being fed them by elected officials and their staff. Ever small people like me.

RUTNUT

03-07-2005, 09:55 PM

WILDCAT YOU NEED TO READ MY POST SLOWER AND PAY MORE ATTENTION. I NEVER SAID I KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT POLITICS BECAUSE I HELD OFFICE. I SAID THE THINGS YOU WERE TRYING TO TELL ME ABOUT HUNTING AND GUN CONTROL I ALREADY KNEW. I DIDN'T LEARN THAT FROM PUBLIC OFFICE I LEARNED THAT FROM BEING A SPORTSMAN AND UNDERSTANDING MY RIGHTS AS SUCH. I DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF HUNTERS AND GUN OWNERS AS I HAVE STATED IN AN EARLIER POST. YOU NEED TO CHILL OUT A LITTLE AND STOP COMING DOWN ON SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY MAKE AN ATTEMPT AT HUMOR AND IT DOESN'T FALL IN LINE WITH YOUR THINKING. I SUPPORT YOUR WORK ON GUN LAWS AND HUNTERS RIGHTS BUT DON'T SHOVE IT DOWN MY THROAT THAT IS THE FASTEST WAY I KNOW TO LOSE THAT SUPPORT. NOW LOOK AT THE FACE AT THE END OF THIS SENTENCE, DOESN'T THAT LOOK A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE LAST FACE I SENT YOU.:o

BearsBud

03-09-2005, 02:24 AM

Since this thread started out being about Moore and then turned to a political slap match, I thought I would throw in my feelings and get back on track. Moore is in fact a deceitful little worm, twisting the facts to gain notoriety and cash. Those that feel he is the honorable one must have watched farenheit 911 rather than reading the 911 commission report. As a prime example, the F911 storyline says that the president didn't react and could have saved the folks in the World Trade Center, according to the timeline in the commission report, even if he had jumped up and ran out the door, there was nothing that could have been done by him. There were procedures in place and were being followed. Granted, the procedures were inadequate because they never envisioned the scope of the attacks. The bottom line is, Moore has two goals, making a buck and discrediting the administration even at the cost of the truth.

As for the war in Iraq, it doesn't matter whether we should have gone in there or not, the bottom line is, now that we are there, lets get it done and get the our kids, wives, husbands , fathers and mothers back home. This comes from a father who had his son over there for the first 11 months of the war. Mine has been in harms way and I still stand behind the need for them to be there.